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A beer for you!

 * I couldn't agree more. No hard feelings on my part; I do hope we can work together again in the future. Let's try to avoid any argument (though allowing respectful disagreement!) when the discussions/votes for next year's rules changes open up soon. Josh Milburn (talk) 22:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's a good plan. I promise to keep my comments succinct and on point, and I won't argue for the sake of it if I can help it. What do you think of my alternate plan: ? We could run them concurrently, and people could choose which they like best, and more people would be happy and engaged. RO (talk)  23:05, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I've certainly got no objections to new competitions being set up, as long as they're run responsibly (and so don't give any ammunition to the anti-WikiCup crew). A lot of competitions have taken inspiration for the WikiCup- some have been very successful (the Stub Contest is an old competition that has recently become a bit more WikiCup-like, while the GA Cup has grown out of the GAC backlog elimination drives on the one hand and the WikiCup on the other- both are excellent), while others (like the now-deleted Amazing Race Wikipedia and the Bacon Challenge, as well as some versions on other Wikipedias) didn't work out. I will say, though, that running a competition is a lot of work. Josh Milburn (talk) 12:23, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't doubt it's a lot of work. I wouldn't run it myself, but if people wanted it maybe we could run it concurrently with the cup, and have the same judges. It would be more like a second division of the cup. RO (talk)  15:46, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Boys Don't Cry (again)
Alright, I believe that I have done everything! Tell me whether it looks good or whether there's anything more I should do. :) Johanna  (formerly BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 00:52, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

POTD notification
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Just to let you know, the Featured Picture File:Cymbiola imperialis 01.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on September 30, 2015. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2015-09-30. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:45, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

GAR notification
Chrome Division, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.--Retrohead (talk) 09:15, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for this inconvenience, as the other two articles (Alphastates and Byzantine) I've listed for reassessment were written by users who are not active anymore, and forgot to check this one.--Retrohead (talk) 09:20, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Cave of the Patriarchs
the Wikipedia article on the machpelah cave has this information: "Israeli authorities have placed restrictions on calling the faithful to prayer by the muezzin of the Ibrahimi mosque. The order was enforced 61 times in October 2014, and 52 times in December of that year. The reason given is that the call to prayer bothers Jewish settlers in the city." I believe it is unbalanced if it doesn't include the information here. I don't want to add it myself because of my partiality. Could you, please? -- Naytz (talk) 18:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Naytz; I'm afraid I have no interest in editing that article on behalf of others, and I am not in a position to judge the reliability of the article you have linked. If you're uncomfortable editing the article, you may want to raise the issue on the article's talk page, or perhaps on Neutral point of view/Noticeboard. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!! --Naytz (talk) 17:55, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Freida Pinto
Thanks for your copy edits. Do you think the prose meets FA standards? &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 12:49, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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Rod Steiger
Thankyou for your constructive comments during the peer review. Featured article candidates/Rod Steiger/archive1 is underway if you'd care to comment further. Cheers. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will make time to have a look. I am fairly sure I will be supporting. Josh Milburn (talk) 15:51, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

POTD notification
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Just to let you know, the Featured Picture File:Calocoris affinis.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 7, 2015. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2015-10-07. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:38, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks
Many thanks for the GAN review, Josh! Regarding your comment about potential FAC, I know that there are indeed a number of older German sources on the subject (all of which are cited by Goodrick-Clarke), however it may well also be that there have been more recent studies undertaken too that I am currently unaware of. Unfortunately, my German is largely non-existent so I don't have any plans to utilise them in the near future. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 17:00, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

You've got mail!
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 * I've replied- I hope it's useful. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Boys Don't Cry one more time
Just trying to reach out to you one last time. If I don't get a response here for some reason, I think I'll just nominate it myself. Thanks! :) Johanna  (formerly BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 00:04, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that completely slipped my mind. I'll try to find some time for another look through- it is looking much, much better, though. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:32, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It's looking very strong; I'm sure some ironing wouldn't hurt it, but I think sending it FAC-wards again wouldn't be a bad idea. The trick would be to find a few people who are willing to give it a good look through. Maybe some people from the LGBT project would be happy to give it a look. I'll certainly do my best to find some time myself. Josh Milburn (talk) 19:58, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

File:American Horror Story-Hotel, cast art.jpg
Hi Milburn, can you please check if the above image is usable as a non-free content in the article, American Horror Story: Hotel? Its actually quite large, with blank spaces on either side, but reducing it would render them useless so it will make them useless. — Indian: BIO  [ ChitChat  ] 07:04, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The rationale's woefully inadequate (and straight up incorrect) but, given the unusual costumes and visual style, it does look like a plausibly acceptable use of a non-free image- and, indeed, an unusually large one. Perhaps (given that it's a publicity photo released to advertise the series) you could consider shifting it to the infobox, to replace the one currently used. Josh Milburn (talk) 17:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

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Once again, thank you.

 * Thanks! Josh Milburn (talk) 22:05, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Meteora
I just replaced the cover with a 300px version. Please check it. Thank you. Mike: Golu  · [ Confidential message  ] 04:24, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

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Invitation
Not sure if you're interested, but we'd love to have you if you are. RO (talk) 22:04, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty swamped, so I'm afraid I can't take anything on right now- best of luck with it all! Josh Milburn (talk) 17:16, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

PR request
I had to withdraw the nomination because of certain issues. Since you did an extensive review during the FAC, it would be really nice if you could offer some comments at the peer review. Thanks, &mdash; Vensatry (ping) 13:00, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll try to find some time to take a look. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Trial of Elizabeth Gadge
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article The Trial of Elizabeth Gadge you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Johanna -- Johanna (talk) 02:41, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

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Give Me Your Everything
May you can review Give Me Your Everything against the GA criteria? Cartoon network freak (talk) 05:21, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm very busy at the moment; I may find some time to have a look, but I'm afraid I can't promise anything. Josh Milburn (talk) 07:25, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

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Marilyn Monroe
Hi, any chance you could give this a review at Peer review/Marilyn Monroe/archive1? A core article if ever there was one which really needs a good review.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:12, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invite- a combination of workload and visiting family makes this week a busy one, but I'll try to find some time. Josh Milburn (talk) 11:52, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's Susie's article, I reviewed it for GA and was keen that it had a good peer review. I may be doing the same with Sinatra in a week or two!♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:11, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Source review?
This will be the last favor, I swear, and I owe you a bazillion once this FAC is done. It just needs a formal source review at this point. If you could do that, that would be great, but if not, no worries. :) Johanna  (formerly BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 03:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! There will be many readers who will appreciate your diligent work on the article. Josh Milburn (talk) 17:13, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

RIhanna PDF's
Hey, I want to use some info from the PDF's you sent me. But how do I make one of the further reading's you added on the article into an inline citation elsewhere? — Calvin999 10:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You could just cut-paste the further reading item into a reference, so that it looks like
 * Smith argued that the song blah blah.
 * And this would mean that the journal reference appeared in your reflist, along with the other references. Alternatively, you could create a "Cited sources" or "Bibliography" section and refer to the sources in short form, perhaps using a template like sfn or sfnm. Does this answer your question? Have a bash, and if you make a mess of it, let me know and I'll clean it up as much as I can. Josh Milburn (talk) 13:11, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. There's actually quite a lot of info in those three sources. I'm not sure what is necessary to include and what isn't. — Calvin999  16:26, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd say we should be favouring the academic sources, so certainly don't skimp on it. We're an encyclopedia after all! Josh Milburn (talk) 17:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

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File:Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It) screenshot.jpg
The old revision that you deleted—is it the same as the current revision or bigger? --George Ho (talk) 04:28, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking now, it seems that the old version was basically the same screenshot, but (very) slightly smaller and grainier. Josh Milburn (talk) 19:19, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Change the World
Hi J Milburn, thanks for the reply. I've nominated the article now. Could you please read "Change the World" one time, and correct the grammar or typo mistakes? Thanks very much! :-) Matthias! --Matthiasberoli (talk) 15:50, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I haven't got the time for that at the moment; if you nominate it at GAC, hopefully the reviewer will be able to help you out in that regard. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:34, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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Question about DYK and the Wikicup
Per this thread, does this make sense to you ? That submission was 5x expanded and a GA, but says that because I listed GA as a reason at DYK the entry is ineligible for Wikicup points even though it was also expanded five times. The version I nomed had 1,012 words, and the version when I started to expand it had 177 words. So this was both a 5x expansion and a GA, but Miyagawa says my "intention" was GA, so it doesn't count. RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk) 20:33, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you want from me here. Whether I agree with you or M, the competition is over, so we probably shouldn't be changing points around anyway. I'm not a judge, and the discussion has been closed on the WikiCup talk page- I've no desire to stir up trouble. Sorry. If it would be valuable for you, I can take a look and say what decision I personally would have made, but it won't be until tomorrow evening. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:59, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I know. Our points don't matter. Whatever. RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  21:01, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if that's not the answer you were looking for. I will say, though, that I stepped down from being a WikiCup judge for a reason, and I must confess that being dragged back into this kind of thing is not at the top of my list of priorities, despite the fact I think the Cup a fantastic project and worth my full support. Josh Milburn (talk) 21:33, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not complicated, Josh. The DYK was a 5x expansion and a new GA, so on what basis could this not be eligible for Wikicup points? Miyagawa says I lost the points because I didn't mark 5x at DYK, but DYK and Wikicup are two different things. I added it as a Wikicup entry because I knew it was eligible. This place is so needlessly tedious that I'm not surprised you can't keep editors. Goodbye! RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  21:43, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Like you, I am just a volunteer here. I feel that you are taking out frustration on me and that this is misdirected. Josh Milburn (talk) 22:04, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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WikiCup is actually contributing to backlogs

 * Note: I am not a WikiCup participant myself, my interest in this is reducing Wikipedia community backlogs.

By introducing a token economy system, WikiCup is making it about eight (8) times more rewarding to nominate to GA than to review for GA.

This means people will be incentivized to gain points by focusing all their energies on flooding Good Article nominations, and not reviewing, as reviews are less points.

How do we fix this, without even allowing a "note" about it?

Can we please do something to help stem the tide and address the backlogs?

Thank you,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:04, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not your enemy here. I review far, far more than I nominate. I just don't appreciate the bull-in-a-China-shop undiscussed changes to the WikiCup pages. We originally had low points for GA reviews specifically to discouraged people from engaging in very large numbers of substandard reviews- the points were very delicately token. Perhaps it's time to change that- but we change it through discussion, not through unilateral changes. Josh Milburn (talk) 17:10, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed countless GA candidates in the last week. I've spend time and effort on good quality reviews. I've been patient with people and put articles on hold that I could have failed outright. I did not fail most of them but worked back-and-forth with people to help them. And I feel I have not made a dent in the ocean. There is over a six-month backlog. WikiCup is not actually even helping with this, it is hurting this. Surely something can be done? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:12, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I can see both angles here. On the one hand, we don't want frantic races to earn points to undermine the quality of GA reviews, but on the other, the 4 points awarded for them are not incentive enough to do the work. When the top three Wikicup participants have 8,876 points between them, but have done only four reviews combined, there should be no doubt that the Wikicup is not incentivizing GA reviews, and as Cirt said, is actually contributing to the backlog. I was told we have a GA cup already, and that's the point of that event, so the Wikicup need not incentivize GA reviews. Maybe the points aren't the issue, but the Wikicup should be requiring some form of QPQ for all entries. IDK. RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  17:30, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * This is NOT asking for a "quid pro quo". This is asking for a fix to the current imbalance. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:32, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Then how do you think we can balance this, if not with a QPQ? RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  17:33, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * By having a better balance between GA points and Review points. That does NOT imply a "quid pro quo" it implies fixing the current imbalance which is quite lopsided and damaging to Wikipedia's backlogs. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:36, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * How many points are you suggesting? RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  17:37, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Certainly more than 1/8 as much as nominating. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:46, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Cirt, I have little time for the "The WikiCup is contributes to review backlogs and therefore the WikiCup is evil" argument, which you're drifting close to. Producing large amounts of high-quality content is not damaging the project, even if it would be decent of people to take on their fair share of reviewing insofar as they are able. (And let's be clear- people could be taking on their share of reviewing without participating in GAC or peer review, or even doing much reviewing right now.) I am completely open to the idea of the WikiCup doing something more to encourage reviewing, but let's not pretend that the WikiCup is somehow harming Wikipedia because it's encouraging the creation/development of lots of GA-quality articles... (Also, and this is a side-point- if Editor1 nominates a strong article for GA status, she's not necessarily "taking" a review from Editor2, who nominates one afterwards, or from Editor3, who has been waiting for a review for months. Typically, I won't say "right, I am reviewing 2 GA nominees tonight- time to roll the dice!" I'll scroll through the list to see what I fancy. If there's nothing there of interest, there's a good chance I won't review anything...) Josh Milburn (talk) 17:51, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

, please, I am NOT saying the WikiCup is "evil". I like the WikiCup. I haven't tried it yet myself, but I think it's great to encourage high quality contributions from our community. Please don't read things into my mind that are not there. Thank you, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:54, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't say you said that. This isn't complicated. Josh Milburn (talk) 17:58, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 18:00, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

, thank you for acknowledging that I do not think WikiCup is "evil". Far from it. I love the idea of fostering high quality contributions. But there is a token economy going on that results in incentivized GA nominating and basically discouraging spending time on reviewing. As noted, above, by, the top three Wikicup participants have 8,876 points between them, but have done only four reviews combined. Do you see that as a problem? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 18:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * First thing: "the top three Wikicup participants ... have done only four reviews combined". Not true. As you yourself have noted, FAC reviews don't count. Neither do other kinds of review which are important. These participants have been doing at least some level of reviewing outside of those for which they have been awarded WikiCup points. To answer your question: I recognise it as a problem, to a given degree of "problem". Longer answer: If you asked me to choose between a lower GAC backlog and a higher number of good quality articles, I would of course choose the latter. It would be a weird kind of navel-gazing to say otherwise. (I realise that this is probably a false dilemma, but it's nonetheless instructive.) That said, I note that Godot hasn't actually nominated any GAs in addition to not reviewing any, so his contribution to the issue is 0. I reviewed three of Cas's five GAs so far this round- I'm quite happy to say that he wasn't "taking" reviews from anyone else, as I reviewed them specifically because they were his (and in an area I thought interesting). He's also involved in a good amount of FAC reviewing (and, indeed, has been for years). The numbers alone don't prove very much. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:52, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The numbers might not prove much, but I think they do indicate that reviews are an inefficient way to earn Wikicup points. If they weren't you'd see the leaders using them to boost their points, which they almost never do. RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  19:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I definitely agree that reviews are an inefficient way to earn points. Josh Milburn (talk) 19:23, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

But how many GAs have they nominated? The answer isn't very many, so while there may be some degree of disparity between the number of GA reviews and nominations, it's not a large number. DYK is on a QPQ basis so all the points there are balanced by all the necessary reviews. And I've seen Casliber review at FAC so, again, I doubt there's any problem here that can be laid at the foot of the Cup rather than a decline of the # of GA reviewers. And if you tally up the numbers of GA vs the number of GA reviews, which is quite easily done by paging through the result of each round, I think that you'll find that there are more reviews than noms.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:55, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I happen to agree with everything said above. But I also think that the imbalance of GAs being 8 times higher than GA Reviews is a bit too much and does cause a token economy that may dissuade reviewing, which would be unfortunate. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:37, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps there's some compromise fix we can come to here to at least partially address the discrepancy? Something between the status quo and my ideas? What do you think? Do you have any suggestions? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 22:27, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. I definitely like that GA reviews are a part of the WikiCup, and I am pleased to see that PR has been integrated rather nicely. I am nervous about the idea of FAC becoming a part of the WikiCup due to the previous opposition from some members of the FAC crowd. I am definitely opposed to instituting some kind of mandatory "you must review in order to nominate" stuff, as I don't like telling people what to do. Some people just aren't very comfortable/capable when it comes to reviewing, or may not be interested in any of the topics currently up for review. And that's fine. What I am not opposed to an increase in points for GAC/PR, but you can expect vocal opposition from those who don't like the idea of increasing reviewing points above the bottom level article points (IE, short DYKs- 5 points). Would I support increasing GAC/PR points? I think I probably would. 5? 8? 10? 12? 15 sounds too much. Maybe more than 10 (IE- long DYKs and ITN) is too much. The judges will probably be opening a kind of "what should we change" discussion in the next couple of months, and I definitely think we should present our case there. 16:12, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I think 12 would be quite better than 4. Maybe could you perhaps bring that up at the next discussion? &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:35, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll let you know when these discussions start, and possibly start the discussion myself. Josh Milburn (talk) 17:13, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, thank you! Not asking for much, any slight improvements would be appreciated! Thanks very much for your polite and professional demeanor and your advice! &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Seriously? Two and a half GA reviews = 1 GA? Two GA reviews > 1 FP?  ~3 GA reviews = 1 FPortal?  These values are ridiculous. Just require one (or even two) good article review(s) for a GA to be counted, don't devalue everything else. There's literally no reason not to enforce a number of reviews to every GA scored, after all, but very good reasons not to put a reviews too near other content. This isn't the GA cup; we shouldn't try to make clearing out the GA reviews - and no other work -  a viable way to win a content creation competition. Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:45, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Adam, I disagree strongly with the idea that we "enforce" (that word alone is an indication of why...) a given number of GA reviews. Like I said, there would be people opposed to your proposal! Josh Milburn (talk) 17:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * @, but the Wikicup isn't really just a content creation competition, because one could conceivable win without creating any content at all. E.g., FPs via OTRS are as likely to win as a couple of FAs. In fact, they're probably more likely to win, as nobody could get 10 or 12 FAs through during the final round, but someone could get 2,400 points from images they did not create, but uploaded with OTRS. RO <sup style="color:blue;">(talk)  18:35, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, appreciate it. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:58, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see why the word "enforce" is a problem. If you want points for your Wikicup GA, you need to provide the documentation, and if that includes proof of quid pro quo review[s].... well, that rule makes sure, in and of itself, that Wikicup is no burden on GAN. If you accept that the Wikicup needs to do something about balancing GA reviews with GANs, then why on earth would you do it any other way? Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:48, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't like telling people what they can and can't work on. I don't like this in any part of Wikipedia, and I think it's very much in the WikiCup's interest to avoid it. I would have thought that you of all people - given the "let's make sure the FP people are doing some real work" vibe that we have had at some points in the development of the WikiCup - could understand that. One of the strengths of the WikiCup (and, indeed, Wikipedia in general) is that people come to the table with different interests and abilities, and the WikiCup can recognise and reward those different interests and abilities. There are plenty of legitimate reasons why people might reasonably nominate articles and not review others in return. Here are five:
 * Maybe they're not fully familiar/confident with the system. This could be for any number of reasons, but an obvious one is that they are taking one of their first steps into GAC. This should be encouraged and supported, not hit with a "BUT HAVE YOU DONE YOUR BIT, YOU SCROUNGER?"-style response.
 * Maybe they don't have any interest in any of the topics on offer, or are not comfortable with any of the topics nominated. I know I've encountered this before, and I've reviewed hundreds of articles. This might be particularly true of certain demographics; imagine younger Wikipedians here to improve coverage of their favourite [whatever], or professionals/experts who are on Wikipedia with the express interest of improving their particular subject area. Both would be more than welcome in the WikiCup, but it might be a particularly bad idea to push either of them into reviewing articles about which they have no interest.
 * What happens if the backlog does go down? We exaggerate other problems, while potentially creating a new one- what do people do then when they want to claim GA points? Race everyone else to next thing nominated?
 * Maybe people just don't like doing GA reviews. Maybe they would rather (andwould more productively) spend their time doing something the rest of us find arduous- perhaps closing deletion discussions, or new page patrol, or fixing copy-paste moves. Why, this person might ask, do we all have to do our "fair share" of one particular task, but not others?
 * Maybe people have already done their "fair share" of reviewing in the past, or maybe they currently do their "fair share" of reviewing in other areas- FAC, PR and FLC spring to mind, but there's also a lot of informal/semiformal reviewing which goes on.
 * Finally, on a more general note, I think this may well lead to a culture of suspicion and accusation. Everybody's here to take from other people until proven otherwise. That's not the kind of collegiate, collaborative atmosphere we should want to foster. Josh Milburn (talk) 07:21, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Or, a short answer: the GAC community has long-resisted the introduction of QPQ reviews. There are plenty of good reasons for this. Let's not try to introduce one it by proxy. Josh Milburn (talk) 07:29, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I happen to agree with, that I don't think forcing anyone to do anything is the way to go here. Suggestions, options, things to consider, sure, but not hard and fast enforcement. :) &mdash; Cirt (talk) 07:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, you can't make a thirty-minute review have a point value at all comparable to any sort of featured or good content without turning this into the GA cup by proxy, so I don't see how there's any way to take Cirt's point on board, then, short of removing GAs from the competition, with suitable increase in FA points. I'd consider all alternate solutions far, FAR worse, as massive point spikes to GA reviews degrade the value of all other content by putting quick work on that level, and, as GA is probably the most roughly comparable in difficulty to the other featured content types, not FA, removing GA is a problem too. So, we should utterly reject Cirt's suggestion, as we have no way to make it work if we're not going to tie it directly to the cause of the [assumed] problem. I mean, we could try a variant solution - Drop GA points to 20, but give a 10-point bonus for GA/GAR pairs, say - but we cannot make, what, an hour or two's work to review three GAs, say? - equivalent to actual featured content which is on quite a longer timeframe. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:12, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Well you do raise lots of good points to consider. I'm not asking for a drastic dramatic change, but any little change to address the imbalance would help. :) &mdash; Cirt (talk) 22:49, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

The judges have now opened some straw polls for determining the rules of next year's competition; see Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring and the subsequent section (if you've not done this before, you just sign your name in a numbered list in the option(s) you prefer- typically, most votes wins, but it's up to the judges to make a call on the appropriate way forward given the spread of opinions). Josh Milburn (talk) 09:07, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

WikiCup 2015: The results
WikiCup 2015 is now in the books! Congrats to our finalists and winners, and to everyone who took part in this year's competition.

This year's results were an exact replica of last year's competition. For the second year in a row, the 2015 WikiCup champion is. All of his points were earned for an impressive 253 featured pictures and their associated bonus points (5060 and 1695, respectively). His entries constituted scans of currency from all over the world and scans of medallions awarded to participants of the U.S. Space program. came in second place; she earned by far the most bonus points (4082), for 4 featured articles, 15 good articles, and 147 DYKs, mostly about in her field of expertise, natural science. , a finalist every year since 2010, came in third, with 2379 points.

Our newcomer award, presented to the best-performing new competitor in the WikiCup, goes to. Everyone should be very proud of the work they accomplished. We will announce our other award winners soon.

A full list of our award winners are:


 * wins the prize for first place and the FP prize for 330 featured pictures in the final round.
 * wins the prize for second place and the DYK prize for 160 did you knows in the final round (310 in all rounds).
 * wins the prize for third place and the FA prize for 26 featured articles in all rounds.
 * wins the prize for fourth place
 * wins a final 8 prize.
 * wins a final 8 prize.
 * wins a final 8 prize and the FL prize for 11 featured lists.
 * wins the most prizes: a final 8 prize, the GA prize for 41 good articles, and the topic prize for a 13-article good topic and an 8-article featured topic, both in round 3.
 * wins the news prize for the most news articles in round 3.

We warmly invite all of you to sign up for next year's competition. Discussions and polls concerning potential rules changes are also open, and all are welcome to participate. The WikiCup judges will be back in touch over the coming months, and we hope to see you all in the 2016 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send.

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Pinto FAC
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Disruptive editing of Heathenry
Hi Josh; I kept an eye out for socks as you suggested, and found a lot more than I was expecting. I've called for a check user investigation here. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:21, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
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First thanks v much for the detailed FAC comments. Second, can you revisit when you get a chance. Ceoil (talk) 22:32, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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Andrew Johnston (singer) nominated for TFA
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Many thanks!
Just popping by to say a big thank you for undertaking the review of the GAN for Heathenry (new religious movement). It was a lengthy article and must have taken some time but I do hope that you found it to be of some interest! Kind regards, Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:05, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
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Hey, when I logged on to wikipedia I noticed your recent messages on my talk page about my edits on Kaitlyn Maher. I wanted to apologize. The first edit was mine, but I do not recall undoing the others. I share this account with my younger brother so it must have been him that kept making the edits. Anyways, I apologize for my brother's rash behavior and hope the edits did not offend you. Cheers! 112aws — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112aws (talk • contribs) 01:40, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Killer Instinct Gold
Hey—wanted to leave a note that based on your peer review, I've brought Killer Instinct Gold to FAC:
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FLC
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A Thousand Suns
Why do you say these are inappropriate? In any case, I have converted information about Waiting for the End to prose, and The Catalyst's information in the caption was already covered, so the samples have been removed. I also feel that the live album part is worth mentioning, but it would seem out of place when the album cover is missing. What do you suggest I do?  danny music editor  ~talk to me!~ 20:56, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Wonderful holidays


Merry Christmas and a happy New Year! --Tremonist (talk) 15:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Precious again
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Regarding Redirect Peep Bowling
Many years ago, in the year 2007, you have redirected Peep Bowling to Rollercoaster Tycoon 3. I do not think that Peep Bowling should exist because it is simply a fad on Youtube such as this video, and not an intended feature in the game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshiman6464 (talk • contribs) 05:47, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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Thank you!
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How nice to see you...
....at the Isabella Beeton PR. Long time no see; hope all is well!  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   18:04, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I am indeed well- I hope you are too. I've found myself lacking the time/energy to do much writing, so I'm trying to put my energy into reviewing instead. Hopefully we'll bump into each other in that area! Josh Milburn (talk) 19:51, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, it does appear that there is a lacking-in-time epidemic going on around here at the moment! Maybe it's the New Year lull, who knows. Great to hear you're in the reviewing corps currently. I shall have one at PR very shortly if you can spare the time.   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   19:57, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Happy to- do let me know when it's nominated and I'll add it to my to-do list. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:03, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Jo-Anne McArthur
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DYK for The Ghosts in Our Machine
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Isabella Beeton
Many thanks for your comments at the recent PR for Isabella Beeton. I have dropped the good lady into FAC for comments and thoughts. If you have time for any, I'd be delighted to hear with them. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 15:05, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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Sydowia
I remember you asking me several years ago if I had access to Sydowia (I think you were working on Meinhard Moser at the time). I just learned that all articles of this journal up to and including 2003 are now freely accessible here, in case you wanted to pick up where you left off ... Seriously, I think the Moser article is pretty good and I'd be happy to help if you wanted to give it a push further! Sasata (talk) 19:36, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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Was wondering why
you deleted my post on Jimfbleak's talk page. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 23:55, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you
Hi Josh, thanks very much for the fantastic comments and copy edits on Sir Michael. I'm running a bit behind with things at the moment so may not get to it for a few days or so. But be rest assured, I'm much looking forward to answering them.  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   21:26, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Jonathan Mitchell
Sorry to come at you out of the blue, but I noted your rightful rejection (for the third time) of Jonathan Mitchell being a featured article. This is a determined effort by the user nominating it to gain a publicity boost for the subject - promotional in other words. The user has also confessed to a COI in this matter (see the talk page of the subject) and has been told not to edit the article directly (see the edit history - in particular from admin Jytdog). I can tell you that there is no more reliable sourcing available aside from the subject's own blog (which is naturally not permitted) and I agree with your concern over the Mass blog. The whole idea by User:Ylevental is to promote Jonathan Mitchell as the face of the Autistic community in order to attack the neurodiversity movement (Mitchell's personal blog does carry the tag line "We don't need no stinking neurodiversity"). I also agree with you about borderline notability, with much reliance on Newsweek and the other two magazine articles (LA and New York), but there was an AfD that resoundingly came back as "Keep" so consensus is that it stays. Just my two cents and I would recommend that Ylevental be told to leave the whole thing alone as he isn't going to get his way, and he shouldn't be behaving like a promoter - which is what he is doing. I don't know if that warrants a block (is non paid promotional editing against the rules?) but honestly all that will do is cause socking for which an SPI was lodged (and failed because it took too long to investigate resulting in stale statistics). Ylevental even added the Osborne material through an IP and it was allowed despite socking (I know who his provider is and where it came from and there was a match - I can't provide those exact details due to privacy of course preventing another SPI). 1.132.97.74 (talk) 02:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
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Possible peer review
Hi there,

So recently I noticed that you did a small peer review for Habits (Tove Lo song). Since you done other peer reviews, would you mind looking over Help Is on the Way? I put it up for peer review a little more than a week ago, but it seems no one took the bait. As I say on the review page, I'm willing to review any articles you may have up for PR/GA/FA etc. Thanks for reading! Famous Hobo (talk) 03:30, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
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Michael Hordern FAC
...has been started here. Thanks once again for all you help.  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   17:20, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
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Questions about Leavin'
Hello,

I have a couple quick questions related to the edits you have done to the page. I have uploaded a resized version of the cover that should comply with the expectations for the site and I completely understand the removal of the image, but I am confused on your comments about the audio sample.

I have used Good Girl Gone Bad as one of my templates in creating and expanding the page as it is both a featured article and an album I am familiar with. This page uses two audio samples that I believe have the same quality of the samples I used for my page. I did not notice a big difference between the samples from either pages and why one set of samples is allowed and another is flagged. Also, I do not follow your concern with having multiple audio samples. I chose to include a sample from the single and a sample from a song prominently discussehttps://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:J_Milburn&action=edit&section=2d in the promotion/review of the album. I could also limit the audio samples to just the single from the album.

Thank you for your time and consideration. Aoba47 (talk) 16:23, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I hope I do not come across as rude as I am grateful for your help. I just want to make sure I do not repeat the same mistakes in the future. Aoba47 (talk) 19:36, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * So sorry I didn't reply sooner, and I'm not really here right now. I'll get back to you first thing tomorrow. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:21, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries! I just wanted to avoid making the same mistakes in the future. Have a great day! Aoba47 (talk) 20:26, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, sorry about that. The issue with the samples is quite a simple one; per WP:SAMPLE, the bitrate should be no more than around 64kbps. That page explains how to make the change if you don't already have a means. I was asking about the use of two samples because of NFCC#3a; we shouldn't use two samples if we can get away with using one. If two are indeed necessary, then two are acceptable- I don't have an opinion on whether two are necessary at this time. Also, take a look at the rationales and make sure that they're properly filled out with detailed, specific explanations. Template:Album cover fur is good for album covers, but the rationales for the samples are probably going to have to be written by hand. Josh Milburn (talk) 12:49, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your quick response! I am sorry for any inconvenience that I may have caused. I am still very new to Wikipedia so I am still trying to familiarize myself with everything. I probably should starting on a smaller level. Have a great rest of your day! Aoba47 (talk) 16:30, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to let you know that I have lowered the bitrate of the audio sample and added it to the page. Hopefully, I have done it correctly, but please let me know if it still needs work. I also agree that it is best to keep the number of audio samples to just one as it is a relatively short article and there is no need to overwhelm the piece. Aoba47 (talk) 19:22, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
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WikiCup 2015 March newsletter


That's it, the first round is done, sign-ups are closed and we're into round 2. Forty-seven competitors move into this round (a bit shy of the expected 64), and we are roughly broken into eight groups of six. The top two of each group will go through to round 3, and then the top scoring 16 "wildcards" across all groups.

Twenty-two Good Articles were submitted, including three by, and two each by , , , and. Twenty-one Featured Pictures were claimed, including 17 by (the Round 1 high scorer). Thirty-one contestants saw their DYKs appear on the main page, with a commanding lead (28) by. Twenty-nine participants conducted GA reviews with completing nine.

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DYK nomination of Tatjana Višak
Hello! Your submission of Tatjana Višak at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Edwardx (talk) 20:22, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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Saving Private Ryan Soundtrack
Hey man,

I appreciate the review. I thought I had exhausted all the possible articles but I appreciate the stuff you've found. Although I am having trouble locating a link to the Calgary Herald article you mentioned in the review, as well as the title of the documentary or movie-thing that the youtube video was from. Could you possibly send the link for the former? And if you have any ideas on how to ID the movie from the youtube clip that would be awesome.

Thanks again. Disc Wheel ( T  +  C )  01:51, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I found the Calgary Herald article through Nexis; there were a lot of hits, some of which may have also been relevant. You don't have to cite the online version of the article- the print version is fine. I'll have a shufty around about the YT video, but leaving a comment or PMing the uploader may be an option. Josh Milburn (talk) 12:41, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay sweet, I'll do that then; just having the link is nice and whatnot. Thanks man. Disc Wheel  ( T  +  C )  20:28, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hey, im in the course and when i went on the dashboard and choose two articles to review, for some reason on the page itself of the course it has two names of wikipedia pages in the "assigned" column (one being my article, that of Anna Hamilton Phelan) and there are none in the "reviewing" column. How is this possible? and how can i remove the the other article thats in the "assigned" column next to my name?

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 * Thanks, looks like a great project. I'll advertise it at Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, too. Josh Milburn (talk) 15:33, 25 March 2016 (UTC)


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A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks- it was good working with you. I don't think I've seen you around before, but hopefully we'll bump into each other again soon. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:26, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I hope! In fact, if you find some spare time, would you mind taking a look at my WP:FA nomination of Kalki Koechlin. I would really appreciate the comments!  Numerounovedant   Talk  18:31, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah! Yes, I had seen that. I'll see if I can find some time, but I can't make any promises. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:34, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's alright. Thank you!  Numerounovedant   Talk  18:44, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

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WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon
Hi, I was wondering if you could help produce a few articles towards this in April? The idea is that people can use the Amazon vouchers to buy books for their future projects. I'm sure the getting articles to GA is compatible with the WikiCup too!♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:51, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note! I did see that. I'm not sure how much I could contribute, but I'll have a think. I reviewed an fascinating Wales-related article at GAC recently, by the way; 's Mari Lwyd. I don't know if she's sitting on any other Wales-related topics. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:02, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I know a few people who only have the time to contribute a single article. That's fine, even if a 3 kb expansion of something will all count. The focus is on core and quality rather than quantity really, though there are prizes for the people who destub the most articles and who expand/create the most articles on things like women. Anybody who doesn't like contests or prizes can simply work independently at their own pace and just add an article or two they've worked on at the list on the bottom. Tim did Welsh National Opera, Schro did Senghenydd colliery disaster, a current FAC. See if anything in WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon/Core articles interests you. Have a think anyway, if you might do something feel free to put your name down in the participants section. No worries though if you want to pass!♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:00, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hi J, I do need some advice here or perhaps some admin action over what has become a very tendentious situation that began when I edited Buster Keaton Rides Again. I noted that the screenshot title page could be replaced by a poster or cover art from the DVD of the film. Once the screenshot image was orphaned, the editor who had uploaded the file, complained to me that the original image should be used. I did explain on his the rationale behind the use of the infobox image. That didn't seem to help as the next thing was the editor canvassing his "mentor" (Masem) who used the same argument as to removing the image I had used, and later replaced with a more appropriate "dedicated" poster/cover art. Regardless, I again posted on the editor's talk page, the reasoning behind the infobox image, and as a "sign-of-good-faith", re-introduced the screenshot image as a non-free illustration, taking care to make sure it qualified by providing a rationale and a reference source. For awhile, that seemed to suffice, although the editor made it a point to re-edit my edits, and challenge the use of one of my sources of information. I made a comment on his talk page to the effect that actions like that should not take place. The next thing that occurred was that the editor again challenged the use of the infobox image, insinuating that the image used was "created" to supersede the screenshot. My reaction led to a long exchange on the which was erroneously listed as for discussion but it appears that the editor really meant to have the infobox image deleted. I went back through the article history to find only one edit made by the aforementioned editor in 2013 than a barrage of edits that were un-doing my previous edits. The edit history on other articles is precisely the same pattern of edits. What do you suggest? Nothing I say or provide as background seems to make any difference. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:31, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * My view of the use of the images (I do not want to comment on behavioural issues at this time) is that a single infobox image is acceptable, but I see no reason to think that two "representative" images (title cards, posters, covers, etc.) are acceptable in the present case. The question, then, is which one of the two images we use. As you have pointed out, the guidelines suggest that the original theatrical release poster is typically the best lead image, but that if we do not have one for some reason, a DVD (or VHS, etc.) cover could be used. A title card would be the right choice (your quote from the guideline) "[i]n the absence of an appropriate poster or cover image". I note the word appropriate, here, meaning that there's the possibility of legitimate disagreement about whether a given DVD cover is "appropriate". My understanding of the current discussion is that you think this DVD cover is appropriate, while George Ho believes that it is not appropriate. I don't think there are knock-down policy-based arguments either way. Perhaps a quick straw-poll (with a request to the appropriate WikiProjects) could decide it? Or have I misunderstood what is at stake, here? Also tagging and  so I'm not talking about anyone behind their back. Josh Milburn (talk) 16:46, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Care to join discussion at FFD then? George Ho (talk) 19:50, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks for the note. Some of those citations were tricky; that conference proceeding one, for example, was pretty unusual! Josh Milburn (talk) 19:43, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but I got such a lot to learn from all this. Thanks for all those last minute fixes. Damn, how could I mix up those books and journals?! Sainsf  &lt;^&gt; Feel at home 06:29, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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The section requested is completed.
The section requested by both you and Tim Riley at the featured article nomination for Jane Austen has now been written and added. What is next for the featured article nomination to continue. Fountains-of-Paris (talk) 14:21, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice and useful edits of yours at Jane Austen. It should take 2 or 3 days for me to pull some materials together for some new edits. In the meantime here are my two authorities for the Northanger material one of which is linked and which you might enjoy glancing at.


 * (1) Tomalin, Claire. Jane Austen: A Life. New York: Vintage, 1997, p. 165.
 * (2) . "How Might Jane Austen Have Revised Northanger Abbey?, from Persuasions, a publication of the Jane Austen Society of North America by Aiken in 1985 (link provided).


 * It also confirms the writing dates for the manuscripts. Fountains-of-Paris (talk) 15:51, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Responses complete now to your comments if you have a chance to look at them. Cheers. Fountains-of-Paris (talk) 17:21, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Noted, thanks; I'll aim to find some time to drop by again. If I haven't gotten to you in a week, ping me... Josh Milburn (talk) 17:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Heathenry
I think we should ask for temporary PP on that page because of the IP-hopping POV people; Alt-Right and a few others got temp PP for this exact reason. I'm not sure if it's a single person or coincidence but the Racialists are restless. I wanted a second opinion, though... Ogress 21:39, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * (also tagging ): I'm inclined to agree. I considered protecting it myself, but I didn't think it was appropriate as I have been somewhat involved in the article and this is not so much vandalism as a content dispute (though, of course, one side in the dispute is currently not providing sources). Josh Milburn (talk) 21:52, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * IPs removing cited content and obscuring blatant racism isn't a "content dispute" though. Like, there's a debate with racialists on Alt-Right right now and also IPs deleting things the same way they are on this page. The two are not the same. Ogress 01:21, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * From the outside, I think this would look like a content dispute; there's a disagreement about how to present information, what information should be presented and precisely what the facts of the matter are. That's not to say that I think the IPs are going about this in the right way (they certainly aren't), but it does limit the actions I feel I can take as someone vaguely "involved" in the article. (I don't know what "Alt-Right" is; I guessed a Usenet board, but Googling suggests that you may be talking about the discussions going on at Talk:Alt-right?) In any case, please do consider making a request at RPP, and I'll keep an eye on things and perhaps step in further myself if the problems continue. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:20, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with the idea of getting a PP on this one. Midnightblueowl (talk) 09:48, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * although perhaps semi-protection is best given that we are mostly dealing with anonymous IPs? Either way they are being very persistent. Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:18, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep, they just reverted again and I'll all out of reverts. Ogress 20:04, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Ivy – Disappointed (Video image)
Hello J Milburn, I noticed your recent nomination of the aforementioned image for deletion. I would like to say that I disagree with your explanation. Without the inclusion of the image, the article honestly looks bland and plain. I have created a better caption for the image in hopes that it will stay; I hope you can reconsider your decision or perhaps help me out otherwise. I would appreciate it, thank you. Carbrera (talk) 01:23, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * We do not and cannot use non-free images to stop articles from looking "bland and plain", we use them only when they add significantly to reader understanding. If you wish to use an image for decorative purposes, use a freely-licensed one. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:22, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Peer Review
Hey Josh! I opened a Peer Review for Kalki Koechlin, (after a long and exhausting FAC) and I would really appreciate some help. I need some help with the "Media Image" section of the article, so if you find some spare anytime soon could you take a look on just the section and help me arrange it in a better way. I am a little divided on the structure of the section. All the help would be really appreciated. Thank you! Numerounovedant  Talk  17:46, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll try to find some time. Ping me in a week if I haven't got to this... Josh Milburn (talk) 19:16, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, Thank you!  Numerounovedant   Talk  02:05, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey Josh! As you asked, a reminder of my request. Get back to me whenever you find time.  Numerounovedant   Talk  20:11, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I've copyedited the article and left some comments. It's certainly not a bad article, but, based on the prose alone, I'd say a bit of work needs to go into the article before its FAC ready. The key issues are the over-lengthy public image section and the weird way that (some) theatre discussion is split off from the details about the rest of her career. I'm watching the PR page, so feel free to reply there. Josh Milburn (talk) 15:06, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for such an extensive ce. I will take up your comments as well. Also, the only reason I have a separate section for the theatre work is because in India the theatre and film industries are totally unrelated to each other. So, I thought the details would work better in a separate section. Thanks again for all the work that you have put in!  Numerounovedant   Talk  16:23, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. I'm not opposed to keeping film and theatre info separate, but there seems to be at least three problems with the way it's done currently. First, there are some details of her theatre career in the film section; second, the film section is titled as her "career" when, as you say, she has a separate career in the theatre; and third, the details of her early (pre-career) life are included in the film career section. All of this adds up to skewing the article to being about her film career when both should receive coverage (not necessarily the same number of words [I have no view on that], but I hope you can see my concern). Josh Milburn (talk) 16:59, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I totally understand your concerns, do you trimming the first paragraph (that includes bits from the Early Life section) would help? I am all for the "Career" - "Film Career" change. However, I do not see the mention of her work in theatre in the film career section.  Numerounovedant   Talk  17:06, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, my mistake; I thought the early life section was a part of the film career section. That does mean that some of my concerns were misplaced. Just as a thought (by no means necessary!) you may want to consider splitting the article like this (I self-reverted- it's your call). That's perhaps how I would do it. Josh Milburn (talk) 17:36, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * How about this?  Numerounovedant   Talk  17:48, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Peer review/Knight Lore/archive1
Per your comment on the peer review, would you have a moment to leave a quick review of this one? czar 02:54, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * If I haven't gotten to this in a week, ping me again... Josh Milburn (talk) 08:48, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Unarchiving... Josh Milburn (talk) 15:09, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Peer review/Title TK/archive1
Hi Josh, how are you? I hope all is well with you. I was wondering whether you might possibly have time to look at this Peer Review. If you do, I would be very happy to help you out with anything now or in the future to return the favour. :-) Of course, if you don't happen to have time, no worries at all! Have a good day. Moisejp (talk) 18:52, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, good to hear from you- I'll see if I can find some time, but I'm afraid I can't make any promises! Josh Milburn (talk) 19:22, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, no worries either way. Thanks for considering! Moisejp (talk) 19:24, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Unarchiving... Josh Milburn (talk) 15:09, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

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