User talk:Jacurek/Archive1

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 20:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Moreover, your edits are unsubstantiated. We presume good faith, but you should at least know what you are writing about, especially ina field that is particularly well-documented.Galassi 21:02, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Please take a break. Whatever you are trying to accomplish, you are going about it the wrong way. First of all, going back to your version (reverting) more than 3 times in a 24 period is a break of the rules and may result in being blocked from editing for a period of time. Second, the article you are trying to change has seen a lot of work and is in a sense an elaborate compromise. It was written by people from all sides of the issue, and this is the concensus version that has been arrived at. You cannot just march in and replace it with your own, "true" version. This is not the Wikipedia way.

Let me put it another way. Many people around the world feel that Poland and Poles share at least a part of the responsibility for the Holocaust. You may strongly disagree with this, but this cannot change the fact that they feel this way. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and hence in some sense incorporates all (or almost all) views, it must incorporate that view as well. Learn to accept this, if you want to join this community for the longer term. Balcer 21:32, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If you make any more reversions to History of Jews in Poland without providing reliable sources for your edits, I will report you for violating the Three-revert rule. You may be blocked from editing for up to 24 hours. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 21:54, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I feel that you have left me no alternative than to report you for repeatedly violating the Three-revert rule. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 22:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Please see Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 22:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

You have been blocked from editing for in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text below. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

History of Jews in Poland
Your recent edit to History of Jews in Poland inserted the sentence "With some exceptions, Poles did not cooperate with the Germans in the destruction of Jewish community and many protected their Jewish compatriots putting their own lives on the balance of risk."

You identified this site as the source for the statement.

That page has links to 10 research papers. Could you please point out exactly where support for that statement can be found?

Thank you. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 03:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for identifying Paulsson. It seems he is best known as Gunnar S. Paulsson, and that is the name under which his book was published. (I don't know why his newspaper column was printed under the obscure name Steven Paulson.) See my comments at Talk:History of Jews in Poland. Thanks again. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 02:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your edits to History of Jews in Poland:
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Jewish population on the territories annexed by the Soviets in September 1939
Hi Jacurek. I have no doubt that some Jews in those territories welcomed the Soviets, for a variety of reasons. Some may have been pro-Soviet, some may have seen them as the lesser of two evils. And the different attitude toward the Soviets was a cause of friction between non-Jewish and Jewish Poles. The article already made reference to this:


 * Compared to Poles, significant percentage of Jews where sympathetic to the Soviets; while Poles saw Soviets as invaders, many Jews saw them for what they claimed to be - protectors from the Nazis. That led to growing tensions between Polish and Jewish communities in those regions.

But I think the sentences you added went much further. You wrote that many Jews "greeted Russian forces joyfully" and mentioned "Jewish over joy at the Red Army’s arrival". That's much stronger language than the sentence above. You added that "To the Poles, in contrast to the Jews, the Soviet Union was a traditional enemy." Did "the Jews" all fail to see the Soviet Union as an enemy? Note how the sentence quoted above (the one already in the article) uses phrases like "significant percentage of Jews" and "many Jews" instead of "the Jews", which suggests "all the Jews".

The article would be much better if it had more sources, but Wikipedia's policy on sources says that "Sources should be appropriate to the claims made: exceptional claims require exceptional sources." I think that the type of strong language that you used qualify as "exceptional claims" and they need reliable sources. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 20:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Please take a look at Verifiability:


 * "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed.


 * I'm not questioning your grandfather's memory of what happened, but personal accounts aren't considered reliable sources for Wikipedia articles. Please read Verifiability and Reliable sources. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 20:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

WP:NOR
Please familiarize yourself with WP:NOR and WP:RS before making any changes. Regards. M0RD00R 20:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Your recent edits
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WP:Verifiability and WP:Reliable sources
Hi. Thank you for your on-going valuable contributions to History of Jews in Poland. Please take a little time and read WP:Verifiability and WP:Reliable sources, Wikipedia policies concerning references for articles.

Nobody is questioning the veracity of your contributions, but you should provide references for your additions — in the encyclopedia article, as opposed to the edit summary. Otherwise, your contributions may be considered original research: "unpublished facts, arguments, concepts, statements, or theories."

Thank you. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 22:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Why don't you refer to some books on the matter? I think that you will find, if my memory serve me, Anatol Lieven's The Baltic Revolution, in the section on Lithuania. (The book mainly deals with society and politics post-1990, but it has significant background on the WWII years. Dogru144 21:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, checking the amazon.com page for the book, I see that the book is not mainly re 1990+, but rather that it deals with life back to ancient times. Check out the book.  I agree with User:Malik Shabazz and others: you really ought to abide by wikipedia protocols, such as verifiability and reliability. Dogru144 21:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

History of Jews

 * nationality or ethnicity?
 * With all due respect to Warsaw, Kraków and Wilno Jews were important culturally and Łódź ones - economically.Xx236 11:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I have quoted a number of names and facts on the Talk page. I prefer to not edit the article myself, because of my poor English.Xx236 07:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)