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I have been tarting up the article House of Baux. It appears that on 3 February 2012 you copied a table into the article from French Wikipedia. As far as I can tell the original was created by User:Furmeyer back  on 38 January 2008 for an article called fr:Liste des seigneurs des Baux.

Three points:
 * 1) Please read the guideline Copying within Wikipedia on how to attribute text.
 * 2) If the foreign language Wikiepdia does not contain adequate levels of inline citations, then the text is going to fail the English language levels of OR, so don't copy it into the English language version.
 * 3) If you copy text from another language Wikiepdia please translate it. In the case of the copy you made of from fr:Liste des seigneurs des Baux you did not translate the citation and you left lots of links to the French article in the text. It is generally considered a bad idea to do that as red links inform editors that more articles need to be written. If someone wants to follow the links in another language they can always go to the left of the window and select the language they wish to follow. -- PBS (talk) 15:49, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks -- PBS (talk) 20:47, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I put the footnotes where they were in the text using "group=lower-alpha" and list defined references (LDRs) simply because it was the easiest way to place what was already there into a reftag structure without a large change to the text. I have now moved them down to the ==Notes== section, but we can move them back up if you prefer the former location.

I am not exactly clear what it is that you would like some help with (although I appreciate that ref tags pairs, LDRs and citation templates are very confusing the first few times one uses them -- You might like to read Help:Footnote -- but as you say it is often easier to understand what is happening if one can see an example one is working on. So can we start with this citation:
 * "The first Count of Les Baux, whose name alone we know, was Leibulf, whose son Pons, or Poncius, owned large lands in Argence Old Provence - Page 127, de Theodore Andrea Cook - 1905"

What is the full citation to Cook? (book title, volume (if more than one) and publisher)-- PBS (talk) 22:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC) JMvanDijk (talk) 21:15, 12 September 2012 (UTC)don't have this one. This was posted on the French Wikipedia, but the French author.

Did a search on the internet, here is the citation: Twenty-five great houses of France; the story of the noblest French chateaux, by Sir Theodore Andrea Cook ... with an introduction by W.H. Ward ... Author/Creator: Cook, Theodore Andrea, Sir, 1867-1928. Language: English Imprint: London, Offices of "Country Life" [etc.]; New York, C. Scribner's Sons [1905] Format: Book xl, 436 p. mounted front., illus. 40 cm. Contributor:Ward, William Henry, 1865-1924.

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Re NYPD shields
I think a separate column with all the shieldsat the same size (say 200px) would look best. But we need to find free ot fair use images of all the shields for I really to work. Otherwise it's just a largely empty column that doesn't really add anything. oknazevad (talk) 00:14, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't think those would work; the site seems to be a replica seller, so those images are probably ones they took of their replicas, which would be copyrighted by them automatically. Not to mention the dodginess of such an enterprise in the first place; the designs are subject to various laws regarding counterfeits and impersonating officers, so we may just have to forgo the addition of shields (plus some of those sheilds are pure fiction, based on my research). oknazevad (talk) 22:45, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

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 * Kings of Greece, and eventually Kings of Great Britian. There is a clickable version, in French,  :fr:Maison d'Oldenbourg|here

House of Oldenburg
Hi JMvanDiyk, how are you? I have re-reverted the addition of that genealogical tree on the House of Oldenburg article. The article discusses the agnatic descendants of the house (which solely constitute its members). If you would like to included that tree, can we edit out the Danish crown prince, his brother, and their children because they are not members of the house? Thank you! Seven Letters 19:58, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

These are all of the descendants that are seen by the law of their land, common practice and tradition to be descendants of the house of Oldenburg and its cadet the house of Glucksborg (i.e. the Danish Crown Prince) and other cadets (i.e. the Romanovs, who no one in Russai calls Oldenburg, but the way). I am not interested in having a pedantic discussion on what is or is not in a theoretical world considered an 'agnatic' descedant. For example, if you ask a Dane on the street who is their royal house, they will (I don't have another more tactful way to put this)say the Huset Glucksborg, and if you mention Montpezant, they will likely give you a rude comment about "Henri" (my Danish mother-in-law's comment, but its pretty general there). There is minimal respect for him in Denmark. Similarly, if you ask a Brit who is their royal house, they will say "Windsor", and stare at you in the face blankly (again, apologies for being tactless)if you mention Philip's house of Oldenburg. Most are too young to remember him as Greek prince at all. They think of him as a "Mountbatten", i.e. Lord Louis' nephew. So, your point, while correct in theory, does not follow the law or customs of the lands where the Oldenburgs reign, and is really only important to a few scholars in the world. Having retired from a previous career as a scholar, I'm not interested in engaging in a pedantic discussion of 'agnastism'. If its really important to you not to have a chart that shows the genealogical relationships between a family whose main claim to fame is their genealogy, then so be it. Sorry to be blunt. I had this same argument with the house of Windsor folks, and it just gave me a headache and wasted my time.

List of A Song of Ice and Fire characters
Hi JMvanDijk, thank you for the family trees, e.g. the one of the Arryn, I suppose that the curly brackets "{}" mean "Lord" or "King", but I m not sure. What do you think about making the names bold instead? thats more clear in my view, isn't it? --W like wiki (talk) 02:59, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If you feel that is necessary, no problems. JMvanDijk (talk) 13:58, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * ***Uniforms and insignia of the Sturmabteilung

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Hi, just a quick explanation. I wasn't trying to be pedantic about not including certain arms; there is a separate article for the House of Battenberg. The Mountbattens are Battenbergs who changed their surname following George V's 1917 order in council. Any Battenbergs who died or married before 1917 never became Mountbattens.

I think the inclusion of Louise, however, is correct and I missed her when I started the section. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding about my intentions. Sotakeit (talk) 18:05, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

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On 5 June 2017‎ you made a series of edits to the article House of York in which you copied text from other Wikipedia articles. In doing so you failed to attribute the source of the text as layout in "Copying within Wikipedia" and as such you were/are breach of copyright.

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How did I spot this? Well look at the references section of the version before you edited "Revision 03:56, 4 June 2017‎ by 186.220.106.58" and the references section after you had edited "Revision  17:45, 7 June 2017 by JMvanDijk". Before you edited all the inline citations were long ones. You addition added lots of short citations without a long citation to back them up. As "Copying within Wikipedia" notes in the section "Other reasons for attributing text" "If text with one or more short citations is copied from one or more parent articles into a child article, but the corresponding full reference in the parent's references section are not copied across, without appropriate attribution as specified below, it can be difficult to identify the full reference needed to support the short citations (see here for an example)."

This is exactly the mess you have caused to be created in that article. I can identify (using a text search) at least one of the articles from which you copied text "List of coats of arms of the House of Plantagenet", and it looks as if there were others. To fix your copyright violation you need to edit the article "House of York" and add comments stating what you copied from where and when you did it. The simplest way to do this is to delete the copied sections and then add them back in stating where they originated.

The second thing you need to do is copy the missing long citations into a references/sources section so that the short citations are meaningful.

If you have carried out any other copies from one article to another and have not stated when and where you made the copies you need to go back to those articles and fix the copyright violation.

There is a whole team of people who dedicated a lot of time to fixing copyright violations and although copying within Wikipedia is quite a common mistake for unaware editors to make, if they have done it a lot and do not rectify their errors with appropriate retrospective attribution or they persist on making copies in the future then adminstrative action may be taken (see Copyright problems).

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 * All I see wrong here is a broken link, so I'm struggling to see your point. I'm happy to fix that broken reference link.  However, the references are in a short format but one that the citation page from Wikipedia says is acceptable.  They refer to the books in the references section which have the complete bibliographical information.  If you'd like to change them all to the long format, I have no objection to that.  Similarly, the copied material as I see it and remember it was transcluded, as shown in the section, which is, as I understand it, from the transclusion page, a perfectly acceptable operation.  If there is something cited wrong, again, I'm happy to have you edit it correctly.  Much thanks.    JMvanDijk  talk


 * I am not sure how I can make it more explicit. Some of the text comes from pages that were copied and not transluded. Therefore you copied text from other Wikipedia pages, without appropriate attribution. If you do that again without appropriate attribution as described in "Copying within Wikipedia" your account may be blocked. I suggest that if this is still not clear that you ask at for clarification at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems -- PBS (talk) 14:26, 4 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I have fixed all the short-inline citation problems you caused by not copying across the necessary long citations from the pages from which you copied and transluded text. There is however one exception which I could not fix as there is not enough information provided. As you created that short-citation please add the appropriate long citation to fix it. See talk:House of York for details. -- PBS (talk) 14:26, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Checked, and it turns out it was just a repeated reference.  So I removed it. JMvanDijk  talk

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 * Don't get this. These all work.  JMvanDijk (talk)

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Moved to draft
Hi there! I moved the page of resources for your sandbox to draft. It's not a good long-term place for it since drafts are deleted after a few months, so you should move it somewhere else, like a user page. I leave it up to you to decide where best to put it for your use. But please don't put it in mainspace since it isn't an article. You'll find the page at Draft: Sandbox17. Thanks! Mcampany (talk) 19:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)


 * yes, please let it be deleted. It was a typo from the lack of a "/".  Thanks.  JMvanDijk (talk)

User:JMvanDijk/Sandbox 9
Your sandbox User:JMvanDijk/Sandbox 9 is showing up in Lint errors: Multiple unclosed formatting tags because of (alleged) unclosed  tags. I do not understand why, but I have tracked the first two problems to this markup: vie= Viennois 1184 – 1273 | por= Portuguese House of Burgundy 1093 – 1409 | Certainly, the small tags here appear to be closed, but the lint detector sees problems with both lines.

In Wikipedia, we don't usually wikilink years, so all of the year links should be stripped out.

Also  is now obsolete HTML, and you're encouraged to replace that with. However, there is special centering markup for various special cases:
 * galleries:
 * tables:  (merge with other markup such as class="wikitable")
 * table cells:

Finally, this markup  has unclosed italic markup.

I hope you can figure out what is wrong with the small tags, and I encourage you to replace the center tags.

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 * Not sure this is valid. The phrases on heraldic.org are a simple statement of fact showing descent of people. I'm not sure how would rephrase this.  However, I will. JMvanDijk (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

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Order of the Bath in heraldry
Hello JMvanDijk

I saw your impressive Bath circlet among other elegant heraldic compositions - excellent work!

Since there doesn't yet seem to be an example of a CB's arms on Wikipedia, would you be so kind as to create an image of the arms of Major-General Sir David Egerton, Bt, CB?

These are blazoned:

Escutcheon: Argent a Lion rampant Gules between three Pheons Sable in centre chief an Inescutcheon Argent charged of a Sinister Hand erect epaumée couped Gules (Canton of a Baronet)

Crest: Three Arrows two in saltire Argent and one in pale point downwards Or barbed and feathered Sable banded with a Ribbon Gules

Helm: That of a Knight

Mantling: Argent and Gules

Orders: The Shield is surrounded by the Bath circlet, inscribed with its Motto: TRIA JUNCTA IN UNO

Motto: Virtuti Non Armis Fido.

The following are elements of Sir David Egerton's arms which, should you be agreeable to assist in this way, I trust you may find of help:

I hope this appeals to you - looking forward to hearing - many thanks.

Best Primm1234 (talk) 22:33, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

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