User talk:J Greb/Archive Apr 2011

Template:DC Comics animated films
I see you keep restoring the Teen Titans unmade film to this template. Not sure why, as the film isn't notable, and as far as I can see never got past the announced stage... Cancelled films aren't generally included in templates, think of all the Superman film projects that never got off the ground that aren't included at Template:Superman in popular media for example. --Rob Sinden (talk) 11:24, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The long and the short: The article in question is consistent with the topic covered by the navigation box. It is also consistent with Batman in popular media and DC Comics TV including unsold/undeveloped material.
 * That said, I had missed your redirect of the article. That would have been where I was going to say to start: "Remove the article and then the link." If the redirect had been mentioned when the link was removed, no problem.
 * - J Greb (talk) 21:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Batman Discussion Page
Look at the Batman page, I solved the problem. AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 08:11, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

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Non-breaking spaces
Hi!

You say that non-breaking spaces were generally only used in a table or like layout *and* with items that look/read awkwardly if separated. Does this mean that I do something wrong when I use them at other spots? --Hans Dunkelberg (talk) 21:25, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It depends on the context. DC Comics should cause the phrase to stick together. Even if it doesn't, "DC Comics" isn't a term that in normal text where having "DC" end a line and "Comics" start the next is an issue. A date like "April 11, 2011" is a case where at least part of the phrase - the day and month - should be kept together. Other than that the only place I've seen it regularly used is in templates and tables, generally yo make sure that a spereator - like a bullet • - doesn't wind up starting a line.
 * - J Greb (talk) 21:38, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You see, I am from Germany and therefore do not yet understand a jargon like the one You`re using, so perfectly. Do You mean I should not dedicate too much of my endeavor to filling in non-breaking spaces so much, because this was not so important, when You say "... isn't ... an issue"? --Hans Dunkelberg (talk) 22:08, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes. In English style guides there are very, very few cases where 2 or 3 words must be kept together (I'm not sure what the case is in German).
 * - J Greb (talk) 22:11, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * O.k., so if I fill in that code that does not do any harm, am I right? >>> Of course this is sometimes a little exhausting, but I, personally, am under the impression that such outward things can be quite decisive. An other question is whether one could deter unexperienced users from editing the Wikipedia by all-too many such tokens in the source code. --Hans Dunkelberg (talk) 22:18, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It is not harmful, just not useful.
 * I'm not sure what you are referring to by "tokens".
 * - J Greb (talk) 22:22, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I have understood You that filling in & n b s p ; (that is what I mean with "tokens") was probably not necessary in many cases - between the names of months and the cipher of a day behind them, within links, and so on.

After all, I have again and again experienced that just these things are, indeed, separated when I view Wikipedia articles with Linux and Mozilla Firefox. I have just reassured myself of that, also by trying it out in the preview of an article - months are separated from the day numbers, without that code, regardless if the day number precedes or follows the month name, and links are also divided (example: U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission). I can hardly imagine it should not disturb the overall visual impact of an article if such things are divided. --Hans Dunkelberg (talk) 22:57, 11 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Thinking it over, again, I now understand You that there were certain kinds of combinations of words and / or other tokens that should not be separated at the end of a line, in English, and that months and cyphers symbolizing days were among them. - Please be aware that I, myself, only reluctantly fill in that non-breaking code. Doing that too much could even contribute to an, at the end, worse overall visual / logical impact of articles. I, generally, tend to fill in that code only in cases where, otherwise, there would remain just one to two symbols (dots not counted) on the one side. At the end of whole paragraphs, I might even do so if there could, otherwise, be generated a separate line consisting of as much as one to three symbols. - As the reader does not notice the invisible source code non-breaking spaces, there will, at the end, not occur misunderstandings regarding what is allowed to be separated in English and what is not. The reader will, generally, count what he sees some peculiarities of the set of Wikipedia which he is not interested in to understand. --Hans Dunkelberg (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Tracking problem on Infobox character
See Template talk:Infobox character. Harry Blue5 (talk) 21:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, just saw your post on the template... Checking it now. - J Greb (talk) 21:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Your edits to Infobox character
You can't pass wikilinked text after the pipe to a category. See the top line of Amanda Young. I have requested a rollback on the talk page for the infobox. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 22:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * And it the series title shouldn't be bolded. - J Greb (talk) 23:18, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Just fixing one doesn't fix the problem. Are you going to check all 3800 transclusions?  Perhaps that should be done before rolling this out. See HAL 9000.  I just fixed another one here.  Almost certainly hundreds more. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 23:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

GA Review for G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (Marvel Comics)
Hello, I know that you are extremely busy, but if you have the time, please check out this discussion, on the proposed reassessment of G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (Marvel Comics) as a GA-class article. The discussion there has gotten heated, because of a debate about sources, and the GAR was proposed while a peer review is still in progress. I would appreciate you giving your opinion as to what can be done. Thanks! Fortdj33 (talk) 12:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Infobox character
Hi, where was the consensus to add this? Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:22, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Long and Short? Bignole pointed out that there is a much reduced version of the infobox in the sandbox matching consensus at verious points on the talk page but it needs an admin to move forward with it. I figured it might be a good idea to try and get a handle on any mass through templates - al a Star Wars character - that aren't in the infobox category. This seems the easiest way to do that. - J Greb (talk) 00:48, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I would have suggested posting a link to a sandbox version on the talk page first, given the mess caused by the last attempt to add this. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  01:04, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Minor edits?
I noted that you marked this edit as "minor". Seeing as it was actually a revert, I am wondering whether it was a typo, as reverts should never be marked as minor. Btw, I agree with your version (ie. the usage of British English in a GB series program), so my questions isn't about content but protocol. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 03:34, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think I miss clicked the box with an "Undo". - J Greb (talk)

Tony Montana
i think we should merge tony montana to scarface because he only appears in one film. The character's history is only a detailed version of the plot. He should be merged into the character list with in popular culture. Mr. Simon Green (talk) 04:01, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Joker in other media
I haven't actually read through Green's prose but shouldn't that section contain a brief overview of what the "Other Media" article contains ala http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man#In_other_media ? Nothing extensive but I believe it should give a basic overview of the content of the article with the option to visit the article for further information. Unless there is another reason you deleted his contribution that I'm not aware of. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:19, 25 April 2011 (UTC)


 * To be honest, it should, but not a laundry list of the adaptations. And the Spider-Man one could use a little trim in the 1st and 3rd paragraphs. - J Greb (talk) 21:51, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Black Widow
I was wondering if you can offer your opinion at Talk:The Avengers (2012 film).--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

List of DC Characters
I'm confused by some of your recent adjustments in the "A" section. According to the Marvel guidelines we're supposed to be following, the character Kyle Abbott, for example, should be typed as Abbott, Kyle (see Kyle Abbott). Your change is not considered Wikipedia friendly. Since it appears you're an administrator, I haven't reverted it back yet :-), but I would like to hear your take on it. Thanks in advance. --jtmatbat (talk) 16:52, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * To be honest? Aside from the "the Marvel guidelines" (and I'd really like to see that one), three reasons:
 * It's a Wikified list - the entries can link directly to an article or section of an article without directing a user to another section of the list.
 * We don't have a space restriction so replicating the information isn't an issue, making "see Foo" redundant.
 * While there isn't a space issue, there is a page clutter issue, and having the various "see Foo"s in place does make the left hand column cluttered and hard to read.
 * I'm also a bit leery of at least one other aspects of the listing, the "Surname, Honorific" listings. It seems very out of place, and easy to botch - "America, Captain", "Fate, Doctor", "Terrific, Mister", "Marvel, Ms." and so on.
 * - J Greb (talk) 21:49, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the speedy reply, J Greb.
 * I found the Marvel guidelines in the discussion page at the beginning of the list (0-9). Before I read it, I was doing the same thing that you're doing, so I do understand the logic of it.
 * As for "America, Captain"-style listings, the guidelines are against them (though I think they're okay for non-superhero names if the first name is unknown - i.e. Officer Smith, Mayor Robinson).--jtmatbat (talk) 18:57, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I was being slightly facetious there. Most would look for a comic book hero or villain by the "full" name - ie "Doctor..." under "D" - but I've seen odd things happen with Wikipedia in that regard.
 * Heh. Same here. - jtmatbat (talk) 10:28, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * - J Greb (talk) 23:02, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * As for the 7 year old "guidelines"... I think they may need a re-look. I've got a feeling they were put in place when the "List" was ,uch, much more manageable. - J Greb (talk) 23:11, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you think it's okay to do it your way, then I'll start doing it that way, too. Thanks for the clarification. - jtmatbat (talk) 10:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

List of minor DC Comics characters
Hi,

Why can not have all the minor characters with and image? Before (when they had an article of they own) they had it, so, I think that is better, that way we can know how the character looks. I uploaded the image of Kulak when he had an article and that article had more information... Now I wish to use the image... if you give me the change, I can upload and add the image of every minor character in this list... Please, tell me what you think.

Thanks Arussom (talk) 21:32, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The long & short of it: WP:NFC and WP:NFLISTS, especially point 6.
 * As for the text and a possible exception... Migrating the article to the list in part is to try an reduce the plot repeated in the article. (See WP:PLOT on the current stand on plot-only or "almost" plot-only articles, and yes the Kulak article was plot-only.) As for a "major character/element" exception... I'm sorry, a character has been used 4 time in 70 years doesn't make that distinction.
 * - J Greb (talk) 21:42, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I don't understand... I don't want to make an exception with Kulak... I want to put an image to all the characters we can, that's all...
 * Arussom (talk) 00:52, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


 * No. That isn't going to work. - J Greb (talk) 01:13, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

After the Grey, the McCoy
Two candidats Norton McCoy and Edna McCoy for List of minor X-Men characters.--Crazy runner (talk) 16:31, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

One more, Sean Garrison (comics), father of Wallflower (comics)--Crazy runner (talk) 16:50, 30 April 2011 (UTC)