User talk:Jack mahr

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Hello, Jack mahr, and welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Shalor and I work with the Wiki Education Foundation; I help support students who are editing as part of a class assignment.

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Adding sources
Hello. I am here to talk about the 6 sources I added to the page on Honorary Male and the purpose of the sources. Questions to ask editors or Dr. Smith Can I use a wikipedia article as a source for another wikipedia article I am editing? How do I safely give credit to the sources and intermediary websites I used to find them? 6 sources on honorary male: 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusions_of_Gender Delusions of Gender: How Our Minds, Society, and Neurosexism Create Difference is a 2010 book by Cordelia Fine, written to debunk the idea that men and women are hardwired with different interests. Wikipedia Originally published: August 30, 2010 Author: Cordelia Fine Page count: 338 Genre: Non-fiction Country: United States of America ISBN: 0-393-06838-2

purpose of source: On page 52, the author, Cordelia Fine, explains how"antifemale attitudes" come about in male dominated fields: "The easiest solution to the problem of being female in a setting in which women are made to feel that they are inferior and do not belong is to become as unfeminine as possible."

2)Dorothea Salo, Sexism and group formation Article link: http://cavlec.yarinareth.net/2006/08/28/sexism-and-group-formation/ purpose of source: Language used to describe workplace and complex interactions arise in many forms of media. The more thoughtful the work, the more thoughtful the interpersonal description. Quote from the article:"Meredith used the word “subtle” to characterize sexism in systems librarianship. I’m going to use the word “insidious” instead, and try to explain why. “Subtle” carries the connotation “intentional” to me, and I don’t believe that’s warranted. I don’t know a single librarian of either gender capable of even thinking anything like that absurd Forbes article (which from me gets no linklove, nuh-uh, no way)." 3)Definition of Honorary and Honorary Girl https://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definition/honorary+girl purpose of source: allows for deconstruction and more specific analysis of language use in current period. 4)'Honorary Males' or Women of Substance? Gender, Status, and Power In Iron-Age Europe» link: https://www.academia.edu/358436/Honorary_Males_or_Women_of_Substance_Gender_Status_and_Power_In_Iron-Age_Europe_ Purpose: This source is produced by the Journal of European Archaeology published in 1995 analyzes its current gender issues looking towards power. Quote from first page, "There are three sources of information regarding the social, political, and economic status of women in the European Iron Age." This source also defines many key terms necessary in understanding related categories tied to this article. 5)Lesbian Ethics: Toward New Value Sarah Lucia Hoagland Abstract given by Hoagland Lesbian Ethics seems to address a need for an alternative to heteropatriarchal ethics. That need appears to have two suspect sources: a concept of agency which requires that agents know what is right; and a notion women may have that by being "good" we can escape the degraded status of females and achieve a status of citizeness, or honorary male. Instead of providing such an ethic, the book may show us how to live without it. 6) Working across cultures: a model for practice in developing countries by Barbara Parfitt. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0020748999000383 Purpose of source: My previous sources have theorized the qualms and conditions of honorary male. This source can direct me toward a pragmatic ethic in solving or further problematizing this topic. Keywords Expatriate nursesPrimary health careDeveloping countriesDependenceCultural valuesWorking

Reply
Hi. Shalor (Wiki Ed) is actually the person assigned to your course. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 10:54, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Honorary male
Hi! I wanted to answer the question you had over the article:
 * So far, my page gives historical and basic definitions and examples of the Honorary Male. While it provides a great job with what an honorary male is, I would like to see a section devoted to modes of thinking or acting which might prevent this specific form of sexism. 

I think that this could definitely work as a section, however it needs to be approached very carefully. The sourcing needs to specifically use the term "honorary male" when it discusses ways to avoid this type of thinking. I'm concerned that some of the sourcing doesn't look like it uses this term. The Arnold source is good, but be careful with some of the others. Also, be careful of using dictionary definitions. We can use them if we're backing up a specific dictionary definition but we can't use it as a way to support a claim that isn't in the source. The reason I'm specifying that the sourcing has to use the term is that when it comes to Wikipedia we can only summarize what has already been stated in reliable sources. We can't synthesize new material (ie, original research) by drawing connections or making new theories that aren't explicitly stated in the source material.

One other note with sourcing - be careful, as not all sources are considered to be reliable. Always make sure that the sourcing is independent and reliable and avoid things like self-published sources like blog posts as most of these aren't seen as reliable. To use a self-published source like this you'd need to show where it's been routinely cited as a reliable source by other reliable, authoritative sources. My recommendation is to approach your university's librarian and get them to help you search through their academic databases. Some good places to start are JSTOR (as it's a good catch all) and to check the sociology journals. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:08, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Goals: Continuing with 6 sources from before, especially the Arnold piece, and focusing on articles already using the term "honorary male". My sources need to include the term, rather than indirectly qualify it because, as Shalor said, "We can't synthesize new material (ie, original research) by drawing connections or making new theories that aren't explicitly stated in the source material."

I can continue working in my own new section of the page dedicated to ways of working around the double blind, as well as ways of working against the term honorary term itself. I just have to be careful with what I write and source.

Ok, On October 3rd, 2018, I decided to scrap the Arnold Source because I could not gain access to the full article without paying a fee.

Honorary male - possible typo?
Please verify the contents of the Honorary male section, which you've added in Special:Diff/862562394 on 5 October 2018. Is it actually double blind or double bind, as the preceding section Honorary male calls it...? --CiaPan (talk) 11:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)


 * No comment for one and half a month – replaced: Special:Diff/870449932. --CiaPan (talk) 22:09, 24 November 2018 (UTC)