User talk:JPxG/Archive20

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Be warned. Liftmoduleinterface (talk) 10:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? If you disagree with something I've said or done, that's fine, but "you suck" isn't really something I can do anything about. jp×g 11:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Please DO NOT engage in "Edit Wars". If I have reverted your edit, it is not to be undone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liftmoduleinterface (talk • contribs)
 * I reverted it. If you do it again, I'll block you. Simple — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 11:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You can block me from Wikipedia. Can you hire armed security? #BigThoughts Liftmoduleinterface (talk) 11:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

What the fuck was that whole thing? jp×g 11:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * A pathetic child trying to be scary it seems — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 11:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * (urgh, wrong diff) — TheresNoTime (talk • she/her) 11:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Big if true. jp×g 11:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Recession RfC
I am a newcomer to this dustup at the Recession page. But it appears to me that you do not list the prior stable lead text as a simple option in the RfC. In my experience, more than 2-3 choices in an RfC lead to convoluted discussion and inconclusive results. SPECIFICO talk 13:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC) P.S. If Option 2 is identical to Option 7, perhaps that should be made clear and/or consolidated in some appropriate manner. SPECIFICO talk 14:47, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Relisting of decade-old AfDs?
Did you intend to relist and reopen decade-old AfDs as you did with Articles for deletion/Korbel Champagne Cellars, Articles for deletion/Farrah Sarafa (2nd nomination), and many others? There is nothing in Wikipedia guidelines about allowing an AfD from more than a decade ago to be reopened. There is also the issue that mixing AfD discussions with such a time gap makes it impossible to determine if consensus is achieved. If desired, those articles could always be brought up for a new AfD using the proper process (with the understanding a lot about the articles may have changed in 10 years and may totally meet notability standards today). Since it appears you used XFDcloser to do all this I'm wondering if the closer messed things up. Anyway, I've done procedural closes of all these AfDs and ask that if this was intentional you please not relist any more old AfDs from that long ago. Sincerely, --SouthernNights (talk) 13:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Likewise, can you follow up on Articles for deletion/Frano Selak? It seems like a clerical error; if a new AfD should be opened, it should be opened cleanly. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 15:26, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Done.--SouthernNights (talk) 15:33, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

I couldn't find anything to indicate a consensus either way on what happens in this situation, probably because the issue of orphaned AfDs not being caught is extremely rare. It requires a number of simultaneous errors to be made: the article itself has to have the AfD notice omitted, the header has to be formatted improperly, and the AfD has to fail to transclude properly on the daily logpage (if only two of these happen, it will be found and fixed, whether by a bot or by an editor).

Anyway, going all the way back to 2009, out of a few hundred thousand AfDs there have only been only 160 of these weird orphaned ones, all of which I fixed in the last couple days. The overwhelming majority were nonsense, jokes, bizarre sockpuppet crap, or obvious technical errors, but a small number of them genuinely seemed to seemed to be actually capable of fostering a productive discussion. When I started finding these, they were from 2022, so it seemed obvious that they ought to just be relisted, and 2020 similarly so. Of course, an AfD from 2004 (the oldest ones I found) would be preposterous to relist today, but I was not sure exactly where the boundary was.

Anyway, if some of them were kind of dumb, I was in a little bit of a pinch. Last night I had it winnowed down to the last ten or fifteen of these sorta-plausible AfDs, and I'd fixed the logpage and header errors, when CyberBot I started going apeshit and trying to relist them automatically and put AfD notices on the articles. I tried reverting a few times, but it insisted on doing it again every couple hours, and some of them were being delsorted and !voted on (which would have probably been an hour of work to undo), so I just said to hell with it and relisted all of them properly. I hadn't meant to flood out 15 of them in a row, but the bot was going to do it anyway so I figured it was better to at least be able to give some explanation.

Anyway, yeah, I thought about just closing all of them and reopening new AfDs for the plausible ones with the exact same nomination text, but that seemed like kind of an unnecessarily complex pain in the ass for everyone involved (it would be the exact same experience but everyone would have to click several extra links to look at old pages with the same content for "prior AfDs" that weren't prior at all). Honestly, it just seems kind of unnecessary to come up with any special procedure for these -- there are only a couple dozen from more than a decade of AfD, so I think they could just be reprocessed and done with. jp×g 17:23, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know what happened with Articles for deletion/Korbel Champagne Cellars, but the bottom template wasn't applied, causing the whole rest of today's logpage to break -- were you doing it manually or using XFDcloser? jp×g 17:36, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, my bad on that. Thanks for fixing it. SouthernNights (talk) 20:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

JPxG, I totally get what you were doing and I'm glad you cleaned up all those orphaned AfDs. I'd recommend just doing a procedural close on the remaining AfDs like this but adding a note that if anyone wants to start a new AfD they can do so. That avoids any possible confusion. As you said, it's not worth setting up a new procedure for all this. If there's anything I can do to help please let me know. And thanks for cleaning up all this old stuff! --SouthernNights (talk) 17:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In light of this conversation (as well as the ones at Special:Permalink/1100862815 and Special:Permalink/1100862815), I think it is condign for Deletion process to mention preposterous situations such as these. jp×g 03:23, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * FYI, I haven’t had the time or the spoons to analyze it in detail, but for whatever reason when these “fixed” nominations have been closed using XFDcloser (usually by Liz), there’s been a lot of cases of where the REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING template hasn’t been removed and I’ve had to go in and remove it manually to get them off the “discussion closed but still in CAT:AFD” list on WP:BADAFD. (shrug) --Finngall talk  14:25, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * For a couple of these, I messed up the formatting of the AfD header, so that REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AFD was in the wrong place with respect to some other elements of the source, which caused the page to render fine (because it doesn't matter what order the templates are in for that). The problem is that XfDcloser expects them to be in the same order that Twinkle and other automated tools puts them in, meaning that using that to close it doesn't REMOVE that TEMPLATE. I think all of them are find now, but I can double-check. jp×g 08:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Piling on

 * I expect to see JPxG on the front page of the NYT soon... Hey! Include me in the screensho— SWinxy (talk) 22:47, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

JPxG I have personally quoted you to Elon Musk and asked him to call me next week if he has further questions. Great clear explanation of how Wikipedia works.

15-20 years ago I expected and got this sort of nonsense everywhere–. A random edit and a discussion of why that edit might or might not be a good idea is the heart of what we do here. Random people interpret this rather bizarrely at times. "Wikipedia did this awful thing!" When usually, no, one person did something and other people disagreed.

Then for a while I thought we had mostly moved on. Journalists - good ones anyway - figured it out.

Nowadays far too many people are reading and believing utter nonsense deliberately pushed by questionable people who are in a position to know better. The only thing to do is what you did - with good sense and good humour explain it to them.

Thank you. --Jimbo Wales (talk) 23:17, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, shit, I do my best :^) jp×g 07:47, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Tips and tricks


I really don't like these changes. The title is a change for the sake of change, and the blurb is completely inaccurate. This is not computer science at all. Please revert them. Or I can revert them myself if you prefer. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}
 * I am fine on going with the old subheading, but saying "citation" twice in a six-word sentence just looks awful. jp×g 00:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * One's a thing, the other is a name. The name just happens to refer to the thing. Repetition is good here because there's an association, you clean citations with Citation bot. I'm fine with cutting the third 'citation' from the blurb. I'd have gone with 'they don't', but 'it doesn't' is also fine. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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 * Wow, "1 August"???!??!?! Whoever published this month's Signpost is a massive bozo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jp×g 00:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Hey, why aren't you an admin?
🇺🇦 Chicdat Bawk to me!  10:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Recession page FAQ
In your FAQ at Recession, I suggest you include a link to "edit request" and an explanation of what constitutes a WP edit request on semi-protected pages. I see that you recently restored two posts that appear to be closer to NOTFORUM than to edit requests. I think everyone including newcomers and WP users with concerns about the page would be better served if they knew how we need them to format messages that are most likely to lead to article improvements they would like. SPECIFICO talk 16:37, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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Draft:Tom Brier
Hello, JPxG,

I noticed this article was due to be deleted via CSD G13 later tonight and that you had done a lot of work on it late last year. You are not indicated to be the page creator so you would not receive automatic notification of the upcoming deletion so I just thought I'd let you know in case you want this draft restored at some point in the future. Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 01:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That article was my little experiment with going through AfC, since I often hear it recommended for new users and wanted to see what it was like before recommending it myself. I made an attempt to fill it out with SIGCOV (I believe it had somewhere in the neighborhood of ten or fifteen references from various newspapers, et cetera) and submitted it. The response I got was a simple decline with no explanation a couple of months later, probably based on the fact that it had previously been worked on by a different person. An attempt to resubmit was ignored, and attempts to get the reviewer to clarify were unsuccessful. I feel like it would have passed GNG in the state it was in (i.e. I'd be fine with putting it in mainspace and instantly opening an AfD), so if this is possible I would like to make an attempt -- but mostly I forgot about it because of how drawn-out and unpleasant the AfC process was. jp×g 01:49, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

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Talk page?
I'm not sure what I'm looking at with this diff: Something has errored? Andre<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">🚐 23:51, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's bizarre. It would indeed seem to be an error, thanks for looking out. I rollbacked myself and added my comment again in the section it was meant to go in... jp×g 23:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
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21:07, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Interesting...
Apparently you were mentioned in an article by Slate (magazine). Just something cool I found. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 16:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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Just wanted to let you know I appreciate the images you added to The Signpost contents page. Sadly, they don't seem to be showing up on the single-page edition. I wonder if it can be corrected? ☆ Bri (talk) 17:59, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The images are, well, a whole thing. I put them in the last couple issue pages manually, in between the cover item templates. What should actually happen is that the cover item template should be modified to allow an image parameter (and the formatting should be fixed so that it displays them as a single unbreakable div, i.e. images and headlines don't display on separate columns as they now do). When I get some time, I intend to fix this, and then the archive pages can show the images as well. Mostly, I wanted to see how it would go over, and it seems that it's gone over fairly well. jp×g 21:38, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

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Signpost circulation change
I decided not to post on the Signpost Project as you have been pinged on Ideas. So what do you think of the idea?

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01:48, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

More malformed old AfDs
This search Figured you would be interested in cleaning this up. There are some false positives, but also a ton of old stuff similar to the sort you cleaned up a few months ago. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:58, 13 September 2022 (UTC)