User talk:J Greb/Archive Jan 2011

Nomination for deletion of Template:Comic panel rationale
Template:Comic panel rationale has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. PhilKnight (talk) 02:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Photo credits
I don't see a pull down menu at the top of that page, or anywhere on it. Can you clarify? What's this for? Nightscream (talk) 05:17, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess my real name is preferred. Nightscream (talk) 17:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Captain America template
JoeLoeb seems to be restoring the template on articles where you have removed it, you probably want to discuss your reason for removing it with him. 108.69.80.49 (talk) 07:03, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

This message is from user: hughveal. I have just started back using Wikipedia on a daily, regular basis. As such, all of the warnings that you and other attendants of this site had sent were not ignored, just not read. I do understand about not using copyrighted material for an upload. Yet, I was unaware of how upload picture files and give them the proper licensing as your page devoted to how to do so is quite confusing to me. What I want to do is look for information on Wikipedia, and if I find a page that is missing information that I can find elsewhere, I would liketo upload and edit the page to properly fill it with the right data. If you could direct me to a page that shows how to properly upload a picture file, with a GOOD explanation of the licensing matters, I will follow it to the letter. Otherwise I will not be able to edit or post to pages that are sorely in need of updating their information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hughveal (talk • contribs) 18:23, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

War Machine
Your explanation for this edit was "*NOT* the place to include that information. PERIOD". Favreau confirmed it, and what better place is there than the article for the film it discusses? Please clarify, because the article for Iron Man has something almost identical for Iron Monger. --Boycool (talk) 15:09, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The character was called Iron Monger in the comics when he used his armor, but the codename is mentioned in the film only when Stane describes himself and Stark as "ironmongers".
 * The character is known as War Machine when wearing his armor in the comics, but the name is only used in the film when Tony asks if he wants to be a "war machine".
 * I'm sorry, the bottom line is, and has been, that since "War Machine" was not used within the film - and no, the one off quip doesn't count - it isn't used in the plot synopsis or cast list. It can be used sparingly within the "Production" section - especially if a source is quoted using it - but not from a Wikipedia editor assigning it to the character based on "I know this from the comics."
 * As for Stane... If the character was creditied like Rhodes - without a code name - the the "comic book knoledge derived credit" should be cleared out. I've asked another editor for a double check on that, but my gut reaction is that the text should be simplified to "Obadiah Stane".
 * - J Greb (talk) 22:58, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Checking the Iron Man credits on the special ed. DVD now.... --Tenebrae (talk) 23:37, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Nope. The first four characters on the end-credits on the DVD are: "Tony Stark," "Rhodey," "Obadiah Stane" and "Pepper Potts". For the record, as I'm sure we already have it, Stan Lee (like Jim Cramer) is credited as "Himself." There's also a Zorianna Kit credited as "Herself"; she's an entertainment reporter (who, interestingly, left KTLA in Los Angeles in 2005 amid an ethical scandal). Hope this helps! --Tenebrae (talk) 23:48, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks... looks "Iron Monger" can be removed... - J Greb (talk) 23:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, J. Re: post-credits scenes &mdash; Iron Man and X-Men: The Last Stand each include them in the plot section. Now, while I myself would include them there &mdash; reasoning that movies often begin their plots before the opening credits, and we include that content in "Plot" &mdash; I can certainly live with post-credits scenes in the plot section or somewhere else. I do think, and I'm sure you do, too, that we need to be consistent. What did the consensus discussion say &mdash; and apropos of that, I'm thinking that the discussion's conclusions about post-credits scenes should probably go into the Project manual of style. Or does WP:FILM address that? I'll go look there. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The long and the short of it is that most of the Marvel "after credits" work off of the main plot of the film. Those can be worked into the plot section. With IM2 it is either a bridge or teaser, take your pick, to an unrelated film. Since there is material re the production of the bit, placing it into the production section makes a lot more sense. Consistancy in this case becomes treating extensions of the main plot of the film in one consistant way and treating teasr in one consistant way. the two way just happen to different. - J Greb (talk) 01:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

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Requesting third-party input
User:Horkana and I, who work together well and respect each other's work, have run into an impasse regarding a passage on which there's disagreement over including. At his suggestion, before going to the step of an RfC, we're asking for third-party input at Talk:Kick-Ass (film) and subsection Talk:Kick-Ass (film). With thanks, --Tenebrae (talk) 17:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

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The Dark Knight Rises
While you're at it would you mind moving The Dark Knight Rises (film) to The Dark Knight Rises, then deleting The Dark Knight Rises (film) as an unnecessary disambiguation page? Thanks. –CWenger (talk) 22:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You mean the redirect that has been there since late last October?
 * - J Greb (talk) 22:33, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess The Dark Knight Rises already exists, so The Dark Knight Rises (film) should just be deleted as an unnecessary disambiguation page then, shouldn't it? No moves necessary. –CWenger (talk) 22:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure, especially considering it was used to re-start the article in spite of the more complete on in the incubator. Right now it's up as a redirect and protected to prevent a recurance. After the article leaves the incubator, it may be worth keeping as a likely alternate serch title. If not, it can be unsalted and deleted. - J Greb (talk) 22:42, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * On the former reason, it seems like a losing battle considering somebody could just re-start the article at The Dark Knight Rises (movie), The Dark Knight Rises (2012), etc., but I'll defer to your judgement. –CWenger (talk) 22:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I have commented that the film is a little different than the incubator so far on the discussion page. So moving probably does not have to be done right away. If when ready you are the perfect candidate for it. Also can the The Dark Knight Rises (film) be unprotected as well? Jhenderson  7 7 7  21:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Aside from the destruction of any editing trail for the version you sut and pasted into a page that should have been left protected until the FILM threshold was met. - J Greb (talk) 21:11, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Your bickering about that is ridiculous and unconstructive even in Wikipedia's standards. There is guidelines that can support that a article can be made beyond WP:NFF such as WP:Crystal Ball and WP:GNG. I learned this from film coordinators which (no offense) is not your expertise beyond their's and probably even mine. I don't see why the page still can't be moved when filming actually starts.  Jhenderson  7 7 7  21:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about the comment that I scratched. Even if it was true it's not really that necessary to say that. Keep your mouth shut and stay out of trouble I hear a lot and I still can have problems with that like other people. Personally your comment felt like a bite at the face but that didn't mean I should bite back. Even though I ain't a newbie, I pretty much am to your standards, of course. And personally if I was ever an administrator (which I have less and less faith on) I would focus more on encouragement than authority. But that's not a recommendation to be like me. So just for gratitude (you are the first person to welcome in my latest account after all) I give you a smile. It's nice to smile at people even if you or the other person don't feel like it. So here's you some. Jhenderson 7 7 7  02:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)  Hello J Greb, MiszaBot III has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
 * Looking back at it, I did come of overly "pissed off". Sorry about that. And I really don't think it was biting a newbie, but a degree of frustration with someone that, IMO, has been around long enough to not do this.
 * - J Greb (talk) 23:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

I know I am not a newbie but a professional I am mostly am not, nobody's perfect. I had no idea about the moving incubator thing and still don't understand it. I have asked somebody particularly what that meant. Per WP:Userspace draft you can move the information to the redirect which cutting and pasting is the only option if it already exists but a incubator which I only knew about because of the upcoming movie could be different. And I didn't think about that. Jhenderson 7 7 7  00:16, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Films based on comics task force
Hello! At the talk page for WikiProject Film, I have proposed a films based on comics task force, which would be a collaboration between WikiProject Film and WikiProject Comics. TriiipleThreat mentioned you as someone who may be interested in the task force, so I invite you to join the discussion. The discussion can be found here. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 16:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * And here I was about to come 'round and invite you myself! --Tenebrae (talk) 23:50, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to come by ask you to consider joining this task force, notability was one first things I mentioned to Erik that we should tackle since these films receive so much pre-production attention. Your opinions in this matter would be highly valuable.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 22:21, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Dude, I know I have a little bit of edit war going on with you before. But the task force could really use a contributor like you so it's up to you if you want to do it. You need to get editors like me on the straight and narrow man. ;) Jhenderson  7 7 7  02:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Sub-Zero Blue
You mentioned something on his talkpage about copy-paste moves? Well, the Noob Saibot article is becoming quite an influx of his copypaste moves from the Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat) article. Not directly but he's practically making it an in-universe article. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 00:26, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Film continuity, i.e. "Preceded by" and "Followed by"
Should films that are not in the same continuity, but feature the same character, be included in the "Preceded by" and "Followed by" sections of the infobox? User:Bignole wants to add Spider-Man 3 as preceding the Spider-Man reboot in the infobox, but I say no, using the Batman film series as a precedent. What's the deal? I know I've been informed by you and others to separate the films based on continuity. Your input would be appreciated.-5- (talk) 10:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Questions about merging
Hello

I have some questions about merging. I didn't find the answers in the Help or Wikipedia articles.

Lately, Whizzy has been merged with Streaky the Supercat. The merge is OK, Whizzy has only one appearance in comics and is the descendant of Streaky

1) I understand that there is an interest to keep the discussions in Talk:Whizzy but is there any interest to keep the Templates Comicsproj and WikiProject Cats ? What do they evaluate ? the full article about Streaky the Supercat or just the section about Whizzy. Is there someone who really change the class and the importance of a redirection page ?

2) Is it possible to add the following categories in the redirection page Whizzy ? DC Comics superheroes, Animal superheroes, DC Comics characters who can move at superhuman speeds, DC Comics characters with superhuman strength, DC Comics characters, Fictional cats, ... Because when you will look at Fictional cats you won't see Whizzy but the information about it exists. Maybe Whizzy is not a good example with only one appearance but I am pretty sure that you can find some interesting characters well developped in an article which has not the same name about the team or the comic ...

Hope you will find the time to answer me. Have a nice day. --Crazy runner (talk) 12:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC)


 * In most cases the project tags should be changed to "class=Redirect", that is if the Project tracks redirects.
 * Redirects like this - a seperate character - can be categorized, just like regular pages.
 * - J Greb (talk) 01:27, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Crazy runner (talk) 08:10, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Navboxes
I started a discussion here reguarding your recent good faith edits to character navboxes. This way we can atleast point to a concensus if they are to be enforced.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)