User talk:JaGa/Archive 10

Toolserver Account
Hi, Just a quick not to say you Toolserver account has exceeded the 'max_user_connections' resource (current value: 15) so I can't get the list for my BOT to run, could you look into it please? Thanks, Jamietw (talk) 07:11, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's cleared up. What bot are referring to? -- Ja Ga  talk 08:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Consensus on dashes
Hi, this is to let everyone who has expressed an interest in the topic that the discussion to arrive at a consensus has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/dash drafting, with discussion taking place at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/dash_drafting/discussion. Apologies if you have already commented there, or have seen the discussion and chosen not to comment. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

My RfA
I just wanted to take a minute to thank you very much for supporting me in my recent RfA. Even though it was unsuccessful, I appreciate your trust. With much gratitude, jsfouche &#9789;&#9790;  Talk 02:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. You'll be an admin soon, and should be one today; you'll just have to put in more time to appease the petty tyrants. ;) -- Ja Ga  talk 15:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm confused
It appears that I'm not supposed to have a dab page, and I'm not supposed to have an article either. There are numerous articles that qualify for the name 2011 Chinese protests, so a plain redirect to 2011 Chinese pro-democracy protests isn't really appropriate. What to do?? your helpful suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 03:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I put it back to R'n'B's version (I hadn't noticed that he'd already de-dabbed it), although I'd say it should at least have a link to 2011 Chinese pro-democracy protests. But it definitely should not be a disambig. -- Ja Ga  talk 06:20, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 12:10, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Do you think ...
... that Repression in the Soviet Union is a WP:CONCEPTDAB? I tried changing it, but was reverted, so maybe another set of eyes would be helpful. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I do, definitely. I wish I'd noticed that when I edited it earlier. I'll take a look at the conversion. -- Ja Ga  talk 21:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

previous deleted page - Jared Blake
You previously deleted a page for Jared Blake - citing that the page didn't show necessity.

I'm wanting to try and put one together that will be acceptable. Jared is an artist previously on NBC's The Voice. He has been writing and performing for the past 15 years, worked for Sony/ATV - has 20,000+ twitter followers, fans world-wide. Reference content will be from his own website, much like some of the other artist on the show, as well as links to news articles from various TV, raidio, and newspapers. he is currently performing in various venues, as he makes his way back out to LA at the request of NBC - performing in Toby Keith's I Love This Bar & Grill venue this weekend. - could you help me, or direct me in being able to start an article that would be acceptable? I am a close personal friend/family that has direct information of him - from birth til now.

thank you for you time and consideration in this matter

james Hankins — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hankinshouse (talk • contribs) 00:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was deleted by a different admin, but I went ahead and restored it to User:Hankinshouse/Jared Blake. By having it in your user space, you can work on it without it being bothered by other users. I would recommend at look at WP:MUSIC, WP:SPAM and WP:PEACOCK, for a start - more information at WP:FIRST. Remember this is an encyclopedia article, not a forum for promotion. The information must be encyclopedic, verifiable and above all notable.
 * Personally, I'm not certain the article can pass the notability test - keep this in mind before you invest a huge amount of energy into the article. Let me know if you have questions. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 21:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Pardon me for butting in, James, but I noticed you said that you are a close personal friend of the subject (Jared Blake). You may think that this is an advantage in writing an encyclopedia article about him, but actually the contrary is true. See WP:COI for more information. Everything that goes into a Wikipedia article must be verifiable from published sources, so information that you know based on your friendship is not suitable for an article. That does not mean that it is impossible for you to write an objective, well-referenced article about your friend, but I suspect it will be much more difficult to do so than you imagine.  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 23:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation Pages With Links Monthly Challenge Winner

 * As per the discussion on the DAB talk page, this award is given retroactively and proactively to first-place DAB challenge winners.

Um...
Actually, I am worried, because the split was discussed on Talk:National Transitional Council prior to being undertaken. I'm not particularly pleased with your snap decision to delete the pages without discussion. -Kudzu1 (talk) 22:49, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Talk:National Transitional Council isn't the proper place to discuss moving Foreign relations of Libya, especially since you didn't do an actual move request. RM covers undoing undiscussed controversial moves. I suggest you start a move discussion at Talk:Foreign relations of Libya. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 22:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles with links to disambiguation pages
Hi Jason,

I've noticed that you are the men behind "Articles with links to disambiguation pages". I do loads of work removing links to dab-pages with the help. My source for that is the mentioned page. Is it possible to raise the refreshment rate of this page to 2 or 3 times a day? This makes it far easier for me to see the progress. I am aiming nice and high, to bring down the number of links per article back to under 10 (-10). Next intermediate target (after reaching "-60") are -50 (almost there) and -40. Your help would be greatly appriciated! Night of the Big Wind (talk) 12:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I was wondering who'd been knocking out the heavies on that list! Actually, I now update that page twice daily, but haven't changed the intro text from when it was only once per day. (The mischievous part of me likes the idea of a super-secret second daily update that only the regulars know about. Welcome to the club!) The problem is, it takes about 45 minutes to run that script on Toolserver, so I can't run it too frequently; I don't want to get in trouble with the Toolserver admins for gobbling up resources. Perhaps, though, I could do some sort of "minor" update, solely involving the biggest offenders. I'll think it over. -- Ja Ga  talk 16:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Aha, I settle for twice a day if it is a heavy job for the toolserver. I used to do this work already on the Dutch Wikipedia, but after a conflict and block I'm done with them and have left. But here is enough to do in a field I feel comfortable in...  Night of the Big Wind    talk  22:36, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Their loss is our gain - especially since you're targeting these difficult multi-dab linking articles. I hope to some day lower the threshold for dablinks so more attention is brought to the problem. -- Ja Ga  talk 23:37, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

All category for Dablinks
I'd like to ask you, why do we need the all-inclusive category Category:All pages with excessive dablinks? Debresser (talk) 10:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Why not? -- Ja Ga  talk 19:22, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have a better answer than that? We don't create categories on Wikipedia just because we can. Debresser (talk) 19:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I'm not going to try to justify my decisions to you, which is implicitly asking for your approval, when I don't know who you are or why you're here. You've got a few options. You could (1) assume I'm competent enough to have a good reason (2) look into dablinks and try to figure out the answer yourself, or (3) start over, and make your request in a less demanding manner. My apologies if this offends; I mean no harm, but I do expect a certain amount of consideration. -- Ja Ga  talk 21:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * In view if the fact that you have not brought any reason to have this category, I have removed the category from the template, and will delete the category as soon as it is empty. Debresser (talk) 21:53, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I see you've chosen incivility. OK. -- Ja Ga  talk 21:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is me who is surprised by your hostility. Please don't take it personal, but, as I said, if the category serves no purpose, then we shouldn't have it. Debresser (talk) 21:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * As per advice of 3rd party editor on the WP:ANI-thread you opened, I'd like to ask you if perhaps you have another reply to my original post? Debresser (talk) 22:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, my reply is, why do you ask, is there a problem? -- Ja Ga  talk 22:25, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The only problem is its seeming redundancy. Which is a good reason not to have it. Unless you could give me a reason to have it. Which is precisely what I asked the first time around. Debresser (talk) 22:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Having by-month maintenance categories and a corresponding "all" category is pretty standard practice, you know. I'm surprised you're demanding I justify why I'm following standard procedure. But OK, here you go: members of the DPL like to have all the pages in one place to scan and decide which to work on. I touch on it in this post. Also, I have plans to write a bot to add/remove the templates, and having all of the already-tagged pages in a single category is useful. -- Ja Ga  talk 22:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Having an all-inclusive category is just as standard as not having it. As to the two reasons you mention: If people like to choose, then it is logical to choose from the oldest monthly category first, and work your way through them. And bots don't need all-inclusive categories, they can pick from the monthly subcategories. But, after all is said and done, if you feel these are pressing reasons to keep it, feel free to undo my removal of the all-inclusive category from the template. Debresser (talk) 22:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Will do. Thanks and goodbye. -- Ja Ga  talk 23:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

The ANI is now closed
For your convenience, I have copied my response below:


 * Faking smiles for the sake of not killing each other is always a good thing.


 * As to my thoughts on the issue at hand, as someone who does a lot of backlog work, I tend to like to have backlog trees available (i.e. a Category:XXXs needing YYYs, with subcategories Category:XXXs needing YYYs from July 2011) because a) it makes it easier to prioritize on the oldest issues, and b) looking at a backlog page of 30 items is less daunting than looking at one with 2000 items. At the same time, I know people that like having huge lists, so they can pick items that interest them. There's no reason not to have both, assuming both are kept equally populated, and both link to one another.


 * Therefore I declare you both right, (but also both wrong for letting it get to this state), and recommend that you continue to at least fake smiles towards one another. Also, if you two can manage not to come across each other for a week, that always helps. Cheers, Sven Manguard

I hope this solves the problem. If not, drop me a talkpage message, as I do believe mediation is the answer here.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  01:01, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It does for me. Thanks, -- Ja Ga  talk 07:26, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Database speed ups and access
I just thought I'd let you know of an optimization I discovered. Using IFNULL with the LEFT JOIN it uses only index scans and shaves off 30-50% verses using a separate query for each condition.

Also, could you make the table of pages that your giving out points accessible to other Toolserver uses? The easiest way to do it is by adding the suffix  to the database. Doing this would allow me to create tailored lists of interests. — Dispenser 16:23, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the code! I'll look into the _p change - it may be an easy change, but I would have to do a lot of double-checking to be sure, so it may be a while. Thanks, -- Ja Ga  talk 16:40, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You may want to abstract it so it'll be easier to add other languages to the contest. Also ~mashiah is doing some interesting stuff with graph theory in Java.  — Dispenser 23:39, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ The user results table is now available at u_jason_p.ch_results. It is updated hourly (except for the first of every month). -- Ja Ga  talk 22:39, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Ooooh! Is there any chance of getting access to any of the other tables?  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 23:37, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops:

mysql> use database u_jason_p; ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'russell'@'%.toolserver.org' to database 'database'
 * R'n'B (call me Russ) 23:43, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Huh. I thought the _p would make it accessible. Does anyone know if there's anything else I need to do? (And yeah, I need to open it up more.) -- Ja Ga  talk 02:36, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Doh! No, you don't need to do anything. I needed to learn how to use Mysql :-) -- it's "use u_jason_p", not "use database u_jason_p".  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

JaGaBot error
When JaGaBot updated the monthly challenge winners on Disambiguation pages with links/Disambiguator Hall of Fame, it stripped the image. Could the bot be fixed to leave the image? Quinxorin (talk) 05:38, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Should be easy enough. I'll check it out. Thanks, -- Ja Ga  talk 05:45, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Ja Ga  talk 16:29, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Invitation
You're invited in joining Wikipedia:Why_is_Wikipedia_losing_contributors_-_Thinking_about_remedies. Blackvisionit (talk) 03:51, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Could someone remove the irrelevant personal attack against myself placed by banned user Bogdan Nagachop?
Don't feel yourself limited by non-intervention-guidelines. That page has to stay neutral.

I'll try to refactor that edit in a NPOV way. If you'll feel still offended by it feel free to remove it.

Join also the page if you're interested! Blackvisionit (talk) 21:26, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Ja Ga  talk 22:40, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey could you take a look at this thread and tell me if you think it might be the same guy?  Night w   10:11, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It does look like his editing behavior - especially the SPI edit to defend Tobias, something he almost always does - but considering the account was active during the two recent CheckUsers (Aug 8 and 10), why didn't this account get caught then? I would consider an SPI if he continues the disruptive behavior. -- Ja Ga  talk 14:47, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll keep an eye on it.  Night w   13:02, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Something that may interest you in case you missed it.  Night w   05:17, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I've been watching that. I was going to jump in with explanations of why reinstating Tobias is not a good idea - but people seem to have figured it out without my help. I'm surprised no one has brought up the possibility that NelsonSudan - who has only been an editor since July 16 - might be yet another sock. The editing behavior is very similar, but again, why didn't this account get caught on the recent CheckUser sweeps? I'm going to wait and watch. -- Ja Ga  talk 05:49, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)
Please review and comment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)

JohnLloydScharf (talk) 00:28, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Just to let you know
The downloadable version of Untagged Uncats isn't updating properly; I've clicked on "Regenerate" at least a dozen times now and there are articles which have been tagged still on it. And I don't just mean articles that I've just tagged a few minutes ago; there are articles that were tagged two or three days ago which still haven't dropped off (including one article that got bot tagged twice in two days.) Bearcat (talk) 06:01, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Bearcat. Thanks for letting me know. I've been performing script maintenance lately, and must have missed something. I'll check it out and let you know if I find anything. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 06:03, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry these scripts have been giving you a hard time. I just ran the underlying SQL through the paces, and everything seems to be behaving normally. It's possible that after I transferred some updated files to the Toolserver (coincidentally, 2-3 days ago), I forgot to load them all into mysql. Just to be sure, I reloaded all stored procedures pertaining to uncategorized articles. If you run into this problem again, could you let me know, and give me an article that's giving you the problem? Thanks, -- Ja Ga  talk 06:49, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Peniscola
Hi JaGa, some months ago there was a consensus on the Peniscola article to use the English exonym, instead of the Spanish or Valencian (both with diacritics). However, someone has reverted your move, and has changed it again to the Spanish name. Could you have a look? Many thanks. Jɑυмe (xarrades) 01:16, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Ja Ga  talk 02:05, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Another list request
Can you generate a list of the most-linked-to redirects to disambig pages? I suspect that a large number of disambig links could be eliminated by more judicious use of redirects. Cheers! bd2412 T 20:29, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea. I'll try to get something together. -- Ja Ga  talk 20:46, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! bd2412  T 22:37, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Redirects to dabs -- Ja Ga  talk 15:18, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thanks! bd2412  T 16:43, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

"Libya" and our article contents
I am sorry, can you read? You took it upon yourself to
 * move to Human rights in Libya an article which addresses the following topic: "The history of Libya under Muammar al-Gaddafi was marked by his own brand of authoritarian regime. It was led by Col. Gaddafi and had a poor record of human rights "
 * move to Foreign relations of Libya an article which adresses the following topic: The foreign relations of Libya under Gaddafi

There isn't really much more to say about this without belabouring the obvious.

Since when has it been "controversial" to choose article titles that give an idea on what the article is actually discussing? Both articles have never even addressed any other topic than they do now. The only thing that has changed, like, in the real world, is that "Liyba" is not any longer an automatic synonym of "Libya under Gaddafi". I didn't change these articles, the world changed, and I fixed them being out of date.

Please think about this for a minute. Actually, more like 20 seconds would be enough for most people. If you still don't come to the conclusion that you haven't exactly helped the articles you edited, let us just drop it here. I consider this  simply too silly to permit any kind of reasonable discussion. --dab (𒁳) 10:48, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Your last sentence is patently obvious, since you did not attempt to engage in any. Please see WP:CIVIL.  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:59, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, not much to say in response to that. I look forward to the RM discussion. -- Ja Ga  talk 15:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation bot
Dispenser developed some script that could tag disambiguation pages for the toolserver, but doesn't feel like running it for various reasons. Since you have a TS account, would you mind running such a bot? (The task is described here). Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 19:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm certainly intrigued - although I wish the templates were placed on the article instead of the talk page, like dablinks. How is it decided which pages get templated? -- Ja Ga  talk 20:32, 2 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Well I don't know what the script does exactly, but a bot would ideally be tagging everything that's not an explicit disambiguation link. Like "This was invented in 1945 by Bob Page" would become "This was invented in 1945 by Bob Page", but "Many hurricanes were named Irene" would remain as is. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 22:37, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK, I didn't realize this included inline tagging, I thought it was just about the talk page templates. I'm interested, but I'm worried about time requirements. If I can work it into my daily schedule I think it would be a worthwhile task and am willing to do it. What happens next? -- Ja Ga  talk 19:43, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess talk to dispenser and see if you can get you hands on his script? Then BRFA, trial, approval, and we unleash the fury. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 19:47, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Any updates on this? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 00:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Not yet. I'm in the middle of another project right now; I'm going to consider this seriously after then. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 01:23, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool. Do you have an ETA on this? Days? Weeks Months? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 04:18, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Days, definitely. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 23:00, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Any updates? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 03:59, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I dropped a note at Dispenser's page about it. He gave me a link, and I'm reviewing it - but in the meantime I've begun work on yet another project, so I'm not sure if I'm going to pursue this immediately or not. Sorry to waffle, but I want to see where this new project goes. -- Ja Ga  talk 15:05, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Raymond A. Watson
Hello, JaGa, I hope you are doing well today. Just wondering why you think Kern County has an "unremarkable board of supervisors"? Sincerely, GeorgeLouis (talk) 11:02, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there an article for that board of supervisors? Let's keep the debate at AfD. -- Ja Ga  talk 15:50, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

September 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States
--Kumioko (talk) 21:20, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

And it strikes again...
There are currently six articles that I can't get off the untagged uncats list even though they are tagged: As near as I can tell from the edit histories, they seem to have somehow gotten stranded by User:Rich Farmbrough's move of the Cat improve template to the new title Improve categories on August 29; since then, all six articles have gotten sucked into a recursive bot war in which User:AvicBot tags them as uncats, and then User:SoxBot detags them because they have hidden maintenance categories like or, and then AvicBot tags them again, and you see where this leads, right?
 * Ethelstan
 * International Broadcasting Act
 * Migrant Housing Act of North Carolina
 * Order of Saint Lucia
 * Public health concerns in Onondaga County
 * Red Cross Youth

(I've asked SoxBot's maintainer in the past to either teach the bot how to properly distinguish hidden maintenance categories from real ones or just have it not stick its nose into the categorization queue at all, but to no avail — this is getting to be a really unproductive waste of everybody's time and it's got to stop. But I digress.)

At any rate: I've tried detagging and retagging the articles; I've tried null edits; I've tried redating the templates to the current month — but these six articles just won't drop. Any chance you can locate the problem? Bearcat (talk) 08:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ You were right. My scripts were written to consider any page that links to Cat improve as tagged. When Cat improve was moved to Improve categories, I was still OK because the articles were linking to the new template through Cat improve, now a redirect, which I was looking for. However, once people started using Improve categories itself, my scripts were going to overlook it.
 * Thanks for all the information. It was a huge help in getting to the bottom of this quickly. -- Ja Ga  talk 19:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the thing I found really odd was that even when I switched the template on those articles back to one of the older redirected names that the script should have been able to recognize, they still didn't actually drop. But whatever, glad you got it sorted out. Bearcat (talk) 20:58, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That's because they used to redirect to Cat improve, but now they redirect to Improve categories. When the enwiki database tells you what templates an article links to, it tells you a redirect and the redirect's target. This is good for me, since that means I don't have to track each and every template redirect. But if the target of those redirects changes, watch out! This would have become much worse if you hadn't caught it so quickly. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 21:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for disambiguating the names on the Ezzoud pedigree table. I'll know to watch out for those names in future. I did know there was a artist of some sort called Ribot, so no excuses for that one! Best wishes. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 00:18, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem! Thanks for the note. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 01:19, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

NWW List Thanks.
Thanks for the fixing some of those links on the NWW List page. If you see something you think is wrong but are not sure, please let me know so I can research it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by T9g9k9 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. I appreciate the message. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 03:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Three hares
Dear JaGa:

I was admiring your user page. We share many of the same views and interests. In any event, plese take a look at the above-entitled article. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 23:33, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Got it. Found three dablinks. Lazarus was a tough one. Excellent work on the article BTW. -- Ja Ga  talk 03:47, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help and the positive feedback. I was really intrigued by the obscure subject, and there was no one source that pulled all of this together.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 10:25, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I do get satisfaction about the progress in this article. Here is the way it looked In January 2010 when I started editing it. But its an obscure article on an arcane subject that almost no one would ever look at.  The discussion page ratings (2 "start"s and 1 "stub") for the article are not that good, and that is something that I really don't know how to cure.  The people who do this stuff probably know very little about the subject, and don't realize that the stream can't rise higher than the source. Ah well . . .   7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 11:53, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Mah
Tnx for your good catch on my oversight in Mah (surname)! --Jerzy•t 08:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Oliver Hazard Perry‎
JaGa, Working on getting this to GA. Redid this substantially. Please tweak. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 10:34, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Just found the one - Captain. BTW, I do it with Dab solver, if you're interested. (If not, no worries - I'm more than happy to dabfix any page you're working on.) Also, I was curious, how do you choose articles? Are you a specialist of some sort? Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 10:58, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Article selection is quirky. Part of it relates to interests.  Sometimes it is just connections in articles that I happen to read.  I have a history BA from University of Michigan.  Live and travel a lot in Michigan, and throughout the midwest (especially in Ohio) because of my work.  I like to write about things I know.  If I run across something (like all of the Perry stuff in Ohio) that I encountered, it piqued my interest.  And the article was (I thought) inadequate, poorly researched, failed to touch on lots of basic sources that are available.  I also thought that it was an important article, since we are about at the 200th anniversary of the War of 1812, and Wikipedia ought to have a credible article on the subject.  I've done lots of lighthouse articles Lightship Huron, which is a personal passion, especially in Michigan.  I was revamping all of the Michigan articles (and putative articles, there are or were over 150 lighthouses), but I stopped that project after I got screwed around over the creation and use of some very important templates that listed resources.  I have an abiding interest in language Memory hole, architecture Earl Young (architect), visual concepts Barber pole, Three hares, Michigan Frank Murphy, Alexander Macomb (general), Alexander Groesbeck, Mackinac Bridge, lots of Michigan and Ohio geography and history Sturgeon Point Light and Harrisville, Michigan (which is near my cottage), Traverse City, Michigan, Manistee, Michigan just to name a few.  Northern Michigan was something I knew about, and when I started with it I was irritated because the article was wrong-headed and ignored 2/3 of the area.  I have done a lot of editing concerning legal matters and persons State Bar of Michigan, Ipse dixit, Trial film, Anatomy of a Murder (best trial film ever made), Sherman Minton, articles related to the Supreme Court and system of justice, as I am a lawyer, and do have special expertise.  I've edited articles relating to kayaking and sailing, as I have some practical experience.  I edit things relating to alternate dispute resolution National Academy of Arbitrators because I do that for a living, know the subject and have something to say.  Outhouse was a metaphor for my first wikipedia edits, even before I had a nom de plume, and I thought the article needed improvement.  Done lots of editing on dogs Bernese Mountain dog, Leonberger, Mountain dog, American Akita because I owned them and knew something about the subject.  I got started on magic when I wrote American Museum of Magic (been there), and that led to a bunch of articles about particular magicians Harry Houdini Blackstone and institutions List of magic museums La Maison de la Magie Robert-Houdin.  I created North American Game Warden Museum because I thought it was an interesting subject, and the conservation officers I have worked with are not as well appreciated as they should be.
 * Orlando Poe is one of the most remarkable men I've read about, and did a hell of a lot for lighthouses. Peggy Lee was someone I've appreciated.  Pentagram map was because an important contributor/editor was being bullied (I happened to run across that, and know nothing about the subject, but I do know how to edit), and someone had to intervene.
 * When I work on an article, I often want it to be all it can be, which is probably OCD and being a Wikiholic. I try to reference most everything that I put in.  My pet peeve is that the articles don't get the ratings that I think they deserve.  I've edited a lot of articles, although when I get involved I tend to do quite a few edits, not just a drive-by.
 * To sum up, I try to write about things I know something about, where I think I can make a meaningful contribution. This is based on my vocation, avocations, hobbies, eclectic interests and reading and travels.  I know I can't make 3.7 million articles better, but I think I can make a difference in a few articles, and make them have some quality.
 * I don't mean to bore you, but I thought your question deserved a real answer. We share interests and both obviously have a passion for the project.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 12:39, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If you would dab fix any (or all of those articles, I would be grateful.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:10, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You went to that school up north? I went to Ohio State! We Are Mortal Enemies. Well, I guess I'll let it slide this once. I must say, I admire (and envy) your energy in creating content, easily the most difficult task Wikipedia has to offer. I shirk article creation and justify it with maintenance work at the WP:DPL, also valuable and important work, but I still wish I had your drive. I'll give those articles a look. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 19:48, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

As I said, I do a lot of work in Ohio. Actually maintain a second mailing address in Cincinnati, and I have a real affection for the place and the people. I am not much into footballism, and would prefer that you not hold it against me. We are all working in common cause. As to my "drive" it is more properly an obsession that I try to control. But creating content is something I can do while cogitating real life work. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 20:55, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry - that was entirely in jest. I care more about Wikipedia than football. -- Ja Ga  talk 03:45, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I knew it was in jest. At one time one of my cars did have a 'block M' vanity Michigan license plate, and I changed it to a Michigan Lighthouse (see White Shoal Light (Michigan).  When traveling in Ohio in November, it is not wise to flaunt the colors.  There are some fanatics (on both sides), who go way overboard and do stupid things.  It is like that idiot who poisoned the symbolic oaks at Auburn University Auburn trees poisoned because of a football rivalry.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 11:40, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for actually following up on all those listed articles. Looks like its a disambiguation treasure trove.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 17:50, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually they were pretty clean, considering what I'm used to seeing. At one point, after I'd reviewed 4-5 articles in a row without dablinks, I started to think there was something wrong with Dab Solver! -- Ja Ga  talk 17:55, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Apparently. That's pretty cool. To the extent that I edit stuff, I do try to get it right. According to one of the counters, I think I've been undone or reverted 120 times out of 34,000+ live edits. Although I've corrected a lot of my own work and that doesn't show in those counts, except by the absence of others undoing what I've done. And of course, I've just given up on some things that I thought were wrong-headed, and I was just facing obdurate and overwhelming opposition. As Kenny Rogers said in The Gambler (song), you've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold'em. Fortunately, most of my edits are on articles nobody cares about (or reads). However, I just finished messing around with Eppa Rixey (my neighbor is his grandson, who was interviewed in one of the sources, and it just piqued my interest), and think that the article is better for my tweaks than it was when they made it a GA.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 18:07, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That one's clean, not a single dablink. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 18:10, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

REDIRECT Burnt offering
Hi. I'm not sure about the redirect to Greek holocaust rather than Burnt offering (Judaism). Looking at Google Books the WP:RS clearly use this term in relation to Ancient Israel not Ancient Greece. A page move of Burnt offering (Judaism) overdefinition to Burnt offering would seem to be the most WP:RS consistent solution. What's the correct forum to discuss this? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:27, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * A discussion at WP:RfD would be best - that forum is not just for deletion. One thing for certain: there should never, ever be a disambig with a single entry. -- Ja Ga  talk 02:37, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Sherman Minton
Please check if ou haven't done so already. Is going to be an FA. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 03:05, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Clean. That really is a fantastic article BTW. -- Ja Ga  talk 03:26, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Pleomorphism
Thanks for the reminder to disambig the incoming links! I've finished that now - that tool is indeed very handy. eug (talk) 13:45, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Caliber
I can't understand you. What have you against the disambiguation of calibre? --Ovidi (talk) 17:51, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * My decision was based on WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. When one term is much more likely than the others to be what is searched for, it is primary. The hatnote at Caliber covers the other possibilities. -- Ja Ga  talk 18:11, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmmmm
Something wrong here. :) Showing up as a red link right now. Can you take a look? Thanks :) --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 04:42, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, my monthly script, which should run at midnight UTC, was delayed for a couple of hours. It has now run successfully. That redlink should get created by one of R'n'B's bots (or maybe Russ himself, I'm not sure) but since my script was behind schedule I'd say Russ wasn't able to update the DPL on time.
 * The good news is, since the script has now run, you can work on the monthly list and be sure the DPL will be updated soon. -- Ja Ga  talk 05:40, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I also left a note at R'n'B's page. Thanks for the note! Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 05:43, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * My DPL script is now running; however, your daily update script at 08:30 today failed, so there won't be a Daily Disambig update until your update has been completed. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:34, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, update done. I don't know what killed the morning run. -- Ja Ga  talk 19:33, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Your work on tidying up page on County Surveyor
JaGa

Please accept my humble apologies for causing you so much work on the 'County surveyor' page. I am new to editing Wikipedia article pages, and, if I feel an urgent calling to edit a page because I can see it is incomplete or incorrect, then I edit it, and again, and again, etc., etc.,......until I stop due to physical and/or mental exhaustion and have to lie down and go to sleep, even though still far from satisfied with the result; and after maybe an hour's sleep, will return to editing it again, and again, and again......until I 'crash out' again....and again, and again......

These cycles are caused by my autistic traits (I have asperger's syndrome, but with managed attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD). I say 'managed' because I was taught fifteen years ago to consciously play one off against the other to concentrate and sustain my focus on what I am faced with, particularly if it is within the terms of my professional experience and commitments.

As you can see from the Talk page about the 'County surveyor' page, and my User page, I am a retired UK county surveyor with almost 50 years service, and have been chartered and commissioned by the Crown to promulgate my knowledge to the best of my ability, which are two of my strongest psychological drivers.

Being new to Wikipedia page editing, I am not yet as familiar with it as I am to MicroSoftOfficeWord, which I normally use day-in and day-out as I journal a lot due to my autistic condition. I similary use Mindgenius Business V4. I learnt use both of these by trial and error, so that is how I am trying to learn how to use Wikipedia's main article page editing system.

Inevitably one cannot learn by trial and error unless one makes errors, and you have bourne the brunt of one such error of mine, obviously. I have therefore stopped doing what I was doing, which was to use the double squared brackets syntax to indicate to the reader that there are Wikipedia articles they can access where that can find more complete information about the words or phrases that I surrounded with those brackets.

I began doing that because millions of people around the world access Wikipedia daily to find more about a word or phrase that they need to know about. Also children access Wikipedia, for the very reason that it is 'open access'.

I have 64/65 years of using English, am well-read, highly-qualified, have a AA IQ (Alice Heim test), and write as if I only have a few more minutes to live. Not many of the children and adults from all around the world have those advantages. So that must put many of the people around the world who might access anything that I write at a disadvantage unless I make an effort to lead them to articles that help to make sense of what I write. But, if that policy offends some aspect of Wikipedia article editing of which I am unaware, then I must curb it. I have not therefore used that policy in the edits I have done since I noticed your entries in the page history, and I won't use it again.

My motives were right, but misguided by my ignorance. I will not therefore get paranoid about your distant intervention in my edits, and I will set aside some time to understand what Wikipedia policy I offended and why that policy is necessary.

Once again,

I apologise.

Adrian
 * No problem, Adrian. Getting accustomed to wiki syntax and practices is a steep initial learning curve. I was going to place a note on your page with some editing hints, but I was worried you would think it was condescending and leave the project. I am glad to see you're improving the article, and I thought a lot of the content chunks you had were interesting. I hope you stick with us long enough to see it through!


 * You probably should not have placed your notes and scraps in the article itself - that causes the content to come to the attention of other editors like myself before you're ready for that. I could make a copy of your current work in your user space if you're interested - then you and only you would be working on it until it's complete. (If I did that, I would have to revert the article to the state it was in before you started work on it.)


 * Regarding linking, one has to be choosy. You may want to review WP:OVERLINKING. Common things that you can expect the lay reader to understand, like "land" or "bridge", should not be linked. Also, you may want to double check links you create to see they actually go where you think they're going - for instance, there were many people in history referred to as William I. To correct it, you would want to write the link as William I . That way it displays as "William I" but actually goes to "William the Conqueror". Here's the corrected link: William I.


 * Please let me know if you have any other questions. I'd be more than happy to help you learn the ropes of editing. Cheers! -- Ja Ga  talk 16:16, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Raymond A. Watson (2nd nomination)
Hi JaGa. Because you initiated in Articles for deletion/Raymond A. Watson, you may be interested in Articles for deletion/Raymond A. Watson (2nd nomination). Cunard (talk) 23:58, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

DPL Bot
Hello.

I thought I should let you know, DPL Bot has been reported to WP:UAA. I think it's because the bot obviously has 'bot' in it's name yet doesn't seem to be an approved bot yet. Can I ask what the status is on this becoming an approved bot?--5 albert square (talk) 22:00, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm planning on making a bot proposal this week, and I created the account so I can use it for some test edits in my userspace. -- Ja Ga  talk 22:40, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've put a note at WP:UAA to reflect this. Good luck with the bot proposal!--5 albert square (talk) 23:03, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: my previous note to you
I was fortunate to have to take my daughter's children in my car from my house where they had spent a couple of days, to a town an hour away, to hand them over to their father for the remainder of their journey home, and, on the way back, had enough quiet time to think about the issues I mentioned in my previous note.

I have reconsidered what I said in that note, and consider that some of my cross-references from the article I am working on to other articles in Wikipedia were legitimate, honourable, considerate of others, and necessary to provide verifiability of matters I wrote about.

So I have begun continuing to use the facility, but will only use it the first time I need to use it for those purposes, per cross-reference, in order to avoid numerous duplications, which, I think, the reason for your intervention.

I trust that I will not be a bother to you again.

Adrian

DadrianT,EsqMCIHT (talk) 00:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)