User talk:J Greb/Archive Aug 2012

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The Avengers protection
The protection was just lifted and the page automatically got hit three times by IPs. I think an indefinite protection might be in order.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:50, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Requesting your calm guidance
There is an anon IP, -76.189.114.163, at Talk:List of African-American firsts, who, while other editors are discussing disagreements maturely, is filling the page with constant taunting comments that make him sound like a 16-year-old who's pranking me to see if he can get me upset. He's started using the taunt "Tenebrat" at every mention, and he has some obsession with needling me. I've suggested RfC and other dispute-resolution processes, and he laughs and taunts and insults at every turn. There was an AN/I involving him today, since he was accused of edit-warring and trolling.

I can't take his taunts too seriously, but it's getting tiresome since he and another editor want to completely overhaul the article in their vision without seeking broader consensus. They both make extremist "all or nothing" statements. And both of them, especially the other one, post walls and walls of words. You know the type and I'm sure you know the situation.

Is there any way you could post a reminder about civility, and your thoughts on the best way to seek broader consensus? I'm concerned things are going to escalate and a long-stable article, which could certainly use some fixing and pruning, is going to get decimated by two editors who refused to seek out broader consensus for their major overhaul. Thanks for any look-see &mdash; I know these sorts of things must be incredibly tiresome for you, and I admire your hanging in there as an admin. With regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 01:48, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * And now he's crossed a line. In addition this constant taunt, 76.189.114.163 has now dug up a request for help I made for a Wiki addiction back in 2006 — six years ago! — and plastered [Talk:List of African-American firsts]], in a misguided effort to, I suppose he thinks, humiliate me. I've tried to be calm with him, but I think this crosses a line. Please help.


 * You might already know, if you monitor Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, that admin Floquenbeam (talk) has already warned him about his troll-like behavior with other editors today. This guy is on trolling rampage and nothing I've said or done seems to help. This latest thing &mdash; the work involved in going through years of my talk page looking for "dirt" &mdash; seems obsessive and it's certainly malicious. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * J Greb, this user calls me a “taunting, jeering, sarcastic and immature anon IP lowering the level of discourse", among many other derogatory things, and then has the nerve to come here and declare incivility. That takes guts. He has acted as if he owns that article for the six years since he created it. And when other editors come along who have been working hard to improve it, he fights as hard as he can to oppose almost every idea and purposely refuses to address any questions or concerns presented, instead choosing to evade the issues by interjecting irrelevant comments. Take a good look at the entire talk page and the article's edit history of List of African-American firsts and it will become abundantly clear to you that he thinks he is the final word on the vast majority of edits people want to make. He also made five edits in five hours yesterday and an administrator had to warn him about it. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 02:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Guys, to be frank, I really don't have the time right now to wade through the wall-o-text on the article talk page.

So I would ask: Can each of you go over that massive debate an pick where you think the other fired first? I'll take a look at those points - at the point those edits were done, not as they currently stand.

Also - 76.189.114.163, between what you've "read" and blanked on your IP talk page, the ANI spat, and what Tenebrae's follow-up here points too, you really need to read and understand WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. If you cannot/will not work well with others or insist on attacking another editor instead of actually working on article content, you will find your editing here short lived.

- J Greb (talk) 03:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're sincerely interested in knowing the whole truth, look at both sides of the story. When someone continually mocks you and tries to ruin your reputation by making false accusations, you eventually are going to respond. Do you have kids? Do you know how to deal with bullies? Who cares about my talk page? Nothing's hidden. It's all there in the edit history. Forever. If I want to keep my talk page clean, that's my choice. It was actually an admin who taught me how to clear it like that. And was Tenebrae calling me a “taunting, jeering, sarcastic and immature anon IP lowering the level of discourse" civil? Or when he called me a six-year-old? Or all the other taunts and insults? Get the entire story before you start taking sides. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 04:18, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If you're sincerely interested in knowing the whole truth, look at both sides of the story. When someone continually mocks you and tries to ruin your reputation by making false accusations, you eventually are going to respond. Do you have kids? Do you know how to deal with bullies? Who cares about my talk page? Nothing's hidden. It's all there in the edit history. Forever. If I want to keep my talk page clean, that's my choice. It was actually an admin who taught me how to clear it like that. And was Tenebrae calling me a “taunting, jeering, sarcastic and immature anon IP lowering the level of discourse" civil? Or when he called me a six-year-old? Or all the other taunts and insults? Get the entire story before you start taking sides. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 04:18, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Clarification needs to be made. I'm going to stay out whatever tit-for-tat is going on between the two editors above. However, when I see my user handle being pulled into the fray, it's important folks understand I have never hurled mud. I take exception that I've made "all or nothing" statements. I take exception I haven't "sought broader consensus" when in fact I solicited opinions on 7 different WikiProject talk pages. "Major overhaul?" If wanting to improve the lead and setting a well-defined list of criteria for inclusion is labeled such, then I guess I'm guilty as charged. And lastly, I stated on the talk page I would be OK with Rfc, but quoted from the Rfc article "if two editors are in a dispute, seek a third opinion as Rfc doesn't qualify." Since I chose to steer clear from the personal attacks going on between the 2 editors, I advised them that while Rfc may not qualify in their situation, seeking a third opinion would. I guess neither of them pursued such action. But I have never refused Rfc. Whatever action you might pursue for the 2 editors above, please note that my discussions have always been on-topic and about content. The article's talk page and my talk page (where the 2 editors above have sometimes gone to take their conversation) reflect that. Zepppep (talk) 03:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Relax, Zep. :) You've done a great job trying to improve that article and always acted appropriately. Tenebrae took this complaint to three different administrators and didn't tell any of them that he reported it to someone else. So Greb's not aware that the other two admins already handled this matter and issued warnings. Don't worry, I told the other two that you did nothing wrong in all this. And you can't be blocked if you did nothing wrong. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 04:02, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * And JGreb, in answer to your question, the first fire was here, when Tenebrae falsely accused me of being a sockpuppet or meatpuppet, terms I didn't even understand at the time. Then he kept repeating it on the talk page and to other users. And administrator had said on a talk page that a user who keeps accusing someone of being a sockpuppet, without reporting it, is a great way of getting blocked. I was advised to tell Tenebrae to report it. He never did it, but continued his implications. Subsequently, today I believe, he apologized to the other user (the one he thought I also was) for making the accusation. But not to me. But the damage was already done because he had spent days trying destroy my reputation. Then, he continued with his repeated personal insults on the articles's talk page and the talk pages of other users. One of the most recent is when he called me a “taunting, jeering, sarcastic and immature anon IP lowering the level of discourse.". So, yes, I finally gave it back to him as he continued because it's important to stand up to bullies. As I said, Tenebrae actually reported this to two other administrators who issued warnings, like this one. So, if you think it's productive to reopen this entire can of worms, go for it. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 04:02, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

IGN's Top 100 Comic Book Villains
I wanted to create a page similair to the one you have deleted, so I was wondering what your reason for deleting it meant? As AFI's 100 Years...100 Heroes and Villains is a similair thing to that, why was that page not deleted? Just out of curiosity. Karankyle (talk) 03:08, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

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Magneto...again
Someone is back at it again: 129.33.19.254 (talk) 14:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And again: 129.33.19.254 (talk) 14:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Are you replying to me?
Could you please reply to my IGN's Top 100 Comic Book Villains question?! And why can't I create a "List of Batman issues" article if there is a "List of The Amazing Spider-Man issues" articles? Karankyle (talk) 08:54, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew)
Please look again Russian article and tell me worthy of a English article character to be so! Photo scope of change not to let as need be, but three pictures from bottom to let it be! But if you my style of article is not like can suggest your own version! Just slightly article looks empty, but the style is also needed in Wikipedia! --90.155.142.140 (talk) 14:47, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Look, just accept what we have told you all along. It is highly unlikely anyone will put the image up, as it is copyrighted everywhere you have found it - we just can't do it! Mdann52 (talk) 18:42, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And since the exact same issues are being revisited right after the last block expired, a longer block is not out of the question. - J Greb (talk) 21:05, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * FYI, 2 months forced IP Wikibreak. Mdann52 (talk) 14:17, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Joker (comics) unprotection
It was protected because you said "Since the Krlzh is still IP hopping to evad his block, *and* the damage blindly being accepted, converted to locking." I really don't think Krlzh is IP hopping still to edit this page, it has been almost two years. I would be great if you could unprotect it. Thanks, Ob tund Talk 01:48, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, J Greb. You have had interaction with this user in the past so I wanted to drop a note to keep you in the loop. I have blocked this user indefinitely as they have returned from a lengthy block to resume their same behaviors. I do not see an end to this disruption, but on the off chance that I have missed something important I would ask that you give the situation a once-over. If you see anything that needs my attention, please leave a message on my user talk. Regards  Tide  rolls  03:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Reply
But, as Heath Ledger is Australian, shouldn't the English used be in continuation with that? Mythical Curse (talk) 21:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC).
 * Not really. In this case the over all topic isn't Australian. Just like it isn't British in spite of the film being listed as US/UK as well as drawing on Alan Moore's work in Batman: The Killing Joke. Note that the articles for the film and the comic are both written using American English.
 * - J Greb (talk) 22:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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Could you take a look at these?
made articles from Batman in film and Spider-Man in film to form these articles: Christopher Nolan Batman film series and Sam Raimi Spider-Man film series. Frankly, in my opinion, the articles are completely redundant to the articles they were derived from. In addition, the user just copy and pasted the summaries from the respective films and added them to those split off articles. But what do you think? I'm asking you because from your edits, you seem like an expert on the comic book genre. QuasyBoy (talk)  04:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's more a case of an improper content fork to allow plot dumping. I've redirected them back to their parent sections - they are actually redirects we've needed for a while.
 * - J Greb (talk) 12:20, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Good, those redirects are needed, since the Nolan and Raimi films are regarded differently, for their respective film series. QuasyBoy (talk)  13:42, 31 August 2012 (UTC)