User talk:Jacob grace

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Happy editing! Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 18:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

More welcome
A good mathematical resource is also WikiProject Mathematics. Its talk page serves as a board to discuss all math issues related to Wikipedia. There is also a list of participants to sign on. Enjoy! Oleg Alexandrov 15:46, 21 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I replied on my talk page, to keep things in one place. Oleg Alexandrov 21:00, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Music and the Lord's Prayer
''I add a music section section there just wish some hymnal experts can add some more hymns like that title there so that people can enjoy and think about the mean of the Lord's Prayer. I think we may discuss about the two MIDIs, but I totally can not agree that you delete that section!! Music is an important "something" in liturgy, right? Do you mean that none of the music about the Lord's prayer is good?''


 * No, of course not. But I don't think including MIDI files is appropriate for an encyclopedia entry on the Lord's Prayer. You labeled the heading "Famous or good music", but deciding what's good and what isn't can never reflect an NPOV.

''The 2nd MID is collected in 2nd ed. of Hymnal book of Presbyterian Church in Taiwan and I heard it in many other denomination in Taiwan.''

If it's published in a hymnal, it's very likely copyrighted. If so, it cannot be included here. If it's old enough that it's no longer under copyright, then it's not an issue. But I think it would still be best to go to Village pump first and ask other users what they think about the idea of including MIDI files of public-domain tunes in this way. If most other Wikipedians say it's okay, then go ahead and do it.

''The 1st MID is composed by a good Christian Ph.D whose major is composing music. He is also a Professor in the best music department of university in Taiwan. He won many championship about composing music throughout USA, Taiwan, Europe, and south of America. Although you are a Ph.D in theoretical linguistics, that does not mean that you have good musical background or even have better musical background than a Ph.D of music. What are your argumentations that the MID is not good? Just like what you say, "whether or not they're good is POV," can you delete such a "good" music just by your POV without any argumentation?''

Again, it's not about whether I consider his music good. (As it happens, I do have a musical background, my father was a music theory professor and I played a musical instrument from the age of 9 up till the age of about 25, and I still sing in a church choir. But that doesn't matter.) It's about whether it's appropriate to include it. If the composer of the piece is still alive, he holds the copyright to it. Did he give you permission to upload it here? Again, even if he did, is it appropriate to include in a Wikipedia entry a MIDI of a tune that is not well known? I think that's also a question for Village Pump. If most people there agree with you that it's okay, then you can put them back.

One more thing: when you leave messages for people, it's a good idea to sign your name with ~ (or by clicking the second box to the right above the subject line, which automatically inserts --~ ) rather than typing your name out. That way there's a link to your user page, which makes it easier to respond. Thanks! --Angr/comhrá 05:58, 22 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for your answer! Don't worry about your English; it's a whole lot better than my Chinese! As I understand it, copyrights are good for the life of the author plus 50 years (or maybe it's 70?). So you have to find out who the author is and when he died, and find out whether it's life+50 or life+70 (I can't remember now). I like making MIDIs of church music too, but I only have a handful -- nothing like 600! When I wrote "their inclusion smacks of vanity" I thought you had written the pieces yourself -- it would be vanity if you uploaded music you yourself had written. But now I understand you only made the MIDI files yourself, you didn't write the music yourself. So it's definitely not vanity. That's also the reason why I didn't mention copyright in my edit summary but I did mention it above: when I wrote the edit summary, I thought they were your own compositions. Later I realized they weren't, but that they might be copyrighted. --Angr/comhrá 16:16, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome
In both senses. Mel Etitis ( &Mu;&epsilon;&lambda; &Epsilon;&tau;&eta;&tau;&eta;&sigmaf; ) 09:38, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Writing style
Please do not add 'double spaces' with &amp;nbsp;. Those are not normal writing style even if you think it looks better. Also better modification comments than "Tiny edit." would be nice. Try to describe what was your intention with modification comments. I hope this helps. --Thv 10:59, 2005 May 23 (UTC)

Re: deletion
I deleted the redirect with excess quotes. I'm not sure why it bugged you so much, you could have left it there forever, it's trivial :) --Joy &#91;shallot&#93;   09:36, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:EMPEROR.MID
Thanks for uploading Image:EMPEROR.MID. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

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Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. Shyam ( T / C ) 14:13, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:H3224020.GIF
You have forgotten to provide copyright status of this image. I presume you want to release it into public domain (just like H3224.GIF), so I have marked it as such. - Mike Rosoft 19:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Image tagged
Jacob grace, all the images, which you want to release in public domain and are created by you, are tagged as. This is the tag for this particular option. You can also release them in. If you have uploaded other images then help wikipedia to tag them under proper license. Regards, Shyam  ( T / C ) 18:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)