User talk:J Greb/Archive Oct 2011

On PRODs and AFDs response
I have understood your comment. So I guess either deletion WP would go there if one wants to make comments that would prevent a page from deletion. Outside of that, some of the pages I have been working on have been moved by you to the minor (insert Comics company here) causing the other contributors to delink them. Especially the ones who have had other media appearances. Rtkat3 (talk) 7:13, October 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * A PROD can be contested by removing the template. General practice is to state in the edit summary why the PROD is contested. At that point if the editor that PRODed it still think it should go takes it to AfD.
 * What you did linked the page to a closed discussion for an unrelated topic instead of simply de-PRODing.
 * As for the minor characters - honestly, the redirects should not be de-linked. The links should be left to point through to the list article.
 * - J Greb (talk) 23:36, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

AJD
I don't speak english; I'm born at Montreal. Bonjour, mon nom est Antoine Jammal-DesRosiers. J'ai voulu apporté des modifications au document Defenders (comics) et un problème est survenu dans mon ordinateur, ce qui a effacé toutes les anciennes données du document. Je ne voulais pas que cela arrive. Je voulais seulement apporter ma contribution à Wipipedia. Je suis vraiment désolé. Ce n'est pas ce que je voulais. Si jamais vous avez besoin d'aide pour refaire l'article, je serais heureux de vous l'apporter. I'm really so sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.216.145 (talk) 19:06, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

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Birds of Prey edits
In your own words: "...This is NOT an invitation to reword the lead". First of all, EVERYTHING I edited was with the purpose of improving the information and was done in good faith. Second, I did not supressed the File:Birdsofpreybloodandcircuits.jpg from the page (it was another editor who did it). When you undone EVERYTHING I edited, the information about volume 3 of the series (that I had added) was also undone. And the effort that I did to update the information was useless. Please, try to be more polite next time. Thanks. Fma12 (talk) 23:15, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * You know what, updating to add volume 3 is a good idea. BUT doing so to change the character and tone of the 'box to push the in story material over the real world context isn't. Not by a long chalk. Nor is placing a fanservice image. Nor is using an upload you cannot provide more of a than a wikia.
 * I sorry you see trying to head off a can of beans as impolite.
 * Lastly, it you do want to add the 3rd volume, or any multiple volumes within Infobox comics team and title, the parameters are set up for it, so mashing it into one line is necessary. Just follow the example of the existent "vol 2".
 * - J Greb (talk) 23:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's done, I have added Vol. 3. Fma12 (talk) 01:21, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts
Hello J Greb. I wanted to post here rather than clutter up an already cluttered thread. Thank you for all the time that you have put in trying to sort things out. There is, as yet, no consensus to put the fields back in nor does the current thread even seem to be asking for one. I think that all your salient points would come after that but I certainly don't fault your addressing them now. All this talk of "ease for readers" when there is no evidence of what readers want one way or the other is exhausting so I think I will get ready to watch the World Cup Rugby final from New Zealand instead. Thanks again and enjoy the rest of your weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 06:22, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Like the Torchwood userbox and I'm going to be pasting it into my user page. If you haven't seen it before you might want to take a look at the Lord of the Rings one User:UBX/LOTR that I found where the ring moves. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 06:29, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Limits for non-free content?
Hello J.Greb. I have seen an interesting point of discussion on George Perez's article about how many non-free images should be shown in Wiki. I haven't found any help page that mentioned this specific issue (for example: this help page). In the case of artists' articles, I'm in support of establishing a limit for non-free images (one per article? two? how many?). About George Perez in particular, some images shown concern to relevant works of him (New Teen Titans, Wonder Woman vol. 2) but other don't have the same relevancy (Incredible Hulk). Of course this could be taken like a personal opinion about the artist and his work, but I think this could be also a good point to start. If you consider that this should be discussed in other talk page, please let me know and I will post my comment there. Fma12 (talk) 13:44, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * With the NFC images, the tests generally boil down to:
 * No free equivalent (WP:NFCC) - which covers most comic related art and some images of the artists/writers.
 * Most times we aren't going to have "free use" art done by comics artists to show typical style or stylistic progression.
 * BLP limits the situations where non-free images can be used for living people. And for the remainder... sometimes only non-free images exist.
 * This also covers "Does the text describe it well enough?" Test only isn't going to cut it for describing an art style.
 * Minimal usage (WP:NFCC, both parts) in how many and haw detailed.
 * "a" generally limits the number of "similar" images are in use. Basically, that boils down to 1 art image depicting an artist's style during a particular period. It has also generally been applied as "1 per decade" unless there is a more frequent, and pronounced, stylistic change. There has been some play in this with "signature characters" though.
 * "b" comes in with the newspaper strips. Most times, if not all of the time, they are placed as an example of artistic style. That would mean they have to be detailed enough to see the style, but not detailed enough for perfect reproduction.
 * And it worth noting that the number of images that constitute "minimal" can very from article to article. "One or two" may work in a number of case, but ther also cases where 6 or 7, or more, could be proper.
 * Contextual significance (WP:NFCC) - or "Does that belong here?"
 * We've had these issues pop up before - John Buscema comes to mind - and wound up having to an RFC route on the article. Given that and the last spate of stripping it may be time to add a bare-bones check list for the artist bio image use at WP:CMOS.
 * As far as George Pérez specifically goes...
 * Start a discussion on the talk page re the number and type of images. Yes, some of the 6 in use need to go, but it is wise to get a feel for where other editors stand on what's kept and what's removed.
 * My 2¢ - Pérez's style is fairly static, how he drew 30+ years ago is very similar to how he does today. That leaves "signature characters" or works. Knocking that down to 2 or 3 isn't going to be easy.
 * Bibliography section image are almost by definition "decoration".
 * - J Greb (talk) 22:14, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Marvel Animated Universe
Just thought I should let you know that I have now nominated this article for deletion here. Thanks for your input on the Comics project page. --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 02:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * So, I'm going to delete these pages: Template:Marvel Animated Universe, Category:Marvel animated universe, List of Marvel animated universe locations, Category:Marvel animated universe characters, and Category:Marvel animated universe episodes (I would have done these as links, but the categories were being weird). So do I just do AFD for all of them? --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 21:34, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Don Markstein's Toonopedia is back
...but for how long? As you're probably aware, this invaluable resource went dead around July or August, when Markstein was undergoing some serious health issues. The site came back online within the last couple of days. I'm unaware of what's happened in the interim, but for however long it's up, I'm urging WPC members to archive as many of its pages as we can. (WebCitation seems to work with it; Wayback/Internet Archive seems be prevented from archiving due to a web-bot or some such.) I've gone through, so far, all 97 of the comics creators whose articles I created (listed here), and I'll start going through the character, publisher, etc. pages I've created.

In the meantime, I'll add this note to Don Markstein's Toonopedia, and if you could help spread the word, I think archiving its pages is an important thing we could do (and which, obviously, would take a lot of us to do). With regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 17:16, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Protection of templates
Can you please explain why you semi-protected the Marvel Comics films and DC Comics films templates indefinitely? WP:SEMI says, "Administrators may apply indefinite semi-protection to pages which are subject to heavy and persistent vandalism or violations of content policy (such as biographies of living persons, neutral point of view). Semi-protection should not be used as a pre-emptive measure against vandalism that has not yet occurred, nor should it be used solely to prevent editing by unregistered and newly registered users, nor to privilege registered users over unregistered users in content disputes." Neither template's page history shows malicious edits. WP:PROTECT also focuses on vandalism, which does not seem to have occurred here. Can you please consider the settings? I think they are overly stringent for what little has happened. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 11:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Fair enough - J Greb (talk) 21:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Sometimes it's worth keeping an open house even if one has to pick up the guest's cup and plate afterward. :) Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 11:55, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Black Bat
I'm mystified how this was an abuse of dabs. If the pulp character deserves an article (as you imply), then we would need a dab whether the article exists yet or not. I changed the page because I was hoping to find information on the character. There was none. I suppose I can make a stub if you prefer, but changing the dab back to a redirect was not helpful to anyone seeking information. It'll still require disambiguation, you know. Thmazing (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * More the insertion of OR - some of the aspects of the comics character, the inclusion of images - the pulp cover, and going beyond a 1 line explanation of the topics are abusing a dab.
 * It's also worth looking at WP:TWODABS - it may be a bit moot in this case since the links would be to list articles.
 * - J Greb (talk) 21:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The tricky part is that neither character is, really, all that notable in and of themselves. Not giving that aspect of Barbara her own page was the right choice. It would be silly. But a forgotten pulp character doesn't really need his own page either and I wouldn't have acted except that the existence of two characters with the same name and part of different notable traditions, one of whom is mentioned on another page, seems to require some disambiggery.
 * My suggestion is I turn that page into a permanent stub for the pulp character with a link to what's now the redirect. How do you feel about that? Thmazing (talk) 04:53, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Also: fwiw, I did know my solution was a bit weird, but I wasn't aware of a specific policy that regulates an instance like this and was just trying to find a legitimate middle path. If I don't hear from you tonight, I think I'll act on my suggestion above with a little hatnote. It seems the best possible option, as far as I can tell. Thanks for the link, by the way. I've been linkhopping and found a page of templates I'd been wanting for a loooong time. Thmazing (talk) 05:03, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Admins and WikiProject Film
Hello, I thought you would be interested in my request for admins serving as points of contact for WikiProject Film, considering that you have helped with page protection of highly vandalized film articles in the past. You can see the WP:AN discussion here. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 21:17, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Marvel Animated Universe
Template:Marvel Animated Universe has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. I figure this is a little more formal than my last invitation... --ProfessorKilroy (talk) 08:23, 30 October 2011 (UTC)