User talk:Jacobien kyoto

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November 2012
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Jacqueline Hassink has been reverted. Your edit here to Jacqueline Hassink was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove links which are discouraged per our external links guideline. The external link(s) you added or changed (https://icplibrary.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/the-table-of-power-1-2/) is/are on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. If you were trying to insert an external link that does comply with our policies and guidelines, then please accept my creator's apologies and feel free to undo the bot's revert. However, if the link does not comply with our policies and guidelines, but your edit included other, constructive, changes to the article, feel free to make those changes again without re-adding the link. Please read Wikipedia's external links guideline for more information, and consult my list of frequently-reverted sites. For more information about me, see my FAQ page. Thanks! --XLinkBot (talk) 14:56, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Jacobien, Wikipedia can be daunting for new users. If you need help understanding the above notice or proceeding according to its instructions, then put a note on my talk page and I will try to help you. Best, -- — Keithbob • Talk  • 14:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Jacqueline Hassink
OK, we can have a conversation here. I'll take a look at the article first, then respond. One item while I'm thinking of it is that you need to sign your comments using four consecutive tildes ~. -- — Keithbob • Talk  • 15:20, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, a couple of things......... Wikipedia has a lot of rules. They are complicated, cumbersome and a pain in the neck but they exist to create a standard for high quality sourced content and to insure accurate (and hopefully balanced) information on a topic. In the case of a bios of living people (BLP) this serves as a protection for the subject of the article. Many of the things you have added were reverted by a WP computer robot (bot) because they were perceived as a copyright violation. You probably cut and pasted info from your web site and that's why that happened. Also, WP is based on reliable secondary sources and personal web sites are not considered by WP to be reliable sources. If you are interested in learning more you can read WP:BLP. Right now, despite your well intentioned efforts, the article is in worse shape (format wise) than when you began. I can quickly correct the format. Would that be a good start? Once that is done, we can discuss the content of the article and see what info you would like to see added and if there is any info that you feel is incorrect. Is that agreeable to you? -- — Keithbob •  Talk  • 15:32, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes it is. When I look now at my page it seems to be reasonable ok. I am looking also at other artist and see how their page has been set up. Getting more pro. My assistant in Paris is taking over from here and he will make minor changes.

I am wondering what happened now. Somebody completely changed the layout of my page and order of sentences and I do not agree with this. I thought we were fine with the content. I think it is taking too much energy this whole wikipedia thing. I really dop not like it this way.

Dear Keithbob, My name is Vincent. I'm Jacqueline Hassink's assistant. I sent you a e-mail using my Wikipedia login but because you already started a conversation here, I thought it'd be better to continue on this page. What could we do to go back to the previous layout and hierarchy of information without being reverted to a WP computer robot? Thank very much your help, Vincent Jacobien kyoto (talk) 22:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Vincent and thanks for your message. Wikipedia has hundreds of pages of guidelines and policies. It is also a collaborative environment and that means anyone's work can be changed at any time. Both the format and content of the article a few days ago was not in line with several Wikipedia guidelines and policies so I have upgraded it to WP standards. However, as I say it is collaborative so discussion is always an option as we are doing here. First there is WP:MOS which dictates the format and style of an article which the prior version did not conform to. Second there were flattering phrases like "she is a well known XYZ" which I removed per WP:AD. Third, the so called "References" were nothing other than bare URL links which either have to be formatted according to WP:CITE or place in the External Link section and conform to WP:EL.  Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a magazine or news article. Our content is-- just the facts-- without  embellishment and supported by reliable sources as defined in WP:RS and WP:V.  I am offering to hear what you have to say but the article may never be, in either content or format, the way you or Jacobien want it to be. And it doesn't matter if you or I have a PhD or claim to be the subject of the article. Wikipeida doesn't care what individuals know or claim to be true. Wikipedia only honors verifiable secondary sources like books, newspapers, magazines etc. as sources. So just because someone who claims to be JH says something is true doesn't mean anything on Wikipedia. I'm sorry I don't want to sound harsh but you need to understand how things work here.  Lastly, I am still working on the article and plan to take the URL"s in the External Links section and make them into legitimate citations. As I find info in those sources I will add that new info to the article. Let me know if you have any questions. As a courtesy I am willing to discuss and work with you but keep in mind that we are all just anonymous volunteer participants here and we are bound by Wikipedias community and procedures and its collaborative community processes. Best, -- — Keithbob •  Talk  • 03:11, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Keithbob, Thank you for taking time for explaining how it works on Wikipedia. Being new to this I have to admit that it feels quiet complicated. I really appreciate your help on this. I think we can work together to make the legitimate citations to have a much as information regarding the biography as we wrote it last time. What do you think? Best, Vincent Jacobien kyoto (talk) 09:53, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, Yes happy to work together to create an article that conforms to WP standards and is comprehensive, neutral and balanced. I will try to spend some time on it tomorrow. If you have any time you can make citations too using WP:CITE as a guide. I might have some time tomorrow. Cheers! -- — Keithbob • Talk  • 22:45, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Keithbob, I see that, now, the message from Wikipedia saying there were not enough citations to confirm the biography, is gone. I'm currently reviewing some other references that could provide some more information, using the WP:CITE that I finally understand!Jacobien kyoto (talk) 09:33, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, two or three other editors have come in to help and have converted some of the bare URL links into WP acceptable citations. -- — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 20:27, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Photos needed
If you have a photo (head shot) of J. Hassik and would like upload them and release the rights to the photos, then we can put it in the infobox of the article. Here's how to [upload a photo] to WP. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 19:33, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the info. I talked with J. Hassink regarding the photo profile and she would prefer not to upload anything at the moment.Jacobien kyoto (talk) 09:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I just wanted let them know that WP likes photos of its subjects in the article but if none are available in the public domain and the subject is not inclined to provide one, that's fine too. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 20:29, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Photo you removed
Hi, I've put the photo that you removed, back in the article. If there is an issue with the photo please discuss it on the article's talk page. WP is all about collaboration. If we allow people to remove things the don't like or without any apparent reason or consensus through discussion, then we have chaos. Please discuss on the talk page before removing anything. Thanks! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — <b style= "color:#090;">Keithbob</b> • Talk  • 00:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)