User talk:Jackandrod

Yale Law School
Hello! I notice that you're having some trouble updating the page. Social media sites are not citeable on wikipedia (per Citing sources, which is what "AdmissionsDean.com" is. I'm happy to wish to dicuss this here or answer any questions you may have. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 22:23, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Markvs88, Thanks for your note -- I'm new to Wikipedia. While AdmissionsDean does have a social component to it, it also has a significant amount of data, reliable (objective) content, and primary source interviews from deans of admissions at U.S. law schools. AdmissionsDean is much like another resource that is heavily cited on Wikipedia (Top-Law-Schools.com) that has a social networking component (i.e., Top-Law-Schools.com is mainly a law school applicant discussion board) as well has having a data/interview/commentary component (which gets cited here). In all fairness, AdmissionsDean.com has far less of a social media component than Top-Law-Schools.com -- the social component of AdmissionsDean.com mainly allows law school applicants to anonymously track one another through the admissions process and that is not what I was citing to.

Edit: Just an FYI, Top-Law-Schools.com is referenced in notes 3, 5 and 6 of the Yale Law School page (as well as on most of the other U.S. law school pages. Jackandrod (talk) 00:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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Hi Markvs88, Thanks for your note -- I'm new to Wikipedia and certainly appreciate the help/feedback. While AdmissionsDean does have a social component to it, it also has a significant amount of data, reliable (objective) content (see, e.g., Yale Law School profile page, and primary source interviews from deans of admissions at U.S. law schools. AdmissionsDean is much like another resource that is heavily cited on Wikipedia (Top-Law-Schools.com) that has a social networking component (i.e., Top-Law-Schools.com is mainly a law school applicant discussion board) as well has having a data/interview/commentary component (which gets cited here).  For example, Top-Law-Schools.com is referenced in notes 3, 5 and 6 of the Yale Law School page (as well as on most of the other U.S. law school pages.

In all fairness, AdmissionsDean.com has far less of a social media component than Top-Law-Schools.com -- the social component of AdmissionsDean.com mainly allows law school applicants to anonymously track one another through the admissions process and that is not what I was citing to. I was mostly citing to an interview that the Dean of Yale School gave to provide additional insights/support. Jackandrod (talk) 00:32, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

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Hello Jackandrod! Thank you, I will check out the Top-Law-Schools.com page soon to see if it passes or fails Citing sources and will let you know. I greatly appreciate the heads up. Admissionsdean.com fails on several levels ([:http://www.admissionsdean.com/about/faq]): besides being social media, "Much of the data on AdmissionsDean is taken directly from the information that the law schools self-report to the American Bar Association and Law School Admissions Council, as well as information from the websites of law schools, LSAT providers, and admissions consultants. This data is inputted by our tireless AdmissionsDean staff members who do their best to make sure it is inputted as reported. ". ...which means it is not responsible for fact checking or editing. I would suggest getting the actual LSAC or ABA sources, they would go much, much further to back the text you want to add to the article. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 19:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Gotcha, OK, I understand. Thanks Markvs88. I was wondering how about citing to the law school dean interviews themselves as sources -- would that be prohibited? Many law schools themselves link to these interviews since they provide insights into the admissions process "from the horse's mouth" (so to speak!).  Or, is everything from AdmissionsDean suspect because of our social media component? Btw, sorry for the two different posts before -- I'm not sure how this messaging works and didn't know if I posted in my "talk" thread whether you would be notified of it.  In any event, I copy/pasted my prior post (from my talk thread) and then decided I wanted to make some changes.Jackandrod (talk) 20:10, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a link so I can see what you mean? The problem is that it usually becomes advertising since Admissionsdean.com isn't going to have "too negative" an interview since it want to get as many schools to link to them as possible. So it'd have to be a pretty refined level to pass NPOV (specifically about being neutral in tone). Don't worry, you're doing fine. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 20:41, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again for your response (and words of encouragement). AdmissionsDean does a pretty good job of asking tough questions and the admissions officers interviewed are pretty candid with their answers. You can see one such link here in the left-hand column to Loyola Law School's Dean of Admissions interview. Take a look at the interview -- it's certainly not a puff piece. It seems that there are more than 20 of these interviews -- and they are pretty extensive -- so I think there is a benefit for Wikipedia users to read these deans' candid insights (particularly in the part of the article(s) that deal with admissions to X law school). Jackandrod (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2011 (UTC)