User talk:Jack O'Lantern/Archive5

Eric Goldberg (see Felix Nussbaum entry)
It seems you may have naively removed the fact that Eric Goldberg was a Jewish-Canadian artist. This detail is vital to his biography. He was an important member of Montreal's then Jewish school of artists. It would be odd and somewhat counter-intellectual to negate important details like these.

Fanning

 * Yes, well, you'll find that many southerners are not that simple in ancestry, lol. Michael 05:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, well, if the IMDB said it, it must be true. We should tag her as a multiracial actor  because of that (joking).  They also allege that she is Scandinavian.  Sure... Michael 06:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I doubt you'll find any German Crabtrees. He might be 3/4 Irish and 1/4 German. That could also be seen as significant. He certainly wouldn't strictly classify himself as Irish then...Michael 06:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, did anyone ever put that on Wikipedia? They often copy us.  Sometimes, though, they just like to type up whatever on earth they want.  "Oh, she looks like she could be part Irish, Greek, and German...Hmmm...Let's throw in a little Seminole to make her seem more exotic..."
 * The German is probably Walker's maternal grandmother. Michael 06:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, a conversation on what she looks...That sounds reliable...Ha! Michael 06:11, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and what is most fishy about IMDB is the fact that you cannot read the forums unless you are signed in, so innocent bystanders would never know what actually goes on. Michael 06:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it fixed? Michael 06:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, the resemblance is uncanny. Now, someone will probably begin saying it's his twin, and, for that reason, he must be from Germany. Michael 06:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no doubt Padalecki is Polish...His mother's maiden name definitely sounds German. And, thanks-I added the archive tag.  It took me about five minutes, as the little box kept coming up, saying something had performed an illegal operation, thus requiring me to get back on the Internet, log back in, etc. Michael 06:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I highly doubt that there have ever been a tremendous amount of Padaleckis in Texas. And yes, the mother's name does sound Jewish, possibly even of Polish origin, for that matter. Michael 06:52, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully he will say something...Michael 07:13, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, I saw those things on Adams and Bronson. It's crazy.  Ukrainian-Polish-Estonian-Every other Eastern European country...There are sources, right? Michael 07:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh I presumed you were part Irish based off your username... Michael 07:25, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL, when I first read your username, I thought it was your name. It actually took me a little while to realize the play on words.  So, did you end up with a Jewish surname?  Some people I know used to think I was "Polish" and nothing more, I suppose since they were only one nationality...I would then have to give the whole list. Michael 07:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, the name is a play on words...Making "jack-o'-lantern" into a name... Michael 07:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well, the comic people obviously made the name a pun. Michael 07:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That looks kind of...disgusting... Michael 07:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, well...You should be proud she shares some of your ancestry! Michael 07:50, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I actually just did one "Young", "He", "Young", "He" edit, and I'm about to try to integrate the trivia into the article. Thanks. Michael 08:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, hopefully...I first want to address the concerns expressed by the initial reviewer. Michael 08:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Created Endre Johannes Cleven - thx for your help!!
Coupla fixes and too many in-line comments but will tidy up tomorrow. Thanks for your help; and if anything in my bizarre range of expertises/insterests can be of interest (see User:Skookum1 let me know. "Yours in Wiki" Skookum1 09:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Your lack of sources
Maybe I should stalk your edits to make sure you add a source for every single edit you make, because they seem unsubstantiated to me. You know nothing about ethnicity or sociology. Stay in your arena and I will stay in mine, or I will revert any edit you make that doesn't provide a source. Go away! IP Address 20:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

JoJo's ancestries
Hi! I'd just like to know one thing: what's wrong with adding categories on JoJo's page which refer to her ancestries? 200.138.194.254 02:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh certainly, I understand. But when I say "ancestry" I don't actually mean her grandparents or something like that, I mean her descents, like "JoJo is of Polish descent", do you get it? For example, the category "Ecuadorian-Americans" is added on Christina Aguilera's page because she's of Ecuadorian descent. Shoudn't we do the same thing with JoJo? 200.138.194.254 21:21, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I get it now! Just because she has a grandfather who was born in France it doesn't mean she's a French-American, right? Well, I will look for sources that describe JoJo regarding her descents. 200.138.194.254 21:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

User Conduct RFC for IP Address?
Whaddya think? His or her behavior is *clearly* over the line. --ElKevbo 05:47, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk archive number
If anyone clicked your Archive 4 above which opened /Archive3 above, it was misleading. Use your proper link for talk archive number next time. -- ADNghiem501 06:03, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That's an awful harsh statement for a simple typo... --ElKevbo 06:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I deserve it. I did it on purpose, I admit it! I just couldn't take the injustice anymore - Archive 3 getting so little exposure. It's my best archive yet! I just had to have as many links to it as possible on this page. BTW, it seems that guy has left, and I am a bit too lazy to report him for 3rr, soo.... Mad Jack 06:09, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Clarification
Wait, I'm not following. Also "however, this is not the case for the ones you made adjustments to on the actors page, nor should you remove any info cited to a reliable source because you disagree with the judgements that source made" I don't understand what that sentence is referring to. Most of the sources listed there don't look very reliable. So now anybody who's half Jewish is just automatically labelled as Jewish? Sounds a little unfair to the other half. 72.144.191.201 08:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Is this established law now? What if they person was half Jewish but didn't practice the religion? (as is the case often) Wouldn't this exclude all of them? Or are they automatically categorized as Jewish now? And there are many sources on the actors list that don't explicitly say "BLANK is jewish". Plus some of the sources are from gag fan sites (e.g. the stuff would be called "JEWS R US"). Its not exactly reliable like an official biography, lets say. I took your advice from the Czech list. My whole dilemma is who to explicitly call a Czech and who not. I think it's already cleared up though, because the only people who are called "Czechs" in their wikipedia pages are included, and I added "source requesters" for those that don't state any nationality (like a few rabbis). Anyway, can you give me a quick overview of who would and who would not count as Jewish according to this new guideline? 72.144.191.201 08:37, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, sorry to keep questioning, this is a little hard to get use to. Tell me if I'm understanding correctly. The painter Balthus (you might be familiar with his work. eh, maybe I'm just a fan) is Polish-French and supposedly his mother was Jewish. The best source for this is from a nice little biography which states "He elucidates Balthus's mother's long affair with the poet Rainer Maria Rilke; her Jewish ancestry, which Balthus denied" Since there are no sources which explicitly say "Balthus IS Jewish" and he didn't follow the religion. Does that mean he cannot be added to a Jewish list?

Secondly, the whole Elvis dilemma. You don't see the sillyness in concluding that Elvis as Jewish from that source which obviously is just a play on the Jewish law lineage. His great great maternal grandmother (could have been) Jewish says the source. So through Jewish law he would be Jewish. That's why the source says "Elvis is Jewish". But anybody can clearly see that he isn't REALLY Jewish besides some possible ethnic ancestry.

Oh, and lets not rely on sources so much as in the Sara Paxton article. Since when is Irish not European? 72.144.191.201 08:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe we should put "Irish and other unknown European descent"? It's not a big deal. Plus the article said Paxton's mother didn't speak Spanish. Honestly, how many Mexicans don't know Spanish? I bet her mother was either an immigrant of the child of immigrants. It would help if we knew her surname, but thats just assuming stuff. I don't know what Elvis' religious practice was but I'm assuming that it wasn't Judaism. I still think there should be some note (perhaps a footnote) that mentions that this is only derived from his maternal great grandmother, but whatever. My whole dilemma is really on the reliability of sources. Some places just kinda throw out "XX is Jewish" without really identifying whether the person practiced or had an significant ethnic descent. The Elvis source is kinda a perfect example of what I mean. Are the sources on List of British Jews gonna get a huge renovation now? Lots of work. 72.144.191.201 09:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I noticed the source (the little number). Who could miss it? What I meant to ask was... in those footnotes, could information be put on Jewish ancestry (like in the case of Elvis)? Could I add in that according to that source it is only his great grandmother? You already answered that though, I guess. Still confirm if you can.

Ok, so it looks like the work that has to be done now is mainly on people who have only one Jewish parent (or like a Jewish grandfather w/e). The rule is still a little confusing (or maybe I'm just slow), but essentially we need a source stating the person is Jewish. If we don't have that source, then what can be done?

Like you said about Balthus, its good to take a person's self-identification into account, right?

72.144.191.201 09:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If a person follows Judaism, they are Jewish. Correct?
 * If a person was born Jewish but CONVERTED, and never looked back on the religion, what are they counted as?

It is relatively simple. That's really good. I feel I'm being very annoying, but I still have a few questions. So technically, in those footnotes, can the "Father was not Jewish" or "mother was not Jewish" information be placed for clarification? If no sources are present on a saids Judaism, can he be removed from a list?

And lastly (I promise this is the last question I ask for at least today), how do you feel about www.jinfo.org? It doesn't SAY anyone is jewish - rather it just focuses Judaism purely on the person having a Jewish parent. The site sometimes doesn't list its sources for assuming someone is Jewish, so can that personal webpage list of Jewish people be used as a source for wikipedia? I would say "no" but I want your opinion anyway.

Sometimes problems arise out of the site like in the case of Fritz Kreisler. No outside sources state he is explicitly Jewish (even here, a relative doesn't know: ) and he was a devout Catholic for much of his life (his wife, supposedly said to be anti-semitic, denied his Jewish ancestry fervently too). It gets difficult with some people. 72.144.191.201 09:44, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Yea Sorry I did assume Bynes father was the Jewish parent (mothers surname didn't match), but the rest of what I added was pretty much on target with what it said. I was pretty sure Eli's father wasn't Jewish but if you have a source then obviously I could be wrong. I won't add the footnotes if you don't want but I still feel they are good for clarifying when the person doesn't pratice Judaism. 72.144.191.201 09:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

OK. For when you come back, please leave your answer on my talk page: Can www.jinfo.org be used as the only source to prove someone was Jewish if the site does not provide another source for assuming why the person was Jewish and if no other sources exist on the person's religious affliation? Because if so, it would be like taking a name from another wikipedia-like list. An infinite loop of no sources explicitly stating Judaism. 72.144.191.201 10:09, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you much for the clarification by the way. 72.144.191.201 10:10, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Brandon Routh section headings
Fair enough about the headings. I just thought that it was rather odd to have only two level-2 headings, one of which is "References"; I hadn't come across that before. — TKD::Talk 21:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. That's an an interesting way of doing it, although I tend to use "Notes" for the inline citations, "References" for the actual sources, and "External links" or "Further reading" for anything not directly used as a reference but germane nonetheless, and within the guidelines of WP:EL. See Red vs Blue for how this looks. Separating Notes from References is useful when different sections of the same thing have to be cited separately. — TKD::Talk 07:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Scarlett Johansson
Sorry, i've no idea what i did the first time - i just got in from work and it's the middle of the night here! Anyway, i've now edited it to how i think it should be, so if you've any problems... BTW her publicist has denied the Dallas rumours according to this: http://www.scarlett-fan.com/ (see 21st july update). Amo 02:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Film screenshots
Film screenshots may only be used to illustrate the movie, not solely to depict the actress in question. It's a subtle but very important difference. I removed the image from Scarlett Johansson. --Yamla 17:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Additionally, all uses of a copyrighted image require a detailed and hand-written fair-use justification. See the license text for more information.  --Yamla 17:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

You said: "But wouldn't that mean 95% of all actor articles on Wikipedia would have no images? That sounds like an undesirable result"
 * Actually, Wikipedia policy is to have much fewer images than we currently have. Anyway, even if it produces an undesirable result, that doesn't trump Wikipedia's copyright and fair-use policies.  --Yamla 17:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

You said: "Is this picture OK? From the Russian Wikipedia. It says it's a promotional image (which I believe we can use)"


 * It's hard to tell, I cannot read Russian. Does it have its source identified?  It looks like it may be an image from inside a magazine, in which case it may not be used at all.  If it is a promotional image, it may be used to illustrate what it is promoting.  For example, a promotional image for a movie may be used to illustrate that movie but not solely to depict the person.  --Yamla 17:49, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Billy Zane
Care to come discuss your edits to the Billy Zane page on its talk page? Thanks ka1iban 04:30, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Paris Hilton
Well, actually, I went down my watchlist first, reverting vandalism and checking on edits that had been made in my absence, and then I added her. Michael 07:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Blancha is a weird name...It sounds as if it could be Jewish, or it just may be an oddity. Michael 07:31, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * He may have come from Poland but been of Russian origins...There were quite a few wars and distributions of territories, so the exact location may be in question due to the many changes in boundaries over the years. Michael 07:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd be inclined to wonder how much Jewish the average person can actually be, in that case. As I told you before, my mother's paternal grandmother was Jewish and she had red hair and green eyes.  It makes you wonder how many of the ancestors (certainly not all) were actually Jewish.  Obviously, at some point in the past, it became quite diluted... Michael 07:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Northern Italians often do not have the characteristics of southern Italians, who tend to be of darker complexion. The assimilation I was referring to was in the fact that a Polish-Jew may not feel incredibly isolated from the Polish population.  Oh, and isn't Michael Vartan something else?  I don't know.  I've seen too many different sources on him... Michael 08:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I once read that there are only about 4,000 Jews left in Poland-a result of the expulsion and the Holocaust. While the differences between Jews and Gentiles may be greater in Europe, they tend not to be as large in the U.S.  Further, if you were to find a 3rd-generation Jewish-American and a 3rd-generation Italian-American, it would not be odd for them to have the same connection to their country of ancestral origin.  While Jewish people form a distinct ethnic group, such does not exclude them from the one of the country of which they come from, particularly when their descendants may recognize it as their familial country of origin as an Italian-American may recognize Italy as his or her familial country of origin. Michael 08:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I only know one boy my age that is 100% Italian and one girl who is 75%...I would not doubt that people with partial heritage outnumber those with full. Aside from racial minorities, I honestly don't know if I could name five who fully of one nationality.  Where I live in NJ, the most common nationalities are Italian, Polish, German, and Irish.  Then, of course, there are others, but those four tend to be the most common.  You'd probably be hard pressed to find a person of European descent who was not at least one of those in part. Michael 03:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Awesome sourcing
Hi Jack. You did fantastic sourcing on List of Czech Jews. One thing is you're using a few sources that state "Czech-born" and taking it for "Czech Jew". Czech-born means they were born in the territory of Bohemia or Moravia, while Czech Jew states they were Czech Jews. Someone might be born to missionaries in China, which would make them Chinese-born, but not Chinese. So I moved those people to the talk oage. Out of curiousity, where'd you find the information on Milos Forman? Anyway, awesome work. Oh and I didn't need a source that said Rabbi was Jewish, I needed one that said he was Czech. 72.144.147.65 20:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That's pretty cool coincidence. "Forman" is both a Protestant and Jewish surname. So this Forman was Protestant but Forman isn't his biological father, right? So, wait, was he raised Jewish or Protestant? 72.144.147.65 21:04, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * If he's half Protestant and didn't practice Judaism, why's he exactly on the list? I don't know exactly how the rule applies to half and half people. Do we know for sure his biological father was even Czech? 72.144.147.65 21:12, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm still not following. I didn't know "half Jewish" could work for a person anymore. 72.144.147.65 21:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It would work better if his mother was Jewish, because then via Jewish law he would be. It's odd but if its the rules then alright. 72.144.147.65 21:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * What's the policy on conflicting sources? If one source says a person is Jewish and another Catholic or one stating someone was "Czech" and another someone was "Austrian" as is the case of Viktor Ullmann: . 72.144.147.65 22:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yea, we already know he's Jewish (well he converted but unless you think we should mention that, its irrelevant), but a "German-Czech" doesn't really confirm that he's anything more than Czech-born. Besides, I think the source was referring to "German" in the ethnic senese rather than national. His nationality was Austrian and I guess you could see Austrians are really Germans in some sort of historical sense. 72.144.147.65 22:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow you're indentations on my talk page are making a nice upside-down pyramid. I don't really think the source for Viktor Ullmann is that weak except that it uses "German" in an ethnic sense, I rather replace it with the source I showed you since it says "Austrian".


 * What is kinda weak is the argument for Gellner. It says he was born in the Sudetenland, which we all know for History 101 became part of Germany soon afterwards because all its inhabitants were ethnic Germans. His quote "I was somehow instructed to consider myself Czech." kinda shows us in a sarcastic way that he didn't consider himself Czech and was forced to in order to "assimilate" to the fact that it was now Czechoslovakia and not Austrian Empire - if you get my drift. He's on List of Germans and List of German Jews so it's not the concern of moving him there, it's the fact that the source used the word "Czech" meaning more like "Czechoslovakian inhabitant" than a Czech Jew. Still, I'm not so apt to move him yet. 72.144.147.65 22:27, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I know thats the problem! The source is using Czech in the form of "born in Czechoslovakia." His quote gives away he was forcing a Czech identity onto himself, and his birthplace in the Sudetenland is basically like being born in Berlin back then. Maybe if we can find a source that says explicitly that he saw himself as a German, it could serve as a validation. 72.144.147.65 22:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I can relate. You probably know more about X-Americans being one yourself. Actually - now that I think about it - I'm only assuming you're American. I always forget English wikipedia is for Australians etc too ;) I use to do a lot of work on list of German Americans but this was before it got revitalized. Back then people would add anyone who had a German great grandpa to it. 72.144.147.65 22:45, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, there are too many lists, but they're not all that bad. I still dislike categories more. I'm surprised there aren't List of German Canadians or List of Ukrainian Canadians yet. Supposedly Canada is much more homogenous in its makeup than US - meaning like most of non-British Canadians were recent enough immigrants to not be so ancestrally mixed-up. 72.144.147.65 22:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Laurence Olivier
I see you've done a lot of actor...no, movie star GAs, and I was wondering if you might just give the Laurence Olivier article the once over, and give me a few ideas as to what I should improve. Thanks, ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 02:16, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Have adressed your issues. In the next couple of days, I'm going to do a huge expansion drive, hopefully bringing the article closer in reach of FA status. Thanks, ....(Complain)(Let us to it pell-mell) 04:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Full ethnicity

 * Well, I think heritage can be a reason for people's obsessions with various people. In our society, you also have certain stereotypes by which some people desire to be with others of certain ethnic backgrounds because of physical appearance, the way in which society may look upon that ethnic group, or the stereotypes equated with that group.  For example, when looking for a source for Ace Young's heritage inclusion, I came across numerous fan sites, in which contributors said things such as, "Oh, I'm part German and Irish, too.  That's so hot!", "He has Irish eyes!", or "Oh, then that's why he's so gorgeous."  Then again, you may look to Paris Hilton's German quote in which she says something to the effect of, "German guys are hot."  To be honest, I think that if someone sees that a person is listed as a WASP, that takes something away from exotic appeal due to the fact that until the 20th century, you couldn't get anywhere without being a WASP, and in the political arena, basically all but two Presidents have been WASPS. Michael 05:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course...Certain areas have maintained distinct ethnic commonalities. New York City is a primary source.  As I said, Little Italy (both there and also in areas like Hoboken, NJ) contribute to staying within one's ethnicity, usually because of culture and location.  The same applies to Jewish people, though the more religious often feel obligated to marry on a basis of religion. Like the prominence of Italians in some areas, Boston and Chicago are well known for their Irish populations.User:Mike 7|Michael]] 05:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the Ace thing is kind of weird...His last name is Young (probably British), and I saw one site with a picture of an old man who was said to be Ace's grandfather (who had the surname of Whitney). Of course, that leaves Ace's paternal grandmother.  Since his mother is a Mormon, I would doubt that she is at all German.  Have you done an ancestry.com search on him?  The non-WASP Presidents I meant were Eisenhower (originally Eisenhauer) and Hoover (originally Huber), since they were of German descent, which usually isn't as closely related to the typical WASP culture.  Basically all but three Presidents have been part Scottish-I found that pretty weird.  Where did you get the source on Meryl Streep?  She's still cited as being Dutch on her father's side. Michael 05:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Paris Hilton is about 1/8 German, to my knowledge, because of her great-grandfather...Is the rest more WASP-oriented? Michael 05:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, then, I'm surprised she didn't also make a statement saying, "I am Norwegian." That's really a weird quote we have from her. "German guys are hot...I am German." I guess whatever was in the middle made it make more sense (hopefully). Michael 05:33, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd seriously wonder how they could even theorize about ancestry for 3000 years. I'd have difficulty lending that even an ounce of credibility. Michael 05:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If you go back that far in Paris' case, she's probably 1/16 German. When you go back far enough, people usually stayed within their own ethnic circles. Michael 05:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Where's the "World Connect" link? Michael 05:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Weird...I was on the wrong site...Somehow, I was originally redirected to www.rootweb.com (despite correct spelling), where god knows how many pop-ups randomly popped up when I would go to a different page and the necessary searching capabilities were not available. Michael 05:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC) It doesn't say what his father is, does it? Michael 05:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So rootsweb.com is predominately WASP-oriented? Michael 06:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

"Jewish American" in "European American" template
My second last edit summary stated "The vast majority of Jewish Americans may b of European heritage, but the ethnonym itself is not. There r non-European Jewish Americans. Also, all other hyphenations r based on a European nationality". Perhaps I should have been more specific.

The vast majority of Jewish Americans (and for that matter, most Jews around the world) are of European heritage, that is true, but the ethnonym "Jewish" (and thus also "Jewish American") does not correspond to any one single Jewish ethnic division (in this case European Jewry). There are non-European Jews, and thus also non-European Jewish Americans. To categorize the Jewish American entity (which harbours non-European Jews) as being a European American category, is biased and POV.

All the other hyphenations in the European American template are based upon nationalities (eg. Italian Americans) or ethnic groups (eg. Basque Americans) which are found only in Europe, and then hyphenated with "-American" when they reside in the United States. Jews are not found only in Europe.

If you wish to maintain the ethnonym "Jewish American" in the European American template, then might I suggest a compromise of adding "Jewish American" to any African American, Asian American, Middle Eastern American, or Hispanic American templates there may be.

Also, do realise that by maintaining "Jewish American" in the "European American" template, it's only a matter of time before we have "Muslim American" added too, because there are "Muslim Americans" of European heritage. Al-Andalus 06:40, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Chief Justice John G. Roberts' ethnicity
Do you know of a good source to locate such info. One person theorized that his mother is Polish. Her maiden name was Podrasky, though it's probable that she wasn't Jewish due to his religion and the fact that nothing was ever said about this. His father is probably a WASP, I would presume. Nothing came up on rootsweb.com in pertinence to him. Have you seen anything, or can you feasibly locate anything? Michael03:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed...I've wondered about it since I watched the confirmation hearings on TV...It's pretty weird. On his talk page, someone said that his mother is Polish (or of Polish descent), but I don't know.  One would think he was just a WASP, but his mother's surname says differently. Michael 04:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * With a last name like Podrasky, I'm surprised the media didn't try to dig anything up. It makes no sense. Michael 04:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You would have at least expected them to make something up... Michael 05:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes...And Scandinavian due to the fact that he is "distantly related" to Dakota Fanning. Michael 05:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised you even bother with the IMDB considering the fact that scarcely anything on there is accurate. I wouldn't even know where to begin. Michael 05:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm inclined to wonder how many times we have blamed the IMDB of plagiarism in cases in which the article writer actually copied the IMDB... Michael 05:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ummm...About Sophia Bush, I found this on some fan forum, not that it explains much of anything in the slightest bit.
 * I'd actually never heard of her before... Michael 05:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the name Sophia Anna could promote the Italian thing, but I have no idea...Wait-who's obscure that I edit? Michael 05:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't sound familiar...Maybe it was just some random person I came across and edited (or it might have been a character on a show)? Michael05:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I just moved a pic of Neal from her character's (Casey Novak) page. She's actually one of the stars of Law & Order: SVU. Michael 05:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, there is one...I saw it some time ago. I'll look for it later. Michael 06:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Which message board posting? Michael 06:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh...And Diane Neal (when she originally came on the show as a guest star-the rapist), she and two colleagues viciously raped a male stripper, tying him to a bed and threatening him with a letter opener. Michael 06:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Does anyone even know who he is? Michael06:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. Yeah, that's why I edit television actors' articles more frequently than film actors. Michael 06:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes. The rest of the time I do god knows what... Michael 06:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe her book says something... Michael 06:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Name
I've known you aren't really a Jack, yet it's been all we have had to call you. I just didn't think it was the same as mine. That's good to know, anyway, so that I needn't think of "Jack O'Lantern" when I think of who ou actually are. Michael 01:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and about John Roberts...The person who posted on the article's talk page that Roberts' mother was Polish just thought she was, despite saying it as a fact. Were it Polish, it would probably end in -ski, like mine.  Those that end with -sky are not always Jewish, but sometimes Russian, although it is possible the person has Jewish ancestors.  Oh, well...I'm really surprised, though, that no one has said anything about Roberts' heritage. Michael 01:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's really weird... Michael 01:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but you would think there would at least be some type of speculation on the Internet, because assuredly not everyone would automatically assume that to be a WASP name. Oh, and when he was speaking Greek...If I recall correctly it was during his opening statement at his confirmation hearing, and he's also referenced it in multiple rulings he's handed down (j/k). Michael 02:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But that only translates to him being an Irish-American who is not fully Irish. It doesn't really contradict itself. Michael 05:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, well, they'll tack any fact on there someone asks for. One person could submit, "Is Irish, English, Dutch, French, and very Greek," whereas someone else may say, "Is African-American". Both will end up on the page. Michael 05:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * His surname certainly isn't. Michael 05:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. Michael 05:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Only if I feel so inclined to be...I'm not listing specifically where in Ireland, since they were from different areas. Michael 05:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just went back to put the source and you already did. Michael 05:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And I notice that you have an article up for nomination. Michael 05:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I only do greeting if someone has already edited on an article I am on and they have not been greeted/welcomed. Michael 05:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I took your advice, went from your nominee, and somehow ended up there. Michael 05:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe they thought saying "white" would be politically incorrect. In one quote from him, he says something about having soul, even though he's a white boy. Michael 05:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * IMDB doesn't post sexuality or religion? Oh, I heard that in regards to someone's religion once...but sexuality, too? Michael 06:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I suppose that's true... Michael 06:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic Jew/Ethnic X
It's true that if we go by Jewish ethnicity that people with two Jewish parents are "Jewish" ethnically, but the vast majority of Jews today (and like back then) would never call themselves only "ethnically Jewish". So it's really all about their ancestor's identification with an ethnicity - like Polish Jews would be a good example. For whatever reason they identify with this ethnicity is really unknown - it could be that they had gentile ancestors of that ethnic group in their background or for really any number of reasons. 70.146.75.24 04:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

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Short Descriptions
By the way, the way you added a short description of each person on List of Czech Jews was really helpful and makes the list look nice and clean. I'm gonna start copying the way you do it, if that's ok ;) 72.144.183.169 14:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I wanted to share with you something I think would strengthen the "source it" policy. The only drawback I've seen with it is when one "relatively" reliable source makes a misleading claim by calling someone "X" and not mentioning under what circumstances. For example, The Elvis issue is still pressing. The source you having calling him "Jewish" is really somewhat of a tabloid heading "Elvis is Jewish the old fashioned way." It doesn't really claim Elvis IS Jewish, it's just a heading trying to sucker people into reading the circumstances in which, by Jewish law, he would be. With "sources" like that, a lot of people can be misleadingly categorized. Since Elvis didn't practice Judaism and his ancestral line is ridiculously distant, calling him "Jewish" is a little far-out despite there existing a link saying it. I just think that we need to weed out what's a source that's stating a serious fact and what's a source thats somewhat playing with words. Wouldn't you agree? 72.144.183.250 18:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Headline is just really an example. But since when have we gone by rabbinical law on wikipedia? I agree, it might be easier to do it that way, but from what I see people with Jewish fathers are still often counted as Jewish. 72.144.183.250 19:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, by most cirumstances that would work fine. It just so happens the Elvis bit is really really pushing the boundaries. 72.144.183.250 19:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and one more thing about sources that say "X is half Jewish." Since we don't put "half Jewish" anymore, how do we list someone if they claim to be "half"? 72.144.183.250 19:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we should strive to find sources that explicitly say when someone is half for use as a primary reference. Oh, by the way, I'm gonna merge List of Jewish American actors with List of Jewish actors and actresses because they're pretty much identical. I didn't even realise there were two until now. 72.144.183.250 19:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Look for yourself. The lists are identical. What I mean is that losing the whole "half Jewish" comment thing doesn't seem like a great idea when the person explicitly states they are "half Jewish," so if it is absolutely 100% necessary that we lose it, the smartest thing would be to find a reference that explicitly states "half Jewish" unlike some which just say "Jewish girl from Jersey." 72.144.183.250 19:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well because a lot of places just put "Jewish" regardless of whether the person identifies as half or not. That's why. I put up the merge notice, but I doubt there's going to be on discussion on it. 72.144.183.250 19:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh and the "two conflicting sources" bit we talked about earlier. Instead of just listing the person in both, I think it's somewhat wiser to pair up exactly how many sources say one thing as opposed to another. That way it sorta weeds out the one conflicting one as a misinformed source. i.e. adherents, nndb, and most often written-article sites (like totallyJewish) do this a lot. 72.144.183.250 19:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I know, thats the problems with nndb, adherent, jinfo, totallyjewish, wikimirrors, jewwho, and the infinite amount of nationality/religion sites out there...they don't always list a source. It may seem weird that we need a source from a source, but I'm sure you see it the same way I do.

And the Presbyterian Jewish thing would contradict unless the source explicitly said or implied it was Jewish by ethnicity...which many many sites don't do. By the way, when/if you want to source a big list (whatever kind) contact my help at Usertalk:The Jujugoe. I like making and stylizing the comments. 72.144.183.250 19:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Out of curiousity, what ever happened to the bit about Evan Rachel Wood's father being a Christian and mother a convert or something confusing like that. It's all over the wikimirrors. 72.144.183.250 20:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow. That's a lot of effort put into it. I dunno how long it takes wikimirrors to update. A lot of novice users re-copy bad information. I wish there was a way to ban wikimirrors. Anyway, you didn't really respond to my offer at sourcing. I was thinking maybe whenever you're up for it we do List of Jewish American composers. It's a little messy in my opinion. 72.144.183.250 20:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Great. Well there's no need to hurry it. I'll just inform you if/when I start. 72.144.183.250 21:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Dakota
Particularly the little slogan at the bottom. Michael 18:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Blocking
I haven't received an e-mail from you, please resend. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  19:29, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not getting anything. Are you sending to radiokirk(at)fastmail(dot)fm? RadioKirk (u|t|c)  19:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright got that one. While I'm looking this up, have you tried to e-mail Acadamenorth? RadioKirk (u|t|c)  19:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind. No block shows but I've unblocked the IP as collateral damage yet again ;) RadioKirk (u|t|c)  19:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, probably not :S RadioKirk (u|t|c)  20:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

About.com
Once while sourcing, I saw you actually used them once some time ago. I was quite surprised. Michael 20:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Aside from trivia sites, I don't think anything calls Amurri an Italian-American, as her father is from Italy. Therefore, most sources typically say she is the daughter of Susan Sarandon and Franco Amurri, or, at best, that she is the daughter of Susan Sarandon (who is half Italian) and Italian director Franco Amurri.  Because her father is from Italy, few things would probably just say that she is an Italian-American due to the fact that they can be more specific by referencing her parent(s). Michael 20:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't remember who you sourced with it (it wasn't the genealogy site), but it may have been something from an interview... Michael 20:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Nowhere do they state that they need to be specific about such a matter. Michael 23:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, but Ricci is part Italian, nonetheless. You'll notice they also list Lara Flynn Boyle, who's basically in the same situation as Ricci.  They acknowledge Italian-Americans as Americans of Italian descent.  Ricci is certainly part Italian. Michael 23:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not if one is using it as a reference to see who is of Italian descent. Michael 23:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

A quick move
Hi Jack. I noticed that if we moved List of Czech Jews to List of Jews from Czechoslovakia we would only have to drop two names Ignaz Moscheles and Franz Kafka, both of who are on the Austrians list anyway. It's a quick solution. 72.144.158.14 01:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Yea, do you think its a good plan? I unfortunately get signed off almost automatically whenever I'm logged in on wikipedia - a cookies issue. I'll see if I can make the movie anyway, its usually delayed. 72.144.158.14 01:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Is there an issue with Kafka being on the list? I don't see why he can't be. I wasn't sure when he died. 72.144.158.14 01:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I know. I still don't see exactly whats wrong with the way it is. Do you? 72.144.158.14 01:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I would just prefer to leave it the way it is. Does "Czech and Bohemian" mean they have to be both CZECH and BOHEMIAN or CZECH or BOHEMIAN. If it's CZECH and BOHEMIAN then we leave out tons of Moravians/Silesians. If its CZECH or BOHEMIAN then we add a bunch of names that are already on other lists. 72.144.158.14 01:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Megan Ewing
I din't move her back. That wasn't in my edit. Something's obviously having problems. Michael 06:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I only just saw your reversion. I didn't click on it before. Michael 06:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I've had some strange experiences on here. Twice, edits have gone through and shown up in the history, but whatever was stated somehow never actually appear in the article. Michael 06:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I went to the graveyard to wish dead things dead...Actually, one such example is when I added Alexandra Cabot to the Cabot disambig. page, and at first, there was no change to the page. I reinstated the info. in the same spot, and it went through, showing no change to the page as if it had already been there (though, of course, it shows no changes at all ). Michael 06:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Certainly not an 18 hr. difference! Aside from that, you cannot make edits without making some type of change.  If it was already registering as being there, the edit would not have gone through.  I don't know...It's just weird. Michael 06:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Even that's not very specific. Michael 06:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

According to IMDb? Michael 07:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd actually never even heard of him. Michael 07:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I don't watch Lost. I know about a lot of people (not just from TV), but neither Grabeel nor Lilly are ones I know of, though I may have heard Lilly's name before. Michael 07:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Mariano Barbosa
Mariano Barbosa have Italian passport. Matt86hk  talk  07:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Noah Fleiss
I'm not sure if this is reputable, but I did find something... (look toward the bottom) http://movies.go.com/movies/review?name=brick_2006&genre=drama&studio=Focus%20Features

-Bri 12:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Lindsay Lohan
Since you had posed the question, I thought I'd mention that I left the marginal entry about Harry Morton intact because there are several pictures of them hand-in-hand. :) RadioKirk (u|t|c)  15:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Stephen Colbert
The article did include information on Stephen Colbert being Irish. If it is no longer in there that means it was removed as vandalism and no one ever caught it. He should remain in the Irish-American actors category. 75.3.60.23 18:51, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Have you seen my list of..
Hi there. I was just looking at your most recent page contributions, including Umar Bhatti, and I was just wondering if you would like to help me out.

I have a list of missing cricketers on my User page. Some of these include Canadian cricketers such as Zahid Hussain and George Codrington and the like who have played in tournaments such as the ICC Trophy. I've got most of their names by searching Cricket Archive and the like. Just wondering whether you were interested in looking at them. Thank you. Bobo. 19:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

MadJack said: What do you mean they were missing? Were did they go? :)

When I say missing, they never really have existed in the first place, but they need Wikipedia articles written on them. I will start work as best as I can. Sorry for the confusion. Bobo. 19:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Spacing
As it is now, there are spaces between the end of the name/occupation and the citation for the majority of them after that point. It lacks conformity. Michael03:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Please refer to the bottom of my talk page. A new discussion has erupted.  Perhaps you could help to shed some more light onto the topic for this user. Michael04:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * He just redirected WASP to Jew. This is getting ridiculous. Michael 04:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I ended up reporting that user.  In regards to the spacing, what I have read has said it must follow the punctuation, and I've seen it applied with both a space and no space, so I don't know if it matters.  The page just needs a bit more conformity in regards to that, though. Michael 05:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and Sophia Bush also became a member of the Bush family with that user's edits. Don't worry; it's been reverted. Michael 05:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, in Kennedy's time he was not considered a WASP, but by today's standards (and today's usage), he certainly is. That just goes back and shows you when WASP had a literal definition that no longer applies to the same degree. Michael 05:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, no one I know has a Wikipedia account, nor do they know I have one. That made it all the more strange with the statements made by that individual. Michael 05:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And as for the urban dictionary, that was the first site I saw that backed up the usage on the page. Nonetheless, it expresses the definition as today, and that was my sole aim, as the user seemed to believe I was entirely wrong about needing to report verifiability, though that is, after all, one of the things that Wikipedia is established on. Michael 05:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I saw the archive. Michael 05:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I just saw it. Michael 05:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The WASP vandal has returned. Michael 06:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * He doesn't like that one cannot break Wiki policy, addressing it as "bs". You may want to head over there to inform him as to the reason he cannot develop his own definition for WASP.  My efforts have failed. Michael 07:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Since the block took effect, he has posted. Michael 07:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I would certainly hope not. Michael 07:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Danny O'Rourke
I don't remember anything about him being Irish. His family is fairly well off, his mother is a spanish teachers and his father a businessman. If he was Irish, he never made news of it. Rkevins82 13:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * We went to the same high school. He's brilliant.  Tough life.Rkevins82 17:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

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Hilarie Burton
Hey, I wanted your opinion on something... I rewrote the Hilarie Burin article in an effort to make it look better and to get rid of the trivia section. But, as soon as I updated it, someone reinstated the trivia. Most of it is now within the text of the article. The rest (near the bottom of the article), I maintain, is unencyclopedic and worthless. What should I do? Can I do a deletion vote deal for THAT section? Cuz, I mean, really, is the fact that her nickname is H-Bomb and she is born a week apart from her costar worth mentioning? -

YES!, that is IDEAL! I'm so happy to not see any Trivia :-) -

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Unabomber
Yes, he was absolutely psychotic. Michael 08:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Italian-American politicians
This category was previously deleted; please do not recreate it. Postdlf 16:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * To interject here, doesn't that seem a bit odd? We can have Category:Irish-American singers and Category:Italian American actors, but not Category:Italian-American politicians? Michael 21:56, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Deletion doesn't make sense when you consider the other categories (and how many Italian-American politicians we have listed). Michael 21:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

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Photos

 * It has just come to my attention that we have a Category:Irish-American politicians. Granted such, either we should be able to have Category:Italian-American politicians or neither should exist. Michael 01:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

But then what's to prevent an admin. (the one above, for example) from deleting it again? Michael 05:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Then I'm surprised the Category:Italian American actors wasn't deleted, too, since it originally was in that deletion vote. Michael 05:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So if this were made without a hyphen, that still seems problematic. To most people, it would seem the same. Michael 05:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Then again, it's possible he didn't see it due to the hyphen. If he was looking through AfDs and saw a deleted item was once more blue instead of red, that may have been the impetus for the change. Michael 05:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Michael 05:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The Irish-American politicians still hyphenate. Michael 05:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. See it here. Michael 05:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If we have the list, why this too? Michael 06:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * For the politicians, most of the sources are on the list. You may want to go to the list and make some changes with the categories of the politicians. Michael

And we should pursue that...once we have all of the categories changed. I'm just starting Nevada. There are a lot left. You should do some, too. Michael06:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Why don't you do New York to Rhode Island? I did the rest. Michael 06:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Jack Black (actor)
Hello. You seem to edit this article quite a lot, and you might wish to add your name to the maintained template on the talk page. I have already added mine, but since you edit the article frequently, you might also wish to do so. Thanks and regards, Iola k</b> ana |<sup style="color:orange;">T  15:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Alex Crockford
Excuse me, how can you think this guy didn't appear in Movie 3? As regular Harry Potter editors know, DON'T trust IMDB. And in any case-next time merge to Minor actors and actresses in Harry Potter. I'm sure you know of a lot of extras that are in the Harry Potter films and have pages as they should have. I've gotten the matieral back and I'm going to merge it with the Minor actors and actresses page. And surley, who do you think played Charlie Weasley if he didn't? C  a  rm  el  apple  19:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, O.K. But if you go to the IMDB page and you click more cast or whatever it's called don't you see Crockford's name? C  a  rm  el  apple  19:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * We should add him. C  a  rm ; el  apple  23:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The ethnicity categories are going mad...
Someone is now making Italian-American women cats. and all. Go here. I'm asking that all the new ones be merged into the old ones. Michael 00:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You might want to go there and voice your opinion. If someone is "browsing" as the creator of those categories has said, then why do they need gender division?  If you're browsing an ethnicity list, then you needn't browse ethnicity lists by gender. Michael02:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Polish-Americans

 * Well, that's a very interesting factoid. Anyway, in Ace Young, how much do you think should be said in Career?  American Idol, of course, has been the largest part of his career, yet the following sections discuss his time on Idol. Michael 05:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In which section do you think those (external critical analyses) should be placed? Michael 05:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not much exists from the performances (I guess the reviews were just in news articles which are now gone). All that remains are the sexuality speculation blogs and whatnot. Michael 05:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you see anything else that needs to be changed right now? Also, do you think post-Idol should come before the performances?  The performance template is pretty big. Michael 05:45, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...And wow - you're now coining verbs, lol? Michael 06:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, so he's not, apparently...This is what I found:

"FAITH FACTS Leaving aside the question of which team Ace plays on, there's also the question of which church he worships in, another minor obsession in cyperspace. Posting on aceyoung.net on March 3, someone named Connie assured a previous poster that Ace is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a.k.a. Mormons. She knows, she wrote, because "when he was little, he went to church where I went. He was quiet and well-behaved."

But dad Jay says Ace is not a Mormon -- "He's a nondenominational Christian." He is also, says Jay, "a hard-working, aspiring artist and as nice a guy as you'll ever meet." In fact, "he was a Boy Scout," says Ace's maternal grandfather Mills Whitney, 87, of Newhall, Calif., a small town north of L.A.'s San Fernando Valley."
 * It's in a forum, but it's a news article that someone posted in a forum; it's nowhere else. Michael 06:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Anything else? Michael 06:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure...Have all the main concerns been met in your opinion? Michael 06:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I edit Katharine McPhee, too, and I agree with you, but the concerns in this one were listed and therefore easier to address. Why don't you write to McPhee's mother? Michael06:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, did you ever write to Catherine Crier? Michael 06:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In person or over the Internet? And is it 50% for her? Michael 06:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sarah Jessica Parker's article says her mother may have been Jewish? Do they not know? Michael 06:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, I found sources for those two things on Ace Young. Michael 06:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, one wouldn't assume someone with the last name "Parker" was Jewish in most cases. Michael 06:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Black depends...I know one "Black" who's 100% German. Michael 06:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Or it might have been something like "Blach" or "Block". Michael 06:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Which category do you think we should use for Young's religion? Michael 07:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * A category for two?... Michael 07:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

There are no broader categories into which that presently falls? Michael 07:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's for those who "make Christian music". Michael 07:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Mad Jack
Is/Was this you at one time? Michael 07:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * nt? Michael 07:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. Is there a reason you needed to change? Michael 07:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. Thanks for explaining. Michael 07:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Katharine McPhee
Nowhere is it discussed. When I first saw it posted on the AI forum, I inquired, and no one knew, even though someone had just said it. Michael 03:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I bet it will... Michael 03:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Name
I changed my account name, so I'll revise the edits on your account page so they link to the new one. Michael 05:11, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What was Ellen? Michael 09:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Maiden name? Michael 09:05, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So you don't know that she's not, then? Michael 09:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Conflict
You and Redvers seem to have a conflict. I have not looked into this situation at all (I have no idea if either side is "right") but I'd like to ask that you both take a step back and cool off for a few hours. If you still have a conflict after that, please feel free to use me as a mediator. On the other hand, you may already have resolved matters sufficiently. --Yamla 22:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not currently investigating the problem so my comments are about a related issue, not the matter at hand. But please consider emailing me if you are unable to edit because of an autoblock.  I can remove blocks as I am an admin and would do so for collateral damage (assuming I'm not violating policy).  Additionally, have you considered adding a comment at the top of the IP address discussion page indicating that you, a legitimate editor, share this IP address with vandals and so any blocks should be applied only to the anonymous IP and/or only for a short time?  I don't know what IP address it is so I don't know if there's a prominent comment there.  If you let me know aobut the IP, I'll monitor it.  You may not want to do that, however, for privacy reasons.  Also, despite how annoying this is, I implore you to remain civil and assume good faith.  I will do what I can to help limit the collateral damage from this in the future.  You are a valuable editor and I'd hate to lose you over this.  Redvers is also a valuable editor, mind you; I'm not taking sides here.  --Yamla 22:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

My Keira Knightley edit
Hey, what i was trying to do, was reflect the fact the she has recently finished work on "Atonement". When i tried to save that, it told me that the monstersandcritics.com link that was being used as a source was spam, so i removed it hoping that someone could add a new source for that info. Although, in actualy fact they are not living together so it's a bit of a moot point. I'm going to go back and try and edit the "Atonement" info, but if Wikipedia will let me, i will of course naturally let the monsters and critics source stay. Amo 03:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Non-Denominational Christians
But aren't they basically alternative (i.e. not fitting into other cats.)? Michael 05:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm just cutting down on the personal things...Um, oh yes, your comment. Do you think we should actually make a category if it's just for the miscellaneous? Michael 05:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But they're Christians without any further specific affiliation. That seems to be a bit controversial to just stick them all together. Michael 05:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I may get to that later. Michael 05:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Channing Tatum
Heheh, sorry about that, but peoplr are always writing random stuff on Tatum's page. Unsourced, I assumed it was BS. Did you see what was written earlier today about his sexuality? I assumed it was BS as well, and wrote about it on the talk page. -FateSmiled&amp;DestinyLaughed 18:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Out of curiousity I did google it, more than once, and haven't been able to come up with anything besides unsourced Wikipedia crap, blogger wishful thinking, and other mess from gossip sites. -FateSmiled&amp;DestinyLaughed 18:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Help: my suspicions over a new vandal
You know the "Jumper" rumour that was added to ScarJo's page? Someone did that over at Mishca Barton too: The posts on the IMDb forums are under different names but both wiki edits wre done by user: 124.177.218.132, so either it's someone being sneaky on IMDb but lazy on Wikipedia, or user 124.177.218.132 is acting in good faith on the IMDb "scoops". Should we leave on a warning message on 124.177.218.132's talk page? Amo 20:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC) Okaaaay, it's just that i'm not very good at these things, and i don't think i'd be able to grapple with anyone intent on widespread vandalism here. Amo 20:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

User page suggestion
I came across your page today, and had the idea that you should display your awards on a separate user subpage. 12.74.43.143 04:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Collateral damage again. I can not stress this enough. User:Acadamenorth simply must be unblocked. As long as he is blocked, half the time I try to edit the "Autoblocked" message re-appears. No, clearing the IP doesn't work. Neither, for the most part, does finding the autoblock and removing it (as User:Yamla has tried to do). The whole autoblocked game has been going on with me since January, first with a batch of anon vandal users, and now this. Enough already. 'Enough'. UNBLOCK Acadamenorth. Mad Jack 07:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well no autoblocks for that user outstanding at the moment, unblocking the IP directly is a good way to removed autoblocks, so if it recurs post that information (or blocking the IP Anon Only also takes higher precedence than autoblocks and would enable you to edit). --pgk( talk ) 17:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Pete Miser
Thanks for correcting my unfounded assertion that Pete Miser was born in 1956 and again in 1992. Oops! &mdash;Serein 08:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Samuel L. Jackson
It looks like this is all I ever talk to you about, but that's alright. Are you helping to get the article to Good Article status? I see on your user page that you have helped put articles on both the Featured and Good article lists. I tried to get this one nominated for good article status, but it needs more citation. I'm assuming you already know that since you have reworked the page recently. As of right now does the page appear as if it can reach good article status, or does it need even more citations. Let me know, I'll try to work this page as much as I can this week to get it to good article status. Also, does it have the potential for Featured Article, or does that require even more clean-up. Let me know, thanks. --Nehrams2020 20:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Birth records
How are you able to access people's birth records so easily? I'd like to look up my own. MrBlondNYC 03:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Isabel Lucas
Jack O'Lantern, I was wondering where you found out that: 'Isabel is leaving Home & Away in late October/ early November as her charcter Tasha Andrews was killed off by the cult responsible for getting her pregnant.' I would really like to know where you got that info. Serenacw 09:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

BLP on Talk pages, not Main
Ooops, thanks for the fix. -- Tomlouie | talk 17:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Isabel Lucas
Actually,on the Isabel Lucas page history,it showed yesterday that you were the last person to edit it.I then checked it this morning and the last edit was made by an I.P address.I am still not sure what is going on since according to the page,you were the last edit on August 22.Serenacw 00:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

You know, it wouldn't hurt to do a two-second Google search...
Like with the Marty Schottenheimer article, he has said consistently that he's of German-American descent, although it's not in the article, a two-second Google search reveals many sources saying it is. Before reverting, why not try searching first?--Folksong 00:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

John C. Reilly
John C. Reilly has never referred to having a Lithuanian mother. The Guardian interview with him says he does, but he never said anything about it in the interview. 75.2.247.21 04:14, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

There are no other sources that make that claim and he has never referenced it himself. One source is not good enough. 75.2.247.21 03:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Martha Stewart of Polish origin
Of course! Her parents were (are? her mother still lives) Polish immigrants to the US! Read antyhing about Martha's biography, f.e. at her website marthastewart.com :P ;) Her surname 'Stewart' is from her husband. She was born as Kostyra, a Polish girl ;)

Marha Stewart
Oh my God, can't you find something? :P a lazy wikipedian http://www.marthastewart.com/page.jhtml?type=learn-cat&id=cat653&navLevel=4 "Q: What is Martha’s heritage, and where are her parents from? A: Martha is of Polish descent; both her parents’ families emigrated from Poland. Martha’s maiden name is Kostyra (ko-STY-ra)."

Bismillah Khan INCOTW tag
Hello. You made this edit. Can you please explain to me why the tag should be on talk page only. Such a tag is a norm followed by all the COTWs at wikipedia and followed at WP:INCOTW too. I don't see anything particularly wrong about it. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:07, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. I was just curious. The tag would remain for only a week, so no problem with it. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 20:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:Lsobieski.jpg
Image:Lsobieski.jpg was being used solely to depict Leelee Sobieski, not to provide critical commentary on the film. I orphaned the image. --Yamla 21:21, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Michael Lucas formatting
Hi - you made a change to Michael Lucas (porn star) that I don't understand; I'm just looking for an explanation of what it does. You changed this:, without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
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