User talk:Jackieoakridge

Welcome to Wikipedia
Hi Jackie. Welcome to Wikipedia! We can always use good editors. I wanted to point you to a few of our core policies at The Five Pillars that may be useful getting you started and mention that promoting an organization in an article (like you did here in Grief is not really appropriate. I'm sure the organization, like many others, does great work but if we start mentioning one org like that we'll have to mention them all and the article will quickly become unwieldy and less about grief and more of a directory of organizations that help people with grief.  If you work for the Child Bereavement Charity and want to write about them you might find our editing with conflict of interest guideline and this bit of our external links guideline helpful.  Otherwise your expertise could be very helpful putting content about grief itself in the grief article and I'd encourage you to see if there are areas you can help flesh out. If you need any help with anything please feel free to leave me a message at the bottom of my talk page or type Helpme here along with your question and an experienced editor will be along shortly to assist you. Good luck and happy editing! -- SiobhanHansa 14:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

HELP!!! :-) I have registered on behalf of The Child Bereavement Charity and have an article about the charity I would like to take 'live'. How do I do this? Will my user name be seen when the page is live, if so can I change it? I have been scouting around the FAQ's and am very confused and no clearer than when I started. Sorry. Upload files seems tobe for images only so I'm stuck. Jackieoakridge (talk) 11:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)jackieoakridgeJackieoakridge (talk) 11:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Jackie. To create an article you just put the text you want under the article name.  So click on Child Bereavement Charity (the red of the link indicates it's an empty article) and paste your entry in there.   Before you do this I urge you to read the editing with a conflict of interest guidelines I mentioned above and also our general notability guideline and the sub-guideline that deals with organizations.  We do not encourage editing in this fashion.  Many people who come to Wikipedia to "get the word out" about their organization find the experience frustrating because that is not what we support here.


 * As an encyclopedia we are committed to having a neutral voice and entries from people editing on behalf of a particular organization rarely manage to produce good content and frequently fail to meet our notability guidelines. For instance the current text you have on your user page lacks any sort of third party indication of its importance and is entirely too promotional, full of peacock wording and lacking in balance and independent sources.  It reads like a brochure for the organization not a neutral encyclopedic article (which would focus more on the history of the org and its reception in the world, in particular why the world considers it important).  I suggest you spend more time editing current articles, adding content unrelated to the Child Bereavement Center itself (though working in the area of bereavement would be great if you have expertise in that subject) to help you get to know Wikipedia's requirements and style before you tackle something like this. -- SiobhanHansa 12:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your swift reply Siobhan, I will need to ask the charity what they want this article to contain and to rethink their ideas about it and what it is for, they assumed it would be ok to submit what has been done, and I guess its not! :-)Jackieoakridge (talk) 12:28, 4 August 2008 (UTC)jackieoakridgeJackieoakridge (talk) 12:28, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Siobhan, Can you tell me the difference between CHASE hospice care for children in Wikipedia and The Child Bereavement Charity entry that you have looked over and why it seems much the same. I have also looked at Childline, should we approach ours from more of an historical perspective like they have done? Many thanks for your guidance, I am still wading through the links you have given me! Jackieoakridge (talk) 17:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)jackieoakridgeJackieoakridge (talk) 17:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Jackie. There was very little difference between the CHASE hospice care for children article and the one you created on your user page in terms of style.  It looks like a regular Wikipedia editor just hadn't noticed the article and brought it into line.  I have now edited it to try and better conform with our policies and guidelines.  The question of notability still exists and I've added a tag to mark that and give editors a chance to find references that support the article's inclusion in Wikipedia.


 * If you're looking for some pointers to how to edit the Child Bereavement Charity article so it would be more acceptable you could try copying the tone I've tried to create in the CHASE article (you can see the changes I made here). And I'd be happy to help there.  In terms of notability - take a look at WP:ORG.  You're really looking for coverage in well respected newspapers, books and journals that have taken an in depth and critical (in it's sense of being rigorous rather than necessarily negative) look at the organization.  I think that if it came to community discussions CHASE would have more chance of being accepted regardless of the inclusion of these things because it runs a physical, brick and mortar hospice and that sort of thing often carries more weight than more distributed educational or in home services.  Which isn't necessarily fair but it is how things seem to work so I want to give you that heads up.  If the community decides an article isn't notable (after following our process) it gets deleted.


 * I should also emphasize that I am just one editor here (like you). I'm giving you my opinion of how our policies and guidelines apply in this situation - but that's all it is.  In the end, if two editors disagree, decisions are made by community consensus.  Hope this is helpful.  -- SiobhanHansa 13:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Another point about the CHASE article you might want to copy - it has information about the org's history. How an organization was founded and its major milestones tend to be fairly encyclopedic (though you should avoid the tendency of the CHASE article's original editors to include every thing the organization would like to announce - only truly significant events should be included). References to significant coverage in national media are a great addition. -- SiobhanHansa 13:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Siobhan, Thank you for taking the time to reply in such detail, I'll let the Charity know and we'll see how it goes from there 90.196.10.109 (talk) 15:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)jackieoakridge90.196.10.109 (talk) 15:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)