User talk:JLRFLAZEDA

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Hello, JLRFLAZEDA, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of your recent edits to the page Cordova High School (Rancho Cordova, California) has not conformed to Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and has been or will be removed. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations that have been stated in print or on reputable websites or in other media. Always remember to provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. Wikipedia also has a related policy against including original research in articles. Additionally, all new biographies of living people must contain at least one reliable source.

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August 2015
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did at Cordova High School (Rancho Cordova, California), you may be blocked from editing. Thank you. John from Idegon (talk) 18:13, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello John. I'm sure you've noticed that I am new to wiki. More help, and less judgement, would be appreciated (since you removed all of my former updates from last week and just a few hours ago finally stated that it was due to a citing issue). Can you explain how I am to cite a letter from the school Principal? All of the new content updated is from this letter and I need to know how to properly cite it. Love thy neighbor, right?


 * Sorry you feel that I am being judgemental. You have some instructions that will help you above.  Have you read them?  To answer your question, you cannot use the principal's letter that was printed on the website.  Several reasons:


 * 1) You were copying it directly rather than paraphrasing it.  The material on the school's website is copyrighted, making your edit a copyright violation.
 * 2) The tone of your material is promotional.  We write about things here in a neutral voice.
 * 3) All material on Wikipedia must come from previously published reliable sources.  Except for the most mundane things like address, name of the principal, etc, the school is not a reliable source for information about itself.
 * 4) Lastly, when someone removes an edit you have made and leaves an explanation in the edit summary, you do not just replace it.  You go to the article's talk page and discuss it.  In this case it wouldn't have mattered, because you can't use the material you were putting in.  But if you have good sources and someone removes it, you go to the article's talk page and try to form a consensus on what should appear in the article.  That is how Wikipedia works.


 * Please read the links I have left you. Wikipedia is anything but user-friendly.  There is a steep learning curve in understanding how to do it right.  I will leave you another link below to a Q&A forum especially for new editors like yourself.  They try to answer your questions there in as simple a way as possible.  Happy editing. John from Idegon (talk) 19:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello again John. The letter from the Principal that I used was not copied from the school website, it was sent to all student body and their families. And I did paraphrase it. From my understanding, since this letter is not on the schools website, it is not copyrighted and therefore not a copyright violation. Had I been notified originally that this letter needed to be cited, I would have done so. I attempted to remove the promotional tone of the letter (even though all of the other schools in the FCUSD and elsewhere do use promotional language and wiki has not removed their content), though I will edit that more before re-posting.

I contacted wiki about how to cite the Principals letter, which does contain current and accurate information about the school, and they said that my question had been answered at the HelpDesk as follows:

There's a nice template at. I'm assuming this is aletter sent from the principal to parents or something? Not personal correspondence? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:02, 27 August 2015 (UTC) (edit conflict) JLRFLAZEDA, Wikipedia sources must be published, and must be available to a reader or editor for verification. It doesn't have to be available online, or widely. If this was part of a newsletter "published" by the school, it could be cited as such. But there should be some way for a member of the general public to obtain a copy. In any case, this would be a WP:PRIMARY source and should be used with care. It is fine for uncontroversial factual statements. It is also fine to confirm what the school's official view was on some point, or what the principal said about some issue. It is not good for any analysis, nor for establishing the facts of any controversial or contested issue. You could also use the |quote= parameter of a citation template to include a relevant excerpt of the latter in the citation. DES (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

This being the case, it seems reasonable to re-post the information citing the Principal's letter, remove whatever additional promotional language is present and go from there. I can send the content to you before I re-post so you can be sure it meets the highest standards.

Thank you for the information.

August 2015
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did at Cordova High School (Rancho Cordova, California), you may be blocked from editing. John from Idegon (talk) 21:31, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You CANNOT use a letter as a source. And the advice you got at the help desk told you that. If it isn't published, you cannot use it.  The purpose of the template you mentioned is to cite letters that are in a library or museum collection, and as such available to the general public. Please stop removing the statistical info I added.  It comes from the best possible source and is pretty much standard to include in all school articles.  You seem to be incapable of writing about your school in a neutral manner.  Perhaps you should try editing on articles you have no connection to until you can come to an understanding of our core policy WP:NPOV.John from Idegon (talk) 21:34, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Further, the information you are attempting to add is generally only going to be of interest to the school's community. In order to be included in an encyclopedia article, it must be of wide general interest.  The way you added the info, a person not in the school community would not be able to even understand it, much less find it useful. Please stop this, take your concerns to the article's talk page and discuss them there.  I fail to see how you will ever get consensus to include this stuff if the only source you have is a letter to parents from the school's principal, but it is your right to try if you wish.  However, it is not your right to continually re-add it when you have been told multiple times it is not appropriate.John from Idegon (talk) 22:02, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

If what you're saying is true, then why are both wiki pages for the other two high schools in the district (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folsom_High_School & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vista_del_Lago_High_School_(Folsom,_California) ) full of promotional language and text that is not all referenced or cited. Why is there a double standard? The info. I have presented does contain factual information about the school, not promotion, which is important to anyone wishing to know about it's academic programs, etc... I will def. pursue this with the Teahouse and the local news station so we can get to the bottom of what's really going on here.


 * WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is not an argument. And exactly what do you mean you'll pursue it with your local news station?  You have been instructed several times now on how to handle a content dispute.  You have yet to post anything on the article talk page.  And even tho you have been given instructional links it is obvious you have not read them or you would know to sign your messages here.  This is a collaberative project.  Threats will get you nowhere. John from Idegon (talk) 02:20, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

The helpful information provided on the Teahouse is much appreciated. Taking all suggestions into consideration, here is the revised update. Please advise before I repost. Thanks.JLRFLAZEDA (talk) 04:35, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Cordova High School is a public high school serving grades 9 to 12. It is in the Folsom-Cordova Unified School District and located in Rancho Cordova, California - east of Downtown Sacramento on US 50.

Academics and Student Life
Cordova High School is the home of the Lancers. In 2014, Cordova High School received the International Baccalaureate World Schools authorization for the Diploma Programme in the 11th & 12th grades. All Cordova High School 9th & 10th grade students participate in the International Baccalaureate Middle Years Programme coursework.

Cordova High School offers programs for Engineering, Visual & Performing Arts, Core Subjects and California Partnership Academies. In 2015, the campus opened a new 36,500 square foot Performing Arts Center with a 464-seat theater along with music, choir and drama classrooms.

Athletics
Cordova High Schools’ 2014 Boys Basketball team tied for the Capital Athletic League Championship Title and Wrestling won the League Championship.

Demographics
The demographic breakdown of the 1,736 students enrolled for the 2012-2013 school year was:
 * Male - 52.9%
 * Female - 47.1%
 * Native American/Alaskan - 0.6%
 * Asian/Pacific islanders - 11.8%
 * Black - 15.8%
 * Hispanic - 26.8%
 * White - 43.3%
 * Multiracial - 1.7%

Athletics

 * Chris Bosio - Former MLB pitcher for the Milwaukee Brewers and Seattle Mariners
 * Chad George - MMA fighter
 * Coye Francies - NFL cornerback for the Oakland Raiders
 * Otis Griffin - Professional boxer
 * Joe Horgan - Former MLB pitcher for the Montreal Expos and Washington Nationals
 * Geoff Jenkins - Former MLB outfielder for the Milwaukee Brewers and Philadelphia Phillies
 * Randy Lerch - Former MLB pitcher for the Philadelphia Phillies, Milwaukee Brewers, Montreal Expos, and San Francisco Giants
 * Jerry Manuel - New York Mets manager
 * Marcus McCauley - Defensive back for the Minnesota Vikings
 * Chris Nyman - Former MLB first baseman for the Chicago White Sox
 * Nyls Nyman - Brother of Chris Nyman. Former MLB outfielder for the Chicago White Sox
 * Troy Taylor - Former NFL quarterback for the New York Jets
 * Max Venable - Former MLB outfielder for the San Francisco Giants, Montreal Expos, Cincinnati Reds, and California Angels
 * Randy Veres - Former MLB pitcher for the Milwaukee Brewers, Chicago Cubs, Florida Marlins, Detroit Tigers, and Kansas City Royals
 * Seneca Wallace - NFL quarterback, currently free agent
 * Gerald Willhite - Former NFL running back for the Denver Broncos
 * Kevin Willhite - Former NFL running back for the Green Bay Packers
 * Larry Wolfe - Former MLB infielder with the Minnesota Twins and Boston Red Sox
 * Zack Andrews- American professional basketball player for the Los Angeles Lakers in the National Basketball Association (NBA)

Media and entertainment

 * Lester Holt - weekend anchor for the flagship broadcast NBC Nightly News and co-anchor of the weekend edition of Today
 * Jim Vitti - Award-winning author.
 * Neal Jimenez - Screenwriter/Director: River's Edge, The Waterdance.
 * Billy Marshall Stoneking - Well-known Australian/American poet, filmmaker, writer, script editor and film teacher/mentor.
 * Ben Huh - Owner of I Can Has Cheezburger?
 * Robbie Jones (actor). Actor. He portrays Lewis Flynn on the television show Hellcats.