User talk:JacquesBlomPSA

November 2023
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did at Public Servants Association of South Africa, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 09:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Please note that I work for The PSA IT department and our GM (Reuben Maleka) has given instruction that he wants no data on the wikipedia for The PSA.
 * I left the link to our official website on the wikipedia, but removed the rest.
 * If you can tell me then how to remove/delete the page entirely I will gladly oblige JacquesBlomPSA (talk) 09:59, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I can tell you that you're gonna have a hard time having it deleted if the organization is notable enough to be referred to in reliable sources. With that said, I'll check to see if there's enough reliable sources, otherwise I'll send it to articles for deletion.  Liliana UwU  (talk / contributions) 10:02, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) If you work for the PSA, the Terms of Use require you to make a formal paid editing disclosure.
 * An article subject does not get to exclusively decide if there is an article about it on Wikipedia or not, any more than an article subject could prohibit The New York Times or CNN from writing about a topic. An article subject(or its representative) is free to participate as any other editor(within the bounds of policies like conflict of interest). If an editor feels that a subject does not meet the relevant notability guidelines, they are free to use the available deletion processes(usually an Articles for Deletion discussion) to request that an article be deleted.  It won't be deleted merely due to the wishes of the subject, but it may be deleted if the subject wishes to argue that it is not notable or otherwise that the article does not meet Wikipedia policies.
 * All of that said, there are serious issues with the article in terms of Wikipedia policies- it is largely not sourced to independent reliable sources as it should be. A case could probably be made that the union is not notable. 331dot (talk) 10:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for getting back to me so quickly 331dot :)
 * Our GM and communication department does not want to or has the time to ensure the data on the Wikipedia is the correct data as per our website psa.co.za
 * Is there grounds to stand on to get this Wikipedia page deleted?
 * If need be I will get a formal letter signed by our GM on a company letterhead for this. JacquesBlomPSA (talk) 10:35, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We have no central mailing location to send a letter to. There is no central authority here- this is a project administered by volunteers from around the world, generally participating in their free time.  A letter is unnecessary, for the reasons I described above- article subjects do not get to exclusively decide if there is an article about them on Wikipedia or not. Donald Trump would probably like False or misleading statements by Donald Trump as well as the article about him personally deleted, but he doesn't get to decide that. It's a community matter.  If you are representing your organization here, that is sufficient in terms of who can express the views of the organization.  You will need to make the paid editing disclosure on your user page(User:JacquesBlomPSA) soon.
 * The article shouldn't merely be displaying content from your organization's website- it should primarily be summarizing what independent reliable sources state about your organization. Currently, it doesn't do that, so deletion may be a possibility, but it depends on how much coverage your organization receives in independent reliable sources. Unions, especially those in a visible area like public employees or actors, often receive much coverage(see the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike and SAG-AFTRA) so if your union receives coverage, it will be very hard to get the article deleted. 331dot (talk) 10:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * And if it were deleted, it would not be retained with a link to your website- it would be removed completely. 331dot (talk) 10:47, 8 November 2023 (UTC)