User talk:JPG-GR/Archive 5

WPAL
Hello, I am one of the editors at WikiProject Alabama. We wanted to explain why your creation of a dab page at WPAL was reverted. WPAL has been a link to our project page for quite sometime. The sudden change caught our editors by surprise. I think the link to the radio station WPAL-FM from WPAL should be reconsidered for the following reasons: Perhaps a better solution, which I will go ahead and add, is a link at our project directing people to the station. Would that be acceptable to you?
 * 1) It disrupts an active WikiProject;
 * 2) It links to a station which is not even on the air;
 * 3) The call letters are unique in that there is no AM or TV.

Thanks, -JodyBtalk 13:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Utilizing WPAL as a link to your project is a cross-namespace redirect, which is frowned upon. Moreover, according to Whatlinkshere for WPAL, there is no instance of it for that purpose other than on three userpages. If anything, WPAL should be a redirect to WPAL-FM. However, to prevent any users from being lost, I created the dabpage, which I'm going to revert back to now for the reasons I have listed. JPG-GR (talk) 18:12, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * From WP:REDIRECT#5: It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exceptions to this rule are the "WP:" shortcut redirects (like WP:RFD), "CAT:" shortcut redirects and "WT:" shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space but in practice form their own "pseudo-namespaces". All "articles" beginning with "WP:" are in fact redirects.
 * For clarification, the WPAL link does not qualify here as it is not of the form WP:AL, which unfortunately is already taken by another project. JPG-GR (talk) 18:16, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You seem to be right. I do wish you would communicate before making such changes however. Thanks. -JodyBtalk 18:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As I had already stated, I checked the Whatlinkshere, and finding only 3 links to this user of WPAL, I decided to be bold. JPG-GR (talk) 19:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Template:RadioTranslators
There is a bug in the RadioTranslators template -- there is nothing that differentiates AM stations from FM stations, as all stations link to the FCC's FM database. In the Moody Broadcasting Network article, there's a list using this template, but the network has several affiliates on the AM band. Could the template be adjusted so that the station could link to the correct database? Thanks again. -- azumanga (talk) 03:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no such thing as a licensed AM radio translator in the United States. These stations you speak of are either not translators or are not licensed. The use of this particluar template in this particular situation is invalid. JPG-GR (talk) 03:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Try utilizing RadioRebroadcasters instead. JPG-GR (talk) 03:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The Moody Broadcasting Network list is showing incorrect and misleading information. Nothing on there says if the stations are 24/7 translators of MBN or part time.


 * If this is the file that you are using for the list, it says there "Moody’s Owned and Operated Stations, Translator Outlets, and Satellators (highlighted in blue) carry the complete schedule of Moody Broadcasting programs. Our affiliate stations (in black type) carry a portion of this programming." The stations on the list should be divided like-wise so it is not misleading.  As it stands now, it seems like all the stations listed carry the full schedule of MBN programming, when they do not...or are all owned by MBN, when they also are not. - NeutralHomer  T:C 03:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep the article discussion to the actual article's talkpage, NH. And, kindly remove my talk page from your watchlist. JPG-GR (talk) 03:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You created the list, so it is your job to make it work correctly. I will do that for you. - NeutralHomer  T:C 03:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I made the template. If you actually checked the history of the article before accusing me of adding false info to Wikipedia, you'd see I've never even edited the article. So, knowing I won't get the apology you owe me for once again falsely accusing me of something with no proof whatsoever, kindly take the article discussion to the actual article's talkpage and remove my talk page from your watchlist. JPG-GR (talk) 03:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Moreover, nothing on Wikipedia is a "job." Nor, it is your job to stalk my edits and talk page CONSTANTLY, though you seem to treat it like your job, and you don't even do it all that well, based on the false accusations. JPG-GR (talk) 03:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That's great and all, but I have updated the page correctly and will be "fixing" the template presently. - NeutralHomer T:C 04:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Template updated from 21 to 30. 21 is not sufficient room for translators/stations in states like Texas or California. - NeutralHomer  T:C 04:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Thank you for proving my point. And there was nothing to be "fixed" with the template - it had yet to be utilized anywhere where there were 30 translators and no station has come along that requires them. I'm reverting those changes because, as stated above, the stations in those lists are NOT translator stations and this template is not the appropriate choice. However, feel free to make the appropriate changes to RadioRebroadcasters, an appropriate template for this purpose, as I mentioned to Azumanga. JPG-GR (talk) 04:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Check the Texas affiliate section of the [Moody Broadcasting Network]] where there are 26 stations in one section, which is currently "broken" because of your revert. - NeutralHomer T:C 04:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, because for the third time on my talk page, when the discussion should be taking place on the article's talkpage, the wrong template is being used. Does a bold font help, or should I increase the font size? Perhaps you'd like to install Microsoft Agent? JPG-GR (talk) 04:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you just don't want to admit you are owning the crap out if this template? I will revert for you...I still have that power. - NeutralHomer  T:C 04:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * PERHAPS YOU SHOULD TRY READING THE CONVERSATION FOR ONCE. IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO READ WHAT I'M POSTING IN RESPONSE TO YOU ON MY TALK PAGE, STOP FUCKING POSTING ON MY TALK PAGE. JPG-GR (talk) 04:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I reverted your change on the Texas affiliate section of the [Moody Broadcasting Network]]. You are just being silly.  Also, I wouldn't post cuss words on your talk page.  That got me in trouble once. - NeutralHomer  T:C 04:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * So, I fix the problem, and then you revert it? You do realize you're just blindly reverting me again, since you clearly REFUSE to read what I'm trying to explain to you and try to understand it. THIS is why you alienate so many people - you post INCESSANTLY to their talk pages, and when they try to have a discussion with you YOU DO NOT LISTEN, and then you blindly revert. JPG-GR (talk) 04:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah I reverted...cause you used a template that doesn't have the FCC Listings beside the entry. You are own'ing over this template and reverting what....the addition of 9 blank entries?  Why? - NeutralHomer  T:C 04:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The FCC column is not included because RadioRebroadcasters is used for the US and Canada. And, for the last time (this being the fourth time on my talk page, when the discussion should be taking place on the article's talk page), the stations listed there are NOT translators, so RadioTranslators is NOT the correct template. They ALL need to be changed to RadioRebroadcasters. JPG-GR (talk) 05:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You want them changed to RadioRebroadcasters, then do this....add an FCC link beside the entries. I don't know why that would be a problem...hell, that is a simple cut and paste.  Again, WP:OWN.


 * Also, I wouldn't have to bring a "minor situation" to ANI, if you could work with others and not own over everything. - NeutralHomer T:C 05:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I find it entertaining that I have no problem working with any other editors, yet you have a history of it. I believe you need to step back, look over the whole situation, and re-evaluate your position. JPG-GR (talk) 05:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I find it quite entertaining that you see no problem violating and disregarding WP:OWN, one of them "rules" we have here. Once you add something to Wikipedia, it is not yours anymore (unless you have a copyright on it).  Since you don't have a copyright on the template, it ain't yours and I can edit it.  Adding 9...NINE...blank entries is something you think should be reverted?  Now that is entertaining to me. - NeutralHomer  T:C 05:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * As no radio station in the US has more than 21 translator stations (as of an October check, feel free to find me one that does), there is absolutely no reason to have more than 21 blanks, unless you are using the template incorrectly. ADDITIONALLY: this is my last comment on this matter on my talk page. Since you have REFUSED to discuss this situation in the mainspace (where it should be), any further conversation can take place at the WP:ANI thread you started. JPG-GR (talk) 05:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine, but I will still comment on your "final" comment..........Welcome to January 2008, this ain't October pal. Also, why would it matter if there were 21 spaces...or 30...or 10?  Who picks, honestly?  You, me?  No...it is determined by how many spaces is needed at that moment. - NeutralHomer  T:C 05:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh and here is list of KAWZ-FM from Twin Falls, parent station to CSN, translators.....

Translating KAWZ     TWIN FALLS, ID              89.9 FM    K206DG     89.1   KENAI, AK                  LICENSED K216DG    91.1   KETCHIKAN, AK              LICENSED   02/04/2000 K216DF    91.1   KODIAK, AK                 LICENSED K220FW    91.9   SELDOVIA, AK               LICENSED K220FY    91.9   SITKA, AK                  LICENSED   04/04/2000 W273AJ   102.5   ATHENS, AL                 LICENSED   02/07/2007 W209BL    89.7   HUNTSVILLE, AL             LICENSED   04/11/2002 W214BN    90.7   MALBIS, AL                 LICENSED   05/15/2001 K268AQ   101.5   BENTONVILLE, AR            LICENSED   07/24/2006 K215EE    90.9   FAYETTEVILLE, AR           LICENSED   12/02/1999 K218DE    91.5   JONESBORO, AR              LICENSED   11/19/2001 K204DN    88.7   PARAGOULD, AR              LICENSED   11/19/2002 K207CW    89.3   PARIS, AR                  LICENSED   10/28/2002 K204DO    88.7   PINE BLUFF, AR             LICENSED   03/28/2002 K210DY    89.9   BLACK CANYON CITY, AZ      LICENSED   03/15/2001 K220GI    91.9   CAMP VERDE, AZ             LICENSED K220IL    91.9   CLIFTON, AZ                LICENSED   08/07/2001 K258AL    99.5   GROOM CREEK, AZ            LICENSED K217CN    91.3   HOLBROOK, AZ               LICENSED K219KQ    91.7   PAYSON, AZ                 LICENSED   08/28/2001 K218DV    91.5   PINETOP, AZ                LICENSED K206DH    89.1   WINSLOW, AZ                LICENSED   02/12/2002 K211DD    90.1   YUMA, AZ                   LICENSED K262AM   100.3   ANDERSON, CA               LICENSED   02/14/2005 K289AN   105.7   BAKERSFIELD, CA            LICENSED   01/24/2005 K212BD    90.3   BARSTOW, CA                LICENSED   10/25/2001 K234AL    94.7   BELLVUE, CA                LICENSED   06/15/2004 K214ED    90.7   BENA, CA                   LICENSED   03/31/2000 K212DF    90.3   BEND, CA                   LICENSED   04/12/2000 K221EU    92.1   BIG SUR, CA                LICENSED   09/21/2007 K209CY    89.7   BLYTHE, CA                 LICENSED   02/01/2000 K217EL    91.3   BORREGO SPRINGS, CA        LICENSED   11/19/2001 K217EA    91.3   BROWNSVILLE, CA            LICENSED   07/19/2001 K203CU    88.5   BURNEY, CA                 LICENSED K225AJ    92.9   BURNEY/REDDING, CA         LICENSED   11/28/2001 K207DN    89.3   BYRON, CA                  LICENSED   05/29/2001 K221ET    92.1   CHUALAR, CA                LICENSED   08/29/2007 K212DJ    90.3   CLEARLAKE, CA              LICENSED   09/26/2001 K217EQ    91.3   COALINGA, CA               LICENSED K207CE    89.3   COTTONWOOD, CA             LICENSED   10/27/1999 K272AY   102.3   CRESCENT CITY, CA          LICENSED   12/06/2001 K288DR   105.5   DESERT HOT SPRINGS, CA     LICENSED K235AG    94.9   DORRIS, CA                 LICENSED   08/31/2000 K214DM    90.7   DURHAM/CHICO, CA           LICENSED   05/03/2000 K229AF    93.7   EUREKA, CA                 LICENSED   08/15/2001 K289AO   105.7   FALL RIVER MILLS, CA       LICENSED   12/12/2006 K211DG    90.1   FIREBAUGH, CA              LICENSED K201HL    88.1   GARBERVILLE, CA            LICENSED K272DX   102.3   GRASS VALLEY, CA           LICENSED   10/12/2006 K216EC    91.1   HAPPY CAMP, CA             LICENSED   10/27/1999 K260BI    99.9   HAVILAH, CA                LICENSED   11/18/2006 K205DT    88.9   INDIO, CA                  LICENSED   05/06/2003 K216EW    91.1   KERNVILLE, CA              LICENSED   12/03/2002 K207CT    89.3   LAKEHEAD, CA               LICENSED K212EP    90.3   LANDERS, CA                LICENSED   09/20/2001 K213AR    90.5   LAS CRUCES, ETC., CA       LICENSED K216AX    91.1   LAUREL, CA                 LICENSED K210DQ    89.9   LAYTONVILLE, CA            LICENSED   12/14/2004 K216CO    91.1   LOMPOC, CA                 LICENSED K201FW    88.1   LOS GATOS, CA              LICENSED   06/11/2001 K220IA    91.9   MAPLE CREEK, CA            LICENSED   08/15/2001 K214CT    90.7   MARIPOSA, CA               LICENSED   07/31/2001 K262AO   100.3   MARYSVILLE, CA             LICENSED   03/12/2007 K234AW    94.7   MONTEREY, CA               LICENSED   08/22/2007 K267AJ   101.3   MT. SHASTA, CA             LICENSED   05/30/2002 K276EF   103.1   MUSCOY, CA                 LICENSED AND SILENT K208DO    89.5   NAPA, CA                   LICENSED   03/29/2001 K288BO   105.5   PASO ROBLES, CA            LICENSED   05/16/2002 K213CV    90.5   PINE GROVE, CA             LICENSED   05/16/2002 K298AF   107.5   PROJECT CITY, CA           LICENSED K271AP   102.1   PRUNEDALE, CA              LICENSED   08/29/2007 K216FA    91.1   QUARTZ HILL, CA            LICENSED   07/10/2001 K218DU    91.5   RIDGECREST, CA             LICENSED K238AY    95.5   RIO LINDA, CA              LICENSED   02/28/2007 K252CK    98.3   SALINAS, CA                LICENSED   11/14/2000 K249AQ    97.7   SAN ARDO & BRADLEY, CA     LICENSED K202DU    88.3   SAN JUAN BAUTISTA, CA      LICENSED   02/05/2003 K201DF    88.1   SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA        LICENSED   07/31/2001 K285EW   104.9   SAN LUIS OBISPO, CA        LICENSED   10/11/2000 K218CP    91.5   SANTA BARBARA, CA          LICENSED   11/20/2001 K216FQ    91.1   SANTA MARIA, CA            LICENSED K272CH   102.3   SCOTIA, ETC., CA           LICENSED K240CD    95.9   SOQUEL, ETC., CA           LICENSED K259AU    99.7   STOCKTON, CA               LICENSED   03/16/2005 K205EK    88.9   SUSANVILLE, CA             LICENSED   07/01/2005 K206DF    89.1   TALMAGE, CA                LICENSED   08/11/2000 K254AR    98.7   TRUCKEE, CA                LICENSED   01/26/2004 K281BB   104.1   VACAVILLE, CA              LICENSED   10/12/2006 K212EK    90.3   VICTORVILLE, CA            LICENSED K221EE    92.1   WEST SONORA, CA            LICENSED   05/12/2005 K212DK    90.3   WESTWOOD, CA               LICENSED   12/14/2000 K210DZ    89.9   WILLITS, CA                LICENSED K215DG    90.9   WILLOWS, CA                LICENSED   11/05/2002 K213CY    90.5   YANKEE HILL, CA            LICENSED   03/21/2001 K255BM    98.9   YANKEE HILL-OROVILLE, CA   LICENSED   05/03/2001 K204DM    88.5   YREKA, CA                  LICENSED   04/23/2001 K216CX    91.1   YUCCA VALLEY, CA           LICENSED K201FK    88.1   BURLINGTON, CO             LICENSED   09/09/2002 K202DX    88.3   FORT MORGAN, CO            LICENSED   05/30/2002 K205CK    88.9   GRAND JUNCTION, CO         LICENSED K211EI    90.1   LAMAR, CO                  LICENSED   12/21/2000 K220IK    91.9   LIMON, CO                  LICENSED   09/09/2002 K213CK    90.5   MONTROSE, CO               LICENSED K203DD    88.5   STERLING, CO               LICENSED   08/15/2001 K220IJ    91.9   YUMA, CO                   LICENSED   11/24/2000 DW220BS   91.9   MERIDEN, CT                CP GRANTED W203BB    88.5   NORWALK, CT                LICENSED   01/30/2002 W217BL    91.3   ARLINGTON, FL              LICENSED   12/02/2004 W270AK   101.9   CAMBON, FL                 LICENSED   05/16/2002 W229AH    93.7   EASTPORT, FL               LICENSED   06/14/2007 W203AY    88.5   GOLDEN LAKES, FL           LICENSED   10/25/2001 W205AS    88.9   GULF BREEZE, FL            LICENSED W220DF    91.9   KEY WEST, FL               LICENSED   08/29/2000 W288BV   105.5   KEY WEST, FL               CP GRANTED 09/22/2004 License to Cover application accepted 09/19/2007 License to Cover application accepted 09/18/2007 W300AS   107.9   ORANGE PARK, FL            LICENSED   07/07/2006 W203BJ    88.5   PANAMA CITY, FL            LICENSED   11/07/2001 W287BJ   105.3   RAMROD KEY, FL             CP GRANTED 09/22/2004 License to Cover application accepted 09/19/2007 W201BJ    88.1   ATHENS, GA                 LICENSED W203BA    88.5   BLUE RIDGE, GA             LICENSED   06/14/2001 W218BK    91.5   BRUNSWICK, GA              LICENSED   02/28/2001 W201CC    88.1   BUFORD, GA                 LICENSED W209BJ    89.7   DANIELSVILLE, GA           LICENSED   11/26/2002 W204BN    88.7   GAINESVILLE, GA            LICENSED   04/18/2002 W203BH    88.5   MACON, GA                  LICENSED   11/29/2001 W201BN    88.1   MILLEDGEVILLE, GA          LICENSED W229AG    93.7   SANDY PLAINS, GA           LICENSED   05/20/2004 W206AT    89.1   SAVANNAH, GA               LICENSED   09/26/2001 W213BE    90.5   SNELLVILLE, GA             LICENSED   09/21/2000 W214AS    90.7   WALESKA, GA                LICENSED W202BA    88.3   WARNER ROBINS, GA          LICENSED K204FN    88.1   HILO, HI                   LICENSED   12/21/2000 K215EH    90.9   KAILUA, HI                 LICENSED   04/09/2002 K211EU    90.1   KAILUA KONA, HI            LICENSED   05/03/2000 K220HM    91.9   KALAOA, HI                 LICENSED   04/27/2000 K220HA    91.9   KIHEI, HI                  LICENSED   03/23/2000 K205EB    88.9   LANAI, HI                  LICENSED   12/10/2002 K264AV   100.7   WAIMEA, HI                 LICENSED   09/21/2007 K208DS    89.5   CHEROKEE, IA               LICENSED   04/04/2000 K203DB    88.5   CRESTON, IA                LICENSED   10/22/2002 K206BW    89.1   DES MOINES, IA             LICENSED   11/01/1999 K218CE    91.5   MARSHALLTOWN, IA           LICENSED K212DR    90.3   ALBION, ID                 LICENSED   02/12/2001 K206CX    89.1   AMMON, ID                  LICENSED   12/21/2000 K294AE   106.7   BOISE, ID                  LICENSED K238AG    95.5   CASCADE, ID                LICENSED   02/08/2001 K206CY    89.1   CHUBBUCK, ID               LICENSED   02/16/2001 K204EP    88.7   GRANGEVILLE, ID            LICENSED K203DS    88.5   KETCHUM/HAILEY, ID         LICENSED   07/19/2001 K207DO    89.3   LEWISTON, ID               LICENSED   01/30/2002 K256AN    99.1   MCCALL, ID                 LICENSED   08/30/2007 K272DV   102.3   MOUNTAIN HOME, ID          LICENSED   01/21/2000 K204DV    88.7   NAMPA, ID                  LICENSED   11/19/2001 K273AM   102.5   PAYETTE, ID                LICENSED   07/07/2006 K212FQ    90.3   SALMON, ID                 LICENSED   09/21/2007 K212EY    90.3   SANDPOINT, ID              LICENSED   08/15/2001 W213BI    90.5   DECATUR, IL                LICENSED   01/30/2002 W206AI    89.1   LAKE VILLA, IL             LICENSED K203EF    88.5   MOUNT VERNON, IL           LICENSED   08/28/2001 W216BW    91.1   HAMBURG, IN                LICENSED   07/17/2006 K205CT    88.9   EMPORIA, KS                LICENSED K201DL    88.1   HUTCHINSON, KS             LICENSED   01/12/2000 K208EK    89.5   THAYER, KS                 LICENSED   09/16/2002 K205CS    88.9   TOPEKA, KS                 LICENSED K204DQ    88.7   WICHITA, KS                LICENSED   03/26/2001 W216CC    91.1   BOWLING GREEN, KY          LICENSED   07/07/2006 W217BA    91.3   GLASGOW, KY                LICENSED   10/28/2002 W274AM   102.7   LOUISVILLE, KY             LICENSED   04/10/2007 W216BM    91.1   OKOLONA, KY                LICENSED   11/24/2000 W215AV    90.9   SOUTH PORTSMOUTH, KY       LICENSED W215BO    90.9   WESTPORT, KY               LICENSED   07/10/2002 K275AL   102.9   BATON ROUGE, LA            LICENSED   04/17/2007 K201FO    88.1   JENNINGS, LA               LICENSED   10/28/2002 K202DN    88.3   LAFAYETTE, LA              LICENSED   08/28/2001 K279AL   103.7   MILLERVILLE, LA            LICENSED   04/17/2007 K220EU    91.9   NEW ROADS, LA              LICENSED   06/06/2002 K237EW    95.3   PORT ALLEN, LA             LICENSED   04/03/2007 W206AY    89.1   FRUITLAND, MD              LICENSED   11/27/2000 W218BD    91.5   SOUTHWEST HARBOR, ME       LICENSED   12/20/2000 W201CF    88.1   BALDWIN, MI                LICENSED   11/29/2001 W216BX    91.1   BENTON HARBOR, MI          LICENSED   03/27/2002 W207BX    89.3   CARO, MI                   LICENSED   12/21/2000 W208BB    89.5   ROYAL OAK, MI              LICENSED   02/26/2004 W214AY    90.7   WALKER, MI                 LICENSED   02/01/2000 K204ES    88.7   BRAINERD, MN               LICENSED   07/25/2002 K207DP    89.3   FERGUS FALLS, MN           LICENSED   05/20/2004 K209DS    89.7   GRAND RAPIDS, MN           LICENSED   08/15/2001 K204CN    88.7   BRANSON, MO                LICENSED   11/28/2001 K207BT    89.3   JOPLIN, MO                 LICENSED   10/11/2000 K206CH    89.1   NEVADA, MO                 LICENSED   07/11/2002 K204DT    88.7   ROGERSVILLE, MO            LICENSED   10/25/2001 K220HT    91.9   WEBSTER GROVES, MO         LICENSED   09/26/2002 W215BE    90.9   D'IBERVILLE/BILOXI, MS     LICENSED   04/18/2002 W217AQ    91.3   MERIDIAN, MS               LICENSED W219CV    91.7   RAYMOND, MS                LICENSED   06/14/2001 W245AH    96.9   RIDGELAND, MS              LICENSED   12/12/2006 W218BV    91.5   WAYNESBORO, MS             LICENSED K217EM    91.3   BILLINGS, MT               LICENSED   04/19/2001 K268AS   101.5   BOZEMAN, MT                LICENSED   02/07/2007 K201FG    88.1   CULBERTSON, MT             LICENSED   04/02/2001 K218DN    91.5   GALLATIN GATEWAY, ET, MT   LICENSED K215CW    90.9   GLENDIVE, MT               LICENSED   02/28/2001 K201DC    88.1   GREAT FALLS, MT            LICENSED K204CX    88.7   HAMILTON, MT               LICENSED   02/07/2002 K215CG    90.9   HELENA, MT                 LICENSED K201EY    88.1   KALISPELL, MT              LICENSED   08/28/2001 K204EV    88.7   MISSOULA, MT               LICENSED   09/16/2002 K258AP    99.5   WHITEFISH, MT              LICENSED   01/30/2002 W244CD    96.7   BROWNS SUMMIT, NC          LICENSED   03/13/2001 W224BC    92.7   BURLINGTON, NC             LICENSED   06/29/2007 W219CW    91.7   DANBURY, NC                LICENSED   05/30/2002 W291AN   106.1   EDEN, NC                   LICENSED   01/30/2002 W217BQ    91.3   ELIZABETH CITY, NC         LICENSED   08/21/2007 W220CD    91.9   ENKA, NC                   LICENSED   09/21/2000 W205BY    88.9   LEXINGTON, NC              LICENSED   05/16/2002 W236AL    95.1   SUMMERFIELD, NC            LICENSED   03/16/2005 W228BE    93.5   WINSTON SALEM, NC          LICENSED   12/12/2006 K201FN    88.1   DICKINSON, ND              LICENSED   06/14/2001 K201FJ    88.1   WILLISTON, ND              LICENSED   02/28/2001 K220HX    91.9   FRANKLIN, NE               LICENSED   08/31/2000 K219DW    91.7   NORFOLK, NE                LICENSED   08/28/2001 K212EJ    90.3   SCOTTSBLUFF, NE            LICENSED W220BT    91.9   CAPE MAY, NJ               LICENSED   12/21/2000 K216EA    91.1   ALAMOGORDO, NM             LICENSED K203EB    88.5   FARMINGTON, NM             LICENSED K203ED    88.5   GALLUP, NM                 LICENSED K211EN    90.1   LAS CRUCES, NM             LICENSED   02/08/2001 K220FT    91.9   PORTALES, NM               LICENSED   07/10/2002 K213EA    90.5   ROSWELL, NM                LICENSED K220HU    91.9   BATTLE MOUNTAIN, NV        LICENSED   10/25/2001 K259AK    99.7   CARSON CITY, NV            LICENSED   02/26/2001 K220HG    91.9   ELKO, NV                   LICENSED   06/18/2002 K204FR    88.7   LOVELOCK, NV               LICENSED   04/12/2000 K295AJ   106.9   NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV        LICENSED   02/12/2001 K211DC    90.1   PAHRUMP, NV                LICENSED K291BJ   106.1   RENO, SPARKS, NV           LICENSED K217DN    91.3   RIEPETOWN/ELY, NV          LICENSED   11/29/2001 K215DX    90.9   ROUND MOUNTAIN, NV         LICENSED   04/16/2001 K207CP    89.3   SOUTH LAKE TAHOE, NV       LICENSED   09/22/2000 K200AA    87.9   SUN VALLEY, NV             LICENSED   04/12/2004 K208ET    89.5   TONOPAH, NV                LICENSED   11/29/2001 K223AM    92.5   WELLS, NV                  LICENSED   07/24/2003 K201FF    88.1   WINNEMUCCA, NV             LICENSED   03/12/2001 W214AR    90.7   OSWEGO, NY                 LICENSED W217BI    91.3   CUMMINSVILLE, OH           LICENSED   04/29/2002 W205AT    88.9   HAMLER, OH                 LICENSED W205BP    88.9   PEMBERVILLE, OH            LICENSED   07/27/2000 W264AK   100.7   TOLEDO, OH                 LICENSED   12/14/2000 K201FP    88.1   ARAPAHO, OK                LICENSED   10/28/2002 K217EX    91.3   BERLIN, OK                 LICENSED   10/28/2002 K209DJ    89.7   CHICKASHA, OK              LICENSED   10/22/2002 K211EM    90.1   DURANT, OK                 LICENSED   04/08/2003 K266BG   101.1   EDMOND, OK                 CP GRANTED 04/19/2007 K207DS    89.3   WISTER, OK                 LICENSED   11/26/2002 K204EQ    88.7   WOODWARD, OK               LICENSED   10/28/2002 K247AQ    97.3   ASHLAND, OR                LICENSED   01/09/2007 K210DW    89.9   BEND, OR                   LICENSED K201DV    88.1   BROOKINGS, OR              LICENSED   06/11/2001 K203CW    88.5   BURNS, OR                  LICENSED   03/07/2001 K202DT    88.3   CANYONVILLE, OR            LICENSED   07/25/2002 K218DP    91.5   CAVE JUNCTION, OR          LICENSED K216EH    91.1   COLTON, OR                 LICENSED   11/30/1999 K212AK    90.3   CORVALLIS, OR              LICENSED K273AJ   102.5   ELWOOD, OR                 LICENSED   09/21/2000 K203BT    88.5   EUGENE, OR                 LICENSED   09/21/2000 K207DQ    89.3   FLORENCE, OR               LICENSED   02/12/2002 K205DM    88.9   GLIDE, OR                  LICENSED   03/24/2000 K201EQ    88.1   GOLD BEACH, OR             LICENSED   10/01/2001 K213CF    90.5   GRANTS PASS, OR            LICENSED K249BS    97.7   GRANTS PASS, OR            LICENSED K293AN   106.5   GRIZZLY, OR                LICENSED   05/20/2004 K270AT   101.9   HARRISBURG, OR             LICENSED   08/14/2007 K246BB    97.1   KENO, OR                   LICENSED   02/01/2006 K260AK    99.9   KLAMATH FALLS, OR          LICENSED K220II    91.9   LAKEVIEW, OR               LICENSED   04/02/2001 K296BS   107.1   MEDFORD, ETC., OR          LICENSED K276EO   103.1   MERLIN, OR                 LICENSED   07/07/2006 K201DH    88.1   PENDLETON, OR              LICENSED K220IN    91.9   PORTLAND, OR               LICENSED   09/22/2004 K288FT   105.5   PORTLAND, OR               LICENSED   07/26/2007 K214CM    90.7   ROSEBURG, OR               LICENSED K293BE   106.5   SEASIDE, OR                LICENSED   11/28/2006 K280BK    91.7   SELMA, OR                  LICENSED K205EA    88.9   SPRAGUE RIVER, OR          LICENSED   06/14/2001 K205EG    88.9   THE DALLES, OR             LICENSED   09/20/2001 K252DL    98.3   WALTON, OR                 LICENSED   07/29/2002 W219CN    91.7   ALBRIGHTSVILLE, PA         LICENSED   04/02/2001 W296BW   107.1   ERIE, PA                   LICENSED   03/29/2007 W207BA    89.3   HAMMETT, PA                LICENSED   01/11/2000 W220BX    91.9   MARIETTA, PA               LICENSED   07/31/2001 W218BX    91.5   BLUFFTON, SC               LICENSED   12/01/1999 W205BJ    88.9   CHARLESTON, SC             LICENSED W207BQ    89.3   COLUMBIA, SC               LICENSED   03/27/2002 W203BG    88.5   CONWAY, SC                 LICENSED   12/11/2006 W206AR    89.1   FLORENCE, SC               LICENSED W218CB    91.5   FROGMORE, SC               LICENSED   12/14/2000 W213BD    90.5   GREENVILLE, SC             LICENSED   06/14/2000 W225AJ    92.9   JOHNS ISLAND, SC           LICENSED   04/02/2007 W204AL    88.7   KINGSTREE, SC              LICENSED   11/19/2001 W211BV    90.1   LEXINGTON, SC              LICENSED   07/07/2006 W208BA    89.5   MYRTLE BEACH, SC           LICENSED   04/23/2001 W246AS    97.1   OLYMPIA, SC                LICENSED   11/21/2005 K205ED    88.9   ABERDEEN, SD               LICENSED   07/31/2001 K215DV    90.9   BOX ELDER, SD              LICENSED   08/09/2001 W214BQ    90.7   BRENTWOOD, TN              LICENSED   08/05/2003 W203AZ    88.5   CHATTANOOGA, TN            LICENSED   02/15/2001 W206BO    89.1   DICKSON, TN                LICENSED   02/28/2007 W220CC    91.9   JOHNSONVILLE, TN           LICENSED   04/11/2002 W288BG   105.5   LEBANON, TN                LICENSED   12/12/2006 K206CF    89.1   AUSTIN, TX                 LICENSED   02/28/2003 K212DG    90.3   BUSHLAND, TX               LICENSED   10/03/2000 K273AW   102.5   GARDENDALE, TX             LICENSED   11/09/1999 K213DT    90.5   KERRVILLE, TX              LICENSED   10/07/2003 K209EW    89.7   LEGION, TX                 LICENSED   10/28/2002 K225AV    92.9   MIDLAND, TX                LICENSED   12/13/2007 K218CF    91.5   NEW BRAUNFELS, TX          LICENSED   02/07/2000 K206DC    89.1   ODESSA, TX                 LICENSED   02/12/2002 K211DS    90.1   PARIS, TX                  LICENSED   07/19/2001 K220GL    91.9   PLEASANTON, TX             LICENSED   03/24/2000 K204DX    88.7   SAN ANTONIO, TX            LICENSED   09/19/2001 K292FF   106.3   TERRELL WELLS, TX          LICENSED   04/10/2007 K220HI    91.9   CLARKSTON, UT              LICENSED   04/04/2000 K213DC    90.5   EPHRAIM, UT                LICENSED   10/15/2001 K201CW    88.1   MOAB, UT                   LICENSED K202CC    88.3   PROVO, UT                  LICENSED   02/16/2001 K213CQ    90.5   SALT LAKE CITY, UT         LICENSED   02/15/2001 K201DP    88.1   ST. GEORGE, UT             LICENSED K203CQ    88.5   TOOELE, UT                 LICENSED K201FT    88.1   WELLSVILLE, UT             LICENSED   10/25/2001 W204BH    88.7   BOONES MILL, VA            LICENSED   11/29/2001 W289AJ   105.7   DANVILLE, VA               LICENSED   07/31/2001 W219CX    91.7   LAKESIDE/RICHMOND, VA      LICENSED   02/12/2002 W229AE    93.7   LYNCHBURG, VA              LICENSED W290AK   105.9   MARTINSVILLE, VA           LICENSED   06/20/2002 W224BS    92.7   ROANOKE, VA                LICENSED   01/26/2007 K205EN    88.9   ABERDEEN, WA               LICENSED K201FH    88.1   BELLINGHAM, WA             LICENSED   01/11/2000 K206DM    89.1   BREMERTON, WA              LICENSED K206DO    89.1   CAPE GEORGE, WA            LICENSED   10/11/2000 K220HE    91.9   CHEHALIS, WA               LICENSED   01/11/2000 K206CL    89.1   CHINOOK, WA                LICENSED   11/24/2000 K228DU    93.5   CLARKSTON, WA              LICENSED   12/04/2006 K218DF    91.5   CLE ELUM, WA               LICENSED   11/14/2000 K205DF    88.9   ENUMCLAW, WA               LICENSED K268BN   101.5   EUFAULA/LONGVIEW, WA       LICENSED   11/15/2005 K220HD    91.9   FALL CITY, WA              LICENSED   07/24/2001 K201FD    88.1   FORKS, WA                  LICENSED   06/23/2000 K279AK   103.7   GRANGER, WA                LICENSED   03/12/2007 K206DL    89.1   GRANITE FALLS/EVERET, WA   LICENSED   08/16/2000 K204DH    88.7   HANFORD, WA                LICENSED   01/11/2000 K212DB    90.3   MOSES LAKE, WA             LICENSED K206CU    89.1   MOUNT VERNON, WA           LICENSED   07/31/2001 K223BC    92.5   NACHES, WA                 LICENSED   09/24/2007 K201EM    88.1   OLYMPIA, WA                LICENSED   01/11/2000 K289AK   105.7   ORTING, WA                 LICENSED   04/22/2004 K202DS    88.3   PORT ANGELES, WA           LICENSED   11/29/2001 K219KP    91.7   SEQUIM, WA                 LICENSED   12/26/2002 K205DH    88.9   SHELTON, WA                LICENSED   01/11/2000 K207CH    89.3   TWISP, WA                  LICENSED K207CS    89.3   WENATCHEE, WA              LICENSED   11/16/2000 K231AM    94.1   WOODLAND, WA               LICENSED   10/22/2002 K218CX    91.5   YAKIMA, WA                 LICENSED   03/07/2007 W209BM    89.7   DE PERE, WI                LICENSED   02/16/2001 W204BP    88.7   EAU CLAIRE, WI             LICENSED   04/23/2001 W215BF    90.9   MANITOWOC, WI              LICENSED   10/25/2005 W211AY    90.1   MENOMONIE, WI              LICENSED W204BK    88.7   SHERWOOD, WI               LICENSED   10/11/2000 K203DT    88.5   CHEYENNE, WY               LICENSED   08/15/2001 K209DC    89.7   EVANSTON, WY               LICENSED   10/25/2001 K217DG    91.3   RAWLINS, WY                LICENSED   08/27/2002

....and that is as of 12/29/2007 from http://crtech.org/fxactive.html. Looks more than 21 to me, what do you think? - NeutralHomer T:C 05:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * A potentially lovely violation of WP:NOT, that's for sure. Regardless, as RadioTranslators is not intended to be used the way you are using it in the Moody page (or, as you falsely accused me of using it, originally), the point is moot. Archiving. JPG-GR (talk) 05:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Courtesy Post
Template_talk:RadioTranslators - NeutralHomer T:C 05:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism Warning
I have reverted your massive amount of vandalism (to revert me) on ANI. I suggest you never do that again as it has gotten many in trouble. - NeutralHomer T:C 06:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Assume good faith. A slip of the keyboard, obviously. I was attempting to correct your modification of my indenting, which could be seen as editing another editor's comments. JPG-GR (talk) 06:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Riiight. - NeutralHomer T:C 06:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:AGF/WP:NPA JPG-GR (talk) 06:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

OK...
"one of the most insulting people I've ever come across in my entire time online" = violation of WP:NPA. - <font color="#0000C8">NeutralHomer T:C 06:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge tags
Well, that was a slight mistake on my part adding to the wrong page. But, if you would like to add a correct merge tag, then go right ahead. - <font color="#0000C8">NeutralHomer T:C 07:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

By The Way...
It appears the tags do work on templates...whodathunkit? Rock on....<font color="#0000C8">NeutralHomer T:C 07:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If you call this working. In other words, yes, when they are done correctly. But, not this time. JPG-GR (talk) 07:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Neat! Again, this wouldn't have happened...blah...blah...blah. - <font color="#0000C8">NeutralHomer  T:C 07:16, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If you didn't have my talkpage on your watchlist and were wikistalking me as admitted here? Yep, pretty much. JPG-GR (talk) 07:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Neat
So quick to remove your personal attack and archive it. Odd.

To respond, like I said, if you knew what you were doing, I wouldn't haven't to keep an eye on you....and if you think someone "keeping an eye" on you is "stalking", then you are just paranoid. When I show up at your door then...and only then...can you call it stalking. Okie dokie. - <font color="#0000C8">NeutralHomer T:C 07:20, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Did You Notice...
...that since your "Catch whomever tomorrow" post on ANI, you have remained online, not updating pages or creating new ones....but for the past 30 some odd minutes, you have been archiving your talk page. Odd for someone who says they are leaving, but almost looks like they are sitting and waiting for a post or something to comment on. Odd. - <font color="#0000C8">NeutralHomer T:C 07:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Wait...
Did you just remove something from your archive as vandalism and then archive it...again? Wait, what? - <font color="#0000C8">NeutralHomer T:C 07:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Helping with radio stuff
Think you can take a look at Template:AM_station_data & Template:FM_station_data and apply them to some other pages as needed? And thanks for the help on the bad Arbitron edits: their database lookup is screwy. Cwolfsheep (talk) 04:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Sigh
I noticed, from my watchlist (which Metros' talk page is on) this....

''Nothing bad yet, but after his unblock, User:Neutralhomer has resumed his stalking of my contribs, as shown here on a page he's never edited before. I don't want to "tattle", but this is how everything has started the last few times.''

You don't want to "tattle", but yet you did. Dude, you want to run and "tell the teacher" what bad ol' Neutral Homer did, that's fine....but there is nothing that says I can't edit a page that you have edited and nothing that says you can't do the same. I created WZFM...you want to edit it...you can. You probably created WBCT, but I can edit it.

So...what exactly is the big deal? Furthermore, what is your big deal with me? Seriously. - <font color="#0000C8">NeutralHomer T:C 21:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Courtesy Post
Here. - <font color="#0000C8">NeutralHomer T:C 22:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Before I Leave...
pierdolę cię. - <font color="#0000C8">NeutralHomer T:C 05:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:CIVILITY. JPG-GR (talk) 05:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Protected
I've semi-protected your page for 2 weeks. I hope you don't mind, Metros (talk) 06:23, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No problemo. :) JPG-GR (talk) 06:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

CIMX
Hey there, you yourself removed the airstaff line up information for the same reason! Dp76764 (talk) 02:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Almost. I removed the program lineup. A small difference, but it seems to be the established line for WP:NOT in terms of radio station articles. *shrug* JPG-GR (talk) 05:05, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sheesh, subtle difference, no doubt. So, minus actual time schedules is good. Good to know! =)  Dp76764 (talk) 06:00, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing up Sora Takenouchi, I think I pretty much messed up when I tried to revert the vandalism. --RandomOrca2 (talk) 21:02, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

WONG
After creating the article, I moved WONG to WONG (AM) to avoid conflicts from Wong. - Dravecky (talk) 06:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. After a while, callsigns don't look like words anymore and I hadn't even considered that possibility. JPG-GR (talk) 00:03, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

WGER
Hi. I just want to say that it wasn't me who added all the content; I found it randomly on recent changes. I've re-added all of the earlier history part, as it's also relevant, and the early parts about the other station on the frequency give background about the frequency swap. Other parts are completely WGER and seem to have been deleted anyways, which I also re-added. - Oreo Priest  00:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So, I should add the history of Canada to United States because it's relevant? JPG-GR (talk) 00:27, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:CSD G6
I believe you are improperly citing WP:CSD G6 throughout the discussions found at WP:TfD. G6 is used for housekeeping tasks, such as deleting a clear speedy that is currently preventing a move, etc. I am yet to see a template on WP:TfD within the last few weeks that could even remotely be deleted per CSD G6. JPG-GR (talk) 01:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comment on my user talk page and I'm interested in your interpretation of G6. I disagree at the moment, but I've posted an inquiry  here to see what others think about the general concept.  Basically, I think the ones I've tagged are "Non-controversial maintenance" and in most cases I believe WP:SNOW would be equally applicable - we are clogging the system by running the process when there is no other possible outcome.  However, I am interested in your thoughts on this, either on my talk page or at CSD.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 06:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you DEFINITELY can't claim WP:SNOW when you're the first to weigh in in most of the cases you've participated in. If you think "the system is being clogged", those noms should have been combined. Saying that "there is no other possible outcome" is kinda close-minded. Moreover, when a template is claimed to be deprecated but the replacement template isn't even listed (i.e. incomplete nomination), a claim of speedy delete is questionable at best. JPG-GR (talk) 06:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There is nothing about WP:SNOW that requires the process run at all. It simply says when the outcome is a forgone conclusion there's no need to run the process. --Doug.(talk • contribs) 21:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And I think that if you think something is a "forgone conclusion," especially so often, you need to take a step back and re-evaluate the situation. JPG-GR (talk) 21:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

CSD G6 - Housekeeping. Non-controversial maintenance, such as temporarily deleting a page to merge page histories, performing uncontroversial page moves, or cleaning up redirects.

WITR and WONG
So what about WITR vs Witr is worthy of a disambiguation page that is lacking from WONG vs Wong? Just curious. - Dravecky (talk) 09:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure what you mean. JPG-GR (talk) 16:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

TFD
Don't remove my comments. Phil Sandifer (talk) 04:40, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't make repeated comments that don't contribute to the discussion and cite a non-existant policy? JPG-GR (talk) 05:21, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

WSJM-FM and WCNF articles.
Hi, and thanks for your help. It's a bit confusing but basically the 2 stations swapped frequencies. This was supposed to happen all at once but they decided to take 2 weeks to do it and placed the WSJM-FM call letters on 98.3 temporarily. I'm trying to keep the history with the frequency because that would be consistent with other call changes/frequency swaps. I moved WSJM-FM back to WCSY-FM to try and do the call sign moves myself but it still wouldn't let me so I put the tags on. Sorry it's so confusing, I knew it would be. Thanks again. RobDe68 (talk) 23:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The problem with keeping the histories exclusively with the frequencies is sometimes it just doesn't make practical sense. There's really no tried-and-true rule to keep histories with callsigns or frequencies or formats - just gotta roll with whatever the situation happens to be. At this point, I think the histories are all covered somewhere, and as long as each article mentions that swap so that a reader can check the other stations if that's what they're looking for, we're all good.
 * And, I agree that it was/is confusing. That's why I avoid these multi-switches like the plague, preferring to let someone else get the ball rolling and then I'll slap on the paint & plaster where needed. Thanks! :) JPG-GR (talk) 00:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You've done as much radio page edits as me if not more so I'll go with your assertion. I just want to leave you with one example that bothers me and leave at that. It's the main reason I didn't just go ahead and make the same changes you just did. Example: if you go back in history right now for WSJM-FM which is on 94.9 FM you eventually get history for WCSY, which was never on that frequency and likewise for the 98.3 frequency. To me that's akin to a cut and paste move which I always thought was a big no-no. Anyways thanks for the help. RobDe68 (talk) 00:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I knew I read it somewhere about moving the frequency page to the new call sign and here it is. I am going to stick to my guns and say I think the previous WCNF (94.9) article should be moved to WSJM-FM and vice versa so that frequency history stays in tact. It's a pain but it really needs to be done this way. Unfortunately I have no powers in these matters so it's going to have to bug me for eternity or at least until I bug enough admins. ;) RobDe68 (talk) 01:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a WP:WPRS-guideline that certainly doesn't cover every situation, especially a complicated triple-switch like this. At this point, everything is already in the proper places and the article histories are completely intertwined. JPG-GR (talk) 01:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks from Happy-melon
I just wanted to say thanks for your support for my RfA, which closed (74/2/0) this morning. Your comment and support was very much appreciated. Looking forward to joining you on TfD with my shiny new admin bit! <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 09:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats! JPG-GR (talk) 17:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Radio station logos in state categories
I notice you've removed several images from the Radio stations in Virginia category. I also notice they are gone in West Virginia's category. Did I miss a discussion in WP:WPRS?--Rtphokie (talk) 14:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the better questions is did I miss a discussion at WP:WPRS, as radio station logos have never been put into these categories, save single ones accidentally here and there, until you've started to do so. JPG-GR (talk) 17:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

List of radio stations in Rhode Island
The reason I keep making sure the -LP stations is that I take broadcasting seriously. Several years ago the National Association of Broadcasters fought hard for L.P.F.M.s to not become reality; meanwhile some of their members kept buying stations & putting out shoddy product. When L.P.F.M. was allowed, I was ecstatic because it meant that smaller broadcasters could finally get back in to the game. Now granted a lot of these stations have fallen into the hands of users not really imagined by the grassroots (a lot of churches to serve as just repeaters for national feeds) & to be honest, those stations I don't really care about, personally. But there are the broadcasters that do try to serve their communities & seemingly the 2 L.P.F.M.s in R.I. are such stations. Conversely, having worked as an engineer @ WRJI, I'd say that station is pretty irrelevant & yet it still is in the list just because it has a full-power license (not that I want it wiped from the list- the list by title is "List of radio stations in Rhode Island." Therefore it has to be inclusive (actually it should technically read "List of licensed broadcast radio stations in Rhode Island" to keep stations like "WXIN", the unlicensed Rhode Island College station which seems to run higher power than it should, off the list).  What I am confused on is why you think -LPs should be stricken as if they don't exist.  The list should be accurate, which is what I'm fighting for.  Whether or not the stations individually are notable should be whether or not their own pages are worthy.  I have seen WBLQ-LP listed in the Providence Journal Sunday edition in the T.V. section (they publish a list of stations). I don't know if that would make WBLQ-LP worthy of keeping on the list for you. If you don't mind me asking: do you dislike -LPs or is it because of what has been discussed on WPRS? In either case, what about stations that are full-power (A.M.: all licensed classes, F.M.: classes A-C & possibly old Ds) but carry no real notability, such as WDIS-Norfolk, Ma. & WRJI-East Greenwich, R.I., for example.

The other problem I see it with issues of notability is that stations that are not notable today may become notable tomorrow. WDIS may stop regurgitating satellite feeds & become a damn good local broadcaster. For a list, at least the R.I. list because of the title at the very least, the L.P.s should stay. Honestly, the other states should follow suit (wouldn't be the 1st time the rest of the country has followed Rhode Island, we burned the tax collector ship H.M.S. Gaspee 6/9-10/1772 & were 1st to renounce the throne on 5/4/1776) because of what they are- lists of stations. The issue of notability should then be determined by if the stations have their own pages.

I'm sure you've fallen asleep reading this. I will look @ WPRS. 73.Stereorock (talk) 01:02, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If you feel so passionately about the inclusion of the LPFM stations in these lists, I would gladly support your adding them to the 50 lists. However, until that is the case, there is no reason why this list should be different from the other 49. If you intend to add the stations, let me know, and I might be able to help. Until then, I'm reverting it back. JPG-GR (talk) 02:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Template:CAint
Please do not remove this. The debation is not closed yet. We must wait until someone comment this.-- Freewayguy ( Meet ) 20:52, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The discussion has not and will not start as you did not post in the proper location. Until you do, no discussion can begin. Please reread the instructions at WP:TFD and follow them closely. Thanks. JPG-GR (talk) 07:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks
For reverting db-t3. I meant to be editing User:CBM/Sandbox3 but I seem to have closed the wrong window. By the time I realized my mistake, you had fixed it. Thanks. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 03:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No problemo. :) JPG-GR (talk) 03:56, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Since then, I made the changes I was looking for in my sandbox and edited the main template. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 04:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's gotta be some way to automatically insert the date - I just can't seem to put my finger on it at the moment. Something along the lines of  subst: date . But, there's too many variable calls and I've been up too long today to piece it together tonight. JPG-GR (talk) 04:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It might be necessary to subst the template to make that work; that won't work right now because old template is a soft redirect, not a real redirect. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 04:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi there. I noticed your edits to, and wondered if there was any way I could help.  What, exactly, are you trying to do (or have you already managed it)?? <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 18:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Trying to figure out how to put the date in automatically when the pages are tagged. It just seems weird for one of the required user-inputted variables to have to be the date. Then again, I'm not familiar with any of the other speedy templates requiring dates. It just seems kinda weird. JPG-GR (talk) 19:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not possible - it has to be given as a parameter. What we can do, and what I probably will do at some point, is create a substituted wrapper template, like  is for .  That sort of template can be worked to include the date automatically.  <b style="color:forestgreen;">Happy</b>‑<b style="color:darkorange;">melon</b> 09:30, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Wmgc.jpg
Hi, we meet again. I uploaded a new image for WMGC because you could barely make out the original. But then I noticed that the logo had actually changed so I thought I'd add it as an old logo to keep the image from being orphaned. If you have admin rights I guess you can delete the old logo since they seem to frown on jpgs anyway. Let me know what you end up doing just for curiosity sake. Thanks again. RobDe68 (talk) 02:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

The return of Neutralhomer
Just a heads-up, given your frictions with him, but User:Neutralhomer seems to have reincarnated himself as -- he really really couldn't break himself of his low-impulse stalking behavior. --Calton | Talk 05:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * do you intend to report Flatsky as a Neutralhomer sock?


 * No point: he's not banned, and it doesn't appear, at first glance, as if he's used it abusively (no double-voting, supporting himself in edit wars, etc.). I only mention it if he, as he usually does, starts up his usual behavior, you know who he is. --Calton | Talk 09:16, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, in that case, thanks for the heads up. :) JPG-GR (talk) 09:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Whoops, I was wrong: it turns out he'd been blocked for a month starting January 10th, and therefore was evading the block by using a sockpuppet. The new identity's been permablocked by Metros. --Calton | Talk 13:23, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for pointing this out to me so that the appropriate penalty could be dished out. JPG-GR (talk) 18:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've chatted User:Neutralhomer about several radio station articles in West Virginia and Virginia and this person seemed reasonable to me. I'm curious, what friction has there been between you two and what led up to his banning?--Rtphokie (talk) 12:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:Element infobox templates
Yeah, I am moving away the infoboxes from the articles to templates for various reasons, some of which are discussed here. If you want to help you are very welcome. Thanks. Nergaal (talk) 03:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

moving articles and creating DABs
When moving articles and creating DAB pages, it would be helpful if you updated the article name in the fair use information in the logos. BOTs are tagging these images for deletion and if they aren't caught within a week, they are being deleted.--Rtphokie (talk) 14:47, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no intention of fixing FURs for images when you keep creating pages at the wrong place or taking part in moves that violate the naming conventions for radio station articles. If you're gonna blindly mass produce radio articles, you should probably learn to create them in the right place first. JPG-GR (talk) 04:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * These articles are created according to the naming conventions spelled out by WP:WPRS and FURs are created with those article names.  In general, the radio station articles I'm creating are redlinked articles on List of radio stations in statename for U.S. states and territories and are then moved in cases where the FCC assigned callsign is different (i.e. -FM or -LP) or where other editors have incorrectly linked them ending in -AM.  If you have a more specific concern about the naming conventions, please let me know or I wont be able to fix it.   General criticisms aren't helpful.  Also, any suggestions on how I might know how an article that I'm about to create might at some point in the future have a conflict with another similarly named article so that it needs to be disambiguated with an (AM) or (FM) in the name, I'd be happy to take that into consideration (i.e. what resources are you using to find ICAO uses of these names or are you just using FCC resources?).  Also see my response to your comment about the moves.  Editors make mistakes sometimes and I don't appreciate the implication that it is either chronic or habitual.--Rtphokie (talk) 12:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem is chronic. If one were to make a list of all the radio station articles I've had to move over the past 9 months, you are definitely in the lead in terms of being the creator of the most. Granted, much of that would be due to being unfamiliar with the naming conventions in the past - all of the major contributors (myself, NH, Dravecky, etc.) had similar problems. You just need to keep a closer eye on creating these articles at the right place when you are mass-producing them. JPG-GR (talk) 02:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

KBEW
I would suggest creating and populating the articles for each station before creating a disambiguation page. Good Luck! JPilborough-Leave Message 18:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My fellow editors from WP:WPRS are handling that part. I'm just laying the foundations. JPG-GR (talk) 18:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've taken care of KBEW, are there other recently created DAB pages that contain nothing but red links? These are frowned upon by many.  I'd be happy to help create stubs for them.--Rtphokie (talk) 12:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Your edits
I apologize if this sounds rude, but your dab edits appear as if they are made by a BOT; very fast, very similar, and same edit summary. A person can go that fast, but I find it rather hard without an automated tool. Cheers! <font size="2.5" color="blue">&Lambda;ua&int; Wi  se  (Operibus anteire) 20:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, not a bot. Just a combination of utilizing the various List of radio stations in STATE lists, the FCC database, a subst dab template (User:JPG-GR/Template:RadioDab), and 80+ WPM typing. :-) JPG-GR (talk) 20:24, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

hello JPG-GR:
I'd appreciate having my revisions remain in the article page. I believe they form a more complete history of WNMC. The omission of station members names is intended to allow the focus to remain on the station rather than select volunteers. The administrators' actions referred to are important because they show the dynamic tension between student's free speech and the administrators' desire to control events and limit criticicism of their actions and policies. I believe the info is relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Politicaldiscrimination (talk • contribs) 09:22, February 15, 2008

Hello again JPG-GR:
And what sources may I find to verify the article version that you have created and reinstated? Again, I'm new here and may be missing something, is there a link to any of the previous articles that display primary or secondary sources? I strongly object to your complete removal of the article, certainly some info is not contested, nor is it any less verified than much of your preferred version/contribution. Won't you please be more choosey in what you remove? I am a primary source since I was an officer from 1984-1991. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Politicaldiscrimination (talk • contribs) 20:17, February 15, 2008
 * Your large "cut & paste" of station history is completely ridiculous when no source is provided. Moreover, if your source is -you-, you are in violation of WP:OR.
 * Additionally, please stop posting at the top of my talk page and OVER previous content. Thanks. JPG-GR (talk) 01:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

96-3 WDVD Airstaff Edit
Okay, I don't mean to be rude, but if you actually listen to 96-3 you will hear J.P Wagner or Pat Tullio during the weekends and you keep deleting there names because it is not on the website! You don't have to go by the internet all the time, just listen to your radio (or online) The website is not always correct. Anyway all I am trying to say is stop deleting people that are actually there, so what if it is not sourced online, they are there. Thanks Joemama993 (talk) 2:26, 15, February 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 02:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Your invitation to listen to the radio station is irrelevant, as anything gleamed from doing that would be a violation of WP:OR. If you can't provide a reliable source that they are DJs there, they can't be included. Moreover, this is a reason why these sections don't belong in the articles in the first place, but that's another story... JPG-GR (talk) 02:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should contact the station and encourage them to update their site? JPG-GR (talk) 02:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello JPG-GR: Is this the spot to enter a new talk? Sorry. I'm still getting a grip on the wiki rules and tools. I notice the "Not the truth but verifyable" rule. I appreciate your feedback.

I'm still hoping you could answer my last talk's questions about how the current article may be verified in all its details. Is this a question of user research, or is it accomplished with some background verification that can be posted?Politicaldiscrimination (talk) 05:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You probably want to read over WP:CITE, which explains the why's, when's, and how's. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see articles such as WNMC-FM expanded, but such a large text addition with no sourcing whatsoever is worrisome. If the station has a website which can verify some of that (and doesn't violate copyright rules), that would suffice. JPG-GR (talk) 05:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Requested moves: Hornitos Beach
While it might be argued whether moving Bío-Bío Region, Coyhaique, Huerta de Maule, Til-Til, Aysen and Aysén Region is controversial (even though official documents do not use these names), it is unarguably uncontroversial to move Hornitos Beach, as the article is not about the beach, but about the town, which is unarguably called Hornitos not Hornitos Beach. ☆ CieloEstrellado 20:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but you didn't explain that there. JPG-GR (talk) 06:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of WBCH-FM
I have nominated WBCH-FM, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/WBCH-FM. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Gary King (talk) 21:30, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Requested split: Hip dysplasia - in animals AND Hip dysplasia - in humans
Sorry, this is a bit more than I'm able to do. I haven't found out how to "tag the article" (I usually copy the functional stuff from other areas of the page where they worked, my keyboard settings don't seem to produce the same results even if the same characters get displayed) I looked under Wikihelp but the instructions on splitting unfortunately were way over my head. My sincerest apologies for troubling you again, but if you could plse. either tag or split the article, so that the human stuff could go on a separate page I'd be most grateful. (I'm pretty sure I could copy out the relevant sections once the new page exists and I have some material to get the new page off to a good start.) A million thanks for your time. Lisa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.23.251 (talk) 09:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ -JPG-GR (talk) 17:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

move/rename requests
Hi. I would like to know where exactly would be the place to go to do this? and maybe you can give me tips on how to prepare and undergo the proposals because obviously I have no clue about it. Thanks. − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  <sup style="color:#082567;">kaiden  07:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I just spent 90 minutes cleaning out Category:Requested moves, so you're gonna have to be a little more specific as to what you are referring to. :) JPG-GR (talk) 07:18, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well what can be moved and such like the Category:Sludge metal groups should have been Category:Sludge metal musical groups. I was basically waiting for someone to help with the move/merge. Also images can't be renamed? is reuploading the only way? In general I want to know the correct places to go and how to go through with the process. − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  <sup style="color:#082567;">kaiden  07:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Regarding images, the only way for them to exist at a different name is for them to be re-uploaded. There is no way to move them.
 * In terms of categories, visit WP:CfD - all the details for renaming, moving, deleting, etc. categories is there for you. Hope that helps. JPG-GR (talk) 07:52, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I'll come to you if I have any further questions. :) − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  <sup style="color:#082567;">kaiden  08:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Lewinsky scandal
Hello - thank you for closing the move proposal, but the section now reads "The result of the proposal was" followed by "POV issue: Title must be changed" - which looks like the result was agreement with the proposal to change the title, but in fact the result was to oppose it. I think you just forgot to finish the sentence "The result of the proposal was ___" - I'd fix it myself, but since it's in a closed section it's probably better for the closer to do it. Thanks. Tvoz | talk 08:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops. Sorry about that. Fixed now. JPG-GR (talk) 17:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Image:Lepdio root bottom.jpg
Hello, I notice you removed a move request for this misnamed image. Do you have any suggestions about how the image could be moved to its correct location? Thanks.

Verisimilus  T  08:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not possible to move images. In order to change tht etitle of this image, it must be re-uploaded at the new position. JPG-GR (talk) 17:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

rubric
The proposal was: " I'm proposing that both this badly misnamed article and Rubric (ecclesiastical) should be merged to Rubric - I have moved the disam contents out to Rubric (disambiguation)." - ie merged to a new title, ie moved. Plus Anthony Appleyard has meged to the wrong version of the disam page, listing redirect etc. I have reverted your "closings" as so far we have only gone backwards. Johnbod (talk) 17:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that's been the problem all along. You are looking to perform a merge, but WP:RM only handles moves. While re-opening a closed discussion is technically a no-no, go ahead. However, I would advise against re-adding to WP:RM. JPG-GR (talk) 17:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I have done the merge. Rubric (ecclesiastical) is just a redirect. All you were asked to do is the move. Johnbod (talk) 17:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You're gonna need to open another request for that one, as that's differs from the original request, (Rubric (typography) → Rubric). JPG-GR (talk) 17:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * (Grits teeth) No, just do the original request please. Johnbod (talk) 17:54, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The original request has already come to a conclusion. User:Anthony Appleyard merged the two dab pages. JPG-GR (talk) 17:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Which is NOT what was asked for, plus he merged to the old outdated version. Johnbod (talk) 17:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have further moves to request, you're gonna need to open a new request. JPG-GR (talk) 18:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, AA has done it now. I'll remove from moves request page, if he hasn't. Johnbod (talk) 18:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Move request
Why was the request removed from here and a comment made there was no consensus when there is only positive support for the move ChessCreator (talk) 18:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * My apologies - I only saw the first request and saw that it has been closed. I've restored the notice. JPG-GR (talk) 18:43, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

KAGO
Hi. I see you created this disambiguation page yesterday. It currently contains only two redlinks. Are you planning on creating these articles (if, of course, they are notable for Wikipedia) shortly? If not, I plan to nominate that disambiguation page for deletion, as it seems pointless to have a disambiguation page when there are no targets to link to. - Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) • I'm watching this page so just reply to me right here! 09:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You aren't the first to ask - I'm going through and creating all the framework dab pages when more than one station shares a callsign, and then my fellow members of WP:WPRS will come through and create the actual articles. It appears, however, that this one's already been deleted. Oh well. JPG-GR (talk) 18:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you've probably already discussed this in the WikiProject, but perhaps it would be better to create the articles first, and then create the disambiguation page afterwards, so that you avoid the risk of the dab-pages getting deleted. - Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) • I'm watching this page so just reply to me right here! 10:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The main reason for the order is the fact that naming conventions for all things FCC is kinda crazy for someone who isn't overly familiar with them. If the WMF had $1 for every time a radio or television station article had to be moved, they could skip fundraising for a year ;) JPG-GR (talk) 18:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

WDVD
You are aware, I hope, that by allowing the weekend/fill-in DJs to remain on the WDVD article that you're setting a dangerous precedent, right? None of those DJs should be included, unless their individual notability can be shown, in my opinion.--InDeBiz1 (talk) 04:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm setting no precedent whatsoever. As long as WP:NOT is followed, all is well. The listings for WDVD are currently within the already established precedent in regards to that policy, and your opinion in the matter does not trump previous consensus. JPG-GR (talk) 05:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I like your tone toward me in your last sentence, sir. However, that aside, what previous consensus in regard to this specific example?  Please explain, using this "consensus," what would stop me from going to the KSLZ page and listing myself, Jeff Collins, Sean Kelley, Jay Maddox, Meatball, Chase Michaels, and others listed on the radio station's official website in its Wikipedia article?--InDeBiz1 (talk) 05:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * What's to stop you from doing it? WP:COI. (However, it should be noted you've already added the "main" staff (here). :::What's to stop me from doing it? Nothing. However, I wouldn't add them for two reasons - (1) I'm not familiar with KSLZ, and barring assorted cleanup work, have no reason to edit the content and (2) the list of DJs, as found on the station's website is easily longer than the current content of the article - and that just doesn't make a good article. JPG-GR (talk) 05:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

move
hi,

If move requests need to be copied somewhere, go ahead and do it, but don't delete the request. Or should I simply move articles without discussion? kwami (talk) 01:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Which move are you referring to? JPG-GR (talk) 02:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I just checked your contribs - you haven't requested any moves within at least the last four months. *confused* JPG-GR (talk) 02:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * And, now I have found it - you must not have read my edit summary or the template you posted on Talk:Initiation (phonetics). In order to request a move, you have to complete the move request procedure as outlined at WP:RM. If not, the move template means nothing. JPG-GR (talk) 02:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. I was reading the move template itself, which indicates that I shouldn't do anything at WP:RM. kwami (talk) 03:57, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Umm... from the template: "The proposed move should have been noted at Wikipedia:Requested moves." JPG-GR (talk) 04:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly: A description of what should have happened when you added the template, presumably through a bot (as when you request image deletion on Commons), not instructions on what to do now that you have added the template. And below that, it says that the Requested Moves page is for maintenance only -- in other words, "Hands off". kwami (talk) 07:15, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I do see how the description is kinda poorly written. As for the "maintenance only" thing - many templates say that and none of them mean "hands off." JPG-GR (talk) 00:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Template Merge
Thanks for merging the templates. I wasn't sure whether you normally have to list each one individually or if merging them was okay. Strongsauce (talk) 00:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No problemo. JPG-GR (talk) 00:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

move/rename requests
Hello again, I'm having some template trouble on the category page Category:Sludge metal groups. Could you fix it to direct it to a discussion from February 23? (1st one on the bottom). Thanks. Also sorry for replying there, I'm new with this whole archived thing, don't know if I need to re-add that here to continue it then. − ₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ <font color="#082567">kaiden 00:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ - JPG-GR (talk) 01:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

WVRV
While I acknowledge that the database shows it's still operating under a construction permit, I only added WVRV after multiple trustworthy reports on RadioInfo that the station is actually on the air and broadcasting at full power, albeit with a temporary format. - Dravecky (talk) 01:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * WVRW is operating as I type this. The FCC website normally has a day or two delay in updates, so it is not always accurate.  I would suggest, that next time, you trust the information people give rather than deciding to trust something you read on the internet.  You know the old saying....- Tehunknown (talk) 00:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm familiar with the old saying, yes - which is why I've no reason to trust what you're saying vs. the FCC. I don't deny that the FCC database is usually a little behind, but until I see some evidence that the station is fully licensed, it doesn't belong on the list. JPG-GR (talk) 08:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ....and who died and left you in charge? I think someone needs to read WP:OWN real bad.  Now, I am not required to provide you with any proof what-so-ever about WVRW's exsistence, not alone whether it is broadcasting or not, but to stroke your ego a little.....  Now, I suggest you read up on WP:OWN.  I have been here just a short while and I already know you are breaking that rule.  You have a good day, sir. - Tehunknown (talk) 22:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Me, no. But, all information added to Wikipedia must be be able to be verified by reliable sources. So far, I've provided the FCC database showing that the station is not fully licensed yet. You have refused to provide any such info, and attacked me with your edit summary here. Please read WP:NPA before continuing in this fashion. Thanks. JPG-GR (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Obviously you don't read the links provided, so allow me to spell them out for you. http://www.wvbroadcasting.net/index.htm/viewtopic.php?t=14877 - Tehunknown (talk) 22:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ....and even better, their (rather poorly put together) website.... http://wvrwfm.com/ - Tehunknown (talk) 22:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Online discussion forums are not a reliable source. Moreover, I'm not contesting the creation of WVRW. I am contesting it's inclusion in List of radio stations in West Virginia, as the FCC database still does not show it as being fully licensed and operational. JPG-GR (talk) 22:44, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoa, we have a slight problem and a total mistake on my part. I went slightly dyslexic and put this under the "WVRV" (which is a station in Alabama) header and I am talking about "WVRW" (which is a station in West Virginia).  Total mistake on my part and I do apologize.  I have split the conversations apart.  Again, I apologize as this was a misread my myself. - Tehunknown (talk) 22:50, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not your mistake - Dravecky was referring to the same station, and we've just gone on following the typo, apparently. JPG-GR (talk) 22:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. My question then is, do we add WVRW to the state listing page giving benefit of doubt that the FCC might be a little slow or just leave it be until the FCC updates? - Tehunknown (talk) 23:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * We wait until the FCC updates, unless an reasonably equally reliable source can be provided. JPG-GR (talk) 23:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Works for me, I guess. I will keep an eye on WDTV and WBOY (my local TV stations) in case they run a story and I will in the Times West Virginian (local newspaper) for a story, if there was one. - Tehunknown (talk) 23:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Whatever you like. It's probably all unnecessary, as the FCC database probably will show it operational in a couple days anyway. JPG-GR (talk) 23:07, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It was :) As usual, the local TV stations and the big newspaper forgot about little Gilmer County AGAIN.  Oh well...the price you pay for living in a small community, I guess. - Tehunknown (talk) 23:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

WFHL (FM) vs WFHL FM
Just wondering why you reverted the move. Surely without the brackets is the correct way? I've personally not encountered this before. Paul20070 (talk) 19:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * WFHL (FM) is the correct way. JPG-GR (talk) 19:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Does this rule apply to all radio stations with FM in their title, or just this one? Paul20070 (talk) 19:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Feel free to read up on the radio station naming conventions, explained in detail at WP:WPRS. JPG-GR (talk) 19:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks for the advice. I hope you'll accept my apologies for a genuine mistake. Cheers Paul20070 (talk) 19:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No problemo. The radio station naming conventions aren't exactly simple math. JPG-GR (talk) 19:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

move
Superb! Thanks. 86.44.6.14 (talk) 08:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

My request for bureaucratship
<div style="float:center;border-style:double;border-color:#FFFFFF;background-color:#00A693;border-width:2px;text-align:left;font-family: Trebuchet MS, sans-serif; font-size: 95%; padding:8px; -moz-border-radius: 1em;" class="plainlinks"> Dear JPG-GR, thank you for taking part in my RfB. As you may know, it was not passed by bureaucrats. I would, however, like to thank you for taking the time to voice your support, despite concerns cited by the opposition. Although RfA/B isn't really about a person, but more about the community, I was deeply touched and honoured by the outpouring of support and interest in the discussion. I can only hope that you don't feel your opinion was not considered enough - bureaucrats have to give everyone's thoughts weight. I also hope that the results of this RfB lead to some change in the way we approach RfBs, and some thought about whether long-entrenched standards are a good thing in our growing and increasingly heterogenous community. I was a little miserable after the results came out, so I'm going to spread the love via dancing hippos. As you do. :) I remain eager to serve you as an administrator and as an editor. If at any point you see something problematic in my actions, please do not hesitate to call me out. ~ Riana ⁂ 11:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Username pronunciation
How do you pronounce your username?. Mythdon (talk) 05:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * JPG-GR. JPG-GR (talk) 05:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you mean just pronounce each letter one by one?. Mythdon (talk) 05:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Merge
Hi. :) With respect to your merger of information at List of radio stations in California, please remember to note the merger not only in the edit summary at the destination article, but also in the source article. I have done so at List of radio stations in Stockton. This is important to ensure that future editors of the article realize that it must be retained for GFDL compliance and, if it is turned into a redirect, should be placed into Category:Redirects from merges. Thanks. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what particular edit you are referring to. JPG-GR (talk) 00:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * After going through the rest of my watchlist, I've figured out what you're talking about, but it doesn't really apply - all the information I filled in in the state list I acquired from a separate source. JPG-GR (talk) 00:29, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

RM disclaimer
I actually like your idea of adding a disclaimer to Template:RMtalk. I was just wondering why it didn't show up after the substitution process. —  AjaxSmack   02:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It was just something I through in there one late night while trying to clean up the backlog (which is now many times worse than it was then). Didn't really give it much in depth thought for general use. JPG-GR (talk) 02:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It might be something worth pursuing. I often post RMs that I am neutral on or opposed just to stimulate discussion or end move warring.  Although it's usually clear from the nom, it'd be nice if the nominator gave explicit support for a proposal.  Maybe I'll mention it at the RM talk page.  —   AjaxSmack   15:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. If I get some time, I'll see what I can do with the code. JPG-GR (talk) 15:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

GIS applications: Moving vs Merge?
I acknowledge, I note, and now I will take your advice that I could/should be bold and merge tagged/nominated/notified pages into GIS applications rather than ask WP:RM to move them.

I myself was under the misapprehension(?) <ol> <li>merging multiple pages involves cutting, pasting, re-writing and effectively leaving behind as redirect elsewhere -  all history and acknowledgement of other's edits/work</li>

<li>moving multiple pages would effectively preserve all history and acknowledgement of other's edits/works within the history of the new named, combined article</li> </ol>

Was I mistaken?!! Bruceanthro (talk) 02:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You are right on both counts, but you can't move 4 articles into one. If you're going to merge everything into one article, do so, and then tag the old articles (now redirects) with R from merge. JPG-GR (talk) 02:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks .. that was useful! Cheers Bruceanthro (talk) 04:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

For Your Eyes Only and Enel
I have deleted the pages as you requested. ... disco spinster   talk  19:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Many thanks - trying to work through the backlog at WP:RM. JPG-GR (talk) 19:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

IP vandal
Just to let you know that 86.17.120.214 continues to vandalise pages (normally by removing the word "children" on pages related to children's programmes). Might be worth assessing if s/he should get a temporary block! Rapido (talk) 00:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Category moves
Category moves aren't attended to on the page you sent me to (probably because pages in particular subject areas don't interest the editors who frequent articles in those subject areas), so I placed it at the actual page so that editors active in that subject area might notice it, and that perhaps an admin will eventually notice and move the page. If you had spent the 30 seconds it would have taken to actually move the category rather than laboriously remove my posting and write to me, three times, it would have been much more economical, and would have wasted less bandwidth. It's never too late to do that. Kindly let me know when you've moved the category, thanks. Badagnani (talk) 19:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Category moves are attended to at that page. WP:CFR points to Categories for discussion, which covers category deletions, merges, renames, and conversions to articles. Additionally, categories are generally not moved without a prior discussion at WP:CFD. Moreover, it would not have taken 30 seconds for me to move the category, as I do not possess the ability to do so.
 * If you are intending for editors who have that category watched to join the discussion, I'd recommend posting as such on the category talk page as opposed to using move, which puts it into Category:Requested moves, a category I frequently patrol as part of my work at WP:RM. JPG-GR (talk) 19:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Category moves are not attended to on that page. I'm watching one now being studiously ignored. Removing the "move" tag repeatedly was wasteful of bandwidth and if you wanted to add it at the page you sent me to, you could have done so in a manner much less wasteful of bandwidth. The Wiki functionality should be as streamlined as possible and placing a "move" tag is entirely appropriate if a user wishes for a page to be considered for moving. Badagnani (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By repeatedly stating that "category moves are not attended to on that page" I can only presume you either have not read the entire procedure or can't be bothered to do so. If you want the category moved, that is the only way to carry out the request. While move is "appropriate for a page to be considered for moving", you are attempting to move a category, not an article. As for "streamlining the Wiki functionality", take that up at WP:PUMP. JPG-GR (talk) 20:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

KDAV
I am amazed at how some editors seem to just want to find fault with what other editors do. Before I edited KDAV, it was a mess (so much so that it actually had a user signature on the main page dating from February 27$th$). Now, it looks better and I had planned on doing more with it. Having never edited the article, you were obviously content to let it look as it did. However, as soon as you saw a little activity on the page, you jumped into action to see how you could undo my edits. Perhaps that energy could be better used improving articles that no one seems to care about rather than butting heads with editors who are trying to improve articles that need help.

Citing the FCC as a reason to revert my move is a poor argument. Is there a Wikipedia policy or guideline on this? If not, your reasoning is no better or worse than mine as far as a naming convention is concerned. If we're going to look to the government, then actors, etc., would always need to be located at their legal names rather than their stagenames. →Wordbuilder (talk) 21:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Naming conventions state that radio stations are to be located at their official callsign, whenever possible. In the case of the station you mentioned, that callsign is KDAV, and the article is now located at the correct location. JPG-GR (talk) 22:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply. Please point me to the Wikipedia guideline/policy on this. →Wordbuilder (talk) 22:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Naming conventions for radio stations are explained at WP:WPRS, which you may want to join if you edit often in this field. JPG-GR (talk) 22:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll give it a read. →Wordbuilder (talk) 23:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Budapest Defence
I count Users SyG, Pawnkingthree, ChessCreator, and Callmederek (me) for the move, Krakatoa and Sjakkalle "not caring", and absolutely no opposition unless you go back to July last year. Can't see "no consensus", and would request that you look again. Callmederek (talk) 21:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Firstly, consensus is not a !vote. From the looks of the evidence presented (as part of a 9 month discussion), there is support for both sides of the argument. When there is support on both sides and no side is clearly they "right" choice, moves are generally not made. JPG-GR (talk) 22:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello JPG-GR, and thanks for all the work you do on Moves. I am pretty new on rules for Moves, so excuse me if I aske tedious questions. Regarding the Budapest Defence, I understand your point about "no consensus", but then I fear there will never be a consensus on a move, unless it is classified as "uncontroversial". So what is the point of the section Requested moves as all "contested proposals" will be refused as "no consensus" ? Besides, the fact that all the references (see Budapest Defence) use the proposed new name should be enough to rename, no ? SyG (talk) 14:27, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The best I can recommend is keep citing sources until you're blue in the face. While 100% of the crowd will never agree with you, in time and with the right evidence, the majority will see the light, whatever that may be. JPG-GR (talk) 23:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

WSAN history merge with WKAP (former Allentown radio station).
I added a speedy delete history merge tag to WSAN to get the ball rolling on this history merge. The original article should have just been moved and updated when the call sign changed and there has been no objection since you originally tagged the articles. Seems cut and dry to me. RobDe68 (talk) 21:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No problems whatsoever. I've found that most of the XXXX (former Y radio station) articles have no need to exist as the station still exists under a different call, brand, whatever. Merge away! JPG-GR (talk) 22:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, they couldn't perform a history merge do to all the articles having concurrent edit histories. I moved the original article to WSAN with the most recent update (you know how I am about keeping the station history with the original article), moved the newer page to WSAN (FM) and made it a redirect. Believe it or not there was also a 3rd article made during the station's brief time as WYHM. I also made that page a redirect to the WYHM section. Lastly, I added a note on the talk page of where to find the other pages' histories since they can't be merged. That's about as good as it's gonna get. On to the next thing. RobDe68 (talk) 17:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Move of BMW F650GS and BMW R1200RT
Why did you move these pages? I had objected as had others. Consensus on a move had definitely not been reached. All we had was the rather forceful opinion of one IP user. Please reinstate the old name until true consensus can be reached. --TimTay (talk) 09:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Discussion was sparse at best, and due to the lack of any clear naming convention in this field, I felt it was best to go with the names given by the manufacturer. Feel free to continue discussing the issue at the appropriate talk page and if consensus does emerge to move them back, feel free to relist at WP:RM. JPG-GR (talk) 23:07, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There was no consensus to move, and no policy or guideline justifying the move, but they have been moved anyway. I think they should be moved back, and the move relisted to obtain consensus before moving them. Andrewa (talk) 00:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The IP user requesting the move provided evidence to back up his position. User:TimTay's argument (or lack thereof) did not cite any policy or guideline. If there is no opposition after 5 days, moves are to be completed - "there's a presumption of moving, since in most moves, there is no need for WP:RM."
 * User:TimTay is welcome to request a move, essentially undoing the move that was made, but would be well off to find a policy or guideline to support his position, as opposed to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. JPG-GR (talk) 05:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Georgia move closed
Can you update the discusion on the talk page to closed since the listing was removed from the request page as no consensus for a move? At the same time, closing the poll might also be advised. Thanks. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Normally, I would (and do). But, as the discussion is still active, I'd rather not cut anybody off before they have their say. It's quite clear no consensus is coming anytime soon, but discussion can never hurt. JPG-GR (talk) 23:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for moving Afzal Khan!
Just wanted to thank you for moving Afzul Khan to Afzal Khan (general); that's a very good compromise. Wish I'd thought of it :). Gaurav (talk) 03:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Edit on Sunny 99.9
It's Warner Robins, not Warner Robinson. chrismaster1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrismaster1 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What in the universe are you talking about? JPG-GR (talk) 05:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Category renames
Hi. Thanks for the courtesy of your message -- I have the feeling I'm being dumb asking this question, but what/where are these templates you mentioned...? Maybe I need to take a day or two! Sardanaphalus (talk) 18:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Umm... in Category:Latest stable software release templates and Category:Latest preview software release templates. JPG-GR (talk) 20:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had the dumb. Sorry and thanks for your mopwork. Sardanaphalus (talk) 22:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Web chat
Hi, just a note, that since the old Web chat page only contained a redirect to the Web chat site page, you could've just moved the page yourself. If there's nothing else in the history, a redirect won't block a move from the redirect target. I've moved it, just letting you know about that feature. - Bobet 23:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I knew that little factoid, but don't even bother looking anymore when it comes to WP:RM because that's so rarely the case. JPG-GR (talk) 00:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Article moves
I believe if a song's title is all caps, then the article about it should be in all caps too. If a song's title is all lower case, then the song's article should be in all lower case too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lily1104 (talk • contribs) 04:38 March 30, 2008
 * Irrelevant. You must follow WP:NC. JPG-GR (talk) 17:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Both Sony Music and the artist prove that those capitalisations are correct, see the official website at yui-net.com for proof. Please reply at my talk page. Lily1104 (talk) 07:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again, irrelevant. You must follow WP:NC. JPG-GR (talk) 17:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

question about callsign pages you worked on
Hi, JPG-GR. While doing clean up work as part of the disambiguation project, I came across WCAU which had 100+ links pointed at it. As they were all intended for WCAU TV, it made sense that, instead of disambiguating them all, to turn WCAU into a redirect as the only station (tv or radio) using that call sign currently and let the hatnote on wcau tv point to WCAU (disambiguation) as a true dab page. A little bit latter I ran into WJBK which is the same situation (only one current station using callsign) and saw you in the edit history for both pages. So, I thought I should touch base with you before I changed any more as a part of disambiguation and find out the story behind this. I would appreciate you dropping me a line on my talk page. Thanks. Gwguffey (talk) 03:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Those moves were both ill-advised - feel free to move them back. JPG-GR (talk) 17:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Great. Thanks. Gwguffey (talk) 18:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Template for incomplete RM's
Hi! Today I contributed to an RM in the incomplete section which many readers never check, and noticed most of the entries there seem to sit there and fester with their creators completely unaware.

In an attempt to help, I've created the following template to put on the user talk-page of the creator of an incomplete RM request to try and get them to format all the parts of the request properly:

article name

As someone who deals with incomplete RM requests, I'd be grateful if you could comment on it/improve it/use it/MfD it as you see appropriate. If it's useful, feel free to move it into Template: space for the benefit of others.

Thanks for your time, Knepflerle (talk) 16:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I like the idea and have made some modifications - definitely something that we can integrate after a few other people give it a thumbs up. Have you asked User:Anthony Appleyard for his input? JPG-GR (talk) 17:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, missed the message here at first! Yes, I let Anthony know and he moved it out of my user space into Template: space at Template:RMinc.  Wasn't sure who else to ask - most of the other regulars don't seem to bother much with the incomplete proposals section from my (very, very limited) experience.  I'll have a look at the page and have a think who else could help.  Thanks for the edits - I've transferred them to Template:RMinc.  Best, Knepflerle (talk) 21:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)