User talk:Jack O'Lantern/Archive2

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Hello
Hi Jack O. I got your message? What got you so hostile towards wikipedia? If it wasn't you who wrote it then somebody is pretending to be you. Did you write to me? Well, Cya! TripleH1976 12:54am., 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I didn't write to you. The guy who wrote to you just doesn't know how to use tabs properly, so his message was bunched up with my old message. Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern 07:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

FYI
Seems an old friend is trying again:. She really, really wants to be listed as "Girl at court" in Marie-Antoinette, among other things. Fan1967 02:53, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't forget "Girl on dock" in Pirates of the Caribbean 2. Not to mention "Daughter" in Click. Fan1967 03:00, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently she's given up on trying to claim she's in Pirates of The Caribbean 2, so now she's adding herself to Pirates 3. Fan1967 01:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Americans of xxx descent
I'd go ahead with it for the rest, but not for Jewish Americans. Arniep 21:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Jewish American is really a different case as people don't usually identify as Jewish American unless at least one of their parents were Jewish, so it's not really equivalent to other xxx Americans who may identify as such due to a much further ancestral connection. Arniep 21:15, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, well I think still it might be best to leave the list as a special case as people get upset with the idea of making lists of people with Jewish ancestry. Arniep 21:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

List of Irish Americans
I added some comments to your list on the talk page. But really, some of those you question are so obviously Irish. 75.3.4.54 03:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

List of Irish-Americans
Can you please move the list back to List of Irish-Americans and please leave the page there until the change is made for all ethnic groups.

Also, the list should remove distant ancestry and just be for U.S. citizens born in Ireland, of 100% Irish heritage, signficant Irish heritage, or identify as Irish-American. 75.3.4.54

List of Irish-Americans
Also, please don't remove anyone from the list just because you've never heard of them. You removed people who are very well known for being Irish, which you could have easily figured out if you just did a google search. 75.3.4.54

List of African-Americans
No sources are provided at the List of African-Americans, you said it was required for all lists. 75.3.4.54 21:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Double Standard
A person just needs to have black skin to make the List of African-Americans, no source is needed, but if a person has an Irish name, looks Irish, is Catholic, comes from an Irish area, they are not allowed to be put on the List of Irish-Americans. 75.3.4.54 23:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

In the meantime
Do you think it would be so bad to move the Irish list back in the meantime? 75.3.4.54 00:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

List of Greek Americans
Hi Jack. I suspect the user that is arguing with you at this page is a sockpuppet of banned user Zephram Stark (he has stalked my edits in the past). He enjoys filling up talk pages with pointless argumentation. I've asked an admin with CheckUser access to check to make sure. If it's him, I'd like to just delete his edits from this page. Just wanted to give you a heads up. --JW1805 (Talk) 00:25, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me translate that for you. JW1805 is saying that you are not allowed to engage in discussion with me or you will be punished. He has assured you that I will be punished for talking about things that are not to be discussed, and he is giving you fair warning that you will be next if you take to heart anything I say. That feeling of stress that is probably building in your chest right now is a competition between fear of the threat that JW1805 implied and your desire to be a productive member of Wikipedia. You want so much to acknowledge both, but giving in to fear preempts any creative contributions on your part. I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I speak from experience when I say that choosing freedom makes people a whole lot happier than choosing slavery. --Vista Delay 01:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, he's a sockpuppet. See here for details, he has been banned, and isn't allowed to contribute to Wikipedia anymore.  Standard proceedure to rvt his edits.  We can continue our discussion about Talk:List of Greek Americans if you want.  I don't know about the larger discussion that is taking place, but I think Greek-Americans may be a bit different situation than Irish Americans.  A lot of white Americans think they are part Irish...even if they aren't.  But if an American is part Greek, they pretty much know it for a fact.  So there probably isn't that much controversy over who is "Greek" or not.  --JW1805 (Talk) 01:49, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * "See here for details." LMAO, do you think nobody will bother clicking on your proof? Or when they do, and they don't find anything but more accusations, do you think they'll give up? --Postponed Longhorn 01:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Your comments
Do not attempt to misrepresent what I've said. I have commented on Jewish lists, no others, and have made that very clear, as you know already. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This has been explained to you so many times, I fail to see what remains unclear. "Jewishness" is an ethnicity/culture/membership of a nation and a religion. This means that the criteria for inclusion are not obvious and may differ from other lists, and there is a particular danger of engaging in OR. In deciding whether to add a name, we stick very closely to verifiability, trusting other publications to have done their research, as we do with all articles on Wikipedia. I have no opinion about the extent to which the other lists do the same, because I've never looked at or edited them. If you want to ask GN's advice about these, please ask him/her. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * SlimVirgin apparently doesn't understand the WP:NOR policy. It isn't a matter of "trusting other publications to have done their research." We just report what another publication has written. Whether it's true or not then becomes their liability, not ours. --Vista Delay 01:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * This is my last response because I've said it all before to you. I repeat: I have never edited and likely will never edit the other lists. Therefore, I don't know what happens there, and have no comment to make. My interest was only the Jewish lists. With it being an ethnicity AND a religion, care needs to be taken to edit in accordance with our policies and not invent definitions. If you want to take that care elsewhere too, I'm not stopping you. Do not misrepresent again what I have said. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it isn't a policy violation. You're just making that up as you go along. Please check your e-mail. SlimVirgin (talk) 02:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I sent it to whichever email address you have in your Jack O'Lantern preferences. SlimVirgin (talk) 02:37, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It has been sent three times now. Let me know if you have received it, please, because I need a reply. SlimVirgin (talk) 06:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I've just sent it a fourth time, this time to the email address you gave. Please check your e-mail preferences for Wikipedia. They may not be set up correctly. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Your talk archive
Since you've got a new username, I archived your old talk page, User talk:JackO'Lantern, and moved it to User talk:Jack O'Lantern/Archive1, which I placed on the top of this page. To know and learn how to archive your talk page, see How to archive a talk page. In addition, I made a redirect of your old talk page to here. -- ADNghiem501 06:46, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Jesse McCartney Page
In regard to your edit of McCartney's page, Rhoderick Gates is an Australian born UK political acivist who also does pop singing but isn't signed up to any labels at present. Since he's interested in jointly producing Jesse's planned new album, I thought it approapriate to put it in his profile Music Career section.

You can see stuff on him on Yahoo and Google, but you usually have to go to the second page of search results. There's a profile of him in answers.com and some other online info sources. User:Merlov 9:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Bad Times
It's a sad day for the Irish when they are be seperated from all other ethnic groups in America. 75.3.4.54 01:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Johnny Depp
My error, I missed the parentheses somehow when looking at the code... bedtime, perhaps? ;) Radio  Kirk   talk to me  05:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Better you than me. :) Mad Jack O&#39;Lantern 05:52, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL! Radio  Kirk   talk to me  05:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Matthew McConaughey
If you read the article, he was wearing a shirt that said Irish, and said that branches (not branch) of his family trace back to Ireland. It has already been argued on the Pump page that Grace Note's argument was false in claiming that someone had to be be identified as Irish American to be listed as such as it was merely deductive reasoning not original research. Therefore we can rename the page! Arniep 19:59, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * He doesn't say that at all he says "Hmm, I don’t know." which could mean anything. He is actually asked why he is wearing a shirt saying Ireland and gives a reason that a number of branches of his family trace to Ireland which indicates he self identifies. Besides, there is no requirement for self identification. If you don't like the xxx American categories you should just nominate them for deletion. Arniep 20:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * We would not have to remove anyone if we renamed it as there is no definition of the number of generations from immigrant to the present to qualify. Arniep 20:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * On what grounds do you contest it? There is no definition and by creating one you are engaging in original research which an encyclopedia does not do. Arniep 20:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you misunderstand. We are not allowed to put our personal opinion or criteria and say ooo I always thought of De Niro as Italian American therefore he cant be in any other xxx American list. Arniep 20:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it is not my personal opinion at all, it is a verifiable fact that he has an Irish grandmother and Irish American is an American of Irish descent. You seem to be requiring self identification but when I actually presented a citation to that effect you still removed the category. I find your conduct unreasonable. Arniep 20:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me ask you this. If De Niro's name was O'Connor, and it was verifiable that his grandfather was Irish, but he was estranged from his father would you place him on the list of Irish Americans? Arniep 20:29, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well you have a very strange idea of what makes an Irish American as many many people on that list will be only 1/4 Irish or less but have a very Irish last name. Arniep 20:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, what if that person above has commonly been listed as an Irish American elsewhere because of their name but has never said anything to that effect? Arniep 20:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * How do you know that all those people who weren't in distant are 50% or more, have you traced their family trees? Just because someone says my mum is Irish my dad is German, what they probably mean is they have Irish and German surnames, I highly doubt they have traced their family tree and done a statistical analysis of their forebears. Arniep 20:40, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Your requirement is just as bad as what GraceNote was arguing, based on subjective judgement on mere wording that someone has used. If someone says their parent was Irish American and their mother was Italian American would you allow them in those respective lists or categories? Would you allow Quentin Tarantino on a list of Italian Americans when I don't think he has ever said he identifies with his estranged father? Arniep 20:50, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, I will object to moving the list as what people say regarding their ancestry cannot be considered a reliable source. We should only include people if their ancestry can be documented. Coincidentally I have got into a similar argument on Sammy Davis Jr. when he apparently commented that he was part Puerto Rican, but a new well researched biography indicates his mother was Cuban American. Arniep 21:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You say of course, why of course? Who has decided that a parent who someone never knew is important enough to somebody? Why is it more important than a grandmother who someone actually knew? Tarantino may argue rightly that Italian culture has nothing to do with him. Arniep 23:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you not see how your argument is illogical? If a person never knew a parent there is no reason why they should be identified with that parent's ethnicity over the ethnicity of a grandparent that the person actually knew. Arniep 23:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well you still didn't answer my question. Why is sharing ethnic genes important if you never had any contact with that culture or have no care for it? Arniep 23:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Are saying that a person automatically is pre disposed to feel connected to a country because of genes? Nonsense. Arniep 23:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I have moved it to List of Irish-Americans and Americans of Irish descent. Arniep 23:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem is moot now anyway. I suggest we mark who has identified or talked about their xxx ancestry on the page. Arniep 23:29, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not silly, Irish Americans are people who have been described in a reliable source as an Irish American, Americans of Irish descent are people who have described as having Irish ancestry but not as Irish American. I have reworded the intro to reflect that. Arniep 23:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I think the other guys complaint was just the removal of Irish American so hopefully he'll be OK, regarding Kahlo yes that looks reliable, but it is interestingly similar to the Sammy Davis, Jr. example, claiming a false nationality for political or fashionable reasons which was part of my objection for always relying on self identification. Arniep 23:38, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking at this it seems pretty amazing that noone had ever discovered this before and that she made all that intricate detail up. Maybe we should wait until we can find a Kahlo expert's opinion? Arniep 23:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I am not saying the photos aren't the grandparents, its just the names and the story that they were originally from Arad, which was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire which would seem like a complicated story to fabricate. I wonder how they know they have traced back the correct Wilhelm Kahlo? Arniep 10:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I know but this book claims that they lived in German not Hungary doesn't it? Arniep 15:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that book claimed the ancestors lived in Germany not Hungary. Arniep 15:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

McGinley Brothers
According to John C. McGinley's wikipedia page, he is the brother of Ted McGinley. 75.3.4.54 04:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Irish
Are you Irish Catholic? Do you consider yourself Irish-American? 75.3.4.54 04:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

No Sources
No sources are required on most of the ethnicity lists. I think everyone you removed from the list should be put back on, source or not, and they should be left on untill all ethnicity lists require sources. No reason to make a special exception for a few groups but not the others. 75.3.4.54 20:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

For instance, there are no sources on the List of Arab Americans, should I remove everyone off that list and list them in the talk section? 75.3.4.54 20:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I have some sources for some of the people, but I don't want to reveal my sources. 75.3.4.54 21:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I have human sources which whom I want to protect. 75.3.4.54 03:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Edits
Hello, Jack. In order to have your edit count transferred from your old name to your new one, see WP:CHU. I did from Gilliamjf to GilliamJF. Then you'll get the recognition you deserve. Regards, GilliamJF 03:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

RE:Nikki Reed
Not quite ancestry.com, but I do have access to a library version of the complete CA birth index. As for Nikki Reed, there is no one listed on Jan 17, 1988 with the surname Reed, and expanding to just Jan 17 doesn't have any Nicoles listed.--Fallout boy 19:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Katie Couric
Hi there, Jack --

Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was a Geneology Tree website for all these famous folks? We could source them all without question (well..at least to a certain extent). Ciao!--Nanusia 07:44, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Emma Roberts
Hi Jack, thanks for reminding me about this article. I'll fix it in a couple of hours, I'm a little busy right now.

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I've had a couple of night shifts. Yours, Rje 21:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I have just finished going through the article. As I know absolutely nothing about Emma Roberts, I may have made some errors in correcting the punctuation issues - you should probably check for these. Hopefully my alterations are an improvement. Yours, Rje 01:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I see no reason why the Good Article tag shouldn't be reinstated (my problems with the whole Good Article system notwithstanding). Rje 01:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Too Manny Good Article Nominees!
Jack O'Lantern, I appreciate your enthusiasm for submitting Good Article Nominations. However, I feel that submitting many similar articles isn't the best route to take. I began to read the article "Amanda Bynes" since I thought it would be a good basis for reviewing "Frankie Muniz." I found the two articles to be very similar and I didn't think that I could give Frankie Muniz a fair review. After all, if Frankie Muniz has everything that Amanda Bynes does and that one passed, it seems like Frankie Muniz is destined to pass as well. Several of the other articles you nominated are also very similar. I feel that with so many alike, it's not possible to give them each a fair review.

I'd encourage you in the future to limit how many articles you submit as a Good Article Nominee. Maybe having only one submission on the list at a time would be a good rule of thumb. I think that this would encourage all your Good Article Nominees to get a fair review.

I know I have no right to ask you to do this, but I think that it would be best to take most of your Good Article Nominees down for a little while. Maybe leave one or two up and you can gradually add the others as the articles are accepted or rejected. However, I am fairly new to the Good Article project and if you disagree with any of my advice, feel free to take it worth a grain of salt. Thunderforge 02:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Max Minghella
Hey, do you have a source saying that he dropped out of school. I had never heard that. Amo 20:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, thanks, you linked that article, just not support that particular fact. He mentioned in an interview that he saw This is Our Youth aged 17 (after conpulsorary education ends in the UK), which is what made him want to act. So it's not strictly correct to say he dropped out of (our equivelant of) highschool. He would actually have been doing A-levels at the time - this is what shocked me about the statement -you would absolutely expect someone from his backround to expected to at least do Alevels (if not university). Anyway, i'll have a go at the article in a bit. Amo 20:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry if it went a bit overboard with detail! I mean, it doesn't really matter; but let me explain: While some people might refer to the Sixth Form (department or institution where you do you A-levels) as "school" (indeed it may be the same institution as where you conpleted your compulsory schooling), it's not. He dropped out of a further education course that he had elected to do. Actually dropping out of compulory school over here is illegal and your parents can be punished. We don't get so many "highschool dropouts" as Americans and ppl in other countries. Amo 13:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

English
Hi, just to let you know that it is never acceptable to tell people to shut up however much you disagree with them. What I am saying about English vs British is is just that many ethnic minorities do not identify as English for the reasons I mentioned. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way saying all English are racist or aything like that at all (I'm English myself). Arniep 18:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Emigres
Hi Jack - I've run across quite a few Notable Directors/Cinematographers that were born in Poland, and who started their careers there but later emigrated to the U.S.. Should these persons be in both groups "Polish" and "Polish-American"? I assume it would be the correct to classify them in both areas since these individuals now live and work in the U.S. and have contributed to primarily American Film productions. Please advise. Thanks for your time! --Nanusia 19:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I wanted to confirm before I added them onto the Polish-Americans list! --Nanusia 19:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Fluffernutter
Regarding Ms. JoJo, how is the fact that "she likes wearing clothes such as Abercrombie & Fitch and Baby Phat" not fluff? This is a soi dissant encyclopedia, not Seventeen magazine!

Keira Knightley
I'm not sure why you posted statements completely irrelevent to the discussion on this, but judging by your previous comments I took it as a personal attack so I removed it. Arniep 01:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry but those too people anon Irish guy and Berks105 are both on the extreme of nationalism so both got completely the wrong end of the broom stick and flew off the handle calling me racist when I am most definitely not. Arniep 01:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry but "people don't tend to identify as Jewish because of distant ancestry", "People tend to identify with their birthname's ancestry" or "People's statements on their ancestry tend to be unreliable" are not offensive. Admittedly some people may have been offended by me pointing out that ethnic minorities don't like to identify as English due to it's association with WASP nationalism but I can't help that. Arniep 01:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm "people don't tend to identify as Jewish because of distant ancestry" is not offensive. I was just comparing it to other xxx Americans who may identify as such due to a very remote ancestor, whereas people don't usually do the same for an ancestor who was Jewish (I don't know why that is). And "People's statements on their ancestry tend to be unreliable" is pretty much true for the majority of the celebrities who haven't done any family history research.Arniep 01:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Look, the problem is you are just taking the comments out of context. They are just not offensive. I was just making the point that I am not aware of any people who identify as Jewish American due to a distant ancestor as might be the case with the other xxx American lists. And when I said "People's statements on their ancestry tend to be unreliable" I was thinking about most celebrities not you or any other sensible people. Arniep 01:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Nora Zehetner
Hi, I was just wondering from which source you got her parents names which you added to the article? Thanks. Gu 10:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's interesting because in the free birth records I tried to check e.g.  the parent fields were empty and I thought is't maybe because of privacy issues. So ancestry.com does give for the fee more info than others do. Gu 07:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer Jack, I'll get back to you if there is a need for such info! Gu 07:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Polish-Americans List
Hey Jack - Could we put an "Attention to Discussion page" sign on the Polish-Americans list so that people can also view the people that "may or may not be Polish"? Since these individuals have not been sourced yet (very difficult to find info)it would be definitely helpful if others could contribute -- obviously, the internet is limited when it comes to sourcing -- many of these individuals (actors/musicians) talk about ancestry when they are doing TV spots or when they are giving interviews to magazines/newspaper, which are not viewable on the net. Anyhow, just an idea. I would be more than happy to re-organize/clean up the list on the discussion page. What do you think? Also, in regard to Nick Adams, (I did not put his name on the list as I now know to source my Polish peeps) but I do have a quote from him saying that he was Polish, (his father was from the Ukraine - he may have had a Polish mother) "In his letter, Nick said that like Slovik, he was Polish and originally from Detroit, and would be perfect for the role." . --Nanusia 19:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL - yes, Belinda looks "muy Polako" but every source I have read says that the Polish surname she carries is from being adopted by her Polish-American stepfather - oh, well! BTW-thank you for all the advice and guidance! Is the re-org of the Talk page, OK? I didn't want to do too much, just enough to make the List "seen" so maybe other people can help source these "likely" Polish Americans. Take Care. --Nanusia 21:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

THANKS!--Nanusia 21:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey Jack - can I edit the quotes that source some of the Polish American actors, i.e.: Gilda Gray, Lee Lee Sobieski, Helen Modejeski(sp?), etc. - some of those are just way too long and can be edited to be more concise like with what you did to the "musician" section. Please advise...thanks!--Nanusia 22:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL - WOW you are sourcing guru! How the heck did you do that so fast?!!! Yes, I was trying to cut off Lee Lee but to heck with it, it is probably the most interesting quote on the page. BTW - shouldn't Michael Vartan & Sarah Silverman be listed in the Polish-Jewish section? At least with Sarah, it appears she identifies herself as Jewish. I know there are many Polish-Jews who are both ethnically Polish and Jewish, but unless they say so, I usually do not group them with ethnic Poles. I'm grieving that you pulled all those probable Polish-Americans into the "maybe" list - OY! ;-) --Nanusia 23:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, you have done a fabulous job sourcing I must say! I can try and source through the Polish-Jewish list to keep it consistent with your other entries -Can we just get rid of "Jewish-Americans with Polish Ancestry" section all together? Ben Orr - Is definitely Czech but there was question if his father was also Polish but I can't find anything to substantiate this. Re: George Antheil, his parents appear to be Prussian/German but for some reason identified himself as Polish (in his autobiography)perhaps stigma of being German after WWII or some Polish ancestry. I have no idea. But ya, he shouldn't be on the list. --Nanusia 23:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey there - what are you still doing up at this hour? Yes, I just realized that Reference.com was a no-go so I changed the source. Thanks for info though -- much appreciated!

Lucas
I'm not disbuting you. I"m just curious for my own edification. Why not Lucas? I always thought he was Jewish?

Maries
well i found another connection: the horse whisperer. Johansson took the role that Portman dropped out of. So i checked Kate Bosworth (also in THW), but nothing. maybe he just gets antsty when there's no known middle name. Amo 00:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Undescribed category change
May I ask about one of your edits? You moved Samuel Byck from Category:Jewish Americans to Category:Jewish American history without an explanation. How does that individual factor into the History of the Jews in the United States? -Will Beback 07:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Someday I hope the wikimedia software will allow for more sophisticated categories. It's frustrating to deal with the limitations and inefficient categorization schemes we have to use. Oh well. Thanks for the instant reply. Cheers, -Will Beback 07:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Dann Florek
yes, it is true - I found a quote on the AOL Search page for Dann Florek but when I hit the link the page appeared without the info: and yes, it appears to have been originally from Wiki. I have seen the same bio for him on each and every site and NO mention of his parents NADA - that is strange! Oh, well, I've tried and I can't source him. I read about his father being Polish somewhere last year but it looks like the info has disappeared. Take Care - --Nanusia 04:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Jewish Americans
Hi JOL, I have asked this in a number of different forums and user talk pages with no response. It seems that about 5 months ago, 3-4 anonymous IPs came in and added "Jewish American" to about 500 different biographies of "Americans" ie BORN in the States and then the IPs disappeared. I have been reverting these biographies back as I can. I see that you were in discussion about this and the "lists" of different peoples of the world and wanted your feedback. It seems that Manual of Style (biographies) was helpful to me. From my user page you can see that I have a problem with people who have an "agenda" and this appears to be one of those cases. Thanks!Tom 15:51, 4 May 2006 (UTC)