User talk:J Greb/Archive Aug 2010

I am Asking you to Certify a RFC on User:TMC1982
I have used a an example of you conversation as part of the RFC, I would appreciate your input Weaponbb7 (talk) 22:09, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

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Marvel comics films categories
I see that you've reverted a fair numbers of my edits today having to do with films based on Marvel characters. I understand why you've done so. I wasn't aware that you don't include the parent category if the article also appears in a subcategory. Sorry to be a pain and waste your time. Lesson learned. Cheers. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 20:55, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Post-Ultimatum: Ultimate Blah vs Ultimate Comics Blah
Hi. I noticed you were weighing in on the whole Ultimate Blah vs Ultimate Comics Blah with the renaming of Enemy and Mystery. I think we need to sort this out once and for all, so I've started a discussion on it. If you could throw in your two cents, that'd be grand. Cheers. Planewalker Dave (talk) 15:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

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98.216.243.219
Even though there was no problem, the article was fixed. you banned me, why? --98.216.243.219 (talk) 23:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Bluntly:
 * You are still adding in unreferenced material. (multiple articles at the point you were blocked)
 * The edit you made that was referenced in the block template was an instance of you essentially vandalising an article because you didn't like it.
 * You insist on editing without providing informative, constructive comments.
 * Continuing with at least 2 of these editing practices will get you blocked again, even if someone else fixes your edits.
 * - J Greb (talk) 23:21, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * On which articles?--98.216.243.219 (talk) 23:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

You don't even watch the show do you? --98.216.243.219 (talk) 18:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Bluntly: If you are adding material that reads as an interpretation - the viewer filling in the blanks - it does not belong in a Wikipedia article. If you can source it to a reliable, verifiable secondary source, add the source when you add the information. You've been told this before.
 * Now - Is there any source that states the character's ancestry has been left vague because of another character's preferences? Or is it something you stuck in because you assumed plot point B must have dictated plot point A? Lacking a source, all that is valid for inclusion is that the character's parents provide conflicting information and that no resolution is provided.
 * Sorry if you don't like that, but Wikipedia is not here for you to publish your pet theories or fan speculation.
 * - J Greb (talk) 19:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * "Now - Is there any source that states the character's ancestry has been left vague because of another character's preferences" Yes, the same episode, The Color Ruckus, of the paragraph I put it in. --98.216.243.219 (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Really? The naration says that? Neither parent's story is confirmed because of the prefrences shown by one? It seems neither is confirmed because neiter is confirmed. Reading the writers mind, ascribing a motive to wwhat they wrote, without having a reliable secondary source - like an inrterview - is interpritation. - J Greb (talk) 23:16, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

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Edit request
Hi, the article: Max Eckhardt is protected, I was wondering if you'd consider redirecting it to the article: Batman (1989 film), per feedback I have received here. No worries if you can't :) Ryan 4314   (talk) 17:40, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll fix that an put in the redirect. - J Greb (talk) 18:40, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

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 * Hello. I'm sorry about that. Do you have access to the video game in order to take a new screenshot as a png file? Hugahoody (talk) 21:41, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I'll bear that in mind. If you could upload that file again it would be very helpful. Hugahoody (talk) 21:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Whereabouts is the file so I can get to work? Hugahoody (talk) 22:07, 21 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can do though it may be tricky. Hugahoody (talk) 22:12, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Ceoil (talk) 03:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)== Family ==

I have corrected the family sub-section of Lakshmi Mittal which sure looked biased, derogatory and without any reference link.Varanwal (talk) 20:47, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Civility
Please dont warn me on civility issues when you have clearly no reading of the context. Random postings from uninformed admins I can live without. Ceoil (talk) 03:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Three things, and they are a bit inter related:
 * This was based on the information brought to a wider view at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (biographies)‎‎ concerning four articles. Based on what's been going on there, neither of you is blameless.
 * If you have additional information regarding Wikihounding, please, post all the particulars to Wikiquette alerts, or if it's more than that WP:AN.
 * You might want to avoid "...going through FAs of mine..." or at least rephrase it as "...going through FAs I've worked on..." While I can understand an investment of time and energy in working on an article, sounding like it's your article goes over poorly.
 * And on last based on you post here: I posted here as an editor, not an admin - see the initial line. I'm sorry you feel this is intrusive, but that is the nature of things. I'm also sorry you feel that civility can be hung if you feel another editor, in this case the one wanting to add the infoboxes, is being uncivil with you. Think of it this way: with a neutral tone to your posts to the article talk pages, the reaction to their post to the MoS talk would have been "And there's a good consensus for the status quo. The problem is?"
 * - J Greb (talk) 03:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Often times civility dont cut it. There are many people who you need to cut through, if bogging yourself down to thier level is going to lead an endless arguments of attrition. In other words, and again, get lost. Ceoil (talk) 04:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Its ok I see where you are coming from, and that you are well intentioned. Bygons? Ceoil (talk) 09:31, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * J Greb, just a word, and its not a put down, its just something I see you have not copped; content people have a horror of Wikiquette alerts and WP:AN as a circus of fools; people who are only interested in articles just dont do that. Instead of suffering fools and drama mongeres we talk bluntly. I've had plenty of disputes and been taken to AN/I often, but not once by somebody I later came to respect (and there have been a few). Ceoil (talk) 14:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

A word to correct a misapprehension of Ceoil. My edits to the articles had nothing to do with him or his actions on any other article. I started my first edit to William Butler Yeats before I saw Ceoil's edit to Jacob Epstein. I didn't "stalk" his articles because I'd never even heard of him. I'd noticed a comment by Truthkeeper88 on Modernist's talk page pointing out that a specific set of four articles didn't have infoboxes. I took a look at those four articles and thought that adding infoboxes would be an improvement. Ceoil's attitude and hostility based on a false assumption was galling, so I persisted in pursuing it, but did not follow to any additional article beyond those I'd seen mentioned in Truthkeeper's comment. So I have to agree with J Greb, personal attacks and hostility made the situation worse, not better. Yworo (talk) 14:11, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What made the situation worse was to take my comment to Modernist, which was a suggestion about building a nav template for a specific set of articles and would have been an improvement, and decide to move against those articles. Yworo didn't realize that because these articles are all interrelated they are watched by the content editors who build them. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 15:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Ceoil, I can appriciate your position. And I can also appriciate your POV on the notice boards. Yes, there does tend to be an large amount of drama and abuse on the notice boards, unfortunately it isn't limited to there. Looking at the dialogue you and Yworo are having on their talk page, its encouraging to see. Thanks for taking that step. - J Greb (talk) 17:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah. It seems to have worked out ok in the end. The thing about the boards was not a swipe at you bty, at all, I just find going there draws a line in the sand that can never be crossed. And many of the people that hang out their are basically into blood sports, or a type of voyeurism I dont want to know about. Thats my experience anyway. Later. Ceoil (talk) 23:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

List Of Punisher Comics
Brother. With all due respect, Is that page not a list of comics. How is it were writing a Wikipedia article Punisher "COMIC LIST"?? I myself have tried to keep that list up for 4 years. Where were you?--Pun Fan (talk) 23:19, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Bluntly:
 * The list can either focus primarily on:
 * The comics published under the "Punisher" title. The title then sits as "List of Punisher comic books", "List of The Punisher comic books", or either with "titles" replacing "comic books". Such a list might get away with a section on comics not primarily about the character where he appeared. Or,
 * A listing of the issues the various characters have appeared in. That is less likely to survive an AfD since it will be seen as an indiscriminate list. Especially since there are reliable indexing sites that can generate such a list by design - sorted by either date or title.
 * Also:
 * This is not the place to discuss the article content. The place for that is the article's talk page.
 * The amount of time you've poured into the list is admirable, but it does not convey any special privileges to you. You do not get to claim ownership or priority control over it.
 * While the article is indeed over 4 years old, with a creation date in February 2006, your contributions to it only date back to June of 2009. Had you been editing it under a different Username? If so, why the change?
 * In a similar vein, your only edits to articles are to List of The Punisher comics and a small spate to Punisher: Noir which was removed as you were only putting up copies of Marvel's solicitation ext prior to the comic's publication. Given you espoused knowledge of the character, are you planning on helping out with the other Punisher related articles, or just continue to focus on the one list article?
 * - J Greb (talk) 00:50, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * J Greb, I don't know how you feel about talk page guidelines, but just FYI, Pun Fan has deleted all of his comments from the talk page for List of The Punisher comics, including the ones that you posted specifically for him. Some clarification may be needed, for others to understand the discussion that is still taking place. Fortdj33 (talk) 14:17, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * } And IIUC the posts on the article talk page should be restored. If Pun Fan wants to disappear, they can blank their own user pages - heck, they have the latitude to remove anything from those pages save active block notices at any time. They don't have the latitude to pull parts of discusions though. - J Greb (talk) 16:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That's my understanding as well. I was hoping that you would restore the comments to the talk page, since it was one of yours that he deleted, because I don't want it to look like I have some personal vendetta against him. If you're not inclined to do that, please let me know. Fortdj33 (talk) 17:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Hell (DC Comics)
I'm getting tired and annoyed of the revision war with this user. Can you provide a sane voice in this matter and make sure that I haven't lost my perspective? --Xero (talk) 17:29, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

CfD follow up question
Looking at Categories for discussion/Log/2010 August 12 (I backed into it by splitting the OEL mang out of the manga cat), I'm wondering if this means all of the manga/manhwa/manhua publisher categories should be culled of reprint/translation. Looking at Category:Tokyopop titles, a good chunk of the titles are re-packages Asian comics. - J Greb (talk) 07:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * So, just to understand, this is abvout whether we should categorise titles by whether they were reprinted in other titles by other publishers? Sounds like probably not. If for no other reaon than a list would provide better info (like the original place that such titles were published, etc.)
 * But I'll freely admit to not being anywhere near an expert on these. What do you think? - jc37 03:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC)