User talk:JJJYYYJJJYYY

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Hello, JJJYYYJJJYYY, and welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Shalor and I work with the Wiki Education Foundation; I help support students who are editing as part of a class assignment.

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Ellen Zentner
Hi, I received a notification about your article. I have many notes for you:


 * Avoid excessive quotes. This poses many issues, one of which is copyright. Wikipedia can only use a small amount of quotes when it comes to articles and the general rule of thumb is that the quotes must be absolutely necessary to the understanding of the topic, to the point where we can't rephrase them into our own words without losing out on some major information. In most cases with biographies, quotes aren't really needed.
 * Another issue with quotes is that in many cases they can make an article seem very promotional, as quotes are a common thing that marketing people use to promote a person or topic.


 * To expand on the tone aspect brought up in the last point, be extremely careful with how you phrase things and what words you use. There are words that will seem harmless outside of Wikipedia, however on Wikipedia they're seen as subjective, promotional, and just inherently non-neutral. This is because there are a lot of words that have inherent tone with them. For example, "passion for" is a common marketing term so it's seen as promotional. The term "dominated" is another one.


 * You need to make sure to avoid too much detail in the article. By this I mean that the article is meant to be a general overview and there are a lot of things that wouldn't really be of interest as far as Wikipedia is concerned, such as the bullet points for the 2019 economic forecast and going into a lot of detail about individual research projects. Unless this is very heavily covered in independent and reliable sources, all that's needed is either a bibliography section or a short line that says that she does yearly economic forecasts. The quotes lead into this as well, as there are areas where quotes really aren't necessary, such as the awards section. Unless a certain award is particularly noteworthy and has gained a lot of coverage, the awards should be mentioned briefly or in a list.
 * The public appearances and social image section is also too much detail as far as Wikipedia is concerned. The reason for this is that it's generally assumed that a given person will appear in various places as part of their chosen career field and that if they're a public persona, they will have a social image. Unless either of these things gains a large amount of coverage beyond routine notifications that they were at a location, this type of thing is never mentioned in an article. This is typically reserved for performers, to be honest. Sometimes a major social figure can have a section on their public appearances, but it's pretty rare.
 * Basically, we want to avoid this coming across as her resume or CV, which is usually what will list a lot of detail.


 * When it comes to personal details, make sure that you have a lot of good, strong sources for this. The reason for this is that personal details pose unique issues for living people, as there's an extra emphasis on making sure that everything is accurate and correct.


 * This needs more independent, secondary reliable sources to help establish notability.

I hope this all helps - definitely let me know if you have any questions on my talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:05, 26 November 2019 (UTC)