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 * Well, according to the Signpost, the tool server issue is set to be resolved by Friday. That's time enough to get the correct numbers of March, and get the April contest up and running, right? bd2412  T 14:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Who knows where they came up with Friday? It's probably just a wild-assed guess.  It could finish five minutes from now, or it could run until May.  :-(  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * In this case, the "they" who came up with Friday is User:Josh Parris, so I have asked him directly where he came up with Friday. bd2412  T 15:52, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * He's been repeating estimates I made in MNT-1225, 3 days and 18 days being a reasonable lower and upper limits (Too low? 1 seek per row read/write was assumed).  Extrapolating  a single 2008 data point the estimate raises to 48 days, but halving it twice (Moore's law) puts us at Friday March 30.  Although the HDD filling means that both database servers will need a new dump to import.  So early April is my new projection.  — Dispenser 17:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Where did you learn that the HDD on rosemary was full? --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Is Moore's law really applicable here? It applies to the development of capacity in the cutting edge of technology, but has Wikipedia actually upgraded its speeds in pace with the cutting edge of technology from then to now? bd2412  T 19:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I was mistaken about rosemary being full. They're identical servers (AFAIK), but enwiki is strangely 100 GB larger on thyme.
 * Wikimedia donates out of warranty servers (3+ years old), so Moore's law is a pretty good assumption. Plus the uncorrected estimate was worse then the worst possible case so I needed to chop it down.  Still better than "we don't know when".  — Dispenser 22:15, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 * In an attempt by the universe to make me look prescient, it now appears that a database dump will be loaded "before the end of the week". Josh Parris 10:29, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And what week are you referring to? Night of the Big Wind  talk  17:52, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh no, you used two cynical start tags instead of a start tag and a closing end tag! Now you're stuck in cynical mode! -- Ja Ga  talk 17:59, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I see on tag "on" and one tag "off"  Night of the Big Wind  talk  18:43, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Not well formed SGML. Josh Parris 03:13, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Caught me out... my cunning plan was to say "but it's not even the end of the week!" whenever the problem got fixed. However, there is this: toolserver-l/2012-March/004867.html Josh Parris 03:13, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The use of the "Cynical mode" was definately correct. Maybe the Toolserver is working again (finally), the works done have f**ked up the scripts running on it. Thumbs down, mate! Night of the Big Wind  talk  16:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note about the disambiguation pages links on Moe's bar and lounge
Fixed the problems.--Aichikawa (talk) 21:43, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Great, cheers! -- Ja Ga  talk 04:29, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

\internet explorer problem
When I try to use the dab fixer and then try to save. I get a message that Internet Explorer has altered the page to prevent cross-scripting. I then get a page with just "#" on it. My amendmetns are then not saved! How do I prevent this. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:05, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikimedia Bug 32013 causes Dab Solver edits to look if you are on IE version 8 or 9. If that's your version, there really isn't anything User:Dispenser (the tool's creator) or I can do; Wikimedia needs to fix their code. You could use a non-IE browser, but really, it's probably too much hassle; please feel free to delete the message on your page and opt out of future messages. -- Ja Ga  talk  16:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The workaround I currently use is to force users to get their edit token and then save blindly. I just changed the message (which is what Peterkingiron probably missed) so it more noticeable, easier to read, edit token state aware.  — Dispenser 18:52, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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Quesitons for an MSU research project
Hello, I am involved with a research project for Michigan State University and am wondering if you would be able to answer a few questions regarding tool sets on Wikipedia. If so please let me know and I can post back to you. Here is a link to the project if you are interested United States Education Program/Courses/Wiki-Project Management (Jonathan Obar), and if you have any questions please let me know. Ltezl (talk) 01:21, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for April 9
When you recently edited National-Anarchism, I added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Beyond left and right. This link was intented because this page contains the most common definition of the term followed by a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. --Loremaster (talk) 03:45, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone else took care of it - and I agree with that change. What do you think? -- Ja Ga  talk 20:07, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

DAB Challenge
This hour's update seems to be taking a bit longer than usual: like, two-and-a-half days longer. ;-) Maybe it's time to DROP TABLE ch_t_results?  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Thanks for the note; table dropped. -- Ja Ga  talk 20:06, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Also, the update time posted on the page seems to be an hour behind the time it actually updated the edit, like here. Anything?  Rcsprinter  (shout)  20:14, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

OOPS!
Sorry, I was correcting spelling but it turns out to have been a mistake.

I have now changed it back.

EoGuy (talk) 14:01, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks for the note. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 23:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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Irving Dardik link
Fixed the link. Thanks for bring this to my attention. Д-р СДжП,ДС 06:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

added a disambiguation link...
I receive notices saying I have 'added a disambiguation link'. In nearly all cases, I have not added anything, but made some other edit and did not touch the portion of the article with the already offending link. Isn't the message I receive rather misleading? Hmains (talk) 16:07, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it (I'm traveling right now) but DPL bot is actually pretty accurate with determining who added a link. I'll look up what data DPL bot used to reach its conclusion. -- Ja Ga  talk 02:13, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah you added a piped link to BRU with this edit, when you added
 * | Religion = Romanian Bishop united with Rome
 * It has since been corrected by another user. -- Ja Ga  talk 04:17, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Greetings. The bot says I added a disambig to "Jefferson" but I checked the article and it actually reads Thomas Jefferson. don't know why this leads to the disambig?? Best wishes Melba1 (talk) 02:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Another user fixed the error after DPL bot sent its message. -- Ja Ga  talk 04:18, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Leaderboard
Something happened to the DAB Challenge leaderboard today; the stats for the month seem to have been reset. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:54, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I wasn't going to win anyway so. :-D --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 08:19, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Completely my fault. The update script got hung - again - and I wasn't around to set it free. I've put in the results as of April 28 as the final results. I assumed JustAGal won the bonus links - does anyone know if that's incorrect? -- Ja Ga  talk 04:22, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Just not as high as you made her out to be. Any explanation to what when wrong?  JustAGal made 88 edit today which would've meant a spot on the incorrect board.  — Dispenser 06:14, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

DPL bot question
Me again, but a different question for you this time. While I certainly recognize and appreciate the utility of DPL bot, there are also occasional situations where the disambiguation page might actually be the most correct and desirable link.

My textbook example of this is Sault Ste. Marie, two cities which were a single settlement until US control of Michigan was established in 1817, thereby dividing it into two. Consequently, in articles where the context predates 1817, the correct link would actually be to a unified article that covers both cities, rather than to one or the other — and even in some modern cases, a link might occasionally still be referring to the cross-border region as a whole rather than to one city or the other, and thus disambiguating the link would actually be inappropriate and unhelpful. Despite this, however, there's not actually much encyclopedic value at this time in having a separate article about the cross-border Sault Ste. Marie region in addition to the dab page and the articles about the individual cities — with the result that in cases where a distinction between the SSM in Ontario and the SSM in Michigan is irrelevant to the context, the disambiguation page itself is really the only thing that can be linked to.

And despite that, further, there are still going to be some cases where somebody links to the dab page even though the link should be disambiguated to point to one city or the other, meaning that DPLbot shouldn't just permanently exclude that dab page from being checked at all.

Accordingly, I was wondering: is there a way, or could there be a way, to flag certain specific links as "DPLbot should ignore this particular link", preferably without having it just skip over the entire article in case there are still other links that should be disambiguated? No worries if not, but just thought I should ask anyway. Bearcat (talk) 18:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * If you intend to link to the disambiguation page, in the relatively rare situation where that is the correct link, then you should follow WP:HOWTODAB and link to Sault Ste. Marie (disambiguation). JaGa can let us know if I am correct, but I assume that the DPLBot would not send you a notice if you did this.  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:45, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That's correct. DPL bot ignores intentional disambiguation links. -- Ja Ga  talk 04:06, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages with links/Disambiguator Hall of Fame
Obviously the April numbers are screwy. Can the correct totals be retrieved? (I'm not on the list this month, but I'm sure those who are would enjoy the recognition). Cheers! bd2412 T 03:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The best I could do is make the leaders from April 28 into the final results. If I had caught the outage sooner all this would have been avoided, but I was out of town and unable to check up on on things. And of course something had to go wrong! I had to guess on the bonus list winner; that data was lost. If anyone knows that somebody got more bonus points than JustAGal, could they let me know? -- Ja Ga  talk 04:04, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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Thomas Hardy
Actually I am ok for reversal back to earlier set-up without discussion as now I am convinced the novelist has such notability that it deserves to be the main page werldwayd (talk) 22:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks for the note. -- Ja Ga  talk 22:45, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help JaGa. INeverCry   23:03, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

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Untags redux
I just wanted to let you know that the untagged uncats list has picked up less than 10 articles this entire week combined, rather than the longstanding pattern of between 150-200 new articles each and every day. Officially the toolserver replag is currently at zero, so I don't know if maybe there's a programming problem somewhere that's causing it to fail to pick pages up, or if Wikipedia has just suddenly gotten 100% smarter about categorizing articles such that there actually haven't been any uncats to pick up (although unfortunately that explanation seems rather unlikely.) Thought you should know, at any rate, so that you can look into whether there's something wrong. Bearcat (talk) 17:43, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to update you: I don't know if you did anything or if there was a problem at the server level that got fixed separately from you, but things look more normal today: 1,030 articles, which is pretty consistent with a week's worth of the normal rate. Bearcat (talk) 18:27, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Update #2: on Sunday, however, the page picked up just one article that hadn't already been on Saturday's list. Bearcat (talk) 18:11, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Bearcat! Sorry I didn't reply sooner; I've been out of town and life is very very hectic right now. This is strange; the report is running and appears to be fine. I'll have to look into this. Thanks for letting me know about it. -- Ja Ga  talk 04:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Another update: every single day so far this week, I've regenerated the list to find that it only contained somewhere between one and five articles, each and every one a repeat of an article from Saturday's list which subsequently got detagged or categorized in a redlink, and thus sent back to the uncats list again, instead of being correctly categorized. So, in other words, for three days in a row now the list has failed to pick up any new articles at all.

The pattern seems to have been the same for the past few weeks, in fact: the list fails to pick up any new articles during the week, instead picking up only a handful of misfiled retreads, and then picks up an entire week's worth of uncats all at once on Saturday. Bearcat (talk) 00:38, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Your perspective would be valuable
Hi there. I would appreciate it if you could visit Talk:Muhammad. The article, Muhammad, has changed significantly since it originally passed WP:GA several years ago. It now states in the opening paragraph that Mohammad is the Founder of Islam and has relegated to a note at the end of the article that Muslims, themselves don't believe this. I have started a discussion on the talk page concerning this and would value your input. Thanks so much. Veritycheck (talk) 00:46, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Germans
Hi. I found an error in the article (see photo). Copernicus was not a German, he was from Poland. --Top811 my talk —Preceding undated comment added 15:54, 12 May 2012 (UTC).

Leaderboard has lost a few pegs
The current leaderboard numbers are way off for the month. It seems to have reset at zero a few days ago. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:08, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Bot_requests
It may be interesting for you as it is almost copy of DPL bot task - maybe you may do this? Bulwersator (talk) 11:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

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Your ToolServer tools for Simple English Wikipedia
Hello. I've noticed that none of you tools (or at least all of what I've seen, for disambiguation) for the Simple English Wikipedia are connecting to the database. An example of the error is: Database connection error. Please try again later.

Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 0

Database connection error: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 0

Contact: my discussion page on the English Wikipedia Thanks.  Hazard-SJ  ✈   21:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

AN thread
Your comments at this AN thread would be greatly appreciated; you'd probably have a better idea of what to do than any of us. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 19:50, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Over my head!
Wow! I am way over my head here, and done looking at supposed "help" links. I'm just an old lady looking around on facebook. Many I knew list Custer High, yet the fact they don't have a real FB page seems sad, at the same time appropriate... such a messed up place is was and still is. Went to Custer High, SD... way back in the 80's. I just followed the wikipedia link to you as a contributor. See you are a S. Dak. man. Perhaps you know how crazy the backroads in SD can be? Perhaps you can help Custer High make a decent Facebook page so past and current students have... something? I, myself, don't have anything positive to contribute to such a page, but I'm sure there are many computer savvy kids there who could and should do so. I'm concerned about why they don't. I thankfully escaped S.Dak to Mt. after 2 kids, and much sadness, ickiness... and downright insanity (sick babies, starvation, physical abuse, pedophilia, animal abuse...). It began in Custer after they found out I'd been molested by an uncle, a big shot, sent me to the nurse, principal, a shrink, the sherrif... Qite a shock for a shy grl pulled out of class where the whole school/town could see my path. Some tried to help, but I was despirited, scared.... listened to the wrong people, gave up "ran away" with Randy Schroth, who was "respected" as handsome, charismatic, showy souped up truck (lol, never could drive it up my parents driveway when it snowed, rode bulls,... My peers told me I was "stupid" not to feel flattered, so I tried to be. Again, some educational folks tried: I got to paint a bobcat mural as part of my "punishment" for something. Wish I knew who he was now! Thank him! On the other had, so many in that system should never have jobs around kids. Like that gym teacher/study hall monitor/monster. I remember her watching me like a buzzard, and yelling "Brenda Baby" whenever I reacted to all the others who should have been reprimanded for bugging me until I did react. I remember just going to the pencil sharpner was scary, another 'suitor', Randy would follow me there, and I'd be the one in trouble. All the while, the other Randy was making a show outside the window of the whole high-school, with his fancy boots, truck... Perhaps if Custer had a website, it would help kids who need to know where their true support is? I heard many years ago that one of Randy Schroth's many "girlfriends", Jamie (only 13 at the time, alcoholic Dad, and lacking a Mom!) started a victims shelter in Hot Springs. A facebook page could link such unofficial 'alumina' to help others. while we were married even started a My daughters "father", Randall R Schroth was too angry and busy with his weekend date with his 16 yo girlfriend, Sally Schelsted (yup, his parents & sister knew... even had her over for dinners while I and todler literally starved, and were pissed I was doing this on his weekend off for his date), to even be there... I rode an "unbroken" mare to the only phone booth in Buffalo Gap after my water broke... phone was broke. A broken down cowboy who later hung himself, Steve Clark, walked by asked me how it was going. I pointed out my my soaked jeans from my water breaking, told him the phone didn't work, and I asked him if he could call my Mom for me. Poor guy was freaked out, ran off, and had to come back to ask for my Mom's phone #. Randy's Mom had driven past (in her big, fancy, jacked up, souped up, loud 4x4 truck, only to note, and complain then and to this day that I was very pregnant, on an unbroken horse with a toddler, but never stopped to ask why, or even bitch me out (Schroths are only about image). After I filled out the form to name her Renee in the hospital, her "Father" didn't even bother to ask for years (she wasn't "Neil"), and didn't even know it wasn't 'Rena', nor did his parents until she was in Middle School, when he and his new wife went after me in court for "custodial interference"/blackmail to get me to remove his "parental rights" so he wasn't liable for child support, which he'd hever paid, and he and his parents threatened me not to even ask for. Ironically, I'd tried hard to let, especially Teather, his first daughter who remembered him, and he'd initially been proud of, know her father and paternal grandparents without any cooperation, let alone the $ they so worried about. There were no birthday cards let alone gifts, no visits all about her (showing up after the bars closed in Bozeman, fucking my teen friends, using my china for spittoons, assaulting me only counted toward his "custodial interference"charges??? Threats from his attorney in White Sulphur Springs Mt that he would put me in jail?!). Indeed, I know I sound like a raving lunatic, and I'm a raving lunatic. Still, I think you can help me, and help Custer High. I can't do a web page, and as you can see, not even a decent letter to you :). I probably won't be visiting this site again to meet you here, but hope you can help make the changes I hope for with the help of talented students from Custer High. If you need to contact me, I'm Lena on Facebook, and bjoystrand@hotmail.com. Otherwise... Thanks for reading, and navigating this new digital world! B ≈Chien timied (talk) 21:43, 27 May 2012 (UTC)Bjoyous Chien_timide

Over my head!
Wow! I am way over my head here, and done looking at supposed "help" links. I'm just an old lady looking around on facebook. Many I knew list Custer High, yet the fact they don't have a real FB page seems sad, at the same time appropriate... such a messed up place is was and still is. Went to Custer High, SD... way back in the 80's. I just followed the wikipedia link to you as a contributor. See you are a S. Dak. man. Perhaps you know how crazy the backroads in SD can be? Perhaps you can help Custer High make a decent Facebook page so past and current students have... something? I, myself, don't have anything positive to contribute to such a page, but I'm sure there are many computer savvy kids there who could and should do so. I'm concerned about why they don't. I thankfully escaped S.Dak to Mt. after 2 kids, and much sadness, ickiness... and downright insanity (sick babies, starvation, physical abuse, pedophilia, animal abuse...). It began in Custer after they found out I'd been molested by an uncle, a big shot, sent me to the nurse, principal, a shrink, the sherrif... Qite a shock for a shy grl pulled out of class where the whole school/town could see my path. Some tried to help, but I was despirited, scared.... listened to the wrong people, gave up "ran away" with Randy Schroth, who was "respected" as handsome, charismatic, showy souped up truck (lol, never could drive it up my parents driveway when it snowed, rode bulls,... My peers told me I was "stupid" not to feel flattered, so I tried to be. Again, some educational folks tried: I got to paint a bobcat mural as part of my "punishment" for something. Wish I knew who he was now! Thank him! On the other had, so many in that system should never have jobs around kids. Like that gym teacher/study hall monitor/monster. I remember her watching me like a buzzard, and yelling "Brenda Baby" whenever I reacted to all the others who should have been reprimanded for bugging me until I did react. I remember just going to the pencil sharpner was scary, another 'suitor', Randy would follow me there, and I'd be the one in trouble. All the while, the other Randy was making a show outside the window of the whole high-school, with his fancy boots, truck... Perhaps if Custer had a website, it would help kids who need to know where their true support is? I heard many years ago that one of Randy Schroth's many "girlfriends", Jamie (only 13 at the time, alcoholic Dad, and lacking a Mom!) started a victims shelter in Hot Springs. A facebook page could link such unofficial 'alumina' to help others. while we were married even started a My daughters "father", Randall R Schroth was too angry and busy with his weekend date with his 16 yo girlfriend, Sally Schelsted (yup, his parents & sister knew... even had her over for dinners while I and todler literally starved, and were pissed I was doing this on his weekend off for his date), to even be there... I rode an "unbroken" mare to the only phone booth in Buffalo Gap after my water broke... phone was broke. A broken down cowboy who later hung himself, Steve Clark, walked by asked me how it was going. I pointed out my my soaked jeans from my water breaking, told him the phone didn't work, and I asked him if he could call my Mom for me. Poor guy was freaked out, ran off, and had to come back to ask for my Mom's phone #. Randy's Mom had driven past (in her big, fancy, jacked up, souped up, loud 4x4 truck, only to note, and complain then and to this day that I was very pregnant, on an unbroken horse with a toddler, but never stopped to ask why, or even bitch me out (Schroths are only about image). After I filled out the form to name her Renee in the hospital, her "Father" didn't even bother to ask for years (she wasn't "Neil"), and didn't even know it wasn't 'Rena', nor did his parents until she was in Middle School, when he and his new wife went after me in court for "custodial interference"/blackmail to get me to remove his "parental rights" so he wasn't liable for child support, which he'd hever paid, and he and his parents threatened me not to even ask for. Ironically, I'd tried hard to let, especially Teather, his first daughter who remembered him, and he'd initially been proud of, know her father and paternal grandparents without any cooperation, let alone the $ they so worried about. There were no birthday cards let alone gifts, no visits all about her (showing up after the bars closed in Bozeman, fucking my teen friends, using my china for spittoons, assaulting me only counted toward his "custodial interference"charges??? Threats from his attorney in White Sulphur Springs Mt that he would put me in jail?!). Indeed, I know I sound like a raving lunatic, and I'm a raving lunatic. Still, I think you can help me, and help Custer High. I can't do a web page, and as you can see, not even a decent letter to you :). I probably won't be visiting this site again to meet you here, but hope you can help make the changes I hope for with the help of talented students from Custer High. If you need to contact me, I'm Lena on Facebook, and bjoystrand@hotmail.com. Otherwise... Thanks for reading, and navigating this new digital world! B ≈Chien timied (talk) 21:43, 27 May 2012 (UTC)Bjoyous Chien_timide

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One-Day International cricket grounds
Recently compiled this site (established with help from rich). Can you change heading to One-Day International cricket grounds (hyphen included). The links were for Test match grounds (don't know how to correct this). Think this is important reference material. Probably needs adjusting though. Regards, PatriciaSR. (PatriciaSR (talk) 22:34, 1 June 2012 (UTC)).

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DPL bot still working?
Is DPL bot still adding dablink notifications to editors' talk pages? I added a link to an page I know was a dab page, yet DPL bot didn't ping me. Is something wrong? David 1217 03:24, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Note: Adding this to DPL bot's talk page, as JaGa hasn't been active for 22 days. David 1217 03:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've had DPL shut down while I've been unavailable. I'll probably start it up again soon - although I'll have to wait until I know I can keep up with the feedback. -- Ja Ga  talk 14:20, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh good. I missed DPL bot. David 1217 21:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You could always use ~dispenser/cgi-bin/watchlist_points.py to check your own edits. Maybe we need to make a comprehensive (and understandable) resource for disambiguation needs? — Dispenser 04:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

DAB Challenge leaderboard
Hi,

I've recently had my User name changed from Ahmerkhan to AK456. Will that be changed on the DAB Challenge leaderboard automatically or would you have to do that manually?--AK456 (talk) 08:45, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Nice work BTW. -- Ja Ga  talk 14:19, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

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This article currently links to a large number of disambiguation
Please see
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I think your FAQ is missing two questions:
 * 1) Why put an editor to editor message in article space? The Wikipedia talk:Maintenance for such maintenance messages.
 * 2) You do not have a question that says: "What if there's are multiple articles choose as a link listed on the dab page but I do not know which one is correct"

Perhaps you could be so good as to spend a moment or two and answer each question in which ever of the two linked sections above that you think is appropriate. -- PBS (talk) 13:45, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Placing maintenace tags in article space is a long accepted practice in Wikipedia. If tags are placed in the talk page they are inevitably ignored. I'll take a look at the article when I get a chance and fix what I can. -- Ja Ga  talk 16:49, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I came here because of your comment on Talk:Minor campaigns of 1815. I do not normally watch other user's talk page and for the questions I have asked the answer would be better on a more public page so that others who are interested can see and join in the conversation. So please copye your answer to whichever page you think most appropriate. -- PBS (talk) 12:53, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

List of postal codes in Germany
Just aheads up. The places listed on List of postal codes in Germany are not always municipalities. But they are recognized by the postal service as seperate entities. Else the list is in a bit of a mess anyway. Agathoclea (talk) 12:49, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I wonder if it would be better to pattern the page after DE wiki's version. While you're here, I see you added a link to Münchweiler. Do you know which one has that postal code? Right now it points to a disambig. -- Ja Ga  talk 16:50, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same thing, OTOH it could be a useful list to identify more possible disambiguations. Also quite handy as I have thrown mybook of postcodes out with the last move. Münchweiler was quite easy but Hochwald earlier was quite tricky as the area of Hochwald is not connected to the rest of the municipality it belongs to. Agathoclea (talk) 22:09, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

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New Image of Alfred Adler
Hi JaGa, I think this new image meets expectations and is current. It gives a new image to the paper and makes it attractive. Thank you, --Five6 (talk) 18:18, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
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Hi JaGa, I found other sources that sireven support http://www.marxists.org/glossary/people/a/d.htm and http://psychotherapy-alfred-adler Thanks, --Five6 (talk) 15:46, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

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I think I have seen something strange: the replag going down!! <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:52, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Are there any alternate methods to see things like templates with disam links? That's the list I'm concerned about losing control of. We had gotten it down to 5-10 pages a day but I remember a time when it was hundreds of templates. If I have to wait until 2015 when everything is working again, then I will, but... :) --User:Woohookitty Disamming fool! 08:26, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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Just FYI, the Orphaned Images updates and Named Disambig updates have both been failing silently (as far as I can tell) for the last few days. script_status.php shows them both as pending, but in fact there are no jobs or MySQL queries currently alive on Toolserver. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:22, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
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 * Well, OK, maybe it isn't as bad as all that, but things do seem to be falling apart. Stupid hashes! How much longer? Mere anarchy, indeed! I'm gonna wait and see - those reports have few users AFAICS. -- Ja Ga  talk 08:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
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 * Agreed. Russ, do you know where we can get a status update on these bloody hashes? I'm starting to worry about September... -- Ja Ga  talk 16:17, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * http://jira.toolserver.org/browse/MNT-1262 (which I reported on yesterday at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links). --R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:20, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
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 * Woo hoo! Looks like Russ beat me to it. Could the drought be over? I think I'll restart DPL bot this afternoon too. -- Ja Ga  talk 17:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I did restart all the tools but most of them are being query-killed due to the remaining replag; I'll try them again manually if/when it gets down below 30 minutes. I'm also trying DAB Challenge manually because it has failed the last couple of times.  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 17:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
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Twelve Romanesque churches of Cologne
Prompted by the red links, I wrote the two missing articles to this set.

Can I ask you, when creating a title for a building such as St. Georg's in Cologne, to use the format St. Georg's Church, Cologne, not St. Georg's (Cologne).

Firstly, the church needs to be defined as "church", as distinct from suburb.

Secondly, the location is an essential part of the church's identity. It doesn't go in brackets, but after a comma. Brackets are used in Wikipedia titles to set aside information that is not part of the title eg: Joe Kelly (author), Joe Kelly (racing driver), Joe Kelly (musician), Joe Kelly (pitcher), Joe Kelly (boxer), Joe Kelly (hurler), Joe Kelly (politician).

Amandajm (talk) 06:38, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Redlink's a redlink. I just followed the syntax I saw in the article. Happy editing! -- Ja Ga  talk 07:55, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links may be of interest to you. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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RE: Disambiguation link notification for August 20
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 * "Hi. When you recently edited Contents of the Voyager Golden Record, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Surf(check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ* Join us at the DPL WikiProject. 


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Named Dabs
Hey, pal. named_dab_procs.php failed with a fatal error at line 90, which is in the following block:

There is no function "log_slow_query"; I commented out these two lines until you get a chance to decide what to do about the error. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I meant to take all of those out and missed that one. I used to have a function in common.php that kept me up on suspiciously slow queries but stopped following it. I'll take it out altogether. Thanks for the heads up. -- Ja Ga  talk 20:27, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, took care of it. That's one thing that's going to be difficult about reading my code; artifacts like these that no longer make sense. I did clean the code up before moving it to the dpl project but there will be things like this from time to time. Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 20:32, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

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Apologies
Of course - Danish could be a pastry. Must have been a senior moment - after all, I was 60 in 2012. Will try to avoid similar errors in future. Neilbeach (talk) 20:59, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
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Hi. Is there any chance that DPL bot could run through List of Judson Dance Theater performers and let me know which of the Wikilinks need disambiguating? The list was contributed by a new user, who tried to put into the Judson Dance Theater article, but, because it was so long (it's intended to be all-inclusive), I spun it off into the list article. I'd like to give them a hand a cleaning it up, and knowing which links need DABing would be a good start. Thanks in advance. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:37, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
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 * Thanks from me as well, Russ. Hey I see the dab challenge is knackered again. I'm currently out of town, but I was considering rebooting the contest from here tonight if I can. Think that would be OK? We'd lose current progress. -- Ja Ga  talk 20:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think it ever properly ran the monthly process. I tried it this morning but query-killer got it. Need to wait for replag to come down. R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right; it got killed. I'm surprised at that; normally the monthly process is very quick. -- Ja Ga  talk 22:11, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I forgot to mention: I also turned off the hourly challenge updates in cronie until the monthly update can get done; then I planned to turn it back on. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 00:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I got the monthly process to run. I'll let you turn on the hourly ch updates once everything checks out. Let me know if you see anything off! Cheers, -- Ja Ga  talk 05:48, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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DPL bot left a message on the talk page of my userpage, and I sent a thank you back to DPL bot - but as I said there, as the message was from a bot, I wonder I should have sent my message to the operator of the bot! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 14:52, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

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On the page Articles With Multiple Dablinks there is a option "Jump to link count". Unfortunately, that option is out of action for some time now. I guess, you did not notice/got notified about it.

Secondly, on the Dutch WP they once created a list of disambiguated pages not linked from a disambiguation page. It will have a rather rotten effect on the numbers as we have to create a lot of new disambiguation pages, but I think it will have a positive effect on the usability of Wikipedia. Readers can more quickly find the subject they really are looking for and the disambiguation-solvers have more options to link to. To my opinion, we better set up this sub-project now while the battle is still raging than later when everybody is thinking that we have won the war... <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 16:40, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
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 * True, not required. But very useful for our readers. And as far as I know, we are working for them.
 * When it is too scary, I agree with a once-off list in my workspace. Then I can work from there without bothering others. Unfortunately, I am unable to create such a list. I need help with that. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 11:38, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Proposal at the Template:Incoming links deletion discussion.
Can you set up a bot to remove Template:Incoming links from pages with fewer than some threshold number of incoming links? That would appear to assuage the concerns of at least one "delete" !voter. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:22, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Would a report be OK? That would be much, much simpler. -- Ja Ga  talk 18:25, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought we had a bot adding these templates in the first place, based on the number of incoming links to a page. Is that not so? bd2412  T 18:57, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Based on a quick check, it looks like 9 out of 10 of them were added by User:Boleyn. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:02, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The only bot-driven template is dablinks. -- Ja Ga  talk 19:03, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'll look into it and post a proposal at DPL soon. -- Ja Ga  talk 20:46, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks like there are 613 transclusions. The really surprising thing is that only two of these (Tipping point and Normalization) actually have 25 or more incoming links.  Probably half of the pages with transclusions have two or fewer!  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:17, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That is actually pretty bad, and not helpful. So exactly how hard would it be to do this? Perhaps we could correlate the list of pages transcluding this template with the daily list? bd2412  T 19:20, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * List is at User:R'n'B/incominglinksusage. I guess I could request approval for a bot to remove the template if the number of incoming links is less than X.  --R'n'B (call me Russ) 19:26, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Or I could give it a shot - probably not too hard if I adapt DPL bot's code. What if you offer the bot solution contingent on an agreement not to delete? -- Ja Ga  talk 19:36, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not even worried about that at the moment - it is unlikely that there will be a consensus to delete this template. However, I think it is indeed problematic to have this template on pages with only one or two incoming links, and that hand-checking this usage (or even hand-fixing it from a list) would needlessly consume a lot of time. bd2412  T 19:42, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * How about I take a look at it tonight, then? What would be a good threshold, 25? And of course, the burning question: should the bot tag disambigs exceeding the threshold as well? (If so, I would recommend a spread: tag at 30, remove at 25, something like that.) -- Ja Ga  talk 19:46, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I would agree with a spread. The numbers, I think, would be subject to community consideration at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links. I would be inclined to add at 20 and remove at 15, but that's just me. bd2412  T 19:55, 12 September 2012 (UTC)