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Tech News: 2022-38
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Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg Two database fields in the  table are now being dropped:  and  . Any queries that rely on these fields need to be changed to use the new normalization field called  . See T299417 for more information. This is part of normalization of links tables.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * In Kartographer maps, you can use icons on markers for common points of interest. On Tuesday, the previous icon set will be updated to version maki 7.2. That means, around 100 new icons will be available. Additionally, all existing icons were updated for clarity and to make them work better in international contexts.

Future changes
 * In a group discussion at Wikimania, more than 30 people talked about how to make content partnership software in the Wikimedia movement more sustainable. What kind of support is acceptable for volunteer developers? Read the summary and leave your feedback.

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MediaWiki message delivery 22:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
(t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:16, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Little problem at the Signpost
Hello @JPxG. I noticed you're one of the editors in chief at the Signpost. Well, we've got a little problem over there. We've got four days left for writing and not a single one of the articles is ready yet. I was thinking to message the copyeditors about this issue, but I don't know what would be preferable to you to do. Thanks! Helloheart  (talk)  18:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * This is what we call a "situation normal" -- it's almost always the case that a vast proportion of the issue isn't ready until the writing deadline. Generally, everything tends to sort itself out by publishing time. Well, no, it doesn't sort itself out, people sort it out. But you know what I mean. jp×g 06:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-39
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Recent changes
 * Octicons-tools.svg Parsoid clients should be updated to allow for space-separated multi-values in the attribute of links. Further details are in T315209.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Visual diffs will become available to all users, except at the Wiktionaries and Wikipedias.
 * Talk pages on the mobile site will change at the Arabic, Bangla, Chinese, French, Haitian Creole, Hebrew, Korean, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. They should be easier to use and provide more information.
 * In the     namespace, pages ending with will be treated as JSON, just like they already are in the      and      namespaces.

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MediaWiki message delivery 00:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 52
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Issue 52, July – August 2022 
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 * SpringerLink and Springer Nature
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The Signpost: 30 September 2022
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Traffic report
The Wizard of Oz joke was unexpected, but I laughed. Even reminds me that in cribbing from a song lyric I almost brought the next line too, as "taking lives denied" fits with the last #1. igordebraga ≠ 04:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-40
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Recent changes
 * Kartographer maps can now show geopoints from Wikidata, via QID or SPARQL query. Previously, this was only possible for geoshapes and geolines.
 * The Coolest Tool Award 2022 is looking for nominations. You can recommend tools until 12 October.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Talk pages on the mobile site will change at the Arabic, Bangla, Chinese, French, Haitian Creole, Hebrew, Korean, and Vietnamese Wikipedias. They should be easier to use and provide more information. (Last week's release was delayed)
 * Octicons-tools.svg The  API module will require a CSRF token. This module is documented as internal and use of it is not supported. [5]
 * The Vector 2022 skin will become the default across the smallest Wikimedia projects. Learn more.

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MediaWiki message delivery 00:21, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Medicine Newsletter - October 2022
Ajpolino (talk) 03:32, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-41
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 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * On some wikis, Kartographer maps in full size view will be able to display nearby articles. After a feedback period, more wikis will follow.

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14:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors' October 2022 newsletter
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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello , Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to ), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also. Software news: and  have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved. Suggestions:
 * There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
 * Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
 * Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
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Backlog: Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!


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About the casualties...
From where did your bring the number of casualties with out any reference?? Please, either give reference or remove casualties tag 2409:4062:2D8A:83FB:0:0:5788:F310 (talk) 16:51, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-42
<section begin="technews-2022-W42"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * The recently implemented feature of article thumbnails in Special:Search will be limited to Wikipedia projects only. Further details are in T320510.
 * A bug that caused problems in loading article thumbnails in Special:Search has been fixed. Further details are in T320406.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Octicons-tools.svg Lua module authors can use <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> to load data from JSON pages.
 * Octicons-tools.svg Lua module authors can enable <bdi lang="zxx" dir="ltr"> to add errors for some possible code problems. This replaces "Module:No globals" on most wikis.

Future changes
 * The Beta Feature for DiscussionTools will be updated at most wikis. The "" button will look different after this change.

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MediaWiki message delivery 21:44, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

More malformed old AfDs
This search Figured you would be interested in cleaning this up. There are some false positives, but also a ton of old stuff similar to the sort you cleaned up a few months ago. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 02:58, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Restored from User talk:JPxG/Archive20 since you seem to have missed this. I started cleaning it up myself, and encountered a second "Anagnorisis" at Articles for deletion//Communist Workers Organisation (Marxist–Leninist). I elected to just redirect to the correctly-titled entry rather than shuffling things around. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 21:08, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Ha! I had actually made myself a comprehensive list of all the malformed AfDs that I was working through prior to my untimely demise prolonged inexplicable absence. If memory serves, there were a few hundred, mostly from 2007 and before. I wonder what the overlap with this one is! I'd actually forgotten about it completely until just now -- I should go check. jp×g 21:11, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Per WP:BADAFD, there's still some cleanup to be done from these bizarre adventures, mainly removing REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE templates. --<b style="color: green;">Finngall</b> <sup style="color: #D4A017;">talk  19:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Note to self re: dog's breakfast at September Oracle index
Check contribs around this time for specific characters. I suspect Unicode control characters are stymieing the process, but will remove them to confirm before writing a patch. 0x200d, 0x200b and 0x200e I remember: there is a fourth as well. These should be stripped in the script. jp×g 12:48, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Apologies that one of my comments had a 0x200e. I'm not entirely sure how I ended up copy-and-pasting one when I signed that comment after the fact. I'll try to pay attention if I need to in the future to see if I can figure out where it came from. Skynxnex (talk) 13:37, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I was wondering how that happened too, lol. A lot of the time, weird glitches like that are made from visual or mobile editing, but I guess this was pure homegrown weirdness. It really shouldn't be a problem, though -- the scripts should be able to handle it. The only reason I went through and removed these ones just now was because I wanted to make sure that was actually the problem before trying to fix it. I appreciate the concern though... few understand this. jp×g 13:50, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Not that it matters that much but it may possibly be useful: I looked at my edit history then and tried to remember what I did and I am pretty sure this was the course of events: 1) I realized I had neglected to sign; 2) did a preview to get the signature there; 3) I then copy and pasted from the AfD history page to get the correct timestamp. And, sure enough, doing that now into Vim I see:  so there are left to right marks between some of the different fields (confirmed also using the browser's inspector and seeing it prints them as  ). Skynxnex (talk) 14:12, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Strange but true... jp×g 14:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I have made a bizarre discovery: logging into Toolforge and running the script directly from the server resulted in a page with no errors. Then I reintroduced the Unicode characters and tried again, so that I could pinpoint which part of the script needed to have its input sanitized.......... and it just didn't break. So I have no idea what the hell happened to make it throw all those errors. It's possible it had nothing at all to do with the Unicode.

Tech News: 2022-43
<section begin="technews-2022-W43"/> Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * There have been some minor visual fixes in Special:Search, regarding audio player alignment and image placeholder height. Further details are in T319230.
 * On Wikipedias, a new preference has been added to hide article thumbnails in Special:Search. Full details are in T320337.

Problems
 * Last week, three wikis had read-only access for 25 minutes. This was caused by a hardware problem.

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * Octicons-sync.svg Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis) and on  at 7:00 UTC (targeted wikis).
 * Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" . This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally.
 * Starting on Wednesday October 26, 2022, the list of mentors will be upgraded at wikis where Growth mentorship is available. The mentorship system will continue to work as it does now. The signup process will be replaced, and a new management option will be provided. Also, this change simplifies the creation of mentorship systems at Wikipedias.
 * Pages with titles that start with a lower-case letter according to Unicode 11 will be renamed or deleted. There is a list of affected pages at Unicode 11 case map migration . More information can be found at T292552.
 * The Vector 2022 skin will become the default across the smallest Wikipedias. Learn more.

Future changes
 * The Reply tool and New Topic tool will soon get a special characters menu.

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MediaWiki message delivery 21:20, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Oracle
Hello, JPxG,

The work you've done on the Oracle pages is so impressive but also overwhelming. So, I hope I can ask a direct question and since you are familiar with the data, you can give me a simple answer. I can tell from the data that these days, there are much fewer AFDs than, say, 15 years ago. But are there fewer participants in AFD discussions than there were 5 or 10 years ago? I just started helping out closing AFD discussions in January of this year and I think the low participation has been the biggest surprise. There also seems to be a flurry of new editors, most often sockpuppets, flooding into participate at AFDs but I don't think Oracle can offer any insight on whether this is a new or persistent phenomena. Thanks for any clarity you can provide. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:58, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, I also brought up at WP:VPT about whether or not there were any stats on how different closers closed AFDs. I know, of course, NACs would close AFD discussions as Keep or No Consensus but it seems like some admins primarily close discussions as Delete while others tackle a variety of complex discussion decisions. I don't think there is any use for this data, I was just more curious rather than anything...and I doubt that any tech minded person would go to a lot of trouble just to satisfy my curiosity but I thought I'd ask. Thank you! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 00:03, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Note to self
If I am going to be in charge of the damn thing, I ought to read the damn thing first. There are only 7,960 articles so this should not take too long. Here we go, I guess. jp×g 01:06, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * False: there are 6,557 articles. I can simply transclude this list into User:JPxG/test zone and read them (althogh the page will get too big so I have to do it in batches). jp×g 01:13, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * False: of those 6,557 there are 404 single-page editions (for all of them from 2010-01-04 on), 26 special pages and templates, 663 archive pages, and one readback page. This leaves a mere 5,464 articles. jp×g 01:16, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Note: I have moved my liveblog of the entire Signpost archive to User:JPxG/The Illuminated Signpost. jp×g 10:27, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Nominated for Administrator
jp×g 22:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome! I've made the nomination page here; when the co-noms are finished, the page will have to be transcluded. Good luck! Let me know if I can help in any way. :) Firsfron of Ronchester  03:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Is the candidate also presented to those of us other than ladies and gentlemen?  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 04:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This IMO excellent candidate is presented to everybody. I suppose I should have said "ladies and gentlefolk". Rewording suggestions for a more gender-neutral approach are very welcome, @Tamzin. Firsfron of Ronchester  04:16, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Personally I use a modified David Bowie approach of "Ladies, gentlemen, and everyone else", but I also really like the ring of "ladies and gentlefolk". --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 04:24, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tamzin Done and done, with my apologies. Firsfron of Ronchester  04:29, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No worries. Consider it an innoculation against RfA-GENSEX-dispute-itis. Hear that's been going around lately.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 04:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I've generally not bothered with "ladies and gentlemen" in RfA nominations as it doesn't tell me anything about the candidate, and gone straight for "'x' has done 'a', 'b' and 'c' yada yada this is why I think they'll make a good admin" .... but that's just me. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:31, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Good luck
for when you start the gauntlet! — TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 14:35, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 31 October 2022
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Tech News: 2022-44
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Recent changes
 * When using keyboard navigation on a Kartographer map, the focus will become more visible.
 * In, you can now hide the log entries for new user creations with the filter for "".

Changes later this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from . It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from . It will be on all wikis from (calendar).
 * The maps dialog in VisualEditor now has some help texts.
 * It is now possible to select the language of a Kartographer map in VisualEditor via a dropdown menu.
 * It is now possible to add a caption to a Kartographer map in VisualEditor.
 * It is now possible to hide the frame of a Kartographer map in VisualEditor.

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MediaWiki message delivery 21:13, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

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I don't think anyone's being malicious, but I can't stand the level of incompetence and unfriendliness I'm finding in the Signpost of late. The Signpost lost multiple articles because HaeB decided to reset its contributions page three days before publication. You published the Gallery I repeatedly marked as a draft to be postponed, basically ruining my attempts to get image donations. I was literally begging for help for weeks with September's featured content on the talk page, and got no reply until the day before publication, at which point I was already completely burned out. I was told the Signpost wanted to interview me when I hit 600 featured pictures, and then, once actual work was required, decided not to, apparently.

It's killed my enthusiasm for doing anything with them, made all the worse by the fact I was doing three to five of the articles every issue for the last few months.

It feels like there's no appreciation for contributors, the readership is tiny, and... well, it's really hard to get enthusiasm for continuing after all that. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 00:23, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * As detailed here, I question the claim that The Signpost lost multiple articles, and reject the "incompetence and unfriendliness" accusation. Regards, HaeB (talk) 02:47, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

JPxG: You probably figured this out already, but this is very much a WP:HIGHMAINT situation and has been for a long time - speaking with fond memories of the time more than 12 years ago when Adam Cuerden "quit. Both the Signpost, and Wikipedia" after a failed attempt to "throw out" the Signpost EiC at the time (myself ;-) ). Regards, HaeB (talk) 02:47, 1 November 2022 (UTC)


 * You mean after Jimbo went around deleting hundreds of images from Commons to please Fox News, and was eventually demoted from having the ability to ever do that again? Yeah, that was something worth protesting. I'm impressed at the dredging up of ancient history.
 * But, never mind. I really, really can't be bothered anymore. Good luck finding someone else to do all the stuff I did. I don't know why you've chosen this route, but... there we are Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.2% of all FPs 06:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)