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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Pendyrus Male Choir


A tag has been placed on Draft:Pendyrus Male Choir, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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MfD nomination of Draft:Pendyrus Male Choir
Draft:Pendyrus Male Choir, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Pendyrus Male Choir and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Draft:Pendyrus Male Choir during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. PrussianOwl (talk) 01:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Pendyrus Male Choir


A tag has been placed on Draft:Pendyrus Male Choir requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from http://www.choeurs-union-europeenne.net/MaleVoiceChoir/pendyrus-male-choir. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

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Copyright problem: Draft:Pendyrus Male Choir
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Thank you, and please feel welcome to continue contributing to Wikipedia. Happy editing! Doug Mehus T · C  02:33, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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Regarding Pendyrus Male Choir, your draft Draft:Pendyrus Male Choir may or may not be deleted due to it being copy-pasted from a copyrighted source. In any case, Wikipedia articles are poorly made by copy pasting from a single source, and especially if from a connected source. I think the choir is notable.

A better way to start drafting is to start the drafting using exclusively independent sources. Independent secondary sources, which mean that someone independent of the choir has published qualitative commentary about the choir. I suggest two connected sentences as the minimum threshold. Afterwards, use connected sources only to reliably support the facts already mentioned by the independent sources. The scope of the article must not be allowed to be defined by a connected source. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * To add to what said, I also appreciate your good-faith declaration of a potential conflict of interest with your apparent affiliation to the choir. See my comments above whereby you may be able to license the potential copyright violation content to Wikimedia Foundation, which can be refactored and rewritten by neutral editors. As well, while you are not prohibited from editing the article, you should not define the article's scope, and I would recommend submitting edit requests via the draft's talkpage, to have another editor peer review it for neutrality and objectivity. Happy editing! Doug Mehus  T · C  00:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * As a COI editor with respect to the topic, being a member of the choir, he is welcome to edit the draft page for the article, but not edit the article when it is in mainspace. At WP:AfC, he can create his best version and see if it will be accepted.  If accepted, after that, he is supposed to be limited to making editing suggestions on the article talk page.  See Conflict of interest for details.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for clarifying. And he has declared the COI upfront, which goes a long way to establishing good-faith and rapport with editors. On that basis, I really see no reason for deleting this draft. If he doesn't reply in time, I'm hopeful that an administrator will just hide the revisions of the copyright-infringing content and other editors can take over in terms of defining the scope and rewriting the draft. We definitely should be giving this editor credit for creation, though. Doug Mehus T · C  00:24, 28 January 2020 (UTC)