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Noticed your request about the Marc Nuttle article, which is now in your sandbox. My advice is to start as simple as possible, just a couple sentences at a time. Collect the sources that you have, which are newspapers / teevee / radio / books / etc ... and concentrate on the ones which have multiple paragraphs, specifically about "Marc Nuttle" and/or about "things Marc Nuttle has personally done" ... which is very different from paragraphs about "stuff republicans in general have done" for instance. Also, of course, you should not use sources that are themselves written by Marc Nuttle, by his campaign-manager, by his kinfolk, and so on. Along the sames lines, if a source has multiple paragraphs about Marc Nuttle... because it has a long quotation of something Marc Nuttle himself actually said, like during an interview... this is not as valuable, as a source with multiple paragraphs of the journalist talking in detail and in reasonable depth (multiple paragraphs) about Marc Nuttle specifically, whilst speaking in the journalist's voice. Make sense?

Once you've organized your sources into piles (these sources are written by Nuttle aka WP:ABOUTSELF, these sources mention Nuttle in a sentence or two aka WP:NOTEWORTHY, these sources are multiple paragraphs in the journalist's voice specifically about Nuttle aka count towards WP:42, and these not-quite-sources over here are WP:BLOGS and WP:NOTFACEBOOK and other stuff that isn't worth much on wikipedia), then start to write your initial prose-sentences. Start with your best, most in-depth source first. Write up one sentence, of boring dry cold hard just-the-facts prose, which summarizes the *entire* contents of the source in question, into that one sentence. For example, after doing a quick bit of WP:GOOG for sources, here is the first thing I found:


 * http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/20/marc-nuttles-debt-wall-and-why-barack-obamas-presidency-may-crash-into-it/

Is this by Nuttle? Nope, so that's good. Is it about Nuttle, or things Nuttle has done? Yup, he's even in the title. Is the publisher wiki-reliable as a WP:SOURCE? Yup, the Daily Caller, they are a bluelink, and a respected publication with editorial-oversight and a fact-checking department. But... aarrrggh! ... this is not in the news-section of their website, it's in the "opinion" section, so it probably fails to count as WP:RS, and thus cannot be used in our quest to satisfy WP:42. So put it into a pile of WP:BLOGS for the moment, and move on to other sources. (If it turns out that Tony Marsh is a well-respected journalist then *maybe* this dailycaller citation will be useful to the wikipedia article about Marc Nuttle, but why worry about that at the moment, when we can just find another source, that *is* unquestionably wiki-reliable as a WP:SOURCE per WP:RS, right?) Here is the second hit from the search engines, which seemed like it might help the wikipedia article:


 * http://www.autonews.com/article/20070328/REG/70328014

Is this by Nuttle? Nope, that's good. Is it about Nuttle, or things Nuttle has done? Yup, he's not in the title of the piece, but he is referenced in the title as "Okla[homa] investor" which is close enough. Is the publisher wiki-reliable as a WP:SOURCE? Well, that's not clear, they aren't as famous as dailycaller, but a little digging shows that they are a legit publication with editorial-oversight, and that they are not fly-by-night. The article is in the 'news' section of their website (not letters-to-the-editor nor classifieds for example), so that's good. And the author is a journalist, with an email address at the parent-corporation Crain.com, which is independent of Nuttle (aka Nuttle doesn't own the company and is not an employee of Crain.com himself). What about depth? Is this just a sentence, aka WP:NOTEWORTHY, or does it have some depth, aka enough to begin demonstrating WP:N and achieve WP:42? Well, having Nuttle in the title is a good start, even by reference. And indeed, the entire piece is about him, or about things he's specifically done and said. It's a short piece, in a "trade rag" for the automotive industry, but it's a legit WP:SOURCE methinks, and counts as wiki-reliable by wikipedia standards. If we look a bit deeper, we can find some other sources about Nuttle's coverage by the same autonews.com folks, and that gives us plenty of depth.



Now, that gives us enough depth to count as our first legit WP:SOURCE on our journey to finding WP:42, aka enough wiki-reliable sources to write a dedicated article. Some of those articles are behind a WP:PAYWALL, it it true, but that is not a problem, they still count as wiki-verifiable. Some of those sources are repetitive, of course, and they are all from the same publisher, and basically all about the same topic, so this really only counts as WP:BLP1E aka a single burst-of-coverage. It helps that there was WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE across three years, but all this information is from a single publisher, so the strictest wiki-notability reviewers... like myself... might only count this coverage-burst as "one" source, despite there being seven URLs. What about coverage in Chinese-language sources (newspapers/magazines/etc), would those help, even though this is an English-language encyclopedia? Yup, definitely, if there are any WP:SOURCES about the Ardmore, Oklahoma deal that are in Chinese, and mention "Marc Nuttle" by name (or his equivalent Chinese moniker if they transliterate him), then those are perfectly legit WP:SOURCES by wikipedia standards.

So! now that we have a first legit burst of in-depth coverage, we have to summarize what the WP:SOURCES actually said, in neutral just-the-fact WP:TONE, and avoiding all types of WP:PUFFERY and paying heed to WP:NOTPROMOTION. Here's an example of what NOT to do:


 * World-famous lawyer, also good-looking and incredibly smart, Marc 'The Titan' Nuttle made his biggest splash yet with his brilliant 2006 investment decision in the finest product in the world, MG automobile kits, crafted with loving precision by Nanjing Automobile Group, and then built by hand using all-American workers in Ardmore, Oklahoma (click here to learn about tourism!), but at the last moment, the deal was foiled when dastardly Shanghai Automotive Industry swept in with a hostile takeover bid, and our hero was temporarily thwarted.

Apologies for the sarcasm, but you must realize, I've literally seen people write like that, and not understand what was wrong with it. "Of course it's neutral, it's basically true." Here's a different, but almost as bad, example of what NOT do to:


 * Marc Nuttle got involved with some business, and it was reported in some publications, during the years 2006 and 2007 and 2008.

Here's an example of neutral, boring, dry, cold, just-the-facts prose that you might be able to use, for real:


 * In July 2006, Nuttle was the lead investor behind Oklahoma Global Motors, in a proposed deal to import powertrains from Nanjing Automobile Group and MG TF coupe automotive-bodies from England, for final assembly of the knockdown kits in Ardmore, Oklahoma. Although Nuttle travelled to China in March 2007, shortly after the CEO of Oklahoma Global Motors Duke Hale and two other managers quit, and planned to release production prototypes starting in 2008, a finalized agreement was not reached before Nanjing Automobile Group (owner of the MG brand) was acquired in December 2007 by Shanghai Automotive Industry.

Some of the details are omitted, but most of them are kept in there: specifically, the things Nuttle did, and the details of the overall idea, and the final outcome. Specific dates, specific names and companies and places, cold dry hard boring facts. No adjectives that describe how wonderful, nor how terrible, any of these facts ought to be perceived as -- let the readership decide the adjectives for themselves, in their own minds. Nothing is omitted: Hale quote "quit" unquote, is exactly what the WP:SOURCE says, and is also the simplest most neutral way to describe what happened. Nuttle was the quote "lead" unquote investor. Some of the sources also describe him as a 'mover' and as a 'trade expert' and as a 'fan' of sportscars and some other not-very-neutral names, but not consistently, he is most consistently described as a lawyer and as the lead/chief/main/head investor. Since he was also the one who 'put the del together' in the early phases, I ended up calling him the "lead investor" and wikilinking to angel investor since this was a group of individual investors rather than a venture capital firm or an investment-arm of a bank or something along those lines.

Anyways, figured you might appreciate some specific detailed-example-type advice, so that your hard work is not deleted, next time around. Wikipedia isn't for promotionalism, advertising, puffery, or anything like that; it's especially hard to stay neutral when you know the most about the topic, but it *can* be done. Anyways, if you have a couple more good in-depth WP:SOURCES that give press-coverage specifically to Nuttle (his 2002 political campaign is likely to be one, and you need one other major event in his life besides the AutoNews stuff above). If you need pointers, or have gathered together some sources and want a quick analysis of which ones are WP:SOURCES and which ones are WP:BLOGS or WP:ABOUTSELF or otherwise not useful towards demonstrating wiki-notability, feel free to leave me a note on my usertalk page (click 'talk' in my signature, click 'new section' at the top, leave a note and click save). You can also get editing-tips and general questions answered at WP:Q, if you want more instantaneous-gratification. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 20:33, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Marc Nuttle (October 29)
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Marc Nuttle (December 29)
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 Onel 5969  TT me 13:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Marc Nuttle (December 31)
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