User talk:JackNassar

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Please stop. If you continue to add promotional material to Wikipedia, you will be blocked from editing. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:37, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

the source u provided was published in 2008 and the one i provided was published in 2009. so lets use the last published one--JackNassar 14:35, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

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Here you go:

Rawabi (Arabic: روابي) ("The Hills" in Arabic) is the first Palestinian city to be built in accordance with a Masterplan. The Rawabi Masterplan was developed by the planners, architects, and engineers from international firms, working with local experts from Birzeit and An-Najah Universities and the technical teams of Bayti and Qatari Diar. The Masterplan has been approved by Palestinian Authority.

Location & City Limits:

Rawabi is 9 km north of Ramallah and 3.5 km from Birzeit. Rawabi is 20 km to the north of Jerusalem and 25 km south of Nablus. Looking west from the hilltops of Rawabi, one has a panoramic view of the Mediterranean coast. The Jordanian capital, Amman, is 70 kilometers to the east of Rawabi.

Rawabi’s municipal boundaries encompass 6,300,000 square meters of land, all of which is located in areas under Palestinian Authority jurisdiction – predominantly in the area designated by the Oslo agreement as (A). 2.8 km of the main regional access road from Ramallah to Rawabi will fall in Area (C), which is under Israeli control.

Population

Rawabi’s residential units will initially be home to 25,000 residents. Additional residential and commercial units slated for subsequent construction phases will ultimately serve a city with a population of 40,000.

Residential Neighborhoods and City Center Bayti will build more than 5,000 affordable units, spread across 22 neighborhoods. The residential areas will surround a city center that includes retail space, professional offices, banks, a hotel, restaurants, Mosques, Church, and a movie theater – in addition to medical clinics.

Economic Impact


 * Rawabi is the largest private sector project in Palestinian history.


 * Job creation:
 * 8,000-10,000 jobs will be created during the construction period for skilled and semi-skilled laborers, with an initial 1,500 jobs to be created by early 2010.
 * 3,000-5,000 permanent jobs will be created in the city with a focus on financial, insurance, ICT and ICT-related industries.


 * Rawabi will be the hub of a technology-focused knowledge economy through the development of an Economic Growth Strategy (EGS) that identifies ICT, ICT-enabled and engineering as target sectors for Rawabi’s business development and economic growth as a means to capitalize on the highly qualified but underemployed local workforce. The Rawabi team enlisted the cooperation of Research Triangle Institute’s RTI International in this effort.


 * Rawabi will result in an unprecedented revitalization of the Palestinian construction industry.


 * Rawabi will give a major boost to local manufacturers.


 * Rawabi’s infrastructure and public facilities will benefit not only Rawabi but also the 9 neighboring towns and villages.

Cost

The cost of the project is estimated to be well above $500 million.

Investors:

Bayti Real Estate Investment Company, the developer of Rawabi, is jointly owned by Qatari government-owned Qatari Diar (www.qataridiar.com) and Ramallah-based Massar International (www.massar.com). Through Bayti, these two anchor investors plan to develop the first Palestinian planned city, Rawabi. --JackNassar 13:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Can I suggest that you copy the above to a new page at User:JackNassar/Rawabi, which would make it easier to add references and to see how the article would look to a reader? Cordless Larry (talk) 14:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all ur help and efforts. But I am having a hardtime adding it to the provided link (it's either not working or I do not know how to do it) please excause my ignorance. Your help and input will be much appreciated. Thanks again.--JackNassar 15:19, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The page doesn't exist yet so when you click on the link it invites you to start a new page. Just add the text to the editing window as you would when editing any other article and it will be created. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Cordless Larry, I've been trying for the past week to open the link that you gave me User:JackNassar/Rawabi and it is not opening, as my IT colleague told me that it's blocked from your server.

here is my email: nassar2005@gmail.com, and I will send you the material with the references. Please let's get it done with ASAP. Thanks--JackNassar 14:32, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see what my server has to do with it. If you can edit this page, you should be able to edit User:JackNassar/Rawabi. I'm going to start it for you, which may help. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for all your help, much appreciated. But still, for some reason keeps not working, I do not know what is wrong with it. Anyways, please find below the text and the references that I would like to add (will re-design it later, lets first agree on the text):

Rawabi (Arabic: (روابي "The Hills" in Arabic is the first Palestinian city to be built in accordance with a Masterplan. The Rawabi Masterplan was developed by the planners, architects, and engineers from international firms, working with local experts from Birzeit and An-Najah National Universities and the technical teams of Bayti and Qatari Diar. The Masterplan has been approved by Palestinian Authority. http://www.rawabi.ps/masterplan.php?link=1&page=live

Location & City Limits Rawabi is 9 km north of Ramallah, 3.5 km from Birzeit, and 20 km to the north of Jerusalem and 25 km south of Nablus. Looking west from the hilltops of Rawabi, one has a panoramic view of the Mediterranean coast. The Jordanian capital, Amman, is 70 kilometers to the east of Rawabi. Rawabi’s municipal boundaries encompass 6,300,000 square meters of land, all of which is located in areas under Palestinian Authority jurisdiction – predominantly in the area designated by the Oslo agreement as (A). 2.8 km of the main regional access road from Ramallah to Rawabi will fall in Area (C), which is under Israeli control. http://www.rawabi.ps/press_show.php?id=6&page=no

Population Rawabi’s residential units will initially be home to 25,000 residents. Additional residential and commercial units slated for subsequent construction phases will ultimately serve a city with a population of 40,000. http://www.rawabi.ps/live.php?link=0&page=live

Residential Neighborhoods and City Center Bayti will build more than 5,000 affordable units, spread across 22 neighborhoods. The residential areas will surround a city center that includes retail space, professional offices, banks, a hotel, restaurants, Mosques, Church, and a movie theater – in addition to medical clinics. http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/GEE5B2182.htm

Economic Impact •	Rawabi is the largest private sector project in Palestinian history. •	Job creation: o	8,000-10,000 jobs will be created during the construction period for skilled and semi-skilled laborers, with an initial 1,500 jobs to be created by early 2010. o	3,000-5,000 permanent jobs will be created in the city with a focus on financial, insurance, ICT and ICT-related industries. •	Rawabi will be the hub of a technology-focused knowledge economy through the development of an Economic Growth Strategy (EGS) that identifies ICT, ICT-enabled and engineering as target sectors for Rawabi’s business development and economic growth as a means to capitalize on the highly qualified but underemployed local workforce. The Rawabi team enlisted the cooperation of Research Triangle Institute’s RTI International in this effort. •	Rawabi will result in an unprecedented revitalization of the Palestinian construction industry. •	Rawabi will give a major boost to local manufacturers. •	Rawabi’s infrastructure and public facilities will benefit not only Rawabi but also the 9 neighboring towns and villages. http://www.rawabi.ps/economic.php?link=1&page=work

Cost The cost of the project is estimated to be well above $500 million. http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091103/BUSINESS/711039991/1005/NATIONAL

Investors Bayti Real Estate Investment Company, the developer of Rawabi, is jointly owned by Qatari government-owned Qatari Diar (www.qataridiar.com) and Ramallah-based Massar International (www.massar.com). Through Bayti, these two anchor investors plan to develop the first Palestinian planned city, Rawabi. http://www.rawabi.ps/press_show.php?id=10&page=no --JackNassar 13:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Firstly, that is still written in a promotional style. It is also unclear what it adds to the current version of the article, which covers much of the same material but is written is a more neutral style. Your version includes more detail, but the sources you provide don't appear to back it all up. The AlertNet article, for instance, mentions nothing of mosques, cinemas, etc. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

the information i provided is more detailed and has more accurate facts, lets first add the details and what u see is suitable, and then we will take it from there. thx. --JackNassar 09:20, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could list the details that are not already in the article. Then we can just add them rather than having to rewrite it from scratch. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Rawabi is 9 km north of Ramallah and 3.5 km from Birzeit. Rawabi is 20 km to the north of Jerusalem and 25 km south of Nablus. Looking west from the hilltops of Rawabi, one has a panoramic view of the Mediterranean coast. The Jordanian capital, Amman, is 70 kilometers to the east of Rawabi. Rawabi’s municipal boundaries encompass 6,300,000 square meters of land, all of which is located in areas under Palestinian Authority jurisdiction – predominantly in the area designated by the Oslo agreement as (A). 2.8 km of the main regional access road from Ramallah to Rawabi will fall in Area (C), which is under Israeli control.--JackNassar 10:26, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, that's all? Do you have references for that? Cordless Larry (talk) 10:33, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

No, there is more. I wanna do it step by step, in order to avoid any "promotional" style. will send u more later, as soon as we get done with this part. thx.

here are FOUR references: http://www.rawabi.ps/maps.php?link=1&page=no & http://www.rawabi.ps/press_show.php?id=6&page=no & http://www.palestine-pmc.com/details.asp?cat=6&id=322 & http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/printArticle.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=331272&version=1&template_id=36&parent_id=16

--JackNassar 13:59, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I need to know which references support which statements though, which is why I had suggested using User:JackNassar/Rawabi because then we could have mocked up a page, rather than trying to use your talk page. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I've been trying to use that page, but it does not show the "edit" link and does not open.... pls try adding some info to it, maybe then i can get access, edit it and add the whole thing--JackNassar 14:51, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I added some text there but it obviously hasn't helped. What exactly do you get when you click the link? You could also try going straight to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:JackNassar/Rawabi&action=edit, which is the URL to edit the page. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:04, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

a blank page appears, and then a small window pops up asking to download the file, its name: index (10).php ! i click on the open link and open it... it disappears and then it appears back again! --JackNassar 15:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Very odd! I guess you should just continue here then, or try User:Cordless Larry/Rawabi. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:31, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

yeah that's weird! i tried ur page but it keeps doing the same thing! i guess i have no other option than continuing here! --JackNassar 16:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

please add it in order to move to the second step:

Rawabi is the first Palestinian city to be built in accordance with a Masterplan. The Rawabi Masterplan was developed by the planners, architects, and engineers from international firms, working with local experts from Birzeit and An-Najah National Universities and the technical teams of Bayti and Qatari Diar. The Masterplan has been approved by Palestinian Authority.

http://www.rawabi.ps/masterplan.php?link=1&page=live

and

https://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?storyid=1093287839

--JackNassar 08:45, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

hey Larry, Happy new year!--JackNassar 08:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

shall we move to the next phase?--JackNassar 08:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The article already noted that Rawabi will be the first Palestinian city build to a plan, but I have added the rest of the material. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:34, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

can we also add: (more details about the location) Rawabi is 9 km north of Ramallah and 3.5 km from Birzeit. Rawabi is 20 km to the north of Jerusalem and 25 km south of Nablus. Looking west from the hilltops of Rawabi, one has a panoramic view of the Mediterranean coast. The Jordanian capital, Amman, is 70 kilometers to the east of Rawabi. Rawabi’s municipal boundaries encompass 6,300,000 square meters of land.

thank you--JackNassar 08:35, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The article now includes the co-ordinates of Rawabi's location so I don't think that the distances to other places are necessary. I don't think other city articles on Wikipedia include such distances either. I will add the area statistic. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * What is the source for the area statistic? Cordless Larry (talk) 10:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

here you go: http://www.aiany.org/eOCULUS/newsletter/index.php?s=croxton — Preceding unsigned comment added by JackNassar (talk • contribs) 10:50, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem is that this source gives a different figure of 100 hectares. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

the last 2 lines "When the master plan has been fully implemented, Rawabi will cover an area of 6,300,000 square meters."

--JackNassar 13:06, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see that but my point is that this source gives a very different figure so how are we to judge which is correct? Cordless Larry (talk) 14:00, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

the source u provided was published in 2008 and the one i provided was published 6 months ago. so lets use the last published --JackNassar 14:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that we seem to be adding material to the article rather than rewriting it, could you add it yourself? There are now plenty examples of references in the article so I'm sure you can cite that source. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:44, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but i wanna stay on the safe side and do not wanna be accused of promotion or any of that sort, i wanna keep it professional, and i believe that u r the best one who can do it. ur help is much appreciated. thx a million--JackNassar 10:37, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello, please find below some articles published about Rawabi in the past few days, please add to Rawabi's page whatever you find appropriate. Thanks!

How Israel put the brakes on another Palestinian dream January 16, 2010 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/how-israel-put-the-brakes-on-another-palestinian-dream-1869535.html

Rawabi is building dreams brick by brick By Wafa Amr January 16, 2010 http://gulfnews.com/news/region/palestinian-territories/rawabi-is-building-dreams-brick-by-brick-1.568687

The Washington Post – DC, US http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/12/AR2010011200495.html

--JackNassar 14:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Editing content related to the Arab-Israeli dispute
Hi Jack, I notice that you are interested in material falling under the general topic of the Arab-Israeli dispute. I don't expect you to be surprised if I tell you that this is an area of content that generates a lot of arguments between Wikipedia editors. Indeed a fair number of people on both sides of the dispute end up being blocked from editing or banned from contributing to this area of content.

There is a WP:Wikiproject WP:IPCOLL which has been created to encourage a more collaborative style fo working on the Israeli-Palestinian and related disputes. You're welcome to have a look at the project page and the sort of commitments some people make. Even if you decide not to join the project, then one of the other talk page is a good place to go if you want other people to have a look at a disagreement about content related to the Arab-Israeli dispute.

Other projects cover this area of content too. WP:Israel and WP:Palestine concern themselves with material realted to the appropriate nation. Obviously, they tend to attract people with rather different points of view. You might consider joining WP:Palestine as a place where you can get suggestions from more experienced contributors who could well be sympathetic to the improvements you want to make. WP:MILHIST also covers themore war-like elements of the dispute.

I think you might also find it useful to look at some of the material linked from the Welcome message that was first posted to this page. Wikipedians often quote policy at each other when disputes occur. If you are familiar with relevant policies such as WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:RS, WP:NPA, WP:AGF etc., then you'll know what people are goign on about when they quote a load of abbreviations at you. You'll also be able to tell when they are misquoting policy, which sometimes happens.--Peter cohen (talk) 21:25, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Peter, Wikipedia should be objective and not biased! You can not call the Israeli militia, Israeli Defense Forces when they are out of their borders and in a foreign country!!! When they are within the Israeli borders, you can cal them IDF, BUT when they are out of the Israeli borders, and in an occupied land, you MUST call them Israeli Occupation Forces, IOF!

Second, why do you keep removing the world Palestine? Palestine is a country! and has been called Palestine since ever, even the British empire called its occupation of Palestine, the British mandate of Palestine! nonetheless, it was declared an independent state again in 1988 in Tunis!

The Israeli occupation forces bombed and demolished the church in Abud as a collective punishment to the Christian community of Abud and Palestine in general for participating in demonstrations against land confiscation.

Then it is called Apartheid wall, not a fence or a barrier! It's not a fence!!! It's an Apartheid wall that separates people from one other on national/ethnicity basis!

you build a fence, small short one, on your land, not a long tall one on a confiscated and stolen land!

it's a shame you wikipedia is not being objective and biased! we do not trust you anymore and you are definitely not a reliable source! --JackNassar (talk) 07:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I reverted your contribution again, as it removed content without explanation. Please explain your content removal in an edit summary. Thanks. Minimac's Clone  ( Vandalise here ) 07:41, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Because its lies and fabrications and has NO truth in it!! or do you just like to spread lies?--JackNassar (talk) 07:47, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

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