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Ready for review Draft:Ukrainian Hydrometeorological Center
I've rewritten the entry for the Ukrainian Hydrometeorological Center and added few links. The entry is now waiting a review. Could you please do the review? This is a page about the national meteorological and Ukrainian government organization. Sinestro (talk) 14:42, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I have declined your draft, and left a comment there. Please read it. JML1148 (talk &#124; contribs) 02:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your time.
 * """ All of the sources appear to be passing mentions. I can't read the Verkhovna Rada source due to language issues, however we do need multiple sources, and all we have now is (possibly) one source.
 * I'm flabbergasted about this decision.
 * First of all, Ukrainian Hydrometeorological Center on the citation 3: Ukraine -> Institutional Information -> All Information -> Part 1 (NMS Mandate and Planning) -> 1.1 Title of the National Meteorological or Hydrometeorological Service (NMS): Ukrainian Hydrometeorological Center
 * https://community.wmo.int/en/members/ukr
 * World Meteorological Organization (WMO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations. This reference alone should suffice, in my opinion. I decline to accept that Wikipedia doesn't accept UN as a credible source.
 * I accept that this mention was hard to find. Here, the Ukrainian Hydrometeorological Center is mentioned at the United Nations website:
 * https://www.unccd.int/resources/knowledge-sharing-system/ukrainian-hydrometeorological-center
 * Some other references:
 * https://www.danubecommission.org/dc/en/useful-links/national-meteorological-and-hydrometeorological-services/
 * https://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/news/5Svxu7C3wDER5Hn41PLF51
 * https://en.ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/news/2uCmjXgiRsaXf85TCM4Aj9
 * https://doi.org/10.3997/2214-4609.2022580097
 * https://mediacenter.org.ua/ukrainian-hydrometeorological-center-increase-in-water-levels-is-possible-in-eastern-regions-of-ukraine-due-to-forecasted-precipitation/
 * https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-release-forecast-spread-radiation-184300641.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIT1liIMJ3qyf1MSP262fEsANX1DmgMEc6tbIFYzuZXV6d8p26GJN4yYYaKYSY33msnHd5M863s5FJ5gKZ0KIa3mVMnMoPrAOMahkdHvhMKNFhGw98vHog1LGGvF-mQ9Jv08RKr_UPu0fltWqvgK06xLhPBBZaEkJpj52INmUMY4
 * https://babel.ua/en/news/90467-the-ukrainian-hydrometeorological-center-warned-of-possible-flooding-in-two-regions-due-to-the-overflow-of-the-desna-river
 * https://www.saveecobot.com/us/platform/meteo_gov_ua
 * Looking forward to your reply. Sinestro (talk) 07:28, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The decline was not about notability. Instead, it was about the fact that the sources only had passing mentions, that is, they did not mention the organisation enough to establish notability. This is better explained in WP:SIGCOV. I'll have a look at the sources you have provided shortly. JML1148 ( talk &#124; contribs ) 07:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I've had a look through the sources that you have provided, and I'm not certain. The sources fail WP:SIGCOV mostly because they are either passing mentions or are related to the subject - either written by the centre, are reports of which the centre is a source for, or written by partners of it (e.g. the Finnish sources). However, because of the Verkhovna Rada and Earthdoc sources, I'm not to the point that I would accept it, but not to the point that I would decline. I think a more experienced editor would be in a better place to review it. I can advise you to find additional sourcing (preferably news reports) and add it to the article, along with the sources you have linked above. JML1148 ( talk &#124; contribs ) 11:10, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ::: thank you for your explanations. I still fail to understand the criteria. Would you consider this source significant, independent, Reliable and secondary?
 * https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/weather_factor_in_ukraine_war_how_military_meteorologists_help_the_ukrainian_forces_destroy_russians-5381.html
 * Why do you consider articles from the Finnish Meteorological Institute a partner? What is the definition of the partnership: apart from having "meteorology" in the name?
 * Here is my application of the four criteria from WP:NCORP:
 * significant? - yes, it contain significant coverage addressing the subject of the article directly and in depth. There are several articles that talk about UHMC
 * independent? - yes, it is completely independent of the article subject. it is an independent source, located in another western country, Finland.
 * Reliable?   - yes, it meets the standard for being a reliable source. it is a respected institution, with many articles and mentions online.
 * secondary   - yes, it has no connection to UHMC.
 * By the same merit, WMO publications also correspond these four criteria. There are a number of the ukrainian sources that talk about Ukrainian Meteorological Center. It is not forbidden to cite non-English articles, but I haven't included them. As a last resort argument, when I open a list of List_of_meteorology_institutions, literally half of them have only one or two references, why apply different standards to this article? I believe it correspond now the minimum criteria, and I'm sure once this article is published it will be improved by other people. Sinestro (talk) 13:41, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * If there are Ukrainian sources, certainly add them to the article. I wouldn't be surprised if they are a better quality in terms of independence than the English-language sources. I think you need to expand the article using the sources you have found, and submit it. Regarding other meteorology institutions, there may be some articles that don't meet out notability guidelines. I'll look into that. JML1148 ( talk &#124; contribs ) 23:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

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Steve Barry (musician)
Hi there,

Article subject has received two major awards in Australian music (cited) and released many albums (cited by publication). Also holds an academic post. Notability is thereby established I suggest. Walton22 (talk) 02:20, 17 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The issue with your article is that all of the sources are related to the subject, failing WP:SIGCOV. Albums aren't a gauge for notability, and the awards don't amount to anything that would pass WP:MUSICBIO. JML1148 (talk &#124; contribs) 02:28, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll improve. Give me a few minutes Walton22 (talk) 02:33, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Added more notability to lede. Australian musician collaborating with esteemed USA drummer receives favourable review in UK magazine. Walton22 (talk) 02:41, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @JML1148 OK now? Walton22 (talk) 02:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced. WP:GNG requires multiple sources that meet its criteria, of which we have one that is tenuous. It's a review of an album that he created with other people. Ideally, we'd have 2-3 reliable sources that address Barry himself, and not his music. JML1148 (talk &#124; contribs) 02:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll improve it. Walton22 (talk) 02:50, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @JML1148 I've added Sydney Morning Herald coverage now. I think that's surely enough! Walton22 (talk) 03:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @JML1148 ...and another one Walton22 (talk) 03:23, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the additional sources. I think there is a pretty good amount of sourcing, however I could see people objecting to that, so I'll leave it to another reviewer to have a look at it. JML1148 (talk &#124; contribs) 03:25, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Walton22: I'm not sure what's objectionable still. Tbh, I can't credit "Ideally, we'd have 2-3 reliable sources that address Barry himself, and not his music." Why not his music? Details of his personal life are surely not required? I can't see that a review in Jazzwise magazine is "tenuous' (read their WP entry) and I fail to see why "created with other people" is a downside, particularly when they're notable themselves as in Eric Harland. Walton22 (talk) 03:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Of the sources that are independent, one is an interview (fails WP:SIGCOV) and the others are reviews that give no biographical detail. The SMH review is also pretty short. I am unsure, so I am handing it to another reviewer. JML1148 (talk &#124; contribs) 03:45, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @JML1148 Ok, thanks for clarifying. I have added an external link to independent biography. Walton22 (talk) 03:56, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @JML1148, note there is also a biography at his cited University of Sydney staff profile Walton22 (talk) 04:01, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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Hello My Uncle just turned 100 years old on December 17. 2022 he was a Marine who was in Okinawa in 1945 --Vince45blue (talk) 03:38, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! I am assuming you want to add your uncle to List of last surviving World War II veterans. To do so, you'll have to have a reliable source, such as a newspaper mention, supporting your claim. From looking at the page, your uncle will need a "claim to fame", like the ones in the "Notability" section of the list. JML1148 ( talk &#124; contribs ) 04:10, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, I am Eddi Ameur inventor of the Orchid Potato Fries.

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Could I inquire your assistance?

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 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Your creation of this product means you have a conflict of interest. You are strongly discouraged from writing an article with a conflict of interest. If you decide to do so, you must declare it on your user page and abide by Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, specifically the one on spam. THis is the main reason that your first draft on your user page was speedily deleted. JML1148 ( talk &#124; contribs ) 03:38, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

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Hello - I have expanded this article and added 11 reliable sources. Please review your vote at Articles for deletion/Isn't It Now?. Thanks! --  BRIAN  0918 16:35, 26 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I've changed my !vote to keep. Thanks for the heads up. JML1148 ( talk &#124; contribs ) 04:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

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 * Very interesting (and also somewhat sad) read. Thanks for the heads up. I had hoped that MaxnaCarta would be able to finally turn around Jack's disruptive conduct, but to see them denounce him in such strong terms is sad. JML1148 ( talk &#124; contribs ) 04:29, 27 July 2023 (UTC)