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Eric Carmen
You have created both Category:Hit songs written by Eric Carmen and Category:Songs written by Eric Carmen. I have nominated the former for deletion on the grounds of the weasel word "hit" and completed the later category. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

OK that's fine. -- But that is not to say, however, that all songs may rightly be referred to as "hits." While certain songs may be immensely popular yet having never been released as charting singles, most other songs are merely album tracks.

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1RR violation at Planned Parenthood
You've violated the 1-revert restriction at Planned Parenthood. So has. I'm not going to report either of you at this point, since it would probably just result in the article being protected and end up stalling any chance of improving it for another week. But would the two of you please knock it off? In particular, you're reinserting material that you know doesn't have any support on the talk page. MastCell Talk 23:45, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * has self-reverted to comply with the 1RR restriction . Could you please do the same, as a show of good faith? I don't mean this as a threat, but given the level of disruptive edit-warring the article has seen, I will probably report you if you don't self-revert in the near future. You're welcome at the talk page, where the question of sourcing is already under active discussion. MastCell Talk 23:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

September 2011
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did at Planned Parenthood, you may be blocked from editing. Binksternet (talk) 16:07, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

My editing, including the recent one cited, is never intended to be disruptive, nor does it include original research. I seek only to be objective, and said nothing in the sentence which the other articles referenced in the paragraph did not also say. Why should it be necessary to repeat references/sources multiple times within the same paragraph??--JGabbard (talk) 19:47, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

The idea of a weak central government that had no control over the states
died with the Confederacy and was rejected by the people that drafted the Constitution of the United States. Your assertion about what the federal government was "never intended to be" is flat wrong. Factchecker atyourservice (talk) 13:26, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

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Edit warring at NTCC
You have been trying to edit war in information which 1) does not have consensus, 2) is partially false, 3) is not sourced to reliable sources. Please do not continue to edit war.  It is your job, per WP:BURDEN to gain consensus for your edits.  Please do not edit war changes into an article, but follow the process outlined in WP:BRD.  Doing otherwise is disruption of the Wikipedia process.  Be— —Critical  06:09, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Please don't make this harder than it needs to be. You have reverted a series of good faith edits, not all of which were even mine: NTCC's website updates info to 3000 members in 100 individual churches. The 1987 incorporation is corroborated by documents listed and already referenced. Ex-military students are actually closer to 90 or perhaps even 95%, hence the "over 75% of students" should be preferred over the nebulous term, "many." Pastors tithes are funneled to senior leadership along with everyone else's, and that they are changed out frequently is already referenced in the News-Tribune article, which is how NTCC "zeroes out" escrow accounts. The remainder consists of typos or inadvertent word errors, e.g., "Mike Kinson" is a confusion of two men's names. So please do tell, exactly what is left to dispute???JGabbard (talk) 13:12, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * So you knew the Kinson part wasn't right? That just happened to be what I checked.  I'm traveling right now so I don't have much time.  How about this: go ahead and put the stuff back in if you know it's accurate, but of course not the Kinson part.  Then the only other thing would be the sourcing.  I'll go look at that as soon as I have more time.  We need to have RS for most things, but the NTCC site would be okay sometimes  unless we believe they might be, for example, inflating things or spinning them some way to make themselves look good.  Best  Be— —Critical  16:35, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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References 2
May I suggest that you look to: http://eprints.ucl.ac.uk/4841/1/4841.pdf  See page 305 for prostate cancer. This reference is about as high end and peer reviewed as you can find.32cllou (talk) 16:49, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thank You
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Hi, happy new year to you. You might want to note that it's incorrect to insert a space before a citation – per Citing_sources. Also, I really can't see that a chart compiled by the likes of WLS-FM in Chicago merits inclusion in a list of an album or single's chart peaks and year-end standings. It's particularly unnecessary when we already give the song's peak and year-end positions on Billboard. Just thought I'd mention that because there's a couple of song articles I'd like to expand for Good Article status, and your addition of the WLS-FM rankings will have to go – at least, from what I can see at WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_guide and links from that guideline. Thanks, JG66 (talk) 07:32, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you too, JG: Thank you for informing me of that protocol; I was unaware of it. I have never added spaces into text, and agree with the protocol. Nonetheless, just in the chart box sections I still feel that leaving one space makes them easier to look at it because provides a less "congested" and more aesthetic appearance. However, if only for consistency's sake I will refrain from adding them. Concerning WLS-AM (aka "World's Largest Station", now WLS-FM), their music surveys are notable and should be considered worthy of inclusion because their coverage range during the 1950s through the 1980s was 38 states and most of Canada. In either case, an article's "good" status should not be predicated merely upon an additional item of information.JGabbard (talk) 20:44, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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A country is not a "Chart"
JGabbard, I'm going to continue reverting your changes at articles I've taken to GA or those that I am planning to. I mean, how on earth can naming the relevant chart (under a column headed "Chart") be considered "redundant verbiage" or "debris"? In the UK, for instance, there were at least three notable national charts during the early 1970s – NME, Melody Maker and the "official" chart, which was published in Record Mirror (although it was by no means recognised as official yet, because NME and Melody Maker were seen as more comprehensive in their methodology).

The approach I've followed when writing or rewriting articles is not only logical, in that each Chart column contains the name of a chart, but it's consistent with the approach applied by other editors at, say, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (an FA), Imagine (John Lennon song) (FA) and Abbey Road (GA). (You'll notice that a chart template appears in "Imagine", and there's an equivalent template for albums, although, like me, many others editors don't appear to like using it.) Regardless of whether there was more than a single chart within each country – and there almost always was, even in France, Holland, Italy and the like, I've recently discovered – full chart names appear in all those articles, and many more. They're Good or Featured status, meaning that, just like Back Off Boogaloo and Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth), they've all been reviewed by others, who have obviously supported the treatment given in the Charts boxes. I'm sorry to say it, but if you actually concentrated on writing a whole article – of course there's no obligation to, but if you did – perhaps you'd appreciate the time and thought that goes into making an article work from start to finish. For instance, information given in any field or column heading in an infobox, navbox or table should work with, not ignore, the wording of that heading.

Also, could I again ask you to stop introducing a space before each reference. I'm sorry if this all sounds a bit heavy-handed, it's not my usual approach. But add that to the above, and the fact that you're often citing a chart position to a less-than-reliable source (at least, for GA standard), and you add bare URLs, making no attempt to set them as tidy references – well, it's frustrating to anyone who has made the effort to improve something for GA, and has got a second (or more) pair of eyes to review each article. Thanks, JG66 (talk) 10:29, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi JG, Thanks for contacting with me with your concerns. I apologize for tampering with any of your work.  And you are free to revert whatever you please.  I make an effort to keep the chart sections easy to look at and compare.  If there is only one chart listed for a nation, I therefore prefer to hide its name behind the wikilink.  I do see fit to include an aesthetic space where characters touch, overlap, or crunch together, because there is no punctuation in chart boxes to prevent this from occurring.  However, I will be considerate of the issues you have raised, and will be more judicious with my edits and more consistently complete in my citations. - JGabbard (talk) 14:35, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Once a subheader of "Weekly singles charts" has been added, I agree that the subheader would eliminate the need to have "Singles Chart" listed on each entry. In this case, the 'redundant verbiage' would rightly apply as being unnecessary congesting debris. 204.185.18.109 (talk) 18:23, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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Chutes and ladders?
How about doing this at Spiders & Snakes (song)? "Spiders & Snakes" redirects to the song article, which has a hatnote mentioning the band article. Ok? Shenme (talk) 05:02, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

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Now that I have the German cover art undeleted, shall I remove the French cover art? German was used earlier before I replaced it with Belgian cover, which I mistaken as American one. Therefore, I'll start a fresher RFC and end the other RFC. --George Ho (talk) 21:59, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Both picture sleeves are nice, so unless we must remove the French art, let's not. Thanks, George.-JGabbard (talk) 01:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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Category:Seafaring songs
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Electric Light Orchestra
Hi, I'm TrekkiELO, please help me in my quest against Synthwave.94 who constantly reverts all of my recent edit additions for Electric Light Orchestra's Weekly Chart Performance on every single with Radio & Records entry by only saying the same ole it is an unofficial/non-notable chart without any proof to back him up when I've provided references otherwise.--TrekkiELO (talk) 02:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I will be glad to do so, Trekki. We now have consensus against him! And his Talk page reveals that he has had complaints of this very nature against him before.-JGabbard (talk) 02:20, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I did not know this, Synthwave.94 has been also specifically fighting me with Shine a Little Love that shows Radio & Records, which measures just radio airplay over sales et cetera, as the only #1 hit single for ELO ever from 1972-present on any US singles chart major or minor, then more R&R Don't Bring Me Down, Hold On Tight (Electric Light Orchestra song), Rock 'n' Roll Is King, Strange Magic, Evil Woman (Electric Light Orchestra song), Livin' Thing, Telephone Line (song), All Over the World (Electric Light Orchestra song), eventually he will move onto all of ELO's other chart singles!--TrekkiELO (talk) 03:20, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, where are you?! I'm over there all by myself arguing against him! So, IF there's now a consensus, how do we restore/revert back my edits?--TrekkiELO (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

I didn't see anything at Livin' Thing to suggest that it is a seafaring song and have consequently removed that category, which you added. Categories added to an article must be supported by the article's verifiable content. Thank you. DonIago (talk) 19:36, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Disco Duck - Forums are not RS
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Your changes at Give Me Love (and elsewhere)
JGabbard, could you please stop mucking around with song articles. I'm sorry but "mucking around" would seem to be an accurate description. I've given you the benefit of the doubt in the past, regarding your apparent obsession with adding "aesthetic spaces", removing so-called "debris" from charts sections, never failing to write "U.S." when the article's style is British English, and using unreliable sources, often formatted as bare URLs. But I'm finding it hard to see the changes you just made at "Give Me Love" as anything but obstructive. In one fell swoop, you took away countless edits I had made to improve the text with detail, and/or improving the sourcing. In another, you reinstated an external link to a site that doesn't even carry the LyricFind symbol – meaning it's a copyright violation.

I know what I'm doing, and I take a lot of pride in what I do. I took the song article to GA, and I own or have access to every single one of the sources in the article; plus I've taken part in many, many GA song reviews – so I've come to know what plenty of other editors regard as correct in these song articles. But you seem to be acting alone, without any thought for whether your personal preferences tally with anyone else's. (For instance, if it's so important to you to see a space after italicised text, why not take it up at the VIllage Pump and see if someone can design automated thin spacing in such instances?) JG66 (talk) 04:41, 8 October 2015 (UTC)


 * JG66, I apologize for the blanking at "Give Me Love" today. All I did was add columns into the chart section, and I am mystified by the collateral damage that occurred.  But how could the lyrics link be a copyright violation when the same site is used on "My Sweet Lord" & "What Is Life"??  And if I write "U.S.," it is only to identify American charts as such, having nothing to do with altering the British 'flavour' of musical articles. And 'debris' is usually just a chart box glitch, or redundant verbiage made unnecessary by a new subheading. Bare URLs simply reflect my intermediate skill level. I admire your expertise and experience. (What is "the Village Pump"??)  My efforts are only to create articles and enhance existing articles, never to annoy another editor. Peace. - JGabbard (talk) 01:25, 9 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply, and I'm sorry if my comments came across too harshly. I suppose I took it that, seeing as your Welcome to Wikipedia message is dated 2006, you must know better (certainly more experienced here than I am) and so were acting deliberately.
 * From memory, I only came across the Village Pump through a link at my Welcome message. Here's the forum. I think it could be a good idea to either set it up so that a citation number automatically shifts along slightly, to match the sloping italic text; if that's not possible, then perhaps someone could come up with a wikicode for a half-space (I'd say the width of a full space is unnecessary), which could be inserted manually. Either way, VP (technical) would seem to be the place to head first.
 * Re MetroLyrics. You're right, we link to the site at My Sweet Lord, What Is Life – and countless other song articles. But in those instances the lyrics carry the LF (LyricFind) symbol (eg My Sweet Lord, immediately after the [incorrect] songwriter and publishing credits there). There was a time when MetroLyrics carried the symbol for Give Me Love, but not any longer for some reason.
 * I think it's great that you're keen to give charts info in song articles this sort of attention, btw. I guess where you and I have clashed is that I think in terms of the full article, top to bottom, so the charts section is fairly minor, in the scheme of things. But I am looking for everything to "work". Which means (and I'm referring to times when you've removed text as "debris") if a table carries a column heading that reads "Chart", then entires in that column need to be chart names, surely, not the name of a country. I know this last issue isn't relevant to this particular situation with "Give Me Love", but I thought I'd mention it now, because it has been in the past – if not there, then at "Back Off Boogaloo", "Photograph", "Crackerbox Palace", "This Song" or somewhere else.
 * Anyway, happy editing. JG66 (talk) 07:33, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Please stop creating redirects.
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Good job
I've noticed all the good work you've done on many music related articles and I wanted to tell you to keep up with your excellent work.  Caden  cool  00:04, 16 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for the compliment, Caden! I do it because I love the music and want the great songs to have fitting tributes.  However, it certainly does seem like a thankless task at times, almost all the time really, so your very nice word of appreciation means a lot to me.JGabbard (talk) 00:39, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome JGabbard. Wikipedia is a very cold place where most editors are never thanked or even given credit for their amazing edits and hard work. I have recognized and seen your hard work and I appreciate all that you do. I am happy that we have you here and felt it was only right to thank you for all the good edits you do.  Caden  cool  00:51, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

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Please do you know an efficient Wikipedia administrator ?
Please do you know an efficient Wikipedia administrator (about stats completely out of order and Henrik "officially on strike") ? Thanks a lot. Best regards.--86.73.64.12 (talk) 13:49, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I wish I did! I use stats multiple times each day.  One administrator posted that even s/he did not know how to rectify the situation, but then removed the post. - JGabbard (talk) 18:02, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

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You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'
Hi could you add the chart boxes to the "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" article sections on Dionne Warwick, Cila Black, and Hall & Oates. I know you are good at this and it would help the article. Thanks.  Caden  cool  02:06, 20 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Sure thing, Caden! I had no clue about Cilla's international success with this record, since it didn't chart in the U.S. - JGabbard (talk) 02:45, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much JGabbard. BTW I heard Dionne's version the other day on the car radio and thought of you.  Caden  cool  02:50, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome bro. You must've been thinking of the recent song article I created for her.  I adore Dionne's music!  Karen, Barbra, Olivia, and "Miss Ross" are the only female vocalists I like as much as her. But I'd actually forgotten she even did it since I've never paid too much attention to this song and don't associate it with her. - JGabbard (talk) 03:05, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's true I was thinking of your recent song article on her which you did a good job on and I knew you liked her music a lot too so I thought of you. Thanks for all your work on the chart boxes. It made the article better. Do you know if there was a year end chart ranking for Warwick's cover?  Caden  cool  04:42, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the compliments very much. There's no official ranking for the song, but the stratified listing places it at #132. I'll go ahead and put it in, but User:Piriczki will probably just take it out.  You've probably noticed that he has been aggressively redacting some of my entries which he considers substandard. :-(   JGabbard (talk) 13:34, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks and yes I noticed. I don't understand some people around here. Best to just ignore him and focus on your good work. Btw could you add the chart boxes for the cover by Roberta Flack and Donny Hathaway? Their version is underneath the Warwick section.  Caden  cool  22:02, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

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Articles about 60s music
I enjoyed reading your article about the Grass Roots' album, Two Divided by Love and I noticed that you are interested in 60s music. I look forward to reading a lot of your articles and appreciate your interest in the music of that era. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:47, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, GP! I'm very happy that you are enjoying my work. Sometimes it seems like a thankless task, but I can go for six months with a word of encouragement.  For me, the song articles are a labor of love.  The 60s are truly hard (if not impossible) to beat!  The 70s are their only true competitor.  I like what I see on your page as well, the memorabilia as well as several intriguing articles which have caught my eye. - JGabbard (talk) 03:49, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

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Hi JGabbard. I noticed you added the infobox and image for the single Who's Sorry Now? by Connie Francis, and was wondering if you planned on adding the chart boxes for her?  Caden  cool  22:01, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, Caden! I can certainly do that. - JGabbard (talk) 00:13, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * Probably yours makes more sense, but the images are similar enough that I really have no opinion here. It sounds like the admins are being a bit hard to please, so as long as either image remains I will be happy. Thanks for asking, George. - JGabbard (talk) 21:08, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
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 * Thank you very much, Kohoutek! :-) - JGabbard (talk) 12:32, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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I didn't realize that you reinserted the Dutch front cover. I think the side label is adequate enough. There is no need to display the band themselves as the main topic is the song, not the band. Shall I remove it? If so, I guess I must take it to FFD then. --George Ho (talk) 07:54, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * George, I prefer to display the cover art as the primary photo when it exists. In lieu of that, displaying the record label is the next best thing.  Although "The Groove Line" was a bigger American hit than British hit, the cover art is European.  Therefore, since you prefer the converse I am content with that.-JGabbard (talk)

Almost forgot to ask you: are you and JG66 the same person? George Ho (talk) 07:55, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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Kent Music Report year-end charts
Hi, I just have a quick question about the year-end charts compiled by David Kent in the 1970s and 1980s: the copy of his Australian Chart Book in the British Library only has Top 25 singles and albums for each year, but I notice for some articles you've added year-end chart positions below 25... where do you get these from? I've seen top 100s listed on the forums on australian-charts.com, but I don't know where they get their positions 26 to 100 either... Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 14:15, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello Richard -- I was given text files (for '70s & '80s only) which correspond to the information on that website, but I have no better source for the data than that. I would like to identify a better source, because when I find it I will use it. I also want to expand the data for the '60s, if such is available.  I am imagining not, since Canada year-end goes back only to 1967, and New Zealand's starts at 1975.  The file I have was made available on the "Lost Pop Hits" Facebook page, where we chart geeks enjoy sharing stats along with the music. - JGabbard (talk) 14:32, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I imagine that at the time Kent published year-end top 100s each year, in his newsletter or however they were published, and the online sites have simply reprinted them, but we have no official site to refer to, just these fan pages. I just wondered if you'd had access to a better source! I guess in the book he cut them down to a top 25 for each year in order to save space.
 * I just posted on Template talk:Certification Table Entry about New Zealand charts and why the charts before May 1975 aren't reliable (they weren't based on sales) and should not be used on Wikipedia. I really don't know where any of the List of number-one singles in 19xx (New Zealand) articles come from, and if they are before 1975 they are certainly based on listener polls rather than sales and shouldn't be on Wikipedia (none of them are sourced anyway). Richard3120 (talk) 15:09, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Front covers of Shake Your Groove Thing
I see that you added the Belgian and Dutch front covers of the single. Allow me to replace them with the US side label if you don't mind? --George Ho (talk) 10:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * If you do so, I would prefer that you replace the Belgian, leaving the Dutch sleeve at the article's head. Thank you very much for asking, George. - JGabbard (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Done that, but I put the US one on the top and the Dutch one on the bottom. By the way, I invite you to WT:SONGS. --George Ho (talk) 19:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

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Adding "singles" to chart headings for songs
I've recently noticed that when adding chart information to song articles, you add the heading "Weekly singles charts". It's not necessary to specify this; it's quite clear what chart singles chart on and the cases where this would be confusing would be few and far between. It is also at odds with the naming scheme of "Year-end charts", as you don't usually specify these are "Year-end singles charts". Please consider dropping the "singles" part and just write "Weekly charts" to be consistent with other naming standards, like for album articles. Albums are overwhelmingly not specified as charting on "Weekly albums charts" on their articles. Thank you.  Ss 112  18:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Additionally, can you please not add any more individual radio station statistics for songs? You added several of Chicago radio station WLS-FM's chart positions, and this would fall under and violate WP:BADCHARTS pertaining to "one retailer", especially given as it's one city's radio station. We could cite every major city's radio station's chart; it's irrelevant and would clog charts sections up. Thank you.  Ss 112  19:41, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've seen your recent edit summary reverting another user who removed the WLS chart, and do not edit war over this; you are contravening Wikipedia policy (see WP:CHART: "Charts which rank material from a single vendor or network are generally unsuitable for inclusion in articles. They should never be placed in discography tables or tables of charts."), as it is against policy to put individual radio stations' positions on articles, regardless of how many states they reach(ed) or how big their potential audience is. Half the sites you're citing are also not reliable sources. They are logs of information located at IP addresses, and oldiesloon.com looks like a cheap blog site and not a reliable source of information. Please avoid adding this in future  Ss 112  20:39, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Ss112: I'm OK with leaving out the word "singles", although I prefer that it remain. Apparently this is a trend. However, if omitted above the box, then to be consistent it should also be excluded inside the box as well, from names of individual chart entries. I am otherwise opposed to its omission in the column header.
 * OldiesLoon is not a blog, although it is an IP address. However, U.S. Cash Box listings are also provided via IP address.
 * WLS' listings (OldiesLoon) are included only on a limited number of select entries. Being from Australia, you might not understand the rationale for the inclusion of WLS among major national and even international charts.  It is significant because it is not just an average radio station in an average city, but is the most famous radio station in the strongest music market in the world.  Being near the center of North America, its audience covered more than half the continent, and therefore was broader than the coverage of similar stations on either the East or West Coast. WLS is therefore more notable to Americans and Canadians than would be listings for national markets smaller than metro Chicago, such as Ireland, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, New Zealand, or Scandinavian nations. In short, America's immensity justifies such an exceptional inclusion, at least on a limited basis, particularly for songs which WLS popularized, such as "Please Please Me," the first Beatles song played in America. - JGabbard (talk) 00:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I understand why you're including it, but i'm following Wikipedia policy. I don't see how me being from another country prevents me from acknowledging that it was influential. I am aware of the size of the market, but it still represents a singular network/radio station, albeit a popular one. Again, I didn't come up with the rule; I'm just following what bigger sticklers for policy would be doing if the articles were recent and more widely visited. However, I don't understand the point about "more notable to Americans and Canadians than [other countries]". Wikipedia doesn't exist to solely cater to Americans and what they want to read. There's plenty on Wikipedia that concerns things the average American probably doesn't care about. Yes, sure, a lot of them are "classic" hits by American bands and songs that were big there, I get that, but international readers would be and are reading those articles too.  Ss 112  00:51, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * To clarify, even if the scope of WLS-AM's audience had been less than almost continent-wide, the size of just the Chicago market alone makes its charts at least as significant (especially to North Americans) as the charts of New Zealand or the smaller European nations might be to Australians such as yourself. Wikipedia's general policy is a good one, however, in cases such as "Please Please Me" and perhaps some others, the need for a few notable exceptions should be acknowledged, particularly when the station is mentioned in the article.
 * Sorry if I was less than clear in my earlier statement. - JGabbard (talk) 01:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Then personally, I think it should be included in prose, not chart sections, as the policy says they "should never be placed in discography tables or tables of charts" (emphasis added). I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who will take issue with this. I mean, how many other others will there be? You could make a case for all of them. If your reversions of me on "Please Please Me" alone over trivial things that are standard elsewhere are anything to go by, I really am going to disagree with there being others.  Ss 112  02:24, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, although I added extra text in between and although you may think it "looks cluttered", it's also Wikipedia policy (per WP:PAIC) that "ref tags should immediately follow the text to which the footnote applies, with no intervening space." So reverting me there is again, contravening policy. I don't think there should be any exceptions when in many other places on Wikipedia, ref tags directly follow italic text.  Ss 112  02:30, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe that the policy for references was made with prose in mind, not chart boxes. Even with italicized text, punctuation typically precedes references in prose. Punctuation, however, does not exist in chart boxes.  An aesthetic space merely serves as invisible punctuation so that characters do not overlap, which enhances the appearance of the chart boxes. Placing an extra space in prose unduly lengthens articles.  But not so with chart boxes.  So the policy is a good one, but needs to be tweaked to allow for special cases.  Rigidly following policy fails to take aesthetics into account and is a detriment to the appearance of music pages and perhaps some others. - JGabbard (talk) 02:58, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter where it is, it should be in both prose and chart sections to be consistent. I'm following policy here because you don't seem to understand this is done everywhere else on Wikipedia except on pages you're focusing on. I don't see any aesthetic issue with it; in fact, it looks aesthetically worse to me with a space. Sorry to be curt, but I don't think there's anything left to discuss because policy is on my side. IF you wish to debate the policy, appealing to me isn't the place to do it. Please don't revert my edits elsewhere over what we've discussed here; that will constitute an edit war and I've made multiple other fixes in most of my edits and haven't focused on just "smashing references up against italic text".  Ss 112  03:03, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have seen the same thing on many other pages. Yes, it is standard.  And yes, it is "technically" policy, about which I am making an assumption.  But none of that stops it from looking like crap in these instances.  And no, I will not edit war, nor am I appealing to you but just to anyone who may happen to read this exchange. The only thing I would ask of you, Ss112, is to focus on turning Wikipedia green and not red, even though it is much easier to do the latter. Good day to you. - JGabbard (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, I'm Nqr9. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Rio (song) have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. I noticed that you added a false Australian end of year chart position for for Duran Duran's "Rio" for 1982 of #134, on 26 October 2015, citing ARIA's top 50 singles of 1988 page as the reference. Firstly, the end of year charts are not calculated below #100 (or, at least only a top 100 is published). Secondly, the single peaked at #60 in Australia; it would be extremely unlikely for a single peaking that low to make the end of year chart. Thirdly, the reference you cited in no way supports the information you added to the page. Your edit appears to either have been a bizarre, careless mistake, or an act of vandalism.Nqr9 (talk) 02:36, 15 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Nqr9: Thank you for bringing that entry to my attention.  I add thousands of chart stats to Wikipedia, so it is inevitable that a glitch will occasionally occur.  I seek to use the most reliable sources I can find, and to cite them accurately.  I refer to a database file for my Australian entries, and there does appear to be a slight discrepancy with the ranking (#140 vs. #134).  However, although "Rio" was sorely underappreciated in your nation since it reached only #60, a year-end ranking does exist for that song along with other stats which may be found here:  http://australian-charts.com/forum.asp?todo=viewthread&id=40275.  (The stats for '83 appear to have been removed from the source cited.) And yes, I agree that ranking does seem quite odd, but if you take exception to it then I can only refer you to the webmaster of that site, or the original poster.-JGabbard (talk) 03:17, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. I am familiar with the site you refer to, and have seen that thread before.  A word of caution though: that user's 'next 100' charts in that thread are not official; but rather, reflect his or her individual tastes.  I know it's not immediately obvious when looking at that thread - I thought the same thing as you (that it was an official top 200 for each year) until it became glaringly obvious (i.e. due to the inclusion of some very low-charting singles, and even some singles that missed the top 100 weekly charts altogether) that it wasn't.  While there definitely is some 'official' chart information posted on that site (mosly from the site admin, username bulion), you need to always be cautious when using it as a reference.  I'm not sure if you are Australian or lived in Australia during that period, but if you were familiar with the Australian charts of that era, it would soon become obvious that this 'next 100' is not a continuation of the official chart.  But even further than that, the 'official' Kent Music Report/Australian Music Report end of year top 100 charts are somewhat not what they might appear to be either, as David Kent calculated his end of year charts from chart runs (using a points system), rather than actual sales.  So that's why, for example, "Dancing In the Dark" is ranked higher (#1) on the 1984 end of year chart than "I Just Called To Say I Love You", even though it only peaked at #5 and spent a mere 11 weeks in the top 10 (whilst the Stevie Wonder song spent 8 weeks at #1).  Unfortunately, the first sales-based end of year chart available for Australia is the ARIA top 50 end of year chart for 1988.Nqr9 (talk) 04:37, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you sharing that info, Nqr9. That explains a lot, and I will keep that in mind as I use that site. - JGabbard (talk) 04:43, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

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Please don't add redlinks to articles unless you plan to make that article right away. See WP:REDNOT. Also, please don't assume that all of my edits are just means to inflate my edit count. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:23, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * ETA: I also didn't realize that I had removed the link to Tossin' and Turnin' in the process, so I restored that. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 05:24, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your explanation, and I apologize for my assumption. As for redlinks, it is not incumbent upon the initiator of a redlink to be the creator of an article. WP:REDYES - JGabbard (talk) 14:52, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * Just as I disregard shills and sockpuppets. My opinion may not be worth anything, but I just wanted to be "Captain Obvious" and connect a few dots pointing to the elephant in the room.
 * It's fine to opine, I guess. It's up to you.Anythingyouwant (talk) 16:31, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No, these particular opinions aren't acceptable. (1) JGabbard has claimed that the murderer is a certain politician, in violation of BLP (2) JGabbard has repeatedly cast WP:ASPERSIONS at other editors. Both of these could get somebody blocked, but usually not after a number of warnings. Geogene (talk) 22:12, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the heads up, AYW. I have removed politicians' names and aspersions at other editors, as well as softened my tone. But I do not see a great need to retract my brief analysis of the irrational deletion frenzy.-JGabbard (talk) 23:53, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your rewording, Captain; feelings can run high during an election, and strong emotions in a discussion between encyclopedia editors are like a tiger in a newsroom. I agree with Anything that adjusting your tone to obey WP:AGF and ASPERSIONS is likely to inspire others to give more weight to your opinion. FourViolas (talk) 00:17, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

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JGabbard, would you be so kind as to edit your "Dispute overview", "Have you tried to resolve this previously?" and "How do you think we can help?" sections to contain a neutral description of the dispute? Phrases such as "minority obstructionist group of editors", "irrational approach" and "obstructionist tactics" do not make your case stronger. In fact, they make it weaker. A strong case focuses on what the sources say and whether the article accurately reflects what is in the sources.
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Furthermore, "They have secured a lockdown on the article for the duration of the week" is demonstrably false. I am the editor who secured a lockdown on the article. See Talk:Murder of Seth Rich. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:57, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Who you are doesn't negate the fact that this supposedly 'non-notable' article is locked down when such an action was unwarranted. I consider it an underhanded maneuver to keep the lid on a 'hot' article in need of further development. Because of the strange amount of attention it is receiving by those editors wishing to delete the article entirely, apparently the topic is of much more significance than they are willing to verbally acknowledge. - JGabbard (talk) 19:49, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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JGabbard: You wrote that I am "edit warring" at the Seth Rich article. Please review my edit history there. Your statement is false, it's a false aspersion, it's a personal attack, and I ask you to strike it through or delete it. Let's stick to clear and accurate communication as we collaborate on this article. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk  18:28, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Specifico: "Edit warring" is not the precise term I used.  Along with a couple others, I referred to you collectively as 'self-appointed guardians,' or gatekeepers, of this article, if not de facto censors, which are quite common on Wikipedia. In the past week you have logged over 200 edits on this allegedly "non-notable" article, plus dozens more on the talk page.  It must be a full-time job for you, and if so I hope they pay you well because you certainly deserve it.  But at the very least you come across as a control freak who is irrationally obsessed with restricting others' edits.  Your edits, however, are more obstructive than they are constructive.  Whether accurate or not, that is my assessment of your activity and behavior.  I do not mean it as an attack as it is only my opinion, but I'm standing by it. - JGabbard (talk) 19:20, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You wrote "2. Warn the obstructionist, self-appointed 'guardian editors' of the article (User:SPECIFICO) et al., that edit warring against the contributions of others will carry consequences" -- Now, I don't think you were suggesting you issue me an Edit Warring warning when you know I'm not edit-warring, because that would be WP:HARASSMENT and that is a no-no. Why misrepresent your own words before the ink is even dry?  SPECIFICO  talk  19:25, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not claiming you have been edit warring heretofore, but only that it has been moving in that direction because of the attempts of your group to frustrate contributing editors, control the article by minimizing its content, and to delete it entirely if possible. So if the shoe doesn't fit, then don't put it on. - JGabbard (talk) 20:04, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The direction this is moving in is toward Arbitration Enforcement. I'm tired of hearing your conspiracy theories about other editors, and you've been warned about these aspersions already. Geogene (talk) 20:27, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Geogene, I have stricken through the material to which I believe you are reacting. I will henceforth make a concerted effort to keep my feelings about other editors to myself, even on my talk page, regardless of how tempted I may be to express them.-JGabbard (talk) 21:12, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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I don't know why you insist that a "good-looking" cover serves readers better than the UK cover. The song was British, the singer was British-born, and the release was... sparse. If you insist, the French release has a title and was more successful in France. Also the same as the UK one with an addition. --George Ho (talk) 08:44, 2 November 2016 (UTC)


 * George, Usually you like label images, which mine partially contains. I prefer those picture sleeves which are both attractive and song-specific, of which the British is neither.  It really does not enhance the article being at the lead.  Although the French image is identical, it is better since at least the title is included.  The song was sorely underappreciated in the UK, so I feel that the French image should replace the British one, seeing how well it did there.  However, I still feel that the Dutch sleeve with the colorful label looks nicer at the top.JGabbard (talk) 14:06, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * What about general audiences? I don't know why you replaced the British image with the French one. If you don't want to revert back to the British one, which I feel is more fitting to Palmer's citizenry and national market, then fine. However, I reverted the image of When Doves Cry back to a standard artwork; many releases of the single did not use words on the front sleeve. George Ho (talk) 18:25, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Back to readers/audiences, readers would be misled by images, even with captions. Also, many administrators would discourage using more than one image. --George Ho (talk) 18:27, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Has the cover of Wish You Were Here (Pink Floyd album) (the album) been recognizable? George Ho (talk) 19:55, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

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Consistent addition of IP address-hosted source
I've written several edit summaries that I'm sure you've seen by now, but any more additions of an IP address-hosted source (http://50.- whatever it is), which fails WP:Reliable sources, and you will be reported. You've been doing this for years, it seems to have escaped popular notice and it's gone on long enough. Half your contributions to this site aren't even sourced, and the sources you do add are poor (namely forums and links to sites that sell a book but do not display the actual information itself) or sites anybody could have set up and that you expect other users to trust the validity of because you added it. You do realise users have been blocked on this site for less, right? I had a discussion with you earlier this year about similar content issues, and I'm not discussing this time because it is policy that users reliably source information they add to this site, the onus is on them to do that, and you continue to disregard that fundamental bit of Wikipedia. Having userboxes on your page that essentially amount to "people need to trust what Wikipedia says", as if this is an honour system, is not the way this site works, I'm afraid.  Ss 112  08:20, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


 * SS112: Thank you for your note. I appreciate your zeal for using the best sources.  However, I am not at all impressed with your tone, nor with your pushy interactions with other editors which I have noticed, as if they were paid employees.  Your choice not to become an admin was a good one.  I gladly accept constructive criticism, but no one likes immaturity and authoritarianism, which is the vibe I have felt from you from day one.  I assume good faith, work with others accordingly until I have reason to believe otherwise, thank them for the good they are doing, and highly recommend that approach.


 * Very candidly, references have been a learning experience for me. When I first began editing I seldom sourced at all, as there has always been a vast wasteland of unreferenced information on this site, particularly musical articles, so I felt justified in adding to the mix.  To me, the contribution itself was of more value than the reference, and frankly at that point in my journey I simply could not be bothered with such a thankless task. As I ramped up my editing, I started adding some bare URLs, but without attempting to scrutinize their quality.  My rationale was that even a 'poor' reference is better than no reference at all.  And only much later did I start to become aware of certain policies with regard to them, such as IP addresses (all of which have been removed from my templates, btw).


 * Almost all of my contributions now contain references, some of them even wikified, and I am focused on going back to add them in wherever they are needed. Sometimes the reliability of a source is not always clear to me, but please know that I am working with the very best information that I have found.  I am interested in using only the highest-quality sources, and will improve my templates at every opportunity to do so.  Suggestions are always welcome, even yours if offered politely. - JGabbard (talk) 15:19, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The reason I have taken the tone I have here is because months ago, I asked you to stop using lists hosted on IP addresses and sites like oldies(a)loon, which look like blogs that random people have set up, and yet you're still doing it. That discussion went nowhere, and I knew the tone you would take, and your response here simply proves it. You claim it's a learning experience, yet you're still adding sources you were informed are unreliable. There's only so many warnings a user can receive before their actions, as if they have not read what others have told them, are disruptive and administrative action has to be used against them, whether through official warnings or being reported. Continuing to add those sources indicates you don't care, and I don't feel my tone is unjustified here because your actions indicate a response of WP:IDHT. I might have assumed good faith of you months ago, but it's hard to still do this when you were already informed the sources are unreliable, yet you continue to add them.


 * As for the beginning of your message, I didn't make any personal judgement of you besides indicating that last I checked, your user page content appears to justify your sourcing actions, so doing it to me—stalking my talk page to see that another user said I should be nominated for adminship and offering that my refusal (to be nominated, mind you) is a wise one, or that you think that any of what I've done indicates "immaturity", "authoritarianism" or that the vibe you get has given you some insight into who I am—is not only ridiculous but constitutes a personal attack. I think the fact that you would feel the need to include such an insult wrapped up in your otherwise civil message says a lot more about your character than anything you might've gleaned about mine from what you can access, but sure, if that makes you feel better. I'd be a bit more restrained with what you choose to reply with in future as, whether you feel it's justified or not, this, coupled with your consistent addition of poor sources, can absolutely get you reported. I don't want to keep discussing this anyway, as this will go nowhere. You are aware that sites hosted on Geocities and on IP addresses and the like, which anybody can set up, are unreliable, so please stop adding them or it will be taken further as it will have proven that discussion, civil or not, has not stopped your unreliable sourcing. Thank you.  Ss 112  19:14, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

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Hi JG. Do you think you could add some chart boxes for Linda Ronstadt over at "The Tracks of My Tears" and at "Ooo Baby Baby"? I know you are good at this sort of thing.  Caden  cool  18:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Sure thing Caden, I'll get that done for you ASAP. And thanks for the compliment. - JGabbard (talk) 16:04, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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Kent Music Report
Hi, can you please point me to where the Kent Music Report is referred to as KMR in common usage? Things like ARIA, BMI, RPM, RIAA, etc. are all referred to by the acronym and are known by these names, but I have never seen or heard KMR used in place of the Kent Music Report. Thanks. -- Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:08, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, SCPNLW. No, not just offhand (though I'm not Australian), but I didn't invent it like the one I just coined for your lengthy name.  I saw KMR used on other articles so just started to copy it.  It provides a more consistent appearance and also helps to condense the size of the chart boxes. If acronyms are acceptable for every other grouping of words in chart names, then it makes no sense to arbitrarily exclude them for just one type of entry, especially since embedding wikilinks in the listings is standard practice. - JGabbard (talk) 01:07, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Cliff Richard edits
Hi there, thanks for your work on the numerous Cliff Richard pages! Just wondering if on the "Dreamin'" page you can please correct the reference for the Australian year-end chart? (I'm also interested to know where you found it.) I'll have a look at the other pages you edited too, if I see anythings else missing I may get back to you. Thanks again! AusChartMan (talk) 13:42, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome, and I have fixed that. Thank you for pointing it out, and also for the words of appreciation. I found that chart repository posted on the Facebook "Lost Pop Hits" page, where chart stats are often discussed along with the songs. - JGabbard (talk) 15:43, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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That Thing With Rich Appel
An editor with your experience should be beyond creating articles in mainspace which are supported by only one primary source (generally a prime target for G11 speedy deletion as an advert), no categories, and no projects on the talk page. At 137 articles created I should be asking "Why doesn't this editor have Autopatrolled already?" rather than "How do I clean this up?".

I'll move it to draftspace where you can add sources that show its notability before you move it back to mainspace again. Cabayi (talk) 07:29, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It was an overnight work in progress, started a bit too late at night. Refs, categories and content have now been added.-JGabbard (talk) 13:33, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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April 2017
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 * - Richappel is not me. I am simply a fan of the music program he hosts.  The article was created with his consent, however, giving advance notice as a courtesy. -JGabbard (talk) 15:34, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Why would you have any contact with the subject of an article, much less want their consent? It's the kind of behaviour which, if it weren't for your long track record of writing on music topics, would raise questions about WP:COI, WP:PAID and the like. Take care. Cabayi (talk) 17:35, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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Murder of Seth Rich
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File:Heaven Must Be Missing an Angel - Tavares.jpg
Hello again. At Heaven Must Be Missing an Angel, I replaced File:Heaven Must Be Missing an Angel - Tavares.jpg, which I realize is of a 1987 Belgian re-release, with one of vinyl side labels and French one uploaded in Commons. I wonder whether you are fine with that. --George Ho (talk) 18:33, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, George, and thank you for letting me know. No sir, I am not at all fine with that, and roundly disapprove of the change. I never prefer side labels or generic sleeves for the lead image when more attractive artwork is available, especially one with a photo of the artist, regardless of its nation of origin. And it just so happens that in this case, the song performed best in the low countries.  I would greatly appreciate it if you would restore the Belgian image to the lead posthaste, please. - JGabbard (talk) 19:03, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I changed back to the Belgian one. I won't consider taking it to FFD yet as it's too soon. However, usually, free content has been strongly encouraged. I left the French one remaining, just in case. --George Ho (talk) 19:43, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

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Wikiprojects
Hi. Thanks for expanding Playground in My Mind into an article. I've added   to its talk page -- would you please include appropriate WP:Wikiprojects for future articles. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 05:24, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, while I haven't paid very close attention to those tags in the past, I will look into adding them. And yes, you're welcome, "Playground" was overdue for its own article. - JGabbard (talk) 11:57, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Touch Tones in "Don't Call Us, We'll Call You"
I have performed an analysis of the song "Don't Call Us, We'll Call You" by Sugarloaf. The first set of Touch Tones (time 0:16 - 0:20) represents a telephone number of 212-765-4321. While your article states that this an unlisted number at CBS records, it seems very unlikely that this would be the case. The area code of 212 is correct for Manhattan (and consistent with the song), but the rest of the number appears to be someone simply walking down the keypad: 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. The chances of this being a real phone number are very slim (but not impossible). It should also be noted that the touch tones are about 1.6% lower than the standard DTMF frequencies, which suggests that the recording of the tones was slowed down by that amount (1.6%) when it was mixed into the song.

The second set of Touch Tones (time 2:52 - 2:56) are consistent with your article. The number being dialed is 202-456-1414, which is in fact the White House switchboard. Again, the tones are slightly lower than the standard DTMF frequencies, but in this case, the difference is about 1.0% (instead of 1.6%).

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 * Perhaps I was too hasty when I questioned the legitimacy of this phone number. I just found this on the internet which clearly shows (212) 765-4321 to be a number at Columbia Recording Studios, which is affiliated with CBS Records:  https://books.google.com/books?id=fwkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT9&lpg=PT9&dq=(212)+765-4321+cbs+records&source=bl&ots=Pmzl_LeZ8l&sig=W_qg-dRBOgu5tp3IHc7WIR-3tGE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwu8PSp-PUAhUCZCYKHXw5BXwQ6AEIJDAB#v=onepage&q=(212)%20765-4321%20cbs%20records&f=false  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arteelx (talk • contribs) 15:10, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Well either way, thank you for your research, Art.-JGabbard (talk) 02:53, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

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"Track list"
Hi, going forward, please label any track listings as "Track listing", per the WP:MOSALBUM (album style guidelines). Thanks --Jennica ✿ / talk 15:29, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Also on Jim Stafford (album) -- there are ways to do the track listing if it has two sides, and I corrected that for you. And AllMusic does not have a 10 star rating system, only five, so I don't know where you got that? And please don't use allmusic genres. that's also covered in the album guidelines. thanks again. --Jennica ✿ / talk 15:36, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for your assistance, u|Jennica. I was fully intending to upgrade the rudimentary formatting, but I've been experiencing some editing fatigue so took the day off to go jet skiing. :-)  - JGabbard (talk) 03:15, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

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Category:Gospel pop hits has been nominated for discussion
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Kent Music Report annual chart positions beyond #100
Another editor brought a recent edit of yours https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Here_Comes_the_Rain_Again&type=revision&diff=799926674&oldid=799162371 to my attention. I'm curious to know where you sourced the Australian Kent Music Report end of year chart placing of #108 from. Despite citing David Kent's chart book, it does not appear in there (this book only lists top 25 annual charts for 1970-1992 inclusive; although this chart was superseded by the ARIA chart in mid-1988). I have scans of the Kent Music Report weekly charts from the 80s, and while they do list albums/singles with "significant sales reports beyond the top 100" in them from late 1982, these are not numbered, and the annual charts do not extend beyond #100. The position you've added could be correct, even if the citation isn't, but I'm curious to know where you sourced it from.Nqr9 (talk) 06:34, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I am using a text file containing these statistics. Although I am not in possession of the ultimate source, an out of print Kent Music Report book, I have had no reason to distrust the file since it matches all available online sources which I have found. - JGabbard (talk) 12:52, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I would be curious to see the source you have (there is a link on my user page where you can email me directly, if you care to share it). I have a copy of the book in my possession - it only lists a top 25 for each year. I have scans of the weekly Kent Music Report charts from that era, and they only have a top 100.Nqr9 (talk) 15:14, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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