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Deleted Account - User:Joseph A. Spadaro
Hello. I see that you deleted my User Page and my Talk Page about a week or so ago (from my account entitled User:Joseph A. Spadaro). May I ask why? I had a lot of stuff that I was working on and that I do not want to lose (in my Sandboxes and such). Please advise. Also ... this brief explanation will give you some background information on that account. Several months back, an administrator unilaterally decided to block my account. He and I had a difference of opinion (on a matter about which reasonable minds may differ). Nonetheless, he then told me that if I did not agree with his views, I would have a permanent ban. I was told (by others) that I could "appeal" this unilateral action. But, as of yet, I did not have the time to do so ... and I was not told of any time-frame / deadline within which I must do so. (You can look at my Talk Page, as it might fill you in on some of the details of this matter, if need be.) I have been intending to write up my "appeal", but I have not had the free time to do so, as of yet. And then, just today, I noticed that my account was deleted by you. Please advise on this matter. In particular ... is my account and all of my "info" lost for good ... or are they able to be restored? If so, how do I go about requesting such restoration of the account and its info? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro  (64.252.112.168 (talk) 21:43, 6 December 2009 (UTC))


 * It was deleted because you are blocked, if you want it back, you need to request an unblock-- Jac 16888 Talk 21:45, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * How do I get info from my User Page and Talk Page that I need in order to request the unblock? Thanks.   (64.252.112.168 (talk) 21:46, 6 December 2009 (UTC))


 * It should tell you what to do in your block message, log into the account and try editing, it will tell you what to do-- Jac 16888 Talk 21:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * When I attempted to "log in" ... there is no User Page or Talk Page to "log into" or see or read ... all I get is a sentence that says "this account was deleted". There is no block message.  Please advise.  Thanks.   (64.252.112.168 (talk) 21:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC))


 * Try editing an article. Alternatively just create the talk page using Template:Unblock-- Jac 16888 Talk 21:57, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * You are not understanding what I am asking you. In order for me to type up my unblock request, I need information from my User Page and my Talk Page.  Both of those pages do not exist.  I am not asking for the unblock template.  I am asking ... how do I access information from my User Page and Talk Page ... information that I need in order to prepare (type) my unblock request.  When I look at my User Page or Talk Page, there is simply a one-sentence statement that says "this page was deleted".  Please advise.  Thanks.   (64.252.112.168 (talk) 22:01, 6 December 2009 (UTC))


 * Thanks for not responding ... thanks for not helping me ... I sincerely hope that you are treated in kind when you need help and ask for it.  (64.252.115.254 (talk) 14:59, 11 December 2009 (UTC))
 * Sorry, totally forgot. You would have got a better response if you had just posted an unblock asking for your talk page restored, if you want I can restore it now-- Jac 16888 Talk 15:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This user posted an request via an IP; I have restored his user and talk pages and advised him to read the Guide to appealing blocks before posting an unblock request. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:27, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Lee Soo Young discography
I posted Classic (Lee Soo Young album) for translation, but I probably should have just done what you did! Thanks for taking the time to go through all the Lee Soo Young album articles and do the same. --Glenfarclas (talk) 23:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No worries. You had me worried for a second when I saw the heading, thought you'd come to shout at me for redirecting a bunch of useless articles-- Jac 16888 Talk 23:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, comrade. I'm an admin for an IT consultant, but i'm quite inexperienced in coding wikimarkup.
בינה תפארת (talk) 09:21, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. You could always use User:SoWhy/Header to make your own at User:בינה תפארת/Header, just get rid of the admin icon and change all the sowhys to בינה תפארת-- Jac 16888 Talk 09:23, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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Can i create a page for my Company
Hi I am trying to create a page for my company MVS Info Tech

Can i do that. I am not making it to advertise and all. I dont want somebody else to create a page like that, thats why i am doing so. WHat shall i do now. Can u help me to create a page ???

Also tell me how to upload the logo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 14vivin (talk • contribs) 06:44, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * In a nutshell, no, you can't. You say you're not trying to advertise, the page I deleted was a blatant advertisment. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place for you to promote yourself, we do not allow people to edit pages about subjects with which they are personally involved, as you have a clear conflict of interest. If your company is notable enough by our standards, then someone else will create it sooner or later, impartially-- Jac 16888 Talk 06:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

i am sorrry for the mistake happened. [mvs infotech] What i was trying is to learn editing wikipedia. thats why i just paste the page in the website directly here. sorry for the trouble. In case if u find it will be nice to create a page for the company please go ahead and do that. Thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.22.40 (talk) 07:03, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Burmese Article
Hi, please could you help me out and take a look at Computer University, Monywa and tell us if its worth keeping, its listed at WP:PNT, and we can't translate it, there are few burmese speakers. Thanks-- Jac 16888 Talk 09:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It's worth keeping although the article is quite bare. (Monywa is the largest city in northwestern Myanmar.) I copy-edited a bit. Hopefully, it's a bit more informative.Hybernator (talk) 17:22, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks-- Jac 16888 Talk 05:38, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions
Dear Jac, I would create a wikipedia article like the one created for Camfrog, do you know an editor able to do that? I ask you a kind help ... Many thanks Kindest Regards Stefano —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stebroz (talk • contribs) 10:38, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Make camvoice more notable. There are thousands of similar things, why does this one deserve an article?-- Jac 16888 Talk 10:48, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

nopCommerce
im interested to understand why you deleted nopCommerce on Oct. 23-2008?? im pretty sure its a new software package for ecommerce?

the program is now available on godaddy.com for users in their 1-click installs by defintion, wikipedia defines godaddy as

"Go Daddy is an Internet domain registrar and web hosting company that also sells e-business related software and services. In 2009, it reached more than 36 million domain names under management.[1] Go Daddy is currently the largest ICANN-accredited registrar in the world, and is three times the size of its closest competitor."

i mean if its the largest by 3x, and they offer nopCommerce, what right do you have to delete the content and keep any relevant information for those who are interested?

i wrote an email to the creators and they said something like "wikipedia says it advertising"??? how can a volunteer restrict pertinent information??????

tom weille tweille@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tweille (talk • contribs) 17:06, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * there are a lot of software packages out there, just because a notable site is selling one, doesn't make it notable. Besides, the article I deleted was clearly advertising, does "nopCommerce is the best Open Source online shop e-commerce solutions. nopCommerce is available for free. It has everything you need to get started in selling physical and digital goods over the internet." sound neutral to you. You are welcome to try and create an article about it yourself, provided you provide plenty of independent sources to verify its notability-- Jac 16888 Talk 17:32, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

thanks for letting me know their are a lot of software packages out there. and its open source, yes they do sell and supported version but you can download and install for free, just like magento. you could have deleted 90% of content instead of deleting the entire page letting none of us know about it. Just to let you know, there are only a handful of open source ecommerce packages, and most havent had an update in year's (plural). wikipedia lists 12; osCommerce updated 21months ago, zenCart 2years, and they are by far the most popular. what do you mean by independent sources to verify?? who are you...judge/jury and executioner? the software exists, its opensource, its ecommerce. the WORLDS LARGEST web hosting company GODADDY, number2 is 3x smaller, has ZenCart, osCommerce, nopCommerce, and [pinnacle cart cost$$]. stick to your other 11,999 edits, hopefully youve done better... u tool —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tweille (talk • contribs) 18:02, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Godaddy sells a lot of software, the fact that its the biggest doesn't make one of its products important. If nopCommerce is so good, go find some references to prove it and make the article yourself. You say I could have removed most of the content and left the rest, you don't even know what was in it. The entire article was the paragraph I quoted above and a list of features. So next time get all the facts before shooting your mouth off like a smartass-- Jac 16888 Talk 18:12, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

JAF3993
I understand, I already replied at User talk:Katerenka. (Another user suggested reverting the edit altogether, I just answered because it may have been a separate question.) I just don't understand why some users fail to understand what is clearly told to them.  fetch  comms  ☛ 21:04, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * In that case, it was a lack of having seen such things. Thank you for bringing that up to me.  fetch  comms  ☛ 22:00, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

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 * And again. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:49, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Sacred Heart Hospital (Scrubs)
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Deletion of Rabino Isaac Sacca
Hi, just wanted to clarify about That Bio, Rabino Isaac Sacca First, It's originally written in Spanish, Because of the main origin of the person we're talking about. Second, It's written in a neutral point of view. Every fact written is well known, or it can be demonstrated.

Please help me if you think something should have to be rewritten or changed. The article will be translated into English as soon as it's been accepted and polished.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iairsalem (talk • contribs) 23:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * First of all, it needs to be translated into English before you post it on wikipedia, work on it in a sandbox or something. Second, it was a copyright violation, you copied it direct from another website, http://www.rabinoisaacsacca.com/acerca-de-rabino-isaac-sacca/, which means we can't accept it. Even if you had translated it, it would still be a copyright violation-- Jac 16888 Talk 23:55, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about my mistake, I just wanted to post it on Wikipedia in Spanish. The content was from that site, shall the site include creative commons licence and that will be enough? I just want to make it right, to avoid facing a deletion in spanish too.

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iairsalem (talk • contribs) 14:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You're better off asking on the spanish wikipedia,, although really your best bet is to just use the article, and other sources to write a proper article rather than copying it-- Jac 16888 Talk 14:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

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Speedy Deletion of "Blogtronix"
why was my blogtronix page speedy deleted when pages exist for nearly identical companies such as socialtext and thoughtfarmer? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elimccargar (talk • contribs) 00:32, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFF-- Jac 16888 Talk 00:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

look that is complete nonsense you have to give me a good plain english reason why blogtronix should not be included in the encyclopedia when hundreds of other similar and certainly many less notable products are included. any product that is used in 75 countries should certainly be notable enough for inclusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elimccargar (talk • contribs) 19:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for fixing the AfD for Philadelphia Canoe Club. Twinkle messed it up the first time. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 00:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, piece of cake. Last time I tw'd an afd it did the whole thing except for adding it to the log-- Jac 16888 Talk 00:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Křesťanská akademie mladých
Article has been recreated I have added a speedy tag. BigDunc 15:16, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Cheers!
Thanks for fixing my talk page Archive, rookie error!Mcgrath50 (talk) 06:54, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

AfD discussion on ( List of ) Alumni, Principals and Teachers of The Rajkumar College,Rajkot- RKCians
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CSL Sofas
May I ask what was wrong with the page. Another editor said that it was a personal attack, but I saw no personal attack. I know that you've deleted this page before, so instead of keep deleting it, why not just improve it? Quiggers1P (talk) 21:31, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Merges and deletion
Woah! ( List of ) Alumni, Principals and Teachers of The Rajkumar College,Rajkot- RKCians cannot be deleted as a redirect, as material was merged to the main article (see WP:Merge and delete); the history is needed for attribution. We can move the redirect to a better title, e.g. Alumni of Rajkumar College. If it is recreated, we can protect the redirect. Fences &amp;  Windows  16:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I doubt it matters that much, the only real content merged was the little descriptions of each person,, all the main content was already there. Ah well, i've moved it to a better title-- Jac 16888 Talk 16:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of "Blogtronix"
i spent hours doing research and finding references, and looking at entries for similar companies, and there is no reason that there shouldnt be a wikipedia entry for Blogtronix. The company has several major clients, a new open source micro-blogging platform that is used in 75 countries, and is certainly more notable than a myriad of other collaboration and wiki products which are currently listed in the encyclopedia. There is a great deal of buzz about their offerings and just because it is not a large company does not mean it is not notable. The encyclopedia should be objective and thorough, and it is contradictory to the spirit of the project for you to delete entries with merit surpassing or similar to existing entries. The mere fact that there is a list of collaborative/wiki products means that you must allow the inclusion of Blogtronix in the encyclopedia, as it is a leading product in that area. If you are unwilling to engage in a reasonable discussion of this issue I would like you to direct me to a senior administrator or some sort of supervisor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elimccargar (talk • contribs) 21:30, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If you've found some valid reference and such, not just the companies website pages, then by all means recreate it, I won't delete it, although I can't guarantee no one else will-- Jac 16888 Talk 01:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

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Rlendog RfA
Hi Jac16888!

I was just wondering if you are still interested in nominating this user for adminship. For details, please see the relevant section of my talk page. decltype (talk) 11:18, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing my talk page for me. I guess I wasn't paying attention when i moved it.

Krj373 (talk) 21:09, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I tried to write an article, called "Digital Sculpture"
You (or some other self-appointed editor) deleted it. I wondered why, and how I could improve it, so I started a "talk page" about it. You deleted that, with no comment. I notice you proudly display a list with the number of things you've deleted, and some kind of medal that you get for doing that - congratulations. But for someone who happens to know something about a certain topic and wants to write an article for Wikipedia about it, this is not exactly encouraging. I don't believe the encyclopedia started out with this attitude, or it never would have gotten anywhere. But it seems to have become increasingly hidebound and rigid, run by insiders who seem to take a lot more pleasure in deletion than in completion. Should I just give up - is that the (unspoken) message here?

Awerby (talk) 22:23, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Your article was deleted (By another "self-appointed editor") because it was entirely your own work, reading much like an essay or thesis - this is not wikipedia is about, its an encyclopedia, not a scientific journal. Articles need to be verified and supported by 3rd party references. If you try being a bit politer, you might find people more willing to help, rather than assuming we're all out to get you-- Jac 16888 Talk 11:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also I see that several people already replied to your query when you asked here-- Jac 16888 Talk 11:28, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

ToxicWasteGrounds
Hi Jac. ToxicWasteGrounds seems to be completely out of control. There are two reasons why I contact you about it:
 * 1) He has initiated a rather weird looking sockpuppet investigation against you, but I see no trace of you having been notified about it.
 * 2) He created this user page for a new user.  I'm not really familiar with Indian languages, but I ran it through Google Translate, tentatively setting the language to Hindi, and got this rather offensive result.  I know you do a lot of work on WP:PNT, so I guess you'll have a more informed opinion of this than I.

From the editor's various remarks it looks like he has rather serious problems. What do you think is the proper way to proceed? Best regards, Favonian (talk) 00:02, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Noted, thanks for telling me. I think I'll keep any eye on him-- Jac 16888 Talk 11:19, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

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Arrogant, much
That gave me a big old laugh !!! Pedro : Chat  21:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it :)-- Jac 16888 Talk 21:25, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Drama?
Hi, Jac; I just wanted to let you know, I'm a little hurt that you not only believe, but publicly imply I'm only looking for drama. I would hope you could tell from my record that I'm a productive editor who acts in good faith, with the encyclopedia's best interests at heart... ╟─ Treasury Tag ► duumvirate ─╢ 21:15, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware of your contributions and did not mean to cause offence, but you have to realise that MC10 is a productive editor who also acts in good faith, yet you dragged this non-issue to ANI and MFD before you even approached him, which could easily implying drama-mongering. However I am sorry I've offended you, I guess I didn't aagf-- Jac 16888 Talk 21:25, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough :) ╟─ Treasury Tag ► First Secretary of State ─╢ 21:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Spark talk page.
That game talk page you just deleted, could you copy that talk conversation to my talk page so I can have it in my archive log thanks. Govvy (talk) 12:49, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅-- Jac 16888 Talk 14:44, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

RfA
I just saw that my RfA was closed successfully. Thank you for the trust you placed in me by nominating me. I will do my best to live up to your expectations. Now a question. I haven't participated in many RfAs in the past, but it seems like there is a tradition of placing a thank you box on the talk pages of people who participated. Is there a template that gets used for this, or would I have to create my own box? Or do you think a short note would suffice? Rlendog (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you will. When it comes to thank you notes, its really up to you whether or not you give them out, I don't think anybody will complain if youou don't. If you decide to do it, then you could try looking through the talk pages of people who !voted, some of them are bound to be regulars at rfa and there will be templated you can use, but a short note would do the job just fine too, I think I just left a short note for most people. Its really up to you-- Jac 16888 Talk 13:53, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Recognized...again
Thanks for deleting those pages! I even intentionally chose not to warn those trolls. This isn't the first time I've been targeted... :-) Schfifty  3  22:29, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. Its a sign you're doing something right. If the title bothers you, at all you can report it to oversight, if they're feeling generous they might hide it, although you could take it as an honour, i'm quite happy Jac16888 AKA The Wimp and Jac16888-- Jac 16888 Talk 22:32, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Saw VI
Given that the user has threatened to hop to another PC and has tried evading the block once, would a week's semi-protection be out of the question? To save us all the trouble of non-stop rollbacks. Darrenhusted (talk) 01:24, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hes no major threat, and if his worst weapon is going and using someone else's pc we don't need to worry. I'm not going to protect preemptively from one sock, let me know if theres another one and I'll protect it then-- Jac 16888 Talk 01:27, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Mnozil
Oops, sorry, please see Pages_needing_translation_into_English - I'm an idiot. Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * no worries-- Jac 16888 Talk 18:12, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have removed the tag in question. Should I now remove the discussion from the project page too? Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. I've removed the discussion-- Jac 16888 Talk 23:37, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Best wishes, DBaK (talk) 08:40, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

User
The User requires spelling proofreading of an expert in English. Rationale: Phrase of article:Wikipedia:Translation. Section:How to translate - Once you have finished translating, you may ask a proofreader to check the translation. Is urgent!!!. OBS: Is about the article Hebe Camargo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.22.207.237 (talk) 18:20, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * What?-- Jac 16888 Talk 18:22, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

User:Mrmakemakkara
Hi Jac! I was wondering, since the above-captioned user only ever inputs the same string, namely f-16 falcon pilot markku ensio pekkala israel air force, or some variation thereof, including on his own talk page, would it be appropriate to elevate his indefinite block to include talk page access, including his own. &larr; Gee, that’s a long sentence! Thanks! —  Spike Toronto  20:32, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Oops, meant to delete that page actually. Probably not necessary, although the guy is a bit of a nuisance, there is also User talk:Makemakkara, and both accounts have made a lot of the same edits cross wiki, he's blocked on several.-- Jac 16888 Talk 20:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi guys. Don't know if you've already noticed, but it looks like this Finnish-speaking vandal continues as an anonymous IP:  .  Has been blocked once, but perseveres.  Favonian (talk) 20:41, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I wasn't, but thanks for the note, I've blocked that IP for a month.-- Jac 16888 Talk 20:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your swift response! I only asked because I am trying to delineate the times when a user is not only blocked, but has talk page access blocked including, perhaps, access to his own. I started thinking about this when I saw you take away such access from Newlifeinlondon — and his alter ego Newlifeinrome, although that latter wasn’t effected by you — for abusing the privilege. As for Mrmakemakkara/Makemakkara, at the risk of being politically incorrect, it’s as if he has Tourette’s of the keyboard, eh? —  Spike Toronto  20:54, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you think an autoblock would do the trick? Assuming he uses the same site for his connections? Thanks! —  Spike Toronto  20:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Probably not, otherwise he would have been autoblocked when i blocked the account. Hopefully that IP is his home one, since he also used it in november after i blocked his first account, if it then it should stop him for a while-- Jac 16888 Talk 20:59, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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Pygmy goats
Hello, I now have an account. I genuinely don't understand why I can't post my website in the "external links" section on the pygmy goat article. I've had people clicking through from Wikipedia and have been having a look around. As you can see on the website, there are no adverts as I do not make any money from it. I simply want to share my website with others. I thought the point of Wikipedia was to share information? Also the fact it's hosted on a fansite does not make it a fansite itself. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henryandjoey (talk • contribs) 19:52, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

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Inappropriate summary
Hi Jac, I'd like to suggest to you that the edit summary for your deletion of Mbz1's user page was inappropriate,. Mila is a very long term contributor with dozens of featured pictures to her name and has been an asset to the project more often than not. She overreacted to the "accusations" made (as she saw them), but that does not warrant your response, which, regardless of Mbz1's provocation, is negative and unprofessional. Would you please consider undoing your deletion and trying it again with something more civil? Regards,  Mae din \talk 17:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I won't. What Mbz1 did was despicable, or are you not aware that she threatened to commit suicide if her talk page wasn't deleted? Good riddance as far as I'm concerned-- Jac 16888 Talk 19:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was aware, and no, I don't think what she did should have had that affect on your response and behaviour as an administrator. You needn't have stooped alongside her just because you found her actions despicable.  However, it isn't worth arguing about.  Thank you for replying.   Mae din \talk 19:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, Jac16888, I have greatly overreacted over the cruelty and unfairness of my inquisitors and accusers yesterday, and I am sorry for that, but what is really despicable here it is your edit summary. You are heartless, merciless robot, who always is doing no, not even what is the right thing to do, but what you consider the right thing to do in your sick mind. If your edit summary and response to Maedin message were intended to hurt me even more that I have been hurt already, I believe you will be glad to find out that you succeed. I'd like to wish you never to experience what I have last night.  Thank you, Maedin, it was kind of you what you wrote.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not intend to hurt you, but I will not lose sleep if I did so. I meant it, I think you should leave wikipedia and not come back. You're the one who is sick, comments like the one you made are beyond despicable regardless the circumstances, what you experienced last night was misunderstanding which you blew out of proportion. What you did was pathetic -- Jac 16888 Talk 22:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Pot, meet kettle. I disagree with Maedin; I think this is worth arguing about. I don't know why you felt the need to delete Mbz1's user page. Perhaps that doesn't matter. But I see your edit summary as a gratuitous extension of the taunting and bullying she suffered yesterday, and a clear abuse of admin tools. I think you should not only undo it, but also apologise . -- Avenue (talk) 23:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I deleted the page because she requested it. I saw no taunting or bullying yesterday, and my viewpoint was that of a user who wasn't getting what she wanted, so she threatened suicide. As far as I'm concerned that is the lowest of the low, a truly despicable thing to say. I think I'm well justified to be angry and can assure you wholeheartedly that I will not be apologising.-- Jac 16888 Talk 23:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * There is the problem, I think. You felt angry, and you acted as an admin without achieving adequate emotional distance from the situation. Does that not trouble you? -- Avenue (talk) 00:16, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I should not have made the summary, but I see no reason to discuss it. I meant what I said, and will not apologise. -- Jac 16888 Talk 00:27, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for acknowledging that your summary may not have been ideal. The reason I feel we should discuss it is that when you act in an admin role, you are in some sense a representative of Wikipedia as a whole. While I'm sure you meant it sincerely, I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one who would disagree with the sentiment, and I don't think it is appropriate to leave it as it is. -- Avenue (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * PS I have struck my call for an apology above. Although I still think your summary was ill considered, you were acting in good faith and had good reasons for feeling strongly about the threat. -- Avenue (talk) 01:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You probably should try to show more sensitivity going forward, if at all possible. Even if provoked. It would be greatly appreciated. 72.60.255.196 (talk) 01:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm confused - who was that directed to? -- Avenue (talk) 01:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

(intended) Everybody, please accept my apology for what I've said last night. I felt really, really bad, and I still am, but I realize I should not have brought my problems to the Community, but tried to deal with them on my own. I was harassed and bullied by banned user as well as by admins for the whole day yesterday for nothing. They run cu on me against the users, who requested CU on me in the first place. In other words they believed that my sock requested CU on me. Am I the only one, who sees something wrong here? They said I was Israelbeach, who is a native English speaker. Am I writing as a native English speaker? They compared the style of the articles I once edited, and that were edited and reedited by other users to correct me to my own style on AN/I, and said that me is not me, and so on, and so on... If it is not a harassment I am not sure what is. I do not know why I asked to delete my user pages, but when I did, and was refused, it was like the last drop (I am afraid I am hard to understand) Anyway... Jac16888, I am fine with your edit summary, live it on, who cares. On the one hand I deserved it, on the other it helped me to get to know Maedin and Avenue better, and I am very glad I got to know them better, most of all Maedin. I had some problems with her in the past, and now I see how kind and how understanding she is. Understanding really matters. Jac16888, I'd like to ask you to be kinder. It will help not only those, who are around you, but yourself too. Trust me, I know. Otherwise I am afraid your conduct was not any better than mine was. In a meantime, I would like to ask you to restore the history on my talk page with any edit summary you find appropriate, and unprotected it. It was silly of me to ask for it to be deleted in the first place, and I really would not like anybody to be angry with me because of that, and because my suicide note. I probably should not have asked to be unblocked, but I will try do my very best to stay away from Wikipedia from now on, just please do not be angry with me, try to understand me instead, please...--Mbz1 (talk) 01:42, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Mbz1, I am a kind person, and I find you lecturing me about kindness to be the height of arrogance, considering what you did to me the other night was extremely cruel. Can you imagine spending a night in anguish, thinking your comments have led to someone taking their own life? Please do not edit on my talk page again, it is for editors, since you're retired that doesn't include you-- Jac 16888 Talk 11:30, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, either retire or don't, Mbz1. If you want the black templates up, then leave. If you plan to stick around and relive this experience a few dozen more times, have the courtesy to un-retire. Tan   &#124;   39  14:13, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Jacasses. Unfortunately Mbz1 is not strong enough to laugh at so much stupidity. If I were her I would continue editing Wikipedia as usual, in whatever article pleases me. No matter who says I am sockpuppet or not and I would keep the nice list of the story in my User-page in the faces of those who participated. I wouldn't post the suicide thing either since that is like a gift for those who are playing to be strong in the safety of the back of a keyboard.  franklin   14:46, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Please excuse me for joining this discussion--I just wanted to say that although I haven't interacted with you previously Mbz1, I have noticed and admired your work on Wikipedia--in particular your fantastic photography and also a particularly kind and civil conversation you had with a new user. I just read your summary of the events the other day, and I'm really sorry that such a distressing series of events happened.  Obviously it's unfortunate that you, who have contributed a lot to this encyclopedia and had people around the world enjoying your photos ond other work through wikipedia, were dragged through this painful incident, and I really regret this.  Please, don't let yourself be upset by comments made by other users on Wikipedia.  A lot of comments made by people were and continue to be hurtful and insulting, but I hope that you won't allow that to hurt you more!  See, the volunteers on Wikipedia are just random people.  Some of them have good judgement.  Some of them don't.  Some of them are kind.  Some of them aren't.  Some of them are twelve year old kids. Someone being an "admin" doesn't mean that this person is wise or kind or older than twelve or represents Wikipedia or anything else--it just means that they're experienced with the encyclopedia and have volunteered a lot of their time helping with it constructively over the years.  The amazing thing to me about Wikipedia is not that random volunteers sometimes act like angry mastodons, but the fact that the whole encyclopedia works at all and that so many people around the world enjoy it and benefit from it! And, by the way, based on private communications with User:Jac, I think he really was terrified by your note.  I came to the conversation on ANI after the note had already been posted that evening, and it terrified me also. I think you are a talented and kind person, and I hope you take good care of yourself! Best wishes, CordeliaNaismith (talk) 15:01, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for joining in, with such a positive and mature message. -- Avenue (talk) 15:17, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Ditto, Cordelia said it much better than I could. And approve of her reinstatement of Mbz1's user page following Tan's deletion (calling it a "rant" with personal attacks in it, ironically).   Mae din \talk 15:35, 27 January 2010 (UTC)