User talk:JMK/Archive 1

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I was looking at Inhaca and I'm concerned because the text looks like it might be a copyright violation: it looks like it is copied out of (or closely paraphrased from) the Reader's Digest atlas you cite as a reference. Unfortunately, we can't have that kind of thing on Wikipedia: it's a legal problem. If this is not the case, good work! If so, try to write the article in your own words based on what you learned from the reference. See this page for more info. Mangojuice 18:00, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

No, fortunately the text is not copied from the atlas. JMK 18:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Good to hear! I got your email, too.  Let me know (by leaving a message on my talk page) if you want me to have a look at the article or if you have any questions.  To answer your email, yes, I think the content is fine, based on what you said.  Mangojuice 21:42, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I took a look at Inhaca just now. I reorganized it slightly and made the style more consistent with Wikipedia norms. It looks like a very decent article: much more informative, for instance, than the article on Maputo province. Anyway, the one constructive criticism I could make is that the intro was written in a style like a dictionary definition, which is not the norm on Wikipedia: mostly, articles begin with a concise sentence describing the term, rather than a list. Also, it helps to use == marks to make different sections, rather than simply bolding the text. Thanks for contributing! It looks like you're off to a great start. Mangojuice 17:58, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: 198.54.202.226
Yes, that happens when you aren't logged in. Occasionally, I notice that I'm not actually logged in when I expect to be; probably that's what happened. IP numbers are often shared by many people. Just be sure you're logged in and it won't happen. Inhaca is looking great btw. I hope you'll continue to improve articles on other African subjects: I noticed that the Maputo Province article is a pathetic stub, for instance. African subjects are a major hole in wikipedia. Mangojuice 14:02, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Blocked again
Alkivar is giving me a hard time in his actions against Crowbaaa with whom I share an IP address. JMK 09:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Unblocked, thanks
Unblocked JMK 12:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Plover
I have some doubts about the listing being changed from the taxonomic, which shows relationships, to the current verion which is based a mixture of appearance and name, and has some species left over. Related species are separated, and unrelated species like the dotterels are lumped together because they share an English name.

Also, virtually all other species lists are taxonomic, so this is an anomaly. I'm reluctant to unilaterally revert, since you have clearly put some effort into the reorganisation, but I can't see this as a step forward, and would welcome your views. jimfbleak 16:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll think about the best way to do this; although it needs to be in taxonomic order, it seems a pity to lose information, jimfbleak 18:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

3227
I'm really sorry, it's just been a mistake. I was patrolling hard, and I erroneusly reverted your edit as well as THOUSANDS of other edits (which were REAL vandalisms): slept 3 hrs. + thousands of vandalisms = mistake :P

Bye! --Emc² ( Contact me )19:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

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Re:Images
Yes you should have quoted the source of the satellite. Since you created it, you need to tell us that in your summary and licensing. When downloading images on Google Search you can put film screenshot or whatever; promotional....You can see my contributions, I download airline and airplane images along with Harry Potter and you can see how I do them. Also you might wish to put in the summary "I created this image" since the time is not really important. Let me know if you download another image and I'll see if it's done properly. C a  rm  el  apple  20:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

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Re: Xhosa wars
HI, I merged Xhosa Wars, I know I lost the edit history, but Xhosa Wars is a more specific name than Cape frontier wars, reflects the naming of othher wrs in the region (Boer Wars, Zulu Wars, also that the name that my encycolpedia uses. Thanks Samuel 22:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Your additions to 16th and 17th century articles
The Quirinal Palace is built by Pope Gregory XIII as a summer residence. Was this really one of the most important events of the 16th century? --Sean Brunnock 13:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

What exactly are you doing on the 16th and 17th century pages? --Sean Brunnock 15:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Remiges
I presume you are the same user as on the commons. Please let me or User:MeegsC know about a source. thanks. Shyamal 03:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: God's Window
Thanks, I've updated the description page! --Stephantom (talk) 18:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

South African map
By all means, point out the mistakes and I'll do my best to set them right. I may have to ask somebody else to upload the new version for me, as I'm currently working through a proxy from China, and it won't upload or download big files (I have a copy of the map with me, though; so I don't need to download it). Kelisi (talk) 13:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

South African map 2
My source showed a town called KwaZulu at that spot. Upon rechecking it, it’s still there in the source, but there is a place just to its east called Tabankulu. Do you mean to say that the former doesn’t exist? I suspect this may be the case. 'I do suspect so, because KwaZulu means land of the Zulus. For that name to exist in the middle of the land of the Xhosas, is somewhat unlikely, ever. I don't see another town on my somewhat dated but accurate maps. Tabankulu is at the exact location where you have KwaZulu, with the nearest other town, Flagstaff, much further east.'

As for the Gobbelaars, that name is already on the map for the river running just south of Oudtshoorn. Do you mean that I’ve identified the wrong river as the Gobbelaars, or were you referring to one of the two rivers that I’ve labelled Olifants? Oops! You posted that bit on my page while I was here on your page. So, putting it simply, do I call that river running by Oudtshoorn the Olifants?

-- Yes, Olifants, down to first confluence.

As for naming other rivers, perhaps you can help me with that. It’s a fairly simple process to modify the map, but I do need the information first. So, name these rivers, please (as they appear on the map):
 * 1) the little one near Springbok; Buffels
 * 2) the one that rises near Calvinia; Complicated: Hol (10km at confluence), Sout (some 50km), Doring (some 50km), Hantam (upper 50km); The name Sout, just above Lutzville may be the best option
 * 3) the one on which Clanwilliam lies; Olifants (one of three in country)
 * 4) the one that joins that one after flowing along roughly parallel to the east; Doring
 * 5) the one that rises near that last one but flows east; Touws, to the first confluence
 * 6) either of the two that rise near Sutherland and flow south; western: Groot, down to second confluence; eastern: Dwyka, down to first confluence; Around Mossel Bay to sea it is Gourits
 * 7) the one that doesn’t join any other river and seems to peter out between Calvinia and Carnarvon; 'Vis, down to the confluence with the Sak, which you show approaching from the east. The Sak continues north to some pans in the middle of the Karoo.
 * 8) the one on which Beaufort West lies; Gamka. Down to second confluence.
 * 9) the one that rises near Victoria West; Brak
 * 10) the one that empties into the sea just northeast of Cape Saint Francis; Gamtoos, but from the middle of the loop it is the Groot, to the vicinity of Willowmore, where it has another name for the upper part, Kariega. JMK (talk) 12:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) the one that joins the Orange from the south some way downstream from Bethulie; Seekoei
 * 12) the one that empties into the sea just northeast of East London; Great Kei, the tributary north of Queenstown is the Wit-Kei, and the southern the Swart-Kei, flanking Indwe is the Indwe river
 * 13) the one that joins the Orange from the south at Aliwal North; Kraai
 * 14) the one on which Standerton lies; Vaal
 * 15) the one on which Nelspruit lies; Crocodile
 * 16) the one just north of that last one; Sabie
 * 17) the one that joins the Limpopo at Musina; Sand
 * 18) the one on which Mokopane lies; Nyl, south of town. 20km north of town it becomes the Mogalakwena, up to the Limpopo.
 * 19) the one on which Thabazimbi lies; Crocodile, one of two
 * 20) the one that joins the Limpopo at the South Africa-Zimbabwe-Mozambique common point. Luvuvhu
 * 21) Just south of the above; Mphongolo
 * 22) Northern tributary of the Tugela; Buffels
 * 23) Southern tributary of the Breede; Riviersonderend
 * 24) As a matter of interest, the Nossob, although usually a dry course, turns north and has its origins just east and northeast of Windhoek, as described in the article.
 * 25) Northern tributary of Riet; Modder, southern is Riet.

I shall also have to work out just how to get the new version of the map uploaded. The proxy that I use will surely not allow it; so if possible, I shall have to upload it to a publicly accessible place for which I don't need the proxy (haven't found one yet, but I shall), and then perhaps you could download it, and then upload it to WP. Kelisi (talk) 09:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I can do that. JMK (talk) 11:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It'll take a bit longer than I expected, though. I shall have to use the computers at work for this as I've discovered that the "new and improved" Microsoft Paint on my new computer has a different way of rendering text that looks quite ghastly, and different from the original. It'll get done within a few days, though, I'm sure. Kelisi (talk) 12:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Will look up the Zimbabwean and Mozambican river names in the meantime. I feel it will be a very special map if it can show all the river names. JMK (talk) 13:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

South African map 3
Rivers
 * 1) Approaching Musina from the north; Umzingwani
 * 2) Flowing from Gaberone is; Ngotwane
 * 3) Between the Lundi and Limpopo; Mwenezi
 * 4) Northern tributary of the Shashe; Tuli
 * 5) Northern tributary of the Save on Zimbabwe border; Sabi
 * 6) Eastern tributary of the Sabi; Odzi
 * 7) Flowing from dam in Moz. on upper limit of map; Revue
 * 8) Crossing the Zim. - Botswana border is; Nata
 * 9) Flowing north of Bulawayo; Shangani
 * 10) Mbabane to Maputo; Mbuluzi
 * 11) Just north of Ermelo; Usutu
 * 12) Potchefstroom; Mooi
 * 13) Vereeniging; Suikerbosrant
 * 14) Okavango; west to east: Thaoge, Boro, Nqugha
 * 15) May be worth while adding the Fish in southern Namibia, as it includes one of the largest canyons of the world.
 * 16) Also, if you get the sources again, the Blyde, a southern tributary of the (northern) Olifants, has a significant canyon as well, and may be worth including too.

South African map 4
I see you've added another bit. I've already uploaded the modifications that you'd already mentioned. You can download the result from here:

http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/4447c2bembf308d79/bc/SouthAfricaOMC.png?bf6vNaHBrOYGn7cn

...or at least I hope you can. Let me know if there are any problems. Vet it. See if I've done everything right. Meanwhile, I'll see about putting those other things on the map that you've listed. You may want to hold off on uploading the map until I've done that. Kelisi (talk) 08:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I have a problem loading the link you show, let me know again. The added info above would be nice. JMK (talk) 14:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

There, how's that? Kelisi (talk) 02:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

South African map 5
It looks good – what I can see of it, I mean. The proxy won't let me download the full-size version (nor even the preview on the image page). What is the Fish's tributary called?

Also, if it's within your power, do you think you could move the name Namibia to a more central location? I stuck it up there to make way for the rivers, which I pasted on from another WP map and I had meant to move it to a more sensible spot, but forgot. Kelisi (talk) 10:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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Order disambiguation page
Disambigutation pages are not the same as article pages. In an article page there is the option of hiding the real name of the linked page, so that the meaning of the text is not distorted. It is possible to use the reference to redirect people to more information in a related article.

In disambiguation pages the information is just listing the real pages that hold the information. Disambiguation pages are used to clean-up pages that link to the disambiguation page accidently. It is easier in the clean-up process to copy the whole link in the page and the links need to be openly displayed.

In lots of articles people bracket "order" as though there is just one definition of that word (the maths and biology areas are particularly bad at this). In any particular context that is correct, there is one article that relates to that use of the word. The reason I removed the redirections in the disambiguation page is so that I can find, copy and use the right article page for each article.

MOS:DAB explains the purpose and the intention of disambiguation pages. In the page for "order" there are too many links. The only links that should be there are for the correct article pages. I was going to fix up the "lost articles" (i.e. articles point to this disambig page) first and then go through and tidy up the page itself. Stellar (talk) 04:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

In order 2
JMK - this is a shared resource. I hope we share the understanding. Thank you for taking the comments well. Stellar (talk) 11:21, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

List of Orders
The idea of creating a new list page that is about the different ways "order" is used, is interesting. There does need to be an article page whose function is to list and identify that there are multiple occasions when "order" is the appropriate word, and explains the usages for different categories and their similarity and differences. The "order" page itself, as is, does need to be kept as a simple disambiguation page and should be just dot points that relate to the different articles.

If you start the page I can help with it? I will try and make some time soon if you are interested in doing this. Stellar (talk) 08:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)