User talk:Jace-Michael

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Happy editing! Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:31, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

November 2023
Hello, I'm Chiswick Chap. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Arwen, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:48, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Frodo Baggins, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Um, I've left polite and informative notes above for you: these are requesting a change in your editing, as you may not have been aware before that you are required to say where you got your information from. If English is not your first language, do let me know and I'll try to explain with the help of Google translate if it's not French or another language I can speak. You can't go on editing Wikipedia articles without the correct information being supplied, it won't work. This is now urgent! Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Pippin Took, you may be blocked from editing. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced or poorly sourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Boromir. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Treebeard, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. ''What are you doing? I've explained the need for citations, I've issued warnings, I've reverted your edits, and still you plough on. You are heading for a permanent block if you won't discuss or listen to anything.'' Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:08, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Oops! I have only just recently seen your messages and I sincerely apologize. I was honestly ignorant of any notifications. I CAN provide citations, however. I did actually try to cite a source. Specifically, it was a book and when I clicked "cite" it did not add it on the article. Perhaps I did not provide enough information? But the book itself didn't appear to provide all the information needed to fill out on the template, and the template itself was confusing. Could you provide any information? Thank you, and I apologize again for any distress I caused. I meant nothing malevolently towards you. Jace-Michael (talk) 20:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, I don't have any sound to signal notifications. I also don't think anything I've done really is vandalization, since it was done in good faith and in no way an attempt to destroy an article. I do see how this situation could appear as vandalization, but considering my lack of knowledge I don't think it can really count as such. Thank you for sending the messages though! I recognize your desire to help and apologize for not reading any notifications sooner. Sorry for any potential time wasted, distress, and confusion I caused. If you could provide guidelines that I could use in the future, I would appreciate it. Further note: I actually didn't know information had to be cited at all, which was my first problem. I am actually only now reading your comments and I appreciate the insight! I'm still learning and I wish I had seen them sooner. Jace-Michael (talk) 22:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As I read more about editing, I see some of the information I added, albeit factual, probably doesn't come from the type of source that is acceptable here. I totally understand and apologize for not reading sooner! However, some of the information does, and I think it's be a good idea to change/add that information to improve the article, with appropriate citations. Would it be acceptable for me to restore some of that information that comes from reliable sources with the appropriate citations? Jace-Michael (talk) 22:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, thankyou. I'm glad to see you are now open to discussion, so I'll assume good faith and will expect a prompt response from now on. You are not accused of vandalism; the initial issue was adding uncited material (a nuisance, reducing the quality of the articles concerned) and the more serious issue was the apparent refusal to discuss, now happily resolved.


 * The critical "guideline" (mandatory policy) is WP:V on Verifiability. This says that all additions to articles must be fully cited to reliable sources (yes, that's a core policy too). I suggest you start with that and ensure you do not add anything to any article without citing a suitable source.


 * Whether the Berkshire production is significant enough to justify adding it to the cast list is a moot point; I'd say the production is (just about) worth the one-line mention it gets in the "Later productions" subsection, but no more; if an amateur or university drama group puts it on, I'd say we'd not mention that at all as not notable. My personal opinion is that we should not have Berkshire in the cast list as too minor: only the Windmill itself actually bothers to provide the list. Basically, this article is over-egging the pudding (as we Brits say): this was a disastrously bad adaptation, and if the scaled-down version isn't quite as bad, that still doesn't justify splash coverage. Nor in my view does the musical's reception justify adding mentions to all the Tolkien characters: it just isn't significant. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)