User talk:J Milburn/archive12

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Myoutdoortv
thanks .... you continue to be extremely helpful and i thank you for that - i am going to put up the original article that had been in wikipedia for almost a year while we work this out. I assume that based on the amount of time that article was running we should be ok. The major reason for the update to our site was, as I mentioned to you early on, based on the number of requests we had about the company. I completely understand the function of Wikipedia and don't want to be anything other than a reference for people. I have put it in the sandbox again just for you to review one last time. User:Ajbaer2/MyOutdoorTV --Ajbaer2 (talk) 14:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC) I put up the original article on MyOutdoorTv assuming that it met old criteria but another admin (talk)is putting this up for speedy deletion. The website is not without interest to the over 100k visitors and government agencies that are partnering with us. You have explained everything very clearly to me so I realized going back to the original was the right thing for now. Is there anything I can do to stop this removal?

--Ajbaer2 (talk) 16:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

A Big Thank You
You've helped me out from the beginning on that Levett page, and you've also shown patience and forebearance with a new Wikipedian, which is most appreciated. Many, many thanks!MarmadukePercy (talk) 18:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Trivium
Hey dude, M3tal H3ad and I were talking about rewriting Trivium (despite both despising them). I know that you are interested in the article also so maby you would like to help. I think it would be funny to rewrite it and sweep the wikiproject off of its feet. I've started working on a section in my sandbox. &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 22:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I probably will not get around to start it until tomorrow. By the way, your talk page is getting kinda long. &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 23:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you maybe want to work on the formation & first album section? Maby M3tal H3ad could do lead and style. He is on the least out of us and I'm working on the Crusade section right now. 23:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That is okay. I only plan on doing those couple of sections. If I do the entire thing it isn't really a collaberation then. I think a bunch of metalheads woking together is pretty friggen awesome. I don;t know if you ever noticed, but metalheads are the most passionate people for their music. &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 23:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Still going to do anything else with it? Burningclean  [speak]  17:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's alright. I'll probably finish it up later, seeing as how M3tal H3ad hasn't been on in a few days. Burningclean  [speak]  17:57, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How did you undo that one dudes edit, even though I edited it in the meantime? Burningclean  [speak]  21:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I know how to use undo, but I thought that it doesn't work if someone else has edited the page in the meantime. Burningclean  [speak]  21:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

creating an alternate accout
Hello J Milburn.

I am attempting to create an alternate account for use on public computers. I first made a request for an account named Vacuum-Cleaners Suck. (too similar to User:Vacuum Cleaners Suck) I then reconsidered and tried to make a request for an account named Jdelanoy. (i.e. mine, without the dot) I even created a subpage to prove that I originated the request. The automated tool said I had already requested an account. I want to take back my request for User:Vacuum-Cleaners Suck, but I don't know how. Any ideas? Can you, as an admin, create User:Jdelanoy for me? I appreciate your help. J.d ela noy gabs adds 03:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. J.d ela noy gabs adds  16:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Richards (actor)
Fastest AfD closer in the Midwest! Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Watko's "What The Hell Is Going On Here?" Podcast
Why o why does this page get deleted yet other pages about podcasts with much less content and cridentials get to stay? One rule for one and not the others, if people are admins/mods, then surely they should show some consistancy, otherwise Wiki is just going to consist of pages that only the mods/admins want to have included, thus the internet community are missing out on information of which they may wish to learn about. Chapmania —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chapmania (talk • contribs) 21:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Poughkeepsie Day School
I re-created this as a stub. Is that OK? Bearian (talk) 22:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

speedy or hasty delete?
A director friend of mine who expected to find more information about me in Wikipedia sent me a link to "Craig Richards" on Wikipedia and noted it's a British DJ, not a reference to me.

So I submitted a page so people could more easily find a reference to me, which does not invalidate the information nor does it make the information untrue. All the information is easily verified by multiple sources including imdb.com.

Agreed, it's always nicer if someone else writes or submits the info other than the subject of the info; however, in view of that oversight, I submitted the information anyway.

I've been an actor since 1977 and was cast in all the roles cited. I worked those films and television shows, so I know I was there. It's difficult for me to comprehend someone else deciding arbritarily that the submission is untrue.

I appreciate your noble endeavor to keep Wikipedia as clean and reliable as possible. Kudos to you. However if you look at my contributions history, you can clearly see I am not a spammer nor have I ever submitted any false information. I suggest your delete of my submission was not only speedy, but also hasty.

For your reference, here is a quick list of the roles (none of them "extras") in which I've been cast over the years that can also be found at http://www.CraigRichards.com/act/resume.html:

Film

Man Maid (Jigsaw Pictures), State Trooper

Punk Love (Blondie Productions), Deputy Sheriff Jones

Surrender (Women Warriors), T. Griffin Sanders

The Majestic (Castle Rock Entertainment), Studio Guard

Rat Race (Alphaville Films/Paramount Pictures), State Trooper Rossi

The Princess Diaries (Disney/Bottom of the Ninth Productions), Father

Corky Romano: "Special" Agent (Disney/Corky Productions), FBI Agent

The Flintstones (Amblin Entertainment), Quarry Worker

On Deadly Ground (Warner Bros. Pictures), Mercenary Sniper

Good Girls Don't (Leo Films), Good Boss

Bustin' Loose (Universal Pictures), Bailiff

Buddy, Buddy (MGM), Attorney

Ice (PM Entertainment Group), Patrol Officer/Stunts

Beach Bunnies (Pirromount Productions), Orderly

Caged Fury (20th Century Fox), EMT

Television

HBO First Look – The Majestic (Castle Rock Entertainment), Studio Guard/Himself

The Micronots! (pilot episodes), Captain Giles Slate (lead)

The Jersey: Bringing The Heat (episode #2.22), Blue Jays Coach

Marilyn & Bobby: Her Final Affair (MOW), Secret Service Agent

Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman (episodic), Swede (multiple episodes)

Pickett Fences (episodic), Camera Technician (multiple episodes)

The Adventures of Brisco County Jr. (episodic), Gambler (multiple episodes)

Café Americain: And Giblets for All (episode #1.9), German Patron

Theatre

The Full Monty, Buddy "Keno" Walsh (principal)

Arsenic and Old Lace, Jonathan Brewster (principal)

The Rocky Horror Show, Narrator (principal)

Stepping Out, Geoffrey (principal)

Light Up The Sky, Sidney Black (lead)

Final Reunion, Congressman William Cheyney (lead)

Making The Call, Secret Service Agent Parker (lead)

Down, Please. Please!, Dick Mason (principal)

The Hardy Boys and the Mystery of Where Babies Come From, Mr. Hardy (principal)

Heaven Can Wait, Tony Abbot (principal)

Finishing Touches, Jeff Cooper (lead)

Barefoot in the Park, Paul Bratter (lead)

Mr. Moto Meets Killer, Mr. Moto (title lead)

Not With My Daughter..!, Rip Tracy (lead)

Laura, Detective Mark McPherson (lead)

Play It Again, Sam, Bogey* (lead)

The Impossible Years, Richard Merrick (lead)

The Silver Whistle, Reverend Watson (principal)

Born Yesterday, Assistant Hotel Manager

Please reconsider the delete of /Craig_Richards_Actor or, if you have any other questions or concerns, I encourage you to contact me directly.

Craig Richards (talk) 03:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hasty Delete
Why were drug and alcohol intervention deleted they were unbiased articles written by myself a recovering crack cocaine addict as well as an alcoholic. They were not intended to push some website. The information found as cited in the references is from a intervention website that I am in no way a part of I was just attempting to offer valuable information to those wondering about drug and alcohol intervention since I have experience with the topic being the product of an intervention. --Williamgdonovan (talk) 20:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Alcohol and Drug Intervention
So am I permitted to repost the articles? Should I just leave out the external Links? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgdonovan (talk • contribs) 20:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

About becoming a sysop
I don't want to because the last thing I need is to go back to that godforsaken battleground called RFA. I can handle having to report to AIV instead of blocking them myself anyway.  Two One Six Five Five  τʃ 21:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's put me off forever.  Two One Six Five Five  τʃ 01:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

HMM / FL
Hi mate, I hope all is well. Do you know how to create parameters for FLs? Currently, the Metal Project has a few FLs which have been tagged as FAs. It'd be great to fix this. LuciferMorgan (talk) 10:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it would be great to differentiate, and create parameters on the template which outlines the articles in question as FLs. If the talk page template parameters can be fixed, a HMM category for FLs made etc., that'd be cool. Currently, the stats say the project has 25 FAs - in my eyes, it's 19 FAs and 6 FLs. Hope I'm making sense. LuciferMorgan (talk) 11:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you make a list class also? It'd be much appreciated. LuciferMorgan (talk) 23:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Sockiness
So, once upon a time, there was a troll named tom.mevlie. He liked the Novels wikiProject. He was banned, and came back the next day as DangerTM, also in the same project. He got found out and banned again. Now, in the exact same project, scant days later, we have WilliamMThompson. Another "total newbie" to Wikipedia attempting to get election discussion running, and totally agreeing with DangerTM's opinions!

That being said, how would I find out if this fellow is the troll? I don't really want to let the guy know I suspect him, and I think the formal sockpuppet page tends to alert people. Howa0082 (talk) 13:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I'll contact the person you mentioned. (Maybe I'll foot a notion with higher-ups to change the names of block and ban to things that DON'T start with 'b'. I know I'm not the only one who confuses the two.) Howa0082 (talk) 16:27, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't want to let the guy know you suspect him? Reading over the welcome page on my talk page, something caught my eye, and it was about ten links down, I think it said something along the lines of "Assume good faith". I want everyone to have their own opinions, everyone should be free, and even when it comes under assuming good faith everyone should be able to voice their opinions, but maybe something that could easily fall into the shady category of "slander" should be considered mor closely. I am not offended, but bemused.WilliamMThompson (talk) 05:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Adding to my last comment, maybe you should read this, my adopter refered me to it:

In some cases it may not be completely clear whether an account is a sock puppet, as the purpose is usually to avoid detection. Similarities in interests and editing style can be noted, but not everyone may be familiar enough with the user to understand the evidence. Keep in mind there can be multiple users who are driven to start participating in Wikipedia for the same reason, particularly in controversial areas such as articles about politics, religion, or articles for deletion.

If you have been accused incorrectly of being a sock puppet, do not take it too personally. New users are unknown quantities. Stay around a while and make good edits, and your record will speak for itself. That generally is the only real way to prove that you are not anyone's puppet; even CheckUser cannot give anything beyond a negative confirmation. WilliamMThompson (talk) 07:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Mutamassik delete
Can I please get a copy of the deleted article created by Mayo.hirabayashi? Thank you! User_talk:Mayo.hirabayashi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katiehargrave (talk • contribs) 20:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Sockpup
Don't worry about it, I accept that there are users out there who want to believe that people are there to do bad things, I wasn't accusing you of accusing me, it just seemed like that what where the discussion was going down. WilliamMThompson (talk) 10:11, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

The Uniques
As of the moment, The Uniques (comics) page is practically blank because the writers asked me to set the formatting up for the page so that they could fill the information in later today. I've also updated the image to being under a fair use policy, and I have full authorisation to use the image as I see fit from the permission of the copyright holders. Please can you send me a message to say what needs to be done so that this page isn't deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LStuchbury (talk • contribs) 11:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. We are currently adding references to the article to back it up, but this may take a day or so, how much grace do we have? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LStuchbury (talk • contribs) 13:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Hugh Kininmonth
Please explain why the Hugh Kininmonth article may be deleted. I have created a brief piece of information about the Labour candidate for Coromandel and will expand it as more information is posted via his blog - of which I am directly involved. His blog site is reliable as a source as everything written on it is only made public when Hugh has given his approval to it. I am new to using wikipedia, and your advise regarding how to set up an article properly is valued. Please do not delete the article as I feel it provides valuable information - more so as the election year intensifies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sugnaguy (talk • contribs) 05:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Struck a Nerve
Sorry about that, I don't know how I completely misread a one line article. Guest9999 (talk) 18:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I just expanded it instead. I hope none of you mind. Alex (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Jason Rae
Excuse me? Personal attack? It's a talk page and I was talking about the subject at hand. If you think the page should be deleted, that's fine. Feel free to add to the conversation. Don't go attacking me personally and definitely don't threaten me. I demand an apology. James1906 —Preceding unsigned comment added by James1906 (talk • contribs) 18:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Trust me, I have no desire to play games either. Let's not forget who started this.  You messaged me first, you attacked me, and you threatened me.  If you don't way to play games, then you shouldn't have thrown the first pitch.  James1906  —Preceding comment was added at 18:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh please! What I first wrote was brash, but by no means was a personal attack.  Nobody's name was given.  It was a general statement on something I find detrimental to Wikipedia.  Now you're trying to act like you were doing a public service for me.  You were attacking me and patronizing me.  When you start your sentence with 'last warning' in bold type, you are obviously trying to inflame.  Of course I'm going to take offense to someone who treats me like a child.  If you don't want to argue this anymore, that's fine with me.  I want that too.  However, that requires that you leave me alone and that you leave my posts alone.  Thank you in advance for this James1906  —Preceding comment was added at 18:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Please assume good faith and don't inflame other contributors. You might want to consider offering constructive criticism. Work with people, not against them. This really seems to be a trend of yours lately. I know you're just a teenager and when I was 17, I acted a lot like you. Just remember that the more you learn, the less you know. You still have plenty of living and learning ahead of you. James1906 (talk) 02:25, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Paula Midena
hey, i just got my page about CEP News deleted because i did not present why the subject was relevant or important. i want to fix this problem, but i cant find the page i made before it was deleted and i dont have the time to redo the page over. where can i find the page i created two weeks ago? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.101.117.130 (talk) 18:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied on User talk:204.101.117.130. J Milburn (talk) 18:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

ok i am online, ready for restoration, once you've done this i ll quickly go in and make the necessary edits so the page can be publishd. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmidena (talk • contribs) 19:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

what do i specfically need to change about my CEP News page so that it can be published and accessible on wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmidena (talk • contribs) 20:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

how does the page look now, is it alright and publishable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmidena (talk • contribs) 20:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Peer review/Strapping Young Lad/archive1
Hi! Would you mind looking at the Strapping Young Lad peer review? You promised you would, but then maybe there's no problem with the article at all, that's why you haven't commented;) Gocsa (talk) 15:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Keith_Norman "absurdly speedy delete"
I am astonished to be deleted in the MIDDLE of beginning to edit my first page when I had cited internally (ASLEF) and externally (ASLEF and SWT). ASLEF is an influential union and about to go on a strike for 4 days which will affect many tens if not hundreds of thousands of British travellers. Their General Secretary (a union term meaning the big boss) has been in post for 4 years and is still a stub. I thought to start the ball rolling, inspired by reading "Here Comes Everybody" and other work which referencing Wikipedia... and how people - including those like me who have published in the Technology Review, The Guardian, The Times and Scientific American as well as for institutions ranging from WHO and UN bodies to British Government Departments, might be allowed to dip a toe in the water before developing a deeper relationship with Wiki. To be deleted in the middle of trying to construct a page, when the information and links self-evidently attest to the importance of the content, if not the correct way of going about it as a newbie, frankly beggars belief. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unknown Supremo (talk • contribs) 20:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC) Unknown Supremo (talk) 20:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

And viz your vaunted "libertarian (maybe)" and "Very strong belief in social freedoms", you might like to consider mine, and those of the many many people whose will be affected by Keith Norman.

People learn by doing.

You might like to remember Hayek's remark that "Perhaps the fact that we have seen millions voting themselves into complete dependence on a tyrant has made our generation understand that to choose one's government is not necessarily to secure freedom" as you go about governing Wikipedia in such a way that the two of us sitting at this table - with two Oxbridge firsts between us, since qualifications seem to interest you - are rather shocked.

Unknown Supremo (talk) 20:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Version 7
My best guess is that somebody was using the articles as a notepad, perhaps to collaborate with others. Cheers TigerShark (talk) 20:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Surrey SSSI
Yes, I'm working my way through them. Thanks for noticing, there's rather a lot but I'm adding links & references. SuzanneKn (talk) 21:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Konstantin Brazhnik
Why do you get to define who is notable and who is not? Konstantin Brazhnik is well-known in central Virginia, and has lots of friends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kosherbacon (talk • contribs) 21:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for deletion
Thanks for deleting Template R&B and Soul Music Selected article as I forgot the silly colon and re-made the page...Template R&B and Soul Music Selected article Is there something I should put on the article to signal a boo boo for deletion. I wrote a blurb in edit summary is there anything else I should do? SriMesh | talk  22:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note about the deletion tag, will file it away. Kind Regards SriMesh |  talk  22:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

SAIMUN
Hey mate you recenently quick deleted an artichle called saimun. I am new to this and hadn't got around to doing the neccessary citing and whatever. What happened was I need to restart my pc in a hurry and clicked save before it was ready to be published. Although the artichle may not be the most relevant similar artichles exist refering to similar things in the united states. Not quite sure if its fully relevant though. Anyway nice job on the quick delete, that was pretty quick. So If you can restore it, that would be nice and if not, could you try not delete it next time. Thanks. Chris. Oh yeah that would have been - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saimun

Thanks for that, yeah I probably won't publish it for a while then make sure its ok. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Errlloyd (talk • contribs) 23:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Godspy on Afd
An article you recently commented on has been listed on Articles for deletion/Godspy. Toddst1 (talk) 23:22, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

recovery of deleted content for NetBox Blue
Hello, can you please provide me with the deleted content for NetBox Blue? my username is Mickyounger Thanks

Question re deleted page
Hi, can you give more details as to why my page on dbMotion was deleted? There are other pages with similar content from other companies. Should it have been a stub? Thanks!--Marcdb (talk) 11:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Paula Midena
Hey, how do i get my CEP News page up, i see tons of pages for companies that are more or less just descriptions or bios of the firm. why can't i publish this page. I made the links, to other wiki pages as sources for what i am talking about. Its relevant because we are a new canadian newswire. Can you specefically tell me what i need to put in the article for it to be publisher because your wiki guidlines are not very clear. SEE PAGE: Canadian Econimic Press (CEP NEWS) Pmidena (talk) 13:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

TrashMail
The reason I didn't delete the article is because it isn't blatant spam. It has the potential to be notable, if you combine a Google News search that returns at least one probably valid article, a web search returns almost 50,000 hits, and the service has been around for five years (respectable in computer time). I felt it at least bordered on notability, and didn't meet G11, which was the speedy tag.

You might also consider not BITEing? The article had been created for less than five minutes when the speedy tag went on it, and you've got comments that border on harassment on the talk page. Things like "provide sources in 10 minutes or I'm deleting it" are a tad rough. Wikipedia doesn't have a time limit, and articles are collaborative. Just some thoughts to consider.

If you still feel it's not notable, please take to Afd. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Paula Midena
OK i'll add the third party sources to the article, is the home website of the company vaild, because i looked at companies like Reuters and their wiki pages cite their page with their home webpages. Can you restore my page once again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmidena (talk • contribs) 14:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

i m gonna do a new page tomorrow, can you just delete my old page for good, and i ll start fresh tomorrow. thanx204.101.117.130 (talk) 19:38, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

i am logged in now, can u delete it, i dont know how to tag/delete a page, thanx. Pmidena (talk) 19:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

thanxPmidena (talk) 19:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Azrael
I would be very much into joining this, thank for the offer. Also, you had changed the "Self....Goat" release to 2 releases, and it is actually 1 release, done as a double cd. Goatkid —Preceding comment was added at 22:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Ontario stubs
What need to do first is to start the articles, then development. I will like to expand the stubs, but if you see the other Ontario stubs, they are of one, two or three sentences. I will like to see some references which are applicable for all the communities, i.e. information about all the communities are present.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 23:06, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: lds.net
Thanks for letting me know why my page was deleted. I based it another social network page, which I now notice has been marked for deletion too. I'll try again Moregoodfoundation (talk) 02:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Lady in the Lake trial
You should take this one to FAC definitely, and I reckon it'll pass FAC with little problems. Thought you'd like me to chip in with that. LuciferMorgan (talk) 10:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Wave power
Thanks for correcting my error when archiving Talk:Wave power! Crowsnest (talk) 13:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Simply RISC
I've read the guidelines and I still think that the stub of article about the company Simply RISC that you have deleted was acceptable.

Please consider for instance this EETimes article: http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=193001498

And take into account that Wikipedia has an article for a Simply RISC product that should link here.

Fafa1971 (talk) 16:22, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

User_talk:Fafa1971 —Preceding comment was added at 16:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

More on Hugh Kininmonth and on Denis Dutton and a thank you
Thanks for the response and for directing me to relevant material on Wikipedia criteria. I am relatively new to having a shot at getting involved but have made extensive use of Wikipedia for some years now. It is a great resource. Initially I was reading an entry on David Henderson and noticed a link reference to what I was sure was another David Henderson so I put in a comment that the link should be deleted because it was a different David Henderson. I then came on an entry on a Denis Dutton which wasn't written very well or in a neutral manner so I decided to have a shot at cleaning it up. I decided to see what the person had done by looking on the web and quickly came to the conclusion that he wasn't at all notable and was then wondering why I was even bothering to clean up his entry. Not that he is the most non notable person or entry I have come across in Wikipedia. Anyway, I put in a query in the discussion, 'Why the entry?'. And then, perhaps a bit unwise, made a tongue in cheek addition to the Dutton entry. Someone then decided to nominate the entry for deletion and I have been participating in the discussion. I looked at Wikipedia criteria and it seemed, to me, that the Dutton entry just didn't meet those criteria. I argued the case on the Deletion page but have been surprised that rather than argue the case, the practice, in the discussion, has been to argue and impute malicious intent to my making a case for deletion. Then some changed their mind from delete to keep on the basis that the entry meets the standard in practice. I then looked at what was the practice by looking at other deletion discussions and found that they were right, so thought maybe the criteria are irrelevant and maybe I was being harsh in arguing for deletion. However, on reading the material you directed me to, I think that I was right in my original view. If entries that merit deletion are kept Wikipedia will just become more and more poluted. Thanks for directing me to that material.

--203.214.15.223 (talk) 17:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Kaldor's growth laws
Sorry and thank you - I just went away for a min and you'd put the numbered list in and left your unkind little comment. I realise I should have written something more substantial before starting but hadn't realised how quick someone would do something. I will add more to make it more useful later (Msrasnw (talk) 17:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC))

Reply
You do know I didn't create that article, right?-- RyRy5   talk  17:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's OK, I'm just giving you a notice. The only thing I did to that article is move it.-- RyRy5   talk  18:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was but...something just came up, you know. Cheers.-- RyRy5   talk  18:06, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. I think that's better.-- RyRy5   talk  18:16, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

United Abominations
Hey, would you mind reviewing at Peer review/United Abominations/archive2? I wan't it for FA. Thanks, Burningclean  [speak]  01:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Monster chat!
In case you haven't seen it, a request was made to have a centralized place to chat, so I created one: User talk:BOZ/List of Dungeons & Dragons monsters

Also, if you're feeling bogged down in working up the tables (I know I got that way), you can always leave off some of the descriptions. Other people will always fill them in later once we go live, or you can just go back and do it yourself. Just a suggestion - I decided to drop it after the 1E Monster Manual just so I could feel like I was making some progress. :) BOZ (talk) 01:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I took care of 1E AD&D about as well as needs to be done. I've put a dent in 2E, and I'm going to do more before moving on.  Basic D&D (that which ran concurrent from 1977-1999 alongside both 1E & 2E) hasn't been touched, nor has 3.5e - i estimate at this rate, we'll be ready to go in about another week? BOZ (talk) 19:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * See what I did with the index page and let me know what you think. BOZ (talk) 19:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * But otherwise an OK idea? I can cut it down to one book each, but it's not always obvious which is the "main" book - that might even be considered subject to POV, I don't know. I wasn't thinking of doing anything more than having links to the sections on the other pages. If you had something else in mind, please demonstrate so that I can get a better idea of where you're coming from. BOZ (talk) 19:54, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That's exactly what I was thinking. Maybe instead of links or the one table per edition on the index approach, we could give an overview of how monsters were presented in each edition, and how each one differs from the other? For example, the 3E overview could state that creature types were introduced, and the 3.5 overview would state that some of the types were dropped, etc. The overview would also identify specific notable books for each edition.


 * A few problems come up with having tables on the index page; besides those I listed above (which is the "main" book(s)?) Also, if you have some tables on that page and some on the subpages, that could lead to confusion for future editors about what belongs where. BOZ (talk) 20:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, finding sources is something I know almost nothing about, but that doesn't mean there isn't someone who does know something about it. That independent sources for all information thing can be quite vexing. :\ But glad you like the concept at least. BOZ (talk) 20:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, you meant sources in general, not just third-party source. Aha! Well yes, I'm fairly certain there have been articles on the differences between this edition and that edition, although not necessarily for each change.  There are indexes to Dragon online such as Dragondex and one I haven't checked out, Tholos. BOZ (talk) 01:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, Shadzar said that he has the Dragon magazine archive CD-Rom. I myself have it, but have yet to install it on a computer that's currently functional that I have access to. :) BOZ (talk) 03:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Oxford Diocesan Guild of Church Bell Ringers
I agree with your decision. At first glance at the original, its was poorly written, so I dubbed it with as, well, it simply didn't assert notability or explain why the article was there. What were they wanting to get across. After you removed the tag, I decided to do a Google search and found +9,000 hits....so there is something there. Thanks  D u s t i talk to me 18:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar notice
I've awarded you a barnstar for hard work on new page patrol and speedying a seriously large amount of nonsense articles. And it isn't even April 1 yet :( Stifle (talk) 19:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Enfeebled Earth
Just a friendly heads up on Enfeebled Earth. I had already proposed this for deletion back in January, and the prod was contested. If you think it needs to go, AfD is the only option left. --Fabrictramp (talk) 20:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

qtpsgui
To fill the redlink in the extended data of images such as Image:Chester cathedral nave.jpg. Regards --Joopercoopers (talk) 21:51, 31 March 2008 (UTC)