User talk:Jack forbes (renamed)/Archive 1

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Re:Hi
You discuss on the talk page whatever issue is bothering you. A good guide is BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, which you may benefit from reading. Happy editing and all the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 13:55, 6 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not ignoring you Jack. I'll respond to talk page messages in good time if a reply seems necessary, but it's not always the first thing I do when I come on the pedia. I responded to your first message, and your second didn't necessitate a response. I read it though, don't worry. Is that user box still bothering you? Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 20:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Scottish & British
Hi, the way I look at being British is the same way I look at being European. If the UK left the EU I wouldn't stop being European, nor would be any less allowed to be proud of European achievements through the years.

Similarly, if the UK breaks up I wouldn't consider myself any less British or proud of British achievement. I guess I just see British as being a geographic term. Although I would never be niave enough to use it to describe people from the RoI. Though possible in the future once there is no British State, British will return to just meaning just "of the British Isles" Scroggie (talk) 18:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's to improve the article Scotland, by making it more accurate (i.e. have it's map show it's a part of the UK). Honestly, I'm not a Unionist conspirator going around UK related articles with an evil laugh. PS- Along with wanting to improve the article? I'm also a consistancy buff. GoodDay (talk) 14:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * PS- I just want to note, in all the discussions at Scotland & the relating articles. I've rarely (if ever) have engaged in 'edit warring'. I've kept my differances on the 'talk pages'. GoodDay (talk) 15:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's regrettable that 'sides' do form, in these situations. GoodDay (talk) 16:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Content not contributors
Pretty much every one of your comments on talk pages concentrates on the contributor(s) not the content being discussed. Messages like this imply bad faith on the part of others which is against Wikipedia's principles outlined at WP:AGF. Just because a body of users take a simillar stance, that does not mean there is bad faith editting.

Anyway, some of your contributions to talk pages would be more constructive discussing the issues at hand, not the motives or politics you think may be behind it. Who knows, you may even convince someone round to your perspective. There is a person at the other end of the signature and established users usually have best interests at heart, which is certainly the case with myself. --Jza84 | Talk  00:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you point out where I've "rehashed an old arguement" in bad faith? Again, this doesn't address the content but is focussed on the contributor. Discussion is a fundamental part of how Wikipedia works; if one cannot challenge material, the project would be rather unsustainable would it not? Users who focus on "personalities" rather than material aren't likely to develop good relationships on Wikipedia. Certainly taking this stance just takes the spotlight off bettering articles and is more likely to cause harm via anger and/or upset due to personal attacks. One should be able to support their point of view through sound and scholarly debate rather than point a politicised finger surely? --Jza84 | Talk  00:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * My concern, consistently, has been that the word "nation" is used incorrectly. It has nothing to do with nationalist or unionist politics, it's a matter of good practice and proper English. If you must know, to me (and source material it seems), the English and Scottish folk are nations, but the territories they occupy are countries (albeit within a country). It's not a matter of "denying nationhood", I just find the term objectionable as a geographer contributing towards a modern, international encyclopedia. Perhaps that makes my concerns clearer. --Jza84 | Talk  00:58, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Scotland
Hello Jack. Inge was reverting a revert by an anon editor. As for myself, I thought UKPhoenix79's map had been accepted by the article (too optimistic, I guess) - thus my reason for reverting anon's reverts. GoodDay (talk) 15:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought most editors had accepted UKPhoenix's map (at least until the anon's reverts). Also, Rab-k & SFC haven't been participating in the discussions lately (thus giving me the impression they silently accepted the new map). As I informed Jz84, it gets disheartening when myself & others are faced with animosty accompanied with Unionist agenda charges (which the anon has accused me of). GoodDay (talk) 15:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

What ya mean by Hang on there? GoodDay (talk) 16:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Okie Dokie, have fun. GoodDay (talk) 16:08, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * As long as you're not calling me a troll (which SFC has done twice, at his personal page)? I'm quite content with opposing views. GoodDay (talk) 17:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Mediation for Scotland article
As an agreement between editors at Scotland seems ever more unlikely, some users have decided to contact mediation. However, mediation require the acceptance of all involved parties. Would you be willing to accept? Thanks for your compliance...--Cameron (t|p|c) 21:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

protest vote
I understand your protest removing yourself from the strall poll. However, it should be pointed out that even if our particular viewpoint is not shared by the majority of current editors, our viewpoint counts. What if I create another option known as the protest option, where you could protest the lack of compromise demonstrated by the current poll? ♦Drachenfyre♦ · Talk 02:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Map at Scotland
Hi there, I would appreciate if you would revert your recent revert to this article (returning it to the version I unprotected it as). Stability is key to a good article, and content disputes should be discussed on the article talk page until consensus is reached. It is of no real consequence what map is left on the current version... It will be considered the wrong version by many. By letting it be you show that your are engaging in the process, save our readers from disruption and avoid further escalation of the matter. Thanks/wangi (talk) 19:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Granted, GoodDay's edit got in the way. He's now reverted back to the version I was asking you to revert to. Please let that be the end of it. I do not want to protect the article and prevent the edits it really needs to improve it, or resort to blocking normally constructive editors. Thanks/wangi (talk) 19:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit summaries
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary.

Furthermore, there's a discussion on the talk page about that last edit of yours. Editting to preference without citation, justification or commenting is likely to enrage others (like me!). Seriously, please don't assert nation over country given the material on the talk page. If you have a reliable, governmental source that Scotland is a nation, please bring it to talk. --Jza84 | Talk  15:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, WP:V trumps things here. Do you have a governmental source that Scotland is a nation before we continue? --Jza84 | Talk  16:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Tharkuncoll gave an online, American English definition yes! The site he gave listed 10 definitions, but he alluded to just the one that suited his preference. Ultimately, Scotland is not a group of people, it's a country; what's so objectionable about that? It's what other encyclopedia's, atlases, governmental sources use. Why do you seek to say that Scotland is a group of people, without any reliable citation? It doesn't serve any purpose, patriotic or otherwise! --Jza84 | Talk  16:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Irish journalist
He does exist, "Paul Williams (Irish journalist)", I read your input on Deacons page. Poor chap, he's getting a right bashing on his bio page. Most of the stuff is true, the Monk, and the General etc, they really exist, the General was shot dead in inter-gang warfare. Big problems on Wikipedia with BLPs. 78.19.188.146 (talk) 17:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Headings
If I understand you correctly, this happens when you edit the section directly (e.g.) rather than from the tab at the top of the page. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 19:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Of trolls and sockpuppits
Jack we could all be feeding a troll so I suggest we back off a bit and let them shoot themselves (unless they reverse out evidence). See here  Suspected sock puppets/Iamandrewrice (2nd)

Presumptions - Wales, countries etc.
I think it is you who presume too much. I do not support the renaming of constituent country. All I said on my talk page I'd give my opinion which I all ready declared as being going towards a sort of split with the subdivisions of the United Kingdom article. I don't care about the constituent countries article I wanted to divert attention from it as I thought it was irrelevant and as I wanted to sort out the Wales article which is a mess! Seriously, the proposed intro doesn't say anything about Wales not being a country! Principality is not in front of country because it is more important (???), its just for the flow if the sentence. Wales is defined as one by the UN and called as such a lot. It deserves to be there along with county. This compromise is about showing all the sides. Also who said a prinicipality isn't a country either? WikipÉIRE'' \(caint) 13:11, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the support Jack. I notice that since the sockpuppet label went up the activity has stopped! --Snowded (talk) 05:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Scotland Debate
Thanks for telling me about the vote.This sounds stupid but can I take part? --Duckie for broadway (talk) 18:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Jack. The recent disputes at Wales (which I took little part in), zapped me of any hope of consistancy. GoodDay (talk) 22:40, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * UK Prime Minister must be listed above all First Ministers. There can be no other way around it. If Harper were added to the Canadian provinces & territories respective articles Infoboxes? His position would takes prominances, over the 13 premiers. GoodDay (talk) 22:59, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. We'll agree, to disagree. GoodDay (talk) 23:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * PS- I'm just gonna make 'one comment' at Wales & Northern Ireland (if you bring your First Minister proposal there, aswell). Thus allowing others to comment on it, afterwards. GoodDay (talk) 23:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Scottish independance
A genuine inquiry - from someone who really does not have any axe to grind - why Scottish independence? Is it just "we are Scottish, and up the English"? or is there more to it. Looking at it from afar there seems little practical reason - maybe a greater share of North Sea oil?, and honestly travelling around Britain, there seems little enough difference between Scotland and England, once you get beyond kilts, bagpipes and heather. As I said, a genuine enquiry, why do you want independence? --Michael Johnson (talk) 06:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer. Interesting. As for the republican vote - the vote came out of a convention, which adopted a model whereby a president would be chosen by joint sittings of Parliament, with similar powers and status to the GG now. A significant minority of the republicans wanted a directly elected president - and some of the more vocal convinced themselves if they voted against the republic now they might get direct elections later. The monarchists saw this as their best chance - so they campaigned for a directly elected president! The Queen hardly got a mention. The vote was therefore a vote against the model, not against a republic. Irony is, if the vote was "we are having a republic, which model would you want", most monarchists would support the more conservative model. So the republic was wedged. Everybody knows this, so next time around there will be a different approach. I guess the direct-election republicans didn't expect our late PM to hang around for so long, both his no. 2 and of course the Leader of the Opposition were republicans, so I expected most people thought it was only a matter of time. --Michael Johnson (talk) 10:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hard to say. Labour policy is for a new series of referendums, but there is no sign they are in any hurry. It needs a hero to push it onto centre stage and at the moment I don't see one. It will come back up, but don't hold your breath. --Michael Johnson (talk) 13:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Edits to Wales Info Box
Changes look fine to me Jack, not sure what colons would add --Snowded (talk) 21:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Only Wikipiere against the rest of Jack, so I think its time. Most of the energy game from the sock puppet. There seems to be a strange nationalist cabal, which takes a unionist position but claims to be for independence. I don't know what is going on but I think Wales and Scotland will get caught up from time to time and we just need to defend as it happens--Snowded (talk) 21:46, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Constituent country, out
Scotland and England articles, have rejected that term. Whatabout Wales and Northern Ireland? GoodDay (talk) 22:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool; but whatabout 'Northern Ireland'? GoodDay (talk) 22:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 22:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Clarify - what did I do? GoodDay (talk) 23:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I figured I had it at England and Scotland; so why not Wales (even though it hasn't been removed there, yet). I'll add it to Northern Ireland if/when the subject is brought there. My hopes of consistancy across those 4 articles, evaporated weeks ago. GoodDay (talk) 23:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll just post my RIP Constituent country thingy. Personally, I prefer constituent country for all 4 articles. But don't worry, my guess is NI will quickly adopte country and also put their First Minister above the UK PM. Actually IMHO, had you requested those two changes to all 4 articles all at once? Northern Ireland would've been the first to adopt you proposals. GoodDay (talk) 23:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

On the contraty - NI hasn't responded to your First Minister/UK PM proposal yet. Go figure. GoodDay (talk) 23:44, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I rather keep constituent country; but I won't fight its removal. In a way, I'm sorta supporting your proposals, by not opposing them. GoodDay (talk) 23:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hope I was not the subject of your latest comment on talk wales! --Snowded (talk) 15:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not surprised that constituent country is preferred at Wales. However, I'm flabergasted that it has been accepted at England & not responded to atall at Northern Ireland. I'd of expected NI to be the first to accept the change & Eng to reject it. GoodDay (talk) 15:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipiere a Sockpuppet Master? I didn't know that. GoodDay (talk) 13:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm disappointed. GoodDay (talk) 14:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipiere has explained to me, that his sock-puppeting was a mistake (which he regrets). I'm AGF on his part, that he won't create anymore socks. PS- Guess I'm just an old softy. GoodDay (talk) 14:47, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * All I did was move the page to a title without quotes (using quotes puts it in main article space, rather than userspace), and then deleted the redirect. I've fixed the reference above.  NawlinWiki (talk) 00:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Peek-a-boo
At times I like to check up on the Editors I know. PS- If you feel offended in anyway, by my butting in? I apologies. GoodDay (talk) 23:13, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob; giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 23:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Cool. GoodDay (talk) 23:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Peek-a-boo II
Thanks Jack. GoodDay (talk) 22:48, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It was minor surgery. But now, I'm back to being abnormal. GoodDay (talk) 14:51, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to Wikipedia? I can no longer enjoy a book (I'm always looking for mistakes). But overall, it's a cool creation by Jimbo. GoodDay (talk) 15:14, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Votes
Fully agree with you, Great Britain and Northern Ireland is an anachronistic term. I use UK, but there again I was brought up (mixed Welsh working class and Irish Republican family) to call NI the Six Counties and went on a lot of the civil rights marches in my teens ..... --Snowded (talk) 01:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

BI
G'day, Jack. I also think Salmond is doing a very fine job but he does speak about an association of the independent states of the British Isles and its expressed in the SNP manifesto. Now Wikipeire has his views but not all Irish people do, but if the response he got here at the ROI talk is anything to go by then he doesn't have a lot of support. I used the term DGAF first so no offence taken at all. Cheers, --Bill Reid | Talk 09:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Luck
Thanks! It's certainly a biggie tonight! I really wanted tickets (City of Manchester Stadium is only down the road really), but alas, fate conspired against me!... the league's hard to follow down in here in Angleland, but thankfully the UEFA cup final is kind of unmissable. Finally folk round here will understand what a real team's about, including my beloved family! --Jza84 | Talk  11:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The tents they put on down are are amazing! I know when fans come to the city they're normally blown away by the city centre. The preparations were on the regional news last night and I was really jealous! I haven't seen the city that excited under the sun since.... grrrrrrrrrr. --Jza84 | Talk  11:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't have to say anything... although I'm rather glad I didn't go to the tents! --Jza84 |  Talk  22:11, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:Diffferences
If you follow the conversation you'll see that Sarah doesn't hold that differences between Scotland, England, etc, to be important, everyone not in the Republic of Ireland is British or Anglo-American or some other abstract category she has taken a fancy to. She probably hasn't really thought about it if I were to guess, and has a distinct Irish perspective (it's pretty much only the Irish that use the term British for English when every other country in the world tends to have a preference for "England"). Indeed, being pro-Scottish is not anti-Englishness, and no reasonable person would think that. Can you enable your email btw? Thanks. Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 15:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * G'day Jack. Regarding your input at Sarah777's page you mentioned a tv debate between Salmond and Alexander as leaders of their parties at the 2007 election.  You'll recall that Jack McConnell was the leader at that election and who resigned immediately after it.  The debate was a tripartite one that included Nicol Stephen and I really don't remember the Scottish papers being anti-Salmond after it.  Rgds, Bill Reid | Talk 16:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think on the whole, the press and media in general have given the SNP a fair wind (so far) and have even praised some of its policies. Salmond is a canny operator and knows that good policies and delivery of them will gain browny points with the press and public alike. He's in it for the long haul and gaining a chunk of support from the media isn't going to happen over night but steady and good government is the way he sees for his party to gain the support he needs.  It has to be said though that the SNP defence policy worries me not a little and that should they gain independence for Scotland, a lot of people are going to be unemployed.  Anyway enough said about politics, not one of my favourite subjects.  Rgds, Bill Reid | Talk 17:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

My talk page
I fixed my talk page, it wasn't your fault, I mucked something up! I took the liberty of readding your post and am here to reply = ). I am living in Germany at the moment but my nationality is British (meaning Scottish and Sassenach!)...Regards, --Cameron (T|C) 13:31, 20 May 2008 (UTC) By Scottish top, I assume you mean football T-shirt?--Cameron (T|C) 15:03, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

first labour government
Hi there

no big deal! On reading the article, it appeared that this was quite a minor point when what all has been missed out is considered! If you think otherwise, so be it!

Cheers

Fishiehelper2 (talk) 16:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

No suprise
I have been enjoying watching the admins handle his frantic defence - and I agreed to one of his compromises! To think we spent all that time with two sock puppets --Snowded (talk) 15:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC).
 * Oh no! Apparently, Wikipiere has been caught with his socks down. I feel so betrayed. GoodDay (talk) 18:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Typical. you know what i mean!!
Typical somone scottish would delete that article, and by the way, your not the only ones who want idependence!

British Isels
Yep, I sure did get it. It's not the first time for me, probably won't be the last. Emotions are certainly running high, at that article. GoodDay (talk) 15:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Matt is gradually learning, that I'm mostly apolitical & that my major concern is Article stability. Think of it; a republican frequenting monarchy articles? I can't even figure myself out. GoodDay (talk) 15:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I have been following the discussion between you & Matt (at Matt's page). I'm quite disappointed in Matt's uncivil suggestion to you. GoodDay (talk) 22:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Jack Forbes. In answer to your question, I'm sure that the political aspect is one reason - but it's only one of several I've heard and several that come through in the references I've read.  One other common explanation I've heard for objection is simply that it's a misnomer.  In that view Ireland isn't "British".  If the UK still included all of Ireland that objection would still be valid. Wotapalaver (talk) 12:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

To whomever it may concern
I have finished with wikipedia due to bullying tactics and accusations of pro-nationalist POV. In short I got sick and tired of one particular editor! Do as you wish with my user and talk page, I won't be needing it anymore. Jack forbes (talk) 12:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Jack, if you're reading this, I'd urge you to reconsider. Matt Lewis has been totally out of order and has been blocked accordingly.  His behaviour is far from typical of the Wikipedia community, I'm only sorry that the other admins you contacted didn't act sooner.  It may be true that his reaction was provoked, but that's no excuse. Waggers (talk) 12:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Jack reconsider. Matt looses it from time to time and he is not justified in his statements.  I should have come into defend but assumed you were surviving!   Will watch out in future but hand in there we need you --Snowded (talk) 14:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * C'mon Jack, illegitimi non carborundum and get stuck in and don't be put off.  I see you went to Deacon but i notice he already started his wikibreak which was a pity. Bill Reid | Talk 14:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm going to take a break and hopefully come back less stressed out. Jack forbes (talk) 14:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Now, that's more like it. We're stronger with you, Jack. GoodDay (talk) 15:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Jack, me not available for this kinda thing just now. On holiday, which on wiki translates as wikibreak. Sorry 'bout that. :} Deacon of Pndapetzim ( Talk ) 16:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

British Isles
Hello Jack. I'm glad to see you've decided to stick around (Wikipedia). GoodDay (talk) 13:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Me too! = ) --Cameron (T|C) 13:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob. GoodDay (talk) 13:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

It was meant for you. GoodDay (talk) 23:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I had to delete the posting. The anon pushed it down & made it look like I was responding to his 23:08 posting. GoodDay (talk) 23:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

UK
It's Welsh, English, Scottish and Irish. GoodDay (talk) 23:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, I'm Canadian above all. PS- along with the UK, my ancestors also come from France (though I don't speak the French language). GoodDay (talk) 23:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

That's true, my UK/Scottish cousin. GoodDay (talk) 23:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I hear ya. GoodDay (talk) 23:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My earliest known French ancester was born around 1595, in Couperans-en-Brie. GoodDay (talk) 23:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * My direct French ancestor (to my surprise) has a Wikipedia article, see Germain Doucet. -- GoodDay (talk) 00:08, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

His son. GoodDay (talk) 00:17, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm flabergasted over the fact, he's got an article. But it does kinda feel funny & unexpected. GoodDay (talk) 00:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Giggle, giggle. I'm just glad old Germain, didn't have any royal blood in him. If he had? G2bambino & Cameron would never have let me hear the end of it (me being a republican). GoodDay (talk) 00:32, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Please give me
a proper reason as to why "country" is more appropriate than "constituent country". Country is always controversial, since differeng groups suggest differing things, but "constituent country" fits with every POV, and is therefore NPOV. 84.13.166.40 (talk) 12:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Scotland, yet again
Hello Jack. I've been watching the re-newed constituent country -vs- country usage & loving every momment of it. PS- However, I'm staying out of it. GoodDay (talk) 17:57, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Giggle, giggle. GoodDay (talk) 18:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Ya taking a break from that article? Welcome to the side-lines. GoodDay (talk) 19:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Be prepared for anything; heated discussions can quickly become volatile. GoodDay (talk) 21:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

That's what I've been doing, ever since Barryob suggested I was bordering on trolling. GoodDay (talk) 21:56, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Brilliant!
This was a brilliant and strangely eloquent piece of writing! --Jza84 | Talk  00:21, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

British articles & British Isles usage
The British vs Irish disputes, are usually difficult to solve. GoodDay (talk) 22:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I used to bring Irish Sea into the BI arguments, but I was informed there's little disputing over that term. GoodDay (talk) 22:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Ahh oui. GoodDay (talk) 22:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Aussie
Your request was quite reasonable given the circumstances. My comment was really to point out that one citation should really be enough. Two should be plenty now but I suspect that will still not satisfy some people. I hope I didn't come across as grumpy. It's been a bad week. My favourite pet died suddenly last night and we found out that my father's cancer has returned so I've been a bit off. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I said two wouldn't be enough. :( --AussieLegend (talk) 14:30, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Goal-line vs. Bye-line
Technically speaking the goaline is the entire line. The Bye-line is an imformal name. Kingjeff (talk) 01:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

In FIFA's Laws of the Game, there is reference to a goal line. I'm a referee and have yet to see any reference to it being technically called a bye-line. However, I have heard it be called a bye-line on an imformal basis. Kingjeff (talk) 01:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard of it being called a bye-kick. Kingjeff (talk) 01:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you from the British islands? It might be British football terminology. Kingjeff (talk) 01:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Check the section that says in and out of play. It might help with technical terminology. Kingjeff (talk) 01:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Worldwide Soccer Manager 2008 does have reference to bye-line. But I've gone over technical terminology. Kingjeff (talk) 02:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. I've heard the term by-line but I've never heard of a bye-kick.  Glad we got that cleared up.  Have a good one.  Hoops for the 3-peat this year, and maybe a decent Champions League run as well.  4 trophies or bust!  --   Grant  .  Alpaugh  05:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello
Hiya, I'm still hanging on to hope for a solution to the British Isles usage debates. GoodDay (talk) 13:46, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Til then. GoodDay (talk) 16:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Beer
Had trouble reading the label. I hope it's a stout or at least a porter. Lager is for wimps. ;) Durova Charge! 03:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Positions
Hi there, Jack. I'm not sure that the info would be entirely appropriate for the association football article, but it's definitely touched upon in the association football positions article, in which there is a section on tactical evolution. If you feel there is anything in there that needs modifying, please do so. – PeeJay 09:38, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikibreak
I won't be around for a while, got to finish organising and packing for weekend, when I'm off to Australia for a 2 month break. So, g'day, and see ya later cobbers! Jack forbes (talk) 18:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Aussie bound
Thanks Jack & have a great time. "I can ride a kangaroo (yeah, yeah), make kigga juice, too (yeah, yeah)". GoodDay (talk) 20:22, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a song called 'My boomerang won't come back', by Charlie Drake. -- GoodDay (talk) 20:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Howabout 'Mule skinner blues' (the Fendermen's version)? GoodDay (talk) 20:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, but I've heard Donegan's tunes Does your chewing gum... & his version of Rock island line. GoodDay (talk) 20:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

S-a-t-u-r-d-a-y.... They can't be that bad, are they? GoodDay (talk) 21:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * They were so-so (IMHO). By the way, I'm a big-time Beatles fan. GoodDay (talk) 21:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm cool with Mac, too. GoodDay (talk) 21:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Many saw the Cavern performance, but most didn't see it live. For example: I seen it on my Anthology VCR tapes & other archived footages. GoodDay (talk) 21:33, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Yep, those were different times. Jumpin's their rivals/friends The Rolling Stones, had to modify a line in one of their songs, for the Ed Sullivan Show. Instead of Let's spend the night together? they used Let's spend sometime together. GoodDay (talk) 21:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okie Dokie, have fun & don't forget to tie me kangaroo down.... GoodDay (talk) 21:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

You should know...
... about this. During the period of tensions between you and Fone4My, I was distracted by some abuse from, and it now appears that we were fighting on two fronts.

I think you (and I) were actually dealing with one of the most extreme offenders on WP. Therefore, after your WikiBreak I'd like to revisit the conditions of your usership. I believe this new evidence changes the settings and circumstances you faced at the time. If you'd like to pick this up after your wikibreak/holiday, please give me a nudge and we'll talk. Happy holidays! --Jza84 | Talk  19:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I certainly feel after this new evidence has come to light that you are mostly a victim of extreme provocation from a long-term serial abuser who is quite skilled at baiting people. So, the restrictions that were put on you need reassessing, I think.  DDStretch    (talk)  21:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Please forgive me and Matt! You forget about that and have a great holiday. I did see you had gone abroad (!), but wanted to leave a message incase I forgot. Let's pick this up after your hols. It seems DDStretch agrees that we should revisit this, so I guess when you're struggling coping with the Australian wheather, having BBQs, meeting family, at least you can look forwards to a review of the ban. :) Happy travels, --Jza84 | Talk  23:53, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


 * take up the offer Jack, we miss you -- Snowded  TALK  06:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

That's me guys, off to finish packing which will take most of the day, then an early night and off to Aussie the next day. No computers for me for two months, just relaxing and enjoying myself, agggh, the sacrifices I have to make. :) Jack forbes (talk) 12:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome Back, Jack
The chant - Jack is back, Jack is back. Welcome back to the land of Wiki. GoodDay (talk) 23:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering British Isles & Republic of Ireland usage disputes on Wikipedia? same as usual. GoodDay (talk) 23:25, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I hope things will be patched up, between both of you. GoodDay (talk) 23:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As human beings, we all have passions. I've locked horns at Ice hockey articles concerning foreign symbols on NHL personnel names. PS- and I still feel those foreign symbols should be removed; but whatcha gonna do. GoodDay (talk) 23:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

In my area, it's called soccer. Football is the name of a different sport, in my area. GoodDay (talk) 00:01, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * My fav teams (ice hockey) Montreal Canadiens, (baseball) New York Yankees. Just curious, is there football (North American name) in your area called 'soccer'? GoodDay (talk) 00:08, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not a world traveller. I've only left Prince Edward Island roughly 5 times (returning roughly 5 times, aswell) in my 37yrs of existance; honest. GoodDay (talk) 00:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jack. GoodDay (talk) 00:25, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Canuck disputes
I left some advice at Monarchy of Barbados to take their disagreement over that article, to the respective talk-page (advice since erased). Shortly after, I checked up on G2 & PoC & discovered I was too late (with my advice). It's best I refrain from interfering further. It's now in theirs & the Administrators hands (as it should be, I suppose). I hope in my attempts to help, I didn't make things worst. GoodDay (talk) 23:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In any collaborative project with many members, it's only natural for tempers to flair. Afterall, we all posses emotions & passions. PS- I've left both of them an (I hope) upbeat message. GoodDay (talk) 00:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

The cat? GoodDay (talk) 00:11, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I could never hurt my shih-tzu. PS- You should contact Krm500 and Djsasso at WikiProject Ice Hockey; they'll relate to you, how much of a tiger I was there (concerning diacritics usage). GoodDay (talk) 00:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I too, am a reformed editor. My behaviour over diacritics? made me a staunch opponent of edit warring. GoodDay (talk) 00:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

From Sarah777's page
Hiya Jack. It will happen, ya mean Scottish independance? GoodDay (talk) 00:08, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If so? I hope ya'll (the Scots) choose to be a republic. GoodDay (talk) 00:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

That's cool. GoodDay (talk) 00:16, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Republic of Canada
Monarchy or Republic isn't something that's high on the Canadian radar screen. Most Canadians (IMO) don't even know we're a monarchy. In fact, if you asked the average Canuck, who's our Head of State? they'd likely answer back, What's a Head of State?. GoodDay (talk) 23:15, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Canadian Monarchy: As a Canadian republican, I believe the lack of awareness of our monarchy, is why it exists (along with the fact, the monarchy is benign -i.e. no beheadings). Scotland independance: There appears to be an annoyance with what's seen as an English takeover of Scotland. Certainly, Longshanks treament of Scotland, left repercussions felt to this day. GoodDay (talk) 23:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Just an observation. It doesn't appear as though Scottish independance is imminent. I'm guessing the UK isn't that easy to break. GoodDay (talk) 23:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Errr, how much is a 1,000 pounds in Canadian dollars? GoodDay (talk) 23:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

A 1,000 pounds seems like more then I have. So absolutely, Scottish independance is coming soon (perhaps as early as 2009). GoodDay (talk) 00:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The potential loss of 1,000 pounds? makes me quite reasonable. GoodDay (talk) 00:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I know ya wouldn't. But seriously though, I've no clue as to what will happen to Scotland. But at least this time it's in the Scots hands 'solely'. GoodDay (talk) 00:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * William Wallace would be pround. GoodDay (talk) 00:17, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow. GoodDay (talk) 00:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

The Tudors (tv series)
Hiya Jack. Trust me, CBC is very conservative in nature about 'sex' scenes. GoodDay (talk) 17:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * They are indeed. Even the colourful language is strictly managed. GoodDay (talk) 17:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I suspect, The Church Lady is at the CBC controls. GoodDay (talk) 17:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yikes. GoodDay (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia troubles
Hiya Jack. Earlier today, I experienced Wikipedia technical problems. Everytime I went to it (Wikipedia) the Wikimedia Foundation is having problems... page would pop up. That might be causing your troubles; if not, I suggest you contact an Adminstrator for help. GoodDay (talk) 16:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * At times like that, one's page seems to take forever to change. GoodDay (talk) 16:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation is likely having tech difficulties in your area. Give it 'bout a 10-15 mins to straigten itself out. GoodDay (talk) 17:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really. Ya simply create a new account, then inform the Administrators what happened with your old account. Call your new account (if you chose) Jack forbes II & request your old account be deleted. After that, you'd gradually explain to others who you are & were. GoodDay (talk) 17:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Okie Dokie. These things happen. GoodDay (talk) 17:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No prob. GoodDay (talk) 19:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Off Topic
It's easy to get caught up in off-topic discussions when someone says something out outlandish, but actually my comment wasn't really towards you as much as it was towards Vindobona and the immediate response after his. Vindobona had previously been warned of trolling both the United States and European Union articles (also using sockpuppet IP addresses pretending to be separate people); I almost just deleted his comments but felt I may be out of line this time for doing that. Kman543210 (talk) 00:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh ye of more faith than I ;) Kman543210 (talk) 00:57, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Socialism
I decided to talk here as it would be inappropriate to continue this discussion on the USA talk page, but do you really know what socialism is or what it does? National Socialism (aka Naziism) had all the good things you talked about and yet for some reason they had to be destroyed. What's the deal here?Prussian725 (talk) 17:00, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Uhhh...that kinda resembles communism to me. In a capitalist system, the working-class does not need representation to retain its rights because no one is keeping them there but themselves.  In America, if you want to work hard, sacrifice, and make an honest living and work your way to the top...YOU CAN!!!Prussian725 (talk) 03:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

So one minute social democrats are Nazis, the next Communists. Who would have guessed? ;-) --Michael Johnson (talk) 04:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, someones confused! Excuse me while I go goose stepping across red square. ;) Jack forbes (talk) 08:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I worked my way to the top, have more money than you could throw a stick at, and still have a social conscience. PS; Is there really any need to shout? A little bit of calm goes a long way. Jack forbes (talk) 13:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Video NHL games
I make sure I'm on his team (we take on the computer), that way I can win some. GoodDay (talk) 20:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've returned to Wiki-land. GoodDay (talk) 22:52, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

IPs
There's a place (which I forget), but I'm not gonna take it that far. I haven't the energy for it. GoodDay (talk) 22:26, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales
Hi GoodDay, I have asked Jimbo about the ip problem, keep an eye out ,maybe there wil be a solution Jack forbes (talk) 01:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * He may give his view on it. But, he tries to remain one of us on Wikipedia. Though he helped create the project, he doesn't have authority over it. GoodDay (talk) 01:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Not completely true, look at some of the disputes around Peter Damien.  -- Snowded   TALK  05:09, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've checked the discussion at JW's page; your best bets are to go to those pages that were pointed out. As mentioned mandatory registration hasn't gotten much support on Wikipedia. I'm just gonna ignore the IPs who refuse to register in & likely remove myself from any discussions they get too involved in. GoodDay (talk) 13:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * On reflection, I think I will leave it alone, it looks as though there have been numerous discussions on it and I can't see anything changing now.Jack forbes (talk) 20:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * (from Cameron's page) Honestly, JW isn't amune to Wikipedia rules. GoodDay (talk) 20:47, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * By the way, I just thanked JW for creating Wikipedia. Check it out. GoodDay (talk) 21:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 21:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Mark Burchill fastest hat-trick
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-64562738.html

Shows it was the fastest at the time, at least George The Dragon (talk) 18:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

puzzled
Hi Jack. I have no idea what your comment on my talk page is about. Did I miss something? 79.155.245.81 (talk) 23:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Right. It's totally news to me that it might be an issue for Scotsmen!  I never heard of it and confess to some surprise.  Mind you, I remember sitting in several places in Scotland watching the BBC news refer to Manchester as "the north of the country" so I suppose terminology is important in many ways. Anyway, I don't thing going (ref) Jack forbes says so (/ref) would be sufficient. ;-)  79.155.245.81 (talk) 00:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Perfectly possible. It's also perfectly possible that the English will similarly decide that the Union is not worth it and render "British" meaningless in that way.  After all, the net transfers and this business of being ruled by Scotsmen does seem to irk somewhat - south of the border.  What puzzles me most in either event is what would happen to Northern Ireland.  The "Irish" identity would survive but the "British" identity would need re-evaluation.  However, it's all speculation for politics newsgroups and not for WP!  What isn't speculation is that I'm off to bed.  79.155.245.81 (talk) 00:34, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You may well be right. I don't really know much about it and more frequently read London-based rather than Edinburgh based press. 79.155.245.81 (talk) 08:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

JW
Nah! But, we'll still give him a Wayne's World greeting. GoodDay (talk) 19:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I missed that interview. GoodDay (talk) 19:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Holy smokers, that Stephen Fry. He played Walrus Face. GoodDay (talk) 19:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep, General Melchett on Blackadder Goes Forth. Melchett's nickname was Walrus Face. GoodDay (talk) 19:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Melchett's Chief of Staff, Captain Kevin Darling. PS- Did ya notice the actor who played Darling, has different sized ears? GoodDay (talk) 19:39, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * One of his ears was 'smaller'. I wonder if Baldrick, would've had a cunning plan to fix it. GoodDay (talk) 19:46, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Yikes. GoodDay (talk) 19:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You take care, aswell. GoodDay (talk) 22:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wikibreak
Hello there. I will have to get the backing of the community - particularly some of the other involved admins. We can pick this back up on your return if you please? I'm completely indifferent to this whole case - neither good or bad books - so don't worry about that. I'm confident that we can agree to get you back into UK topics on your return. Have a good break. --Jza84 | Talk  10:11, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, I'm also replying to the message you (Jack Forbes) left on my talk page about a wikibreak. To be honest, I have almost forgotten about it all, and I hope your wikibreak will be good and productive. I have no strong feelings either way about your future editing, and think it is best dealt with by a wider discussion, as suggested by Jza84 here, on your return. Have a nice time on your wikibreak!  DDStretch    (talk)  11:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

RfC/U request
A Request for comment/User conduct has been initated here regarding User:Roux (formerly User:PrinceOfCanada). As someone wish past interactions with this user, you are invited to comment. --G2bambino (talk) 17:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)