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Illustrations for 'Charles Woodmason'
Hallo, it occurred to me that you might have (access to) copies of some of the interesting antique books cited in 'Charles Woodmason'. If so, if you could photograph the title pages, or other interesting pages, you could upload them to Wikimedia commons under a license (free since way out of copyright), and use them in the article. What d'you think? Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:33, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

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Parent categories
Hello. While I certainly appreciate your adding Category:Methodists to applicable articles, please ensure that these articles are not already included in a child category such as Category:American Methodists. This was the case with Simeon S. Willis and David L. Williams, two articles on my watchlist. I have reverted those good faith edits. If the article is already in a child category, adding it to a parent category is unnecessary. Thanks. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 16:59, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It appears you continue to add this parent category unabated, as you did so to Lawrence Wetherby some time after I added this note to your talk page. Please do not persist in this manner without making some attempt to explain why you think it is a good idea. Thanks. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 18:36, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Methodists - Wesleyan and Calvinistic...
Hi. I see you have added the category 'Methodists' to both William Williams Pantycelyn and Anne Grifiths pages. I agree that there is a compelling logic for this, but it raises the classic difficulty. Looking at the Methodism box at the foot of these pages shows distinctive doctrines - conditional preservation and governmental atonement in particular - that do not sit comfortably with the Calvinism of these two writers (or indeed of Whitefield and Selina, Countess of Huntingdon). This could confuse those who are less familiar with this period of church history than we are.

Mind you, this generation seemed far better able to cooperate despite the Calvinism-Arminianism divide than many of their successors!

Do you feel that we could use a daughter category 'Calvinistic Methodism' here? Regards.John M Brear (talk) 18:05, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Methodist category
I noticed that you've been adding Category:Methodists to many articles that already contain Category:American Methodists, which is a subcategory of Category:Methodists Because of this, these entires don't belong in the more general category, as they are already included. - SudoGhost 18:39, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I noticed your changes on a handful of pages on my watchlist and was stopping by to ask you the same thing, which I see was also already mentioned above by. Please stop editing and discuss your edits before continuing. Wikipedia requires communication and to refuse to do so when questioned by a multitude of other editors can be viewed as disruptive. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:50, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree. A welter of category changes where the junior category is already present. You are very productive, but please add more care to your work. Less prolific and more accurate is always better. I've reverted the one on my watchlist. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 18:52, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

My request for admin assistance with reverting your recent swathe of category edits
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. It is to ask for help in reverting the huge swathe of category additions you have been making today Fiddle Faddle (talk) 19:05, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * The great majority of your edits adding the parent category have now been reverted, though some may still remain. Another editor responded to my request for help noted above. I know you've been very busy, and you may be upset that so much hard work has been undone. Please spend a little time talking to experienced editors about parent categories and child categories. Wikimedia software is unhelpful here because it cannot enforce a hierarchy of categories, so we rely on all editors gaining an understanding quickly. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 19:42, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

September 2012
Before adding a category to an article, please make sure that the subject of the article really belongs in the category that you specified according to Wikipedia's categorization guidelines. Categories must also be supported by the article's verifiable content. Categories may be removed if they are deemed incorrect for the subject matter. Thank you. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 19:14, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Please now STOP over-categorising articles
I have looked today at Hermann Braun and removed a load of categories where the parent category is present as well as the child category. This is the only area of Wikipedia which you seem insistent on not understanding. Since you do not enter into conversations about this here, on your talk page, I am starting to conclude that this is turning from being unaware of the issue into carrying on regardless. This is disruptive editing. IT requires others to put right the things you insist on doing wrong. You need to stop doing this, and to stop at once. Ideally you need to go back to the articles you have worked on where you have added categories and remove those you added in error. There is a point when disruptive editing turns into vandalism. When it is judged to be vandalism then editing blocks ensue. So please stop creating this problem at once, and start to solve what you have done.

If you do not understand any of this, please ask me. If you would prefer to ask someone else, please place on this page, explaining underneath it what help you wouls like. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 08:53, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Linking dates
Hi J R Gainey, please do not link dates. We don't link common words, professions, dates, languages or religions. Also please use edit summaries so that other editors can understand the rationale of your changes. Thanks. Span (talk) 09:35, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Please do listen to the experienced editors that are giving you feedback. It can take some time to understand how to edit in a way that helps improve the article. Ploughing forward without regard for the guidelines just creates a great deal of work for the team of editors who have to clean up. The sandbox is a good place to experiment with syntax. You are welcome to the Wikipedia community but please heed the feedback. It's also really helpful if you join us in discussion here on your talk page, so we can work on this together. Thank you. Span (talk) 12:05, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * As a librarian, I'm sure you appreciate the need for effective systems. I'm sure you will be an editor who can make a grand contribution to Wikipedia, with support. Span (talk) 14:25, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edits to Hermann Braun
I have reverted much of your recent editing period. You left the article in a mess of syntax errors and incomplete text. If you do not know how to use a facility please learn by using your sandbox.

I have also done my best to remove the overcategorisation you have left the article with. I am perplexed that you do not choose to reply to messages. Wikipedia is meant to be a collegiate vehicle, edited using consensus and teamwork. It is not a place where those who plough their own furrows will find much pleasure, I'm afraid. The furrow you are ploughing is leaving a welter of mess and destruction in its path. Surely you must see this when you look at the work you have created? If you make a mess please revert your own edits. Using the preview facility is highly advisable. Experienced editors use it a lot when they are not wholly sure that what they intend will produce a valid outcome.

Please ask for help when you need it. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 11:51, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Please stop adding categories and familiarize yourself with the guidelines on them instead. There are some real questions regarding the overuse of them, which is causing a lot of work for other editors. I see most of your edits are high quality and very helpful, but your adding of categories is not. There is a discussion ongoing at WP:AN regarding it. I'm hoping you see this and just acknowledge it, although you have yet to demonstrate that you are very chatty. Regardless, the only alternative is blocking you to get your attention, so we can be sure that this message has been conveyed, so a quick note would be helpful. For what it is worth, the use of edit summaries would also be very helpful. Dennis Brown - 2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 12:32, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Glad to see you join WER. I hated throwing this giant stop sign on your page, and I could easily tell you are an intelligent contributor that has a great deal to offer Wikipedia, and for that, we obviously thank you.  But just as the library has the Dewey Decimal System, we have our own methods and systems.  I would be happy to get you hooked up with someone smarter than I am to assist you in becoming familiar.  Our goal is the same as yours, to build a world class and free encyclopedia, but we all have to be on the same page when it comes to style.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 13:31, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, you don't have to actually Join WER, that is just a tag I have in my sig. It is a project designed to make Wikipedia better for all kinds of editors, to make quality editors like yourself want to stick around, and influence policies to make Wikipedia a more cordial place overall.  Part of this includes being creative when there is a problem (hence my stop sign) instead of just blocking people or being too drastic.  Of course, we would love to have you as well. Part of participating here requires conversing with your fellow editors, something you haven't done much of before but I suggest becoming familiar with.  Many of us are actually nice people. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 13:38, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

A tool that ought to appeal to you
Having seen that you are a librarian I am sure the full portfolio of tools to create not just references but citations will appeal to you. I would like to commend the cite button to you:. It helps create full citations and often helps you do this automatically. Try it in your sandbox (not forgetting to put a tag after the citation so you may see it easily when you save.

Edit your sandbox and press. A screen with fields to fill out opens up once you choose (eg) "News". put the url of (in this case) a news item into the box to the left of the button and then click it. Usually, but not always, much of the rest of the form is filled out from the target web page.

Once you see how it works you might be interested in studying the templates behind the screen. Have a look at Cite news as an example of the one I just guided you towards. It has other parameters and yo may find these appropriate additions. Be sparing with the size of the quotes you use with the quote= parameter in case you quote more than a Fair Use portion of a source. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:02, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * BTW, if you can't tell, we like librarians, and we are always willing to help them get up to speed on the tools here. There are a great many tools that can double your productivity here, such as the one a friend described above.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 17:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Please do have a look at the Citation tools. You'll be amazed at how much easier they make not just your life but those who come after you. The citation style is so simple and complete when using them. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 15:52, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've just converted a couple of the style that you used to our more formal style in Hermann Braun so you can see what I mean. I used Cite web, added the word German in the language box and translated the pipe ("|") character to a hyphen so it didn't interfere with template syntax and that makes it all tidy and lovely. I also fiund I needed to add the publisher to that box because it didn't pick it up. Usually it does, just not today! Please do have a look and try it out. I know you'll like it.
 * By the way, it's considered usual to reply to messages left on personal talk pages. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 16:47, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * We are trying to help and support your effective editing. Two way discussions are really so much easier. We are a friendly bunch - open to hearing about what's going on for you and how we can best be of assistance. If you have replies or questions or comments please do join us here on this page to discuss them. All best wishes Span (talk) 16:57, 17 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Span is so right. I know this has all seemed like criticism and nagging so far, and it can be read that way, but what we want to do is to help you have fun here and be an even more valuable member of this slightly off the wall community. So don't read it as nagging, read it as some outgoing folk offering help. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 17:13, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

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Further thoughts on editing
Please do have a look at the citation tools, they help all your fellow editors, present and future. Although you find IMDb cited all over, it isn't held to be a solid source. I'd recommend finding a better one if you can. If any of the articles go on to be worked up to 'good article' status (GA), then IMDb sources would have to be replaced. Also, please use edit summaries so that others can understand the rationale behind your changes. Some of us have one or two thousand articles on our watchlists - summaries are tremendously helpful. We work as a collaborative community, working together to build and improve the encyclopaedia. The community aspect is heart of what we do. It can feel combative sometimes, but ultimately we are working as international body of editors. I hope the explanations make sense. Best wishes Span (talk) 19:21, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
I reinstated your work on IMDB references and gave my reasons there. Keep up the good work. There's a lot to learn about this place. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 21:52, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Tweaks
Thanks for all your good work of the last few days. You seem to be finding your feet fast. I had some thoughts for you that you might find useful, quirks of WP that are not immediately obvious. So, here goes. Articles that appear in red are sometimes added because an editor is suggesting an article needs to be written about a subject. If I link Lloyd Park, in Walthamstow, for example, it might a nudge that this major park in London has no piece written about as yet. As we are the English language version of WP, we have a strong leaning towards using English sources and links where at all possible, especially in the external links section. (There are currently WPs 285 other languages). Wikipedia pages cannot be used to reference other WP articles. Solid citations are generally held to come from tertiary sources of fixed authorship whose facts can bear scrutiny. Such sources as blogs, forums, (IMDb) and indeed WP generally do not fly because they are ever changing and can be edited by any one at anytime. (There are always exceptions to this). External links (ELs) are not written in bold type. Sources are given as inline citations (as you have been doing with the cite tools). If you have been using a book to reference the cites 'Paulus Buscher. Das Stigma. Koblenz 1988', for example, you would list that in a 'sources' section towards the bottom of the page. In your line cite you could then just write. Websites are not listed in the 'Sources' section. Maybe have a neb at Anna Akhmatova (GA) as an example of this and other formatting tweaks I have mentioned. One last thing. If you have a question about all the policies, guidelines and house style we bang on about, you can enter WP:____ in the search box at the top of the page and the guideline will generally appear. For example WP:Inline citation or WP:Red link. It's the way all of us navigate and learn about the consensus (ish) the community has reached over the last 11 years. I don't want to overload you with info (maybe I have). I hope all this makes sense and helps to you edit happily and confidently. Please feel very free to leave any questions, comments or thoughts on my talk page. I think new, inspired editors can be WP's greatest asset. Bon voyage and happy editing. Span (talk) 22:52, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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Jürgen Ohlsen
Thank you for your message. It's good to back from you. I can well imagine that the technology can seem quite intimidating. Our messages to you above have been trying to convey that it is not a case of 'sink or swim' but that we are here to help. I can understand your confusion in the response to your new article on Jürgen Ohlsen. As I mentioned above, certain websites that can be edited by users such as Wikipedia, IMDb and, it turns out filmportal.de, generally do not fly, as they are not held to be reliable sources. That said, you will find IMDb cited all over English Wikipedia and lots of other WPs also. Some editors are much more stringent about strong sources that others. I would advise adding any strong English language sources about Ohlsen if you can find them and removing the Wikipedia page that you have given as a reference. Google books names him in some viewable texts that you can use. We work as a community of several thousand editors, and though we work to a set of guidelines you will find that we are not always agreement. It can be difficult for new editors to get their heads around. My advice would be to hang in there and ask lots of questions. It will start to make sense after a while. I hope that helps. Best wishes Span (talk) 17:06, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, here is a tutorial of sorts that you might find helpful: Tutorial. These Youtube videos might be helpful too, as an overview.,  Span (talk) 17:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have had a root about in the Oxford Reference online, Questia, Credo and Highbeam research databases and none of them show anything about your man. He seems pretty obscure but worth digging for. By the way, if you sign your name with four tildas: ~ it automatically brings up your signature and time stamp, which is helpful to all. Were the tutorials at all helpful? I can answer your questions on this page. Best wishes Span (talk) 20:06, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've taken the liberty of cleaning up the article a bit, in order to meet the guidelines. I added some refs. It might need a bit more twiddling as your reviewer doesn't like some of the sources that can be user-edited, but shortly the article should pass well enough. Once passed, I'd recommend sticking with the article and building it, rather than leaving it to its own devices. It could turn into an real asset for the encyclopaedia with more detail and investment. Best wishes Span (talk) 21:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * You asked me about this on my talk page. As is my custom I have replied there: Please see here for the reply. I am inviting Span to comment there as well. Other editors usually require no such invitation. This is more of an alert that the answer may be of interest and they may wish to add to it or disagree with it. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 09:00, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

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So, the article is live! Thank you for the work you have put into it and taking time to discover more about the weird and wonderful world of Wikipedia. If you'd like to talk about creating other articles, technical oddities, formatting protocols etc., I am very happy to help. Drop me a line on my talk page. It can take a while to get ones head around all this. I hope you do stay with us and enjoy learning and editing with this community. By the way, if you could add in the translation for "Der Jungenbund Südlegion" now, that would be helpful. Have a lovely weekend. Best wishes Span (talk) 21:59, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ps, please do use edit summaries (below the editing screen) to explain the rationale of your edits to other editors. They are very useful to the community, especially across the years, and help to show that you are making bone fide contributions. Thanks Span (talk) 22:20, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

What Wikipedia does next
Now you are getting into the swing of things :) Wikipedia has a wonderful way of picking up articles that we write and other editors jump in and add, delete, enhance and improve the things we write. You;re already seeing that in the articles you have fathered here.

And now comes the next stage. At this point, unless we have things we still wish to add to the articles, the best thing to do is to keep them on our watch lists, and to move on to the next article. We watch benignly as others edit our work, and we smile as we see that they do things o make them better. If they make them worse, or if they vandalise things, we put that right, or we decide to rely on others to put that right. The main thing is that we move on.

I used the term "father" rather than "mother" for the articles we get involved with very carefully. We create life and move on. We do not nurture it, rear it, change its clothes or anything maternal. We simply father the articles and move on. The worst thing we can ever do is to become emotionally involved with an article. It will drive us nuts if we do that!

It's fun here, though some folk find it deeply frustrating. As long as it stays fun, stay here and enjoy the place. And ask any and all the questions you need to. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 13:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Another helpful tool
Please read HotCat to see if that will help you in categorisation. It ought to make your life far, far easier. It's very easy to implement. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 13:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

R K Ullmann
I look forward to your proposed article on Richard Ullmann (1904 - 1963), Swarthmore Lecturer. Vernon White '''. . . Talk''' 14:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
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