User talk:Jackiekoerner

DYK
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Event page
Hello, thanks for creating this page! I hope this event went well. Just a recommendation - when you create an event like this, it's best to add categories for the event so it can be tracked (I've done this), and add it to the calendar and template. This allows people to find and track it, and also will likely increase the likelihood of remote support from experienced contributors who can correct mistakes on pages created and give feedback to new contributors. Hope this is helpful to you, let me know if any thoughts or questions. Blythwood (talk) 00:26, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Superfest International Disability Film Festival
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A+F 2017
Hi Jackie, hope all is well! We're organizing the next Art+Feminism at WashU. It's going to be mid-week this time- Tuesday March 28, 3-7pm. It would be awesome if you could make it! aj (talk) 21:58, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Native American disease and epidemics
I'm thrilled that you're working on this topic and wanted to recommend some resources for you. I also notice there's a scope question about the article: Is it about Native Americans (in the US-specific sense) or indigenous peoples of the Americas? Different sections seem to answer that question differently.

Anyhow, here are some recommended sources: Cheers!--Carwil (talk) 20:25, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Natural language grammar, and Mediawiki markup grammar
Hi. I'm puzzled by this edit of yours, in which you reorder a list of four items, but say you have "fixed grammar". I see nothing wrong with the grammar as it was. (Or indeed with the ordering.)

Incidentally, when you write "ideas, images", you can just as well write "ideas, images". (Really. Let's try it: "ideas, images".) The matter is briefly explained here. -- Hoary (talk) 06:58, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Hoary, Thanks for checking out what I did. I was editing using the mobile app, so I just hit the button "Fixed grammar". Had I been on the computer, I would have typed more of an explanation for the grammar update.
 * When listing items, if there is no hierarchy (order of importance, or perhaps date if you might be listing presidents or settlements), items in the list are alphabetized. Adjectives are where the listing grammar rules get even weirder. Oh, English and all the funny rules.
 * For the "ideas, images" update, no, it doesn't make a difference on the article, but it does look different when editing. While it's not listed in Manual_of_Style/Accessibility, updating it to the way I did might make it a little easier on editors using screen readers. If you haven't used a screen reader before, imagine everything being read aloud. So, it might be like "bracket bracket image bracket bracket s" Not all screen readers are created equally, so the more text-fluidity we can offer, the easier the editing all the editors. Thanks! Jackiekoerner (talk) 15:47, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
 * "if there is no [more or less inherent order], items in the list are alphabetized": The first time I've ever heard of that one! Erm, who says so? &para; I'm familiar with the notion of audio browsers, although I've never tried using one. Featured articles go through a lot of checking for even the tiniest of (claimed) infelicities (which is why it's years since I was last tempted to push one of "my" articles toward FA candidacy, though I occasionally help with others'); today's FA, Hugh de Neville, has "royal forests", "royal charters", etc, so your position (however well grounded) doesn't seem influential. And if not, then possibly for good reason: if screen readers are as Wikipedia-unaware as you fear, wouldn't there be a risk of "bracket bracket image pipe images bracket bracket"? I've a hunch that this would be at least as hard to process as "bracket bracket image bracket bracket s" (though of course mere hunches are nowhere near as valuable as recall/comprehension tests). -- Hoary (talk) 00:01, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi again, Hoary! Something seems to be really bothering you about the edit I made. Why is that? What is your desired outcome of this conversation? Best, Jackiekoerner (talk) 00:53, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * No, nothing's bothering me; I'm just rather amazed. Here's a rule of English I'd never heard of (though perhaps I should have), and a system of markup that goes against the norm (and perhaps rightly so) -- and both in a single edit. When I'm surprised, I'm often (as here) interested; and when I'm interested, I like to understand. (Hope I don't seem pushy or anything.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:36, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, Hoary, I actually never heard of the grammar rule until I was in my Master's program. It's really more of an element of style than a hard fast rule (sort of like the Oxford comma - of which I am also a firm believer - ha!). These were style rules I read in writing books during my PhD program. My university was particular about these sorts of style elements, so now after hundreds of pages and years of writing, they're something, like the Oxford comma, I like to update.


 * Regarding accessibility, you should look up videos of the screen readers. They're quite interesting. Actually, one of the most prolific Wikipedians spoke about using a screen reader to edit in a recent Signpost. He uses JAWS, which is a really good one. Not all screen readers are created equally. The software and each of the updates are all pretty pricey.


 * As you can probably see from my edit history, disability is my "thing". My dissertation research focused on the lived experiences of college students with disabilities. Not all technology provides good inclusive practices. It's not that anyone is meaning to exclude, they just don't understand the experiences, needs, or the software each person is using. Sure, we cannot possibly know and design for all software, but knowing the needs can help inform design. For example, in college I knew one student who is deaf who asked his teacher to caption videos used for instruction. His teacher used some auto-captioning from YouTube and didn't proof-read the captions. The student said they did not make sense at all because the computer software doesn't always perfectly caption spoken word. The teacher didn't know that, nor how important that was to the student's inclusion in the environment.


 * I'd love to learn more about the experience of contributors with disabilities using MediaWiki software. We can all theorize how it will go, but it's those experiences that will really inform us. Another research project for another day perhaps. Jackiekoerner (talk) 14:44, 15 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the thoughtful reply. As I advance in age [please note my username!], I have less and less time for writing guides, style guides, and so-called grammar rules. The real rules of grammar are a matter of tacit knowledge for most of us; when we have to be told by so-called language experts that (for example) "which" can introduce a "non-restrictive" relative clause but not a "restrictive" one, our antennae or other horse manure–detection organs should quiver -- and sure enough, mere googling quickly tells us that this "rule" is illusory. (It's just a matter of preference, though a harmless one. Limiting the use of "which" in this way won't damage one's writing.)


 * Yes, automatic captioning is odd. (I often get it when viewing Youtube stuff on my phone. I don't know why I do, and I've been too lazy to investigate.) Actually I find it surprisingly good. And because it's good, it can lull the viewer into the impression that it has been checked by a thinking human ... but then it goes off the rails. When I think about it at all, I tend to do so as an aid to second-language viewers. I confess that I hadn't thought of the deaf.


 * Though any Wikipedia contributor can pretend to be anyone, I suppose that most of those who'd say they routinely use screen readers would in fact routinely use screen readers. So although a carefully designed study would be better, how about just asking for screen reader–user opinions on the choice exemplified by "ideas" versus "ideas" ? -- Hoary (talk) 00:29, 16 March 2017 (UTC)


 * PS When we look at the HTML markup, we see that Mediawiki "ideas" is rendered as "ideas" ; it's this that the browser or screen reader has to deal with when reading the article (as opposed to editing it). -- Hoary (talk) 12:26, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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The New Page Patrol backlog
Hi Jackie. Congratulations on your PhD. I read your comment. I also read all 48 pages of your blog (I do strange things like that sometimes, because I like to find out who is behinds the words). In spite of the two-generation gap, you and I could be great friends, but if you start off by attacking me we could also be great enemies ;) My choice would be to work together. You'll need to click the green bar on my user page first though to get up to speed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:54, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Kudpung, could you explain what it is you mean by this? Best, Jackiekoerner (talk) 03:05, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


 * It means that a) I congratulate you on your PhD, b) I took note of your not so friendly comment (veiled admonishment?) on a discussion where we are both participating, c) I see great potential for working together to improve the Wikipedia that I have spent thousands of hours and thousands of dollars on, if we can agree on the priciples that Wikipedia represents, d) I have read your blog and I think 'c' is therefore possible, and e) you probably didn't read up on me - it's always a good idea to see whom one is dialoguing with. I hope that helps. Take care, happy editing! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:13, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Kudpung, While I do disagree with you, I did not in any way mean my comments in ill will. Certainly even if we don't agree on the principles you believe, I still hope we can work together. That's the great part of this community: passionate people discussing for the betterment of free knowledge. Jackiekoerner (talk) 16:34, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * My principles are very basic, broadly construed: I do not believe that spammers should be allowed to use Wikipedia for their own and their clients' financial gain on the back of the unpaid work of our volunteers. I do not believe Wikipedia should be allowed to used as a platform for expressing anti social Points of View, or as a campaign platform for aspiring candidates for political office. I do not believe Wikipedia is a place where its maintenance areas should be tinkered with by inexperienced and/or very young users. I will do and propose anything intelligent and reasonable to uphold those principles. That may mean that I will occasionally lobby strongly for necessary organic changes in our policies and guidelines, and for improvement in the way the WMF is managed and goes about its work representing us, the people who create and maintain the content that brings in the donations that pay for their salaries and privileges. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:55, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Implicit bias study
Hi Jackie, I'm really glad to see your proposal. I think WP:WikiProject LGBT studies, WP:WikiProject Africa, and the projects covering major religions might also be interested. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:52, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Note
I sent you an email and happy Thanksgiving. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 14:09, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Guess what I found
Implicit bias (surprise).
 * Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 16:30, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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Nice to meet you
Dear Jackiekoerner,

I am a new member of the Project Grants Committee, I will work with you, I hope we will have a good cooperation in the review of the project, Thank you.

Aotfs2013 (talk) 18:03, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Aotfs2013, Great to meet you! I'm new too so we'll find our way together. Best, Jackiekoerner (talk) 15:13, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Soni Wolf for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Soni Wolf is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Soni Wolf until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Bearcat (talk) 19:41, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Bearcat, I have actually been delayed unexpectedly in editing the article. I injured myself unexpectedly after starting the article. Soni Wolf was actually integral overturning part of the Lanham Act, which unconstitutionally limited freedom of expression. Because of this nomination for deletion, I'm sitting at my desk now working on the article, when I'd rather be resting... Best, Jackiekoerner (talk) 20:46, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi! Hope you’re doing better!
 * Soni Wolf has been recreated and you’re welcome to work on it if you like. Gleeanon409 (talk) 23:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

RAC article needs attention
I'm working on this article and needs some relevance, supporters, any help would be appreciated: Articles for deletion/Regional Arts Commission. Any feedback etc also helpful. THANKS. Jon Phillips (talk) 19:57, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Ways to improve Wiki Loves Your Community
Hi, I'm Boleyn. Jackiekoerner, thanks for creating Wiki Loves Your Community!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Please work on this in draftspace, then submit via WP:AFC when the article is complete. Thanks for your work on this.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

Boleyn (talk) 13:39, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, I’m actually at a Wiki Conference North America and going to be workshopping this today during my session. That’s why I created it this morning, so many can jump in and edit together! Thanks for your understanding. Best, Jackiekoerner (talk) 14:07, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

November 2018
Before adding a category to an article, as you did to Planes, Trains and Automobiles, please make sure that the subject of the article really belongs in the category that you specified according to Wikipedia's categorization guidelines. Categories must also be supported by the article's verifiable content. Categories may be removed if they are deemed incorrect for the subject matter. Thank you. DonIago (talk) 04:18, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi DonIago, Thanks for reaching out. I was talking with family over dinner about films shot in St. Louis and I found this great list on the Missouri History Museum's site. That is what I was using to edit all of these films with the category I created. A very pivotal scene in Planes, Trains and Automobiles was filmed in St. Louis and I'd love to add it to the category. I don't see where to add this information you're suggesting to the article. Any suggestions? Best, Jackiekoerner (talk) 04:42, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmm. It could be added under a "Production" section easily enough, but I'm not sure whether the link you provided will qualify as a reliable source. Blogs typically are not considered reliable sources, though in general I'd say a history museum's site (but not necessarily the blog) would work. You might ask at WP:RSN though. Can you perhaps find an alternate source? Any article to which you're adding categories should already have information supporting the addition of the category. Hope this helps! DonIago (talk) 13:53, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikimania Ambassador
Hi!

I noticed that you have signed up as a Wikimedia Diversity Ambassador, after the Diversity Conference held in Stockholm 2017. In August this year, Wikimania will take place in Stockholm, and our goal is to use Ambassadors to reach out to local communities, to spread the news about the conference and the outcomes afterwards. The conference theme (still to be announced) will connect closely to diversity. If you would like to be involved as a Wikimania ambassador, please sign up at the Ambassador page at the Wikimania wiki!

A first thing to do, if you would like to help out, would be to translate the scholarship page at the Wikimania wiki into the language(s) you speak!

Best, Eric Luth (WMSE) (talk) 09:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Wiki Loves Your Community


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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Phospheros (talk) 23:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Max C. Starkloff article
Hi Jackie! I recently wrote the Max C. Starkloff article. He was St. Louis Health Commissioner who implemented social distancing by closing all public venues and prohibiting public gatherings of more than 20 people in October 1918 during the 1918 influenza pandemic. His actions are credited with flattening the curve of new cases & hospitalizations, & halving the death rate compared to places like Philadelphia & Boston.

Since I am in Seattle, I thought it might be better for some folks in the St. Louis area to look at the article because you all may be more familiar with his story. BTW, since you were a visiting scholar at the Paul K. Longmore Institute on Disability, you might be familiar with Starkloff's grandson, disability rights activist Max Starkloff.

Peaceray (talk) 01:40, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia @ 20
Thank you for your contributions to this important collection of essays. I particularly appreciated your views and hopes for the future in Wikipedia Has a Bias Problem. It already seems to me that very slowly we are progressing in the right direction.--Ipigott (talk) 14:47, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey there, Ipigott, Thanks for reaching out. I'm glad to hear you enjoyed my essay. I really hope more people read it and feel strongly about making changes happen! I do feel we are heading in the right direction, especially with the Wikimedia 2030 recommendations. Here's to the Wikipedia of the future! Best, Jackiekoerner (talk) 16:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Umm... I don't know what to say about your essay. Indeed, I was unsure whether to agree or disagree with it. However, I get the feeling that it is centered solely on English Wikipedia. Have you checked Wikipedia in other languages, like Croatian Wikipedia, Azerbaijani Wikipedia, and Scots Wikipedia? Those sites have huger issues than English Wikipedia. Don't you think? George Ho (talk) 20:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi George Ho, So glad my chapter made you think! Yes, I did focus on English Wikipedia because that's my language Wikipedia. I would love to study bias on other wikis. Something like that would have to be conducted in connection with members of that wiki to be sure cultural aspects are observed with the appropriate social weight. Finally, I will say, simply because there are other and different problems on other wikis shouldn't mean we ignore problems on English Wikipedia. Best, Jackiekoerner (talk) 15:56, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Following up re: wikiBlind and research projects
Hi Jackie! Just sent you a couple of emails. Hope we can talk soon!

And I want to thank you for the incredible amount of work you’ve done both inside Wikimedia projects and beyond. Wonderful to cross paths. This seems especially suitable for you!

DrMel (talk) 21:27, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Happy holidays!
Happy Holidays and Happy New Year, Jackie!

The other day, I was having a conversation with someone about holiday cards and social media. It occurred to me that, in the years since I left Facebook, the site I use most to communicate with people I like isn't actually a social media site at all. If you're receiving this, it's pretty likely I've talked with you more recently than I have my distant relatives and college friends on FB, at very least, and we may have even collaborated on something useful. So here's a holiday "card", Wikipedia friend. :) Hope the next couple weeks bring some fun and/or rest. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 18:18, 22 December 2022 (UTC)