User talk:Jagged 85/Archive 3

Tibet
Check the definition of Central Asia and East Asia,and check the South Asia,Tibet is either seen as Central Asia and East Asia.But never South Asia--Ksyrie 19:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Zeta Gundam
Why are you moving the page again? please see WP:GUNDAM talk page to see what we have discussed and what the consensus is. I am not moving the page back for now, please move it back if you agree to the discussion and if not, feel free to discuss it further there. The renaming is making the page more difficult to find even for fans. MythSearchertalk 15:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Atlas
You might be interested in joining the WikiProject Atlas at commons:Commons:WikiProject Atlas. Electionworld Talk?  08:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Michael Jackson
What does AJ stand for? It was added to his name at the start of the article. Israell 11:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

You are invited!
Hi,

I have noticed your editions on Indian martial arts, Varma Kalai, Dravidian martial arts and Indian Malaysian amongst other topics. We have just recently formed the WikiProject Dravidian Civilizations. This project will cover most every aspect on the Dravidian civilizations of South Asia. If you are interested in joining, please go to WikiProject Dravidian civilizations and post your name in the members section. Regards. Wiki Raja 06:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

chat2007
There is an informal discussion and a straw poll at Talk:Indo-Aryan migration/chat2007. Your input would be beneficial. --RF 08:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Kurów on Bengal Wikipedia
Could you please write a stub http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w - just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w or HI wiki? Only 2-5 sentences enough. Please.

PS. Article about Kurów is already on 133 languages. Pietras1988 21:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Centralized video game navbox discussion
You previously expressed a strongly-stated opinion about a video game navbox or all video game navboxes in general, or perhaps I clicked on your talk page by mistake. Whichever it is, you are invited to offer your opinion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Suddenly...
Partition of India is in FAC! Will you take the opportunity, and help it attain the FA status? Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

You have my most sincere apology
I am truly sorry for my mistake. I should have known that a person of your stature would not commit such an error. Thank you for correcting me in this matter. Writtenright 03:28, 14 March 2007 (UTC)Writtenright

RfAr
An arbitration case has been filed against me. Could you please take a look into it? . If you could find time to recount your impression of the contributions I've made to the martial arts related projects then I would be very grateful. Many regards,

Freedom skies 10:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies
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Asian Latin American
Thank you for your edits. However, some of the countries on the list are not Latin American countries, as Latin America is made up of the countries in this hemisphere where a Latin language predominates. But the information you added pertaining to these countries is most welcome. SamEV 05:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Right you are that Belize and Guadaloupe speak Romance languages, in the latter's case as primary language. But the problem is that they're not considered part of Latin America usually. If we include them it looks like we're trying to make some sort of political statement that we're in fact not trying to make at all. Remember the title "Asian Latin American". SamEV 05:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Steccchini on Xerxes' army
''Herodotos reports that the King of Persia, after he had brought his army from Asia to Europe on two pontoon bridges thrown across the sea at the Hellespont, proceeded to a muster of the army and the navy at Doriskos, near the present Graeco-Turkish frontier. Herodotos uses the narrative of this muster in order to list and describe in detail all the contingents that composed this army drawn from 46 nationalities (VII 59-88). The infantry would have been counted by letting the men pack completely a precinct that could hold 10,000 men; since the precinct was filled 170 times, the infantry would have consisted of 1,700,000 soldiers (VII 60). This counting by units of 10,000 is mentioned also by Aischylos (line 981). Herodotos reckons that since for each combatant there was at least one non-combatant campfollower or supply man, the total of the army on foot must have been about 3,400,000 men. But since other Greek sources estimate the effectives of the Persian army around 700,000 or 800,000 soldiers, Herodotos must have been guilty of error: the figure of 1,700,000 must have included the non-combatants. Herodotos estimates that the cavalry amounted to about 80,000 horsemen plus 20,000 men mounted on camels or chariots (VI 84). Later the Persian forces were joined by men provided by the European allies in an amount that Herodotos guesses might have been 300,000 (VIII 85). ''

and

''In my opinion, the King decided to double the normal table of organization of the Persian army, which was 300,000 infantry and 50,000 cavalry, plus about one non-combatant for each combatant. This would explain the figures of Herodotos and the figures provided by other Greek writers. The apparent contradictions noticed by Gobineau between the titles of the Persian officers and the number of men under their command would be resolved. In the case of the cavalry, the Persians did not succeed in filling up the intended strength, so that they brought to Greece 20,000 men mounted on camels and on chariots whose usefulness in that land was most dubious. The mobilization of the Persian army from Thrakia to Arabia and from India to Egypt was such a complex operation that of necessity it had to take a certain bureaucratic rigidity.''

from Ikokki 10:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * See Talk:Greco-Persian Wars for my response to your message. Jagged 85 05:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Sylheti userbox
Hi, I noticed that you had a custom Userbox for Sylheti. I've suggested a standard format in the Sylheti language talk page. The changes are the language code is syl (ISO639-3) (Sylheti doesn't have a 2 character code) and the category is syl-N instead of bn-N. If there are sufficient entries, then we can create the category also and maybe create a template.

Aktar Ahmed, 09:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Vital articles
Hi, I'm working on WP:VA to improve. This page does have a problem with being Eurocentric. I found that you have participated in Science and technology in ancient India. Please tell us your idea and add the most notable persons or events:Wikipedia Talk:Vital articles. Please invite other knowledgeable wikipedians If you are busy.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 13:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

References on Heliocentrism
Hi Jagged,

I've noticed that your recent edits on Heliocentrism don't give specific page references on the footnotes. I realize that the earlier references in that article do not cite specific pages, but Wikipedia practice now requires full citations, including page numbers, whenever possible.

I encourage you to be more precise in your citations so we can bring Heliocentrism up to encyclopedic standards. Thanks. --SteveMcCluskey 19:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Take a look at this, do you agree with the change of format? Should Upperbound ancient numbers like 5 million be listed in the info-box? If so, then why aren't the lowerbound modern estimates listed? By the way, enable your e-mail address please. --Mardavich 17:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Re
What do you think of this new change? Kampouris as a source doesn't appear to conform with WP:RS, the source is not in English, and doesn't seem neutral or notable.--Mardavich 19:06, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

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Military history project podcast on the Battle of Thermopylae
We are trying to develop offline publications at our publication departement. Currently one of our projects is a podcast(less work than a wikireader) on the Battle of Thermopylae. The editor concerned with the task would like to have some more information on the Persian preparations(here) and you were one of the main editors of the concerning article (+I liked your work). This is our podcaster: ShakespeareFan00 (please answer on his talk page). Once again: Welcome Wandalstouring 08:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jagged. Would you agree to restore the article to what I regard as the last most "stable" version ? That was the version agreed by us two some time ago. I find that it was better and more neutral than the current one in many aspects. Most edits made inbetween were abundant. What do you say? It may be a good status quo before you and ikkoki reach an agreement in Talk. Cheers. Miskin 01:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

In addition, I agree with you that only nonpartisan sources should be preferred. However I do agree with Ikkoki that lower numbers are given undue weigh, even by Kelly who doesn't seem to specialise on the numbers topic (it's not the focus of his paper). Would you agree to fix a consensus range at 100K-300K? This is more along the lines of mainstream historical references, while it does pay respect to Kelly's claims. What do you think? Miskin 01:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Just read your answer. I guess we could use this as a status quo version and add to it the disputed paragraph on very large and very low figures. Miskin 01:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Battle of the Persian Gate
Hi Jagged, just one question regarding the aformentioned article/battle. Which source did you find citing only 48 hours (2 days) of fighting. This source I found does claim, like the original author of the Wiki article that it was 48 days. Just look near the end of the article I have listed. Hope to hear from you on this. Thanks.--Arsenous Commodore 04:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC) http://www.iranian.ws/cgi-bin/iran_news/exec/view.cgi/13/9026

Taxila
It was a university; I have provided some sources and more will come in good time. For the time being I'm watchlisting the article and will check in on the discussions. Regards, Freedom skies 12:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Last stand
I noticed your edits on Last stand, if you want to cite the lowest possible range (an estimate which has no other supporting sources), then I will simply add the highest possible range as well. Regards.--NeroDrusus 21:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Requests for arbitration/Freedom skies
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.


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Muslim antecedents of anthropology
Thank you for your contribution on Muslim antecedents of anthropology in the History of anthropology page. However, it is not clear from your contribution what exactly these medieval Muslim scholars did that constitutes an antecedent to modern anthropology. A number of earlier scholars wrote about other peoples. For example, Herodotus (484 BCE–ca. 425 BCE) is sometimes called the "father of anthropology" as well as the "father of history", as the first writer in the Western tradition to attempt a comparative description of various peoples and their customs; similarly, the Roman historian Tacitus (ca. 56 – ca. 117 CE) is our source for knowledge of the customs and social organization of many peoples of northwestern Europe, and has matched up well with the archaeological record. I suspect there are likely similar scholars in medieval or ancient China, India, Japan, etc. It would be interesting to know more about the Muslim scholars you cite, if you can expand the current entry, and whether their writings had any sort of historical connection with modern anthropology. If they have not had any particular connection to modern anthropology, then perhaps it would be more appropriate to put them in a section or separate article along the lines of "Comparative studies of culture in the pre-modern period". On the other hand, if they have contributed to or have been taken up by anthropologists or sociologists in the modern Muslim world, perhaps you could add a new section on "Anthropology in the Muslim World" or something along those lines.

I am also a bit concerned at present that the tone is rather uncritical. The first article cited, for instance, is commentary by an anthropological historian, in the context of discussing whether an objective anthropology is compatible with Islam, and citing these two medieval Muslim scholars as evidence that it is possible to practice comparative study of cultures without compromising one's faith in Islam or one's objectivity. Fine and good, but for this section to frame the material adequately really requires far more treatment than is currently present. I am going to edit it a bit to frame it somewhat, but it would be good if Jagged 85 or some other interested party followed up with Akbar's later book to address some of these issues. I will copy this on the talk section of the History of anthropology page. Mccajor 20:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on Islamic Science
Congratulations on the major effort to improve the article on Islamic Science; it now tells us much more about the achievements of Islamic scholars than it did six months ago.

When I first looked at the article it was highly oriented toward the "Islamic Science" movement -- which (as I understand it) maintains that there is one proper Muslim approach to science. At that time I proposed -- and implemented -- a split into two articles: one on Islamic Science and the other on the History of science in the Islamic World.

Thanks to your work, the Islamic Science article is now much more solid as a historical presentation of science in the Islamic World. If your changes survive future edits, I would not object to looking a few months down the line at a merger of the two articles to undo the split.

Would you please take a look at these two articles and see how they relate and how they should relate to the Islam and History of Science wikiprojects. I'd welcome your comments. --SteveMcCluskey 14:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * You're quite welcome.  S h a r k f a c e  2 1 7  03:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jagged
Since you've been involved on many articles with User:Miskin, can you give an input here? --AlexanderPar 19:02, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Mathematics CotW
Hey Jagged, I am writing you to let you know that the Mathematics Collaboration of the week(soon to "of the month") is getting an overhaul of sorts and I would encourage you to participate in whatever way you can, i.e. nominate an article, contribute to an article, or sign up to be part of the project. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks--Cronholm144 22:31, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Indian Mathematics
I noticed that you had added some references to the page. I am in the process of starting a major revision of the page, which I had originally planned to do much earlier (after an RfC in March). I hope you'll have some time to help with the revision, or at least to give feedback and criticism. Regards, Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  01:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Indian mathematics (calculus)
Hey Jagged, I noticed your edits on Calculus. They are good and interesting edits. However I worry that Indian mathematics is receiving a disproportionate space within the history of calculus section, I.E. they receive more space than the Greeks and almost as much space as Newton and Leibniz, is there any way we can compact the info to fit within the current style of the article. I just worry that the role of Indian mathematics in the development of traditional calculus will be over-emphasized. Thanks!--Cronholm144 21:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I suggest that the best place to develop this theme more fully is in the History of calculus article. There isn't really space in the general article to fully develop the Indian mathematics dimension, but of course it must be mentioned, explained and summarized. Geometry guy 21:56, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I have compared your version of the article to the older version and have just realized the more specific objection I have to your changes. Your edits are far too specific compared to the summary style used throughout the rest of the history section. Specifically you use dates, elaborate on the mathematicians themselves, I.E. fourth powers, "an Iraqi mathematician who worked in Egypt" I think what was there originally had a better approach in terms of summary style. This is the most basic treatment of calculus in WP. Even the Europeans (other than Newton and Leibniz) only get "The second half of the 17th century was a time of major innovation in Europe. Calculus provided a new opportunity in mathematical physics to solve long-standing problems. Several mathematicians contributed to these breakthroughs, notably John Wallis and Isaac Barrow. James Gregory proved a special case of the second fundamental theorem of calculus in 1668." which is barely a third of what Indian mathematics now receives. I hope that see what I am saying. I would rather not have to revert your good work. thanks--Cronholm144 00:14, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh by the way, if you look in the archives of the calculus talk page you will see that this issue has already been discussed at some length.

Thanks for making those changes, I have been going over your edits and I have two lingering questions. Would Ibn al-Haytham thought of himself as an Iraqi or as a Persian? Do you think that the section on Indian mathematics should be split chronologically like it is now or should the two sections be consolidated as one, for a more nation by nation feel? I get the feeling you like to speak with your edits, so I will just be watching the article for your answer. Thanks again--Cronholm144 06:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with G.G. that most of the details should be exported to History of calculus, but I'm actually writing to you for a different reason. The Chinese mathematician Liu Hui probably also deserves some mention (in one or the other articles), if only for independent discovery of the method of exhaustion in the 3rd century AD.  Silly rabbit 10:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

History of Science Wiki Project
In the light of your impressive edits on various articles touching on various aspects of science in the Islamic World -- and the interest in mathematics mentioned on your user page -- you might also be interested in the History of Science WikiProject. It's is an attempt to coordinate work on anything remotely related to the history of science and is a good place to get feedback from like-minded editors. --SteveMcCluskey 04:19, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Translations into Latin
Hi,

I just proposed a different alternative title for this article on the talk page. --SteveMcCluskey 12:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Alhacen's heliocentrism?
Hi,

Recently you added the following to the article on Ibn al-Haytham:


 * Ibn al-Haytham]] (Alhacen) was also the first Muslim astronomer to support a heliocentric model of the solar system.

From what I've read by and about Alhacen, I haven't seen any evidence for his heliocentrism. Like many Islamic astronomers, he was critical of the physical basis of Ptolemy's theory -- chiefly Ptolemy's use of the equant -- but as far as I know, he was not critical of Ptolemy's geocentrism. In fact, historians of science credit him with having disseminated a geocentric model of the physical structure of the universe based on Ptolemy's Hypotheses of the Planets that was known by its Latin title as the Liber de mundo et caelo or the Book of the Earth and the Heaven (Grant, "Cosmology", in Lindberg, Science in the Middle Ages, p. 281).

The source you cite in favor of heliocentrism is, judging by its title, not a historical study. Could you please check this out.

Thanks --SteveMcCluskey 18:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I checked the book at Amazon and it includes Qadir's claim that Ibn al-Haytham held the view "that all the planets (except the Moon) are satellites of the Sun" (p. 6). I'm not convinced by this undocumented assertion. --SteveMcCluskey 19:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

 * Sorry to keep harping on this, but I just found another citation from Qadir in the Al-Kindi article in which Qadir attributes the law of Gravitation to al-Kindi and Robert Hooke. I am familiar with al-Kindi's well-known idea that celestial bodies acted as active sources of radiated powers (which relates among other things to astrological influences) but I had never heard of al-Kindi claiming a principle of gravitation.  I know a bit more about the relation between Hooke and Newton on the matter of gravitation, and Qadir's account differs significantly from those of Richard Westfall, Alexandre Koyré and others who have studied the matter in detail.


 * And that's the problem. Qadir is a well-published physicist (I found 88 of his papers in the Smithsonian astrophysical data system) but as a historian, he's a rank amateur. He tends to read things from a modern perspective and ignore the important differences between medieval concepts and modern ones.  Your work of tightening up the sources on Islamic science is commendable, but the sources you are using are not the most reliable.


 * Two good sources I would recommend as starting points would be the Encyclopedia of Islam and the Dictionary of Scientific Biography. Both contain signed articles written by experts on the topics discussed, and often include bibliographies as well.  --SteveMcCluskey 02:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Please see my last post on the Talk:Indian mathematics page. Fowler&amp;fowler «Talk»  16:07, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

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Could you explain the notation in Brahmagupta interpolation formula? Michael Hardy 00:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Mathematical induction
Hi, do you have a copy of "Ideas of Calculus in India and Islam"? Katz does not claim al-Haytham used induction, nut in fact states that he gave proves for k=1, k=2, k=3, and k=4 and then assumed it hold for any value of k and that these proofs were general enough that one could easily build an inductive proof from it. However, since al-Haytham did not proof that if k holds than k+1 holds, the crucial step in an inductive proof, he did not do induction at all. I don't have a copy of Katz' History of mathematics (but can look it up in the library tomorrow) so I can't currently comment on al-Karaji's work but the comment at MacTutor ("Al-Karaji also uses a form of mathematical induction in his arguments, although he certainly does not give a rigorous exposition of the principle.") indicates that it cannot be said that he published the first proof by induction without additional comments. —Ruud 15:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Mixing in here: I don't know the details of the proof in question, but as Ruud describes it, it sounds as though if we're going to allow that as a proof by induction, then we also need to include one or more of Euclid's proofs. I think the proofs of the infinitude of primes and of the validity of the Euclidean algorithm for gcd are also "implicitly" by induction in the above sense. --Trovatore 20:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Stealth game
I just wanted to give you a heads up. I removed MGS 2 from the important games list, because I didn't think what you listed was notable in regards to the advancement of the stealth genre, not to mention most of what you were crediting to MGS 2 had been done by other games years earlier; three dimensional playing field, enemy weak spots, tranquilizer gun, hanging off ledges, peaking around corners, clearing the game without killing guards, walking slowly, and distracting guards with items. Other elements listed were essentially superfluous, such as hiding in lockers. From a gameplay perspective it's really no different than MG2's advancement with the ability to hide in vents and other crawlspaces. Likewise, guards working together in order to systematically search for a hiding player after being detected is essential to be a stealth game at all. That they have body armor and shields when searching for you has more to do with the action elements of the game and isn't specifically a stealth mechanic.

I also removed your additions to MGS because those too weren't really stealth gameplay elements.

On a more positive note, I'm very appreciative for your addition of MG2 to the list. Most of the game's contributions to the genre had been part of the genre for so long I guess I took them for granted when editing the list.

Anyway, while making this comment for you, I realized that there wasn't anything labeling what qualified a game for the list, so I added a description to make it easier for other editors and readers to understand what it's all about.

Ubersuntzu 07:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Due to having a first person perspective, both Thief and Deus Ex had weak spots, Deus Ex had a tranq gun, Tenchu had hanging on ledges, Deus Ex had peeking around corners, Thief started different walking speeds, which Deus Ex also had, distracting guards with items was in Tenchu, hiding bodies was in Thief, and again in Deus Ex.

The reason I didn't add them to the list was because things like weak spots isn't even a stealth mechanic, and things like hanging on ledges is more of a control issue, it'd be like listing the first stealth game to allow you to jump.

Even guards working together in squads is arguable, since in previous games Thief, when searching for the player, guards won't search the same area as other guards unless the area they think you're in is too small for them to branch out in. Likewise, the idea of different squad is just there to make it more realistic. In terms of gameplay, if the regular guards and flashed repeatedly like in an old NES game, and suddenly had armor and ballistic shields, it wouldn't be any different for the player than the way they currently radio in a special squad.

Ubersuntzu 02:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Citation Style
I've been watching your additions to the article on Latin translations, but an a bit concerned about your citation style. You tend to use the same citation repetitively in different places, without citing the specific (and presumably different) pages where the works cited deal with these different topics.

Citing specific pages is one of historians' expectations, so that citations can be easily checked.

Thanks for all the good work, SteveMcCluskey 13:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I got your reply. You're right that you do cite pages, sorry about that. The thing that caught my eye was that you use the same citations (which cite the same range of pages) to support different facts. I imagine part of it is the difference between scientific style of citations where the same footnote is used over and over and the historical style where footnote numbers are never repeated and always point to the specific passage being discussed.

My preference is to try to maintain a consistent citation style in each article, following whatever pattern has already been established. When no consistent pattern can be detected, I've occasionally edited to establish one. Steve 20:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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History of Astronomy misconceptions
Hi Jagged,

I have recently looked for sources supporting and criticizing a number of misconceptions appearing in discussions concerning the History of astronomy. If you know of any sources related to these myths, please add them to the discussion at Talk:History of astronomy/Common misconceptions. --SteveMcCluskey 20:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Hero of Alexandria
Hello Jagged,

I have just added a comment to Talk:Steam engine on your recent edit, if you are interested.--John of Paris 11:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

CopyVio at al-Biruni
Jagged,

I was looking at your recent additions to al-Biruni and found a number of sections that have been taken verbatim from other sources on the web. There are several problems here.
 * First, and least importantly, web sources are not ranked highly in the discussion of WP:Verifiability
 * More importantly, such direct quotations (even with attribution) constitute copyright violations and are a violation of Wikipedia policy and as noted in Copyright problems are eligible for speedy deletion.
 * In some cases, you even quote the footnotes from the source you are citing, which is an implicit claim that you have personally read that source and have used it in your writing. Unless you have done so, that is deliberately misleading the reader; see Citing sources.

I appreciate the major effort you have made to improve the articles on Islamic science, but I am increasingly disturbed about your use of sources. Please only use reliable sources, please do not plagiarize, and only cite materials that you have actually read.

--SteveMcCluskey 13:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Hellenistic stuff
Please Jagged, refrain from making unsourced edits in topics of Hellenistic culture, cities and people. In my opinion you have an erroneous perception of the era, this is why non-obvious edits should come with sources, and not just abstract edit-summaries. If you don't agree with something you should add a fact tag, or replace it with sourced content. By replacing it with a personal opinion, there is no improvement. Miskin 17:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Discussion at History of Astronomy
Jagged,

I hope you will enter into the discussion at Talk:History of astronomy. It would be better if you would engage in discussion to arrive at consensus before making edits that will only need to be deleted or cleaned up after. --SteveMcCluskey 15:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Jagged,

This section was growing out of hand, so I moved it to its own page Talk:History of astronomy/Common misconceptions. I've also added some summaries of the topics at issue expressing what I see as the scholarly consensus and disagreements on various points; you might want to look that over. The Islamic material seems pretty clear cut but there is a broader range of opinion on Indian heliocentrism. --SteveMcCluskey 15:28, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Al-Khazini
Hi, I've nominated an article you worked on, Al-Khazini, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know where you can improve it if you see fit. Regards,  howcheng  {chat} 20:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Away till next week
Jagged,

Just a note to let you know that I'll be away from the computer until sometime next week. I won't be ignoring you :-) --SteveMcCluskey 17:47, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

11th century
Great work on adding pictures and new information to the 11th century article. I'm the one who expanded it greatly (about 85%, lol), and any help is appreciated. Thanks!--PericlesofAthens 05:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Gothic architecture
I'm just about to do a major overhaul, but I will retain what is useful. I came across your recent edit, and I'm writing to you as a person who does major and extensive editting (almost entirely rewrote Renaissance architecture, wrote Italian Renaissance painting rewrote Leonardo da Vinci etc.) I've been asked to do over this one as well.

What I want to say is this, there are two paragraphs, one after the other, that describe how Abbott Suger designed the first fully Gothic structure in Europe. Now it says something like:-


 * "Abbott Suger did ... ... ... at the Church of St Denis. Islamic architecture also influenced Gothic architecture. The Church (ie. the specific one that Abbott Suger built, referred to in the previous paragraph) had this feature, that feature, the other feature."

It is true that Islamic architecture influenced Gothic. There's nothing to be argued with, except that you have crashed a general statement worthy of its own paragraph right into the middle of an extremely specific section about one architect and one building of absolutely prime importance.

Please don't do this sort of stuff, regardless of how true the information might be. Read the consecutive paragraphs and see if they are linked. If they do happen to be on the same subject, then you have made nonsense out of them by a well-intentioned, well-referenced edit.

Apart from vandalism, this is the type of editting which I remove from articles almost every day, simply because the person who added it hasn't read the article well enough before making the change. --Amandajm 10:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The paragraph begins by describing the church that Suger built. it is a church of unique importance which is why it is written about in the paragraph entitled origins. Islamic architecture could/ought to be included under the same sub-heading, with its own sub-sub heading. It will be. Right now I'm trying to organise the Italian gothic thing. Not an easy ask.

--Amandajm 11:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Sake Dean Mahomet
Really helpful edits, thanks. Itsmejudith 20:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Ibn al-Haytham
Salam. What's your idea about Good article nomination?-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 03:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I put a comment for you.

Muslim history task force
Salam again. I've made a new task force(WikiProject Islam/Muslim history task force) in WikiProject Islam and I invite you to participate in it because you active in relevant articles like Muslim history. God bless you.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 04:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Al-Farabi
Salam. Somebody had nominated this article as a good article and i put on hold tag on it. Can you please help us with it.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 03:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * We really need your help in this case.-- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 11:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Would you be interested in joining the Wikipedia Crime Project?
I have seen that you like to contribute to serial killer articles I am trying to organize a task force on this subject under WikiProject Criminal Biography. If you would be interested in joining contact me. Thanks, Jmm6f488 19:31, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Abacus
A lot of material was added to the article and I just finished editing it. May I ask you to take a look and make sure everything checks out? Davies, Andrew 11:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

hellenistic again
Hi jagged. I couldn't help but noticing that you've been interested in "revising" what has already been established on western historiography and science. This is your right as long as you avoid original research and abide by the policies, especially WP:UNDUE. If you want my opinion, a meaningful and wise contribution would be to explore the influences of Babylonian and Egyptian science in early ancient Greek mathematics. Swapping terms such as "Greek" and "Hellenistic", linking "Egyptian" to the Islamic civilisation and the modern nation, and other anachronistic edits of that sort, will only add confusion and abstraction in an article. There are many pending issues on the importance of ancient non-western and medieval Islamic influences on western science, but counting how many Alexandrian Greeks were not full-blooded is not one of them. I can try to help you with anything you like regarding primary or secondary sources on mathematics and science. Miskin 17:25, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I share this concern. Neither at Diophantus nor at Plotinus did your edits leave the article in a balanced and neutral form on this subject.  It is important to try to distinguish between good academic sources & their consensus, on the one hand, and outdated viewpoints never widely embraced, on the other.  Most of your points have received discussion (if not consensus-generating discussion) in quality sources, so that you can find those and use them more in your edits, with due care taken to indicate the plurality of views.  I would especially caution against putting such claims in the lead of articles, as this is not the place for controversial claims; a single footnote to George Sarton there does not make it appropriate for the lead.  Wareh 15:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator selection
The Military history WikiProject coordinator selection process is starting. We are looking to elect nine coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please sign up here by August 14! Kirill 03:23, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

List of important publications in mathematics
Please help improve this article. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 02:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator election
The Military history WikiProject coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting nine coordinators from a pool of fourteen candidates to serve for the next six months. Please vote here by August 28! Wandalstouring 08:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Indian astronomy
Indian astronomy contained factual errors : it stated that Varah Mihir and Brahmagupta were followers of the author of Aryabhatiya. I gave well sourced correct version. You refined the syntax, which is good. Thanks.  Vinay Jha  Vinay Jha 06:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Copy edits of Ibn al-Haytham article
Hi, I very much enjoyed the Ibn al-Haytham article, and tried to pay my rent by doing a chunk of copy editing. Hope it's helpful -- I just realized that you're based in London, so will be double-checking in the morning to see that I haven't substituted American-English conventions for British-English conventions; it's something I should know. Have a look, and let me know if there's anything you disagree with or dislike.

-- PatriciaJH 05:17, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Notifiying about a vote
Hello. The article Stereotypes of whites is being nominated for deletion. If you want, you could state your opinion here. Thank you. M.V.E.i. 11:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi! The page ended up getting deleted, but someone else recreated it anyway. Hopefully it will be better this time around. Thanks for weighing in! --Drenched 03:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

History of bacteriology
Hi there, I've temporarily removed that section you added to the history sections of bacteria and microorganism since the source didn't meet our policy. I'm interested in this claim though and am open to adding it to the articles if it is verifiable - have you any better sources to support this? I'm particularly interested in how somebody could discover microorganisms before microscopes were invented, I can't see how that would work. All the best, Tim Vickers 16:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I did some searching and this doesn't seem to be true. Although this man undoubtedly understood that diseases could be infectious, he did not discover microorganisms:
 * "In the 11th century, Avicenna advised that in treating a laceration ‘a sponge soaked in astringent wine may be applied to the part’ (Gruner, 1930b), as did Theodorich (Campbell & Colton, 1955–1960c). Although the concept of bacteria and infection had not been discovered, the use of wine and vinegar should have had a beneficial effect." From The integration of the palaeopathology and medical history of the crusades Piers D. Mitchell International Journal of Osteoarchaeology Volume 9, Issue 5, Pages 333 - 343
 * Hope this helps, Tim Vickers 16:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Good additions, thank you. The history of Islamic and Chinese science is often under-appreciated in the West. Thank you for doing a little to redress this bias. Tim Vickers 20:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thermometer
The Thermometer article received heavy editing today by unregistered users, which I noticed at WikiRage.com. The article may benefit from a good review. According to Wikipedia Page History Statistics, you are one of the top contributors to that page. If you have the time, would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. Thanks. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 07:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject History of Science newsletter : Issue III - September 2007
The September 2007 issue of the WikiProject History of Science newsletter has been published. You're receiving this because you are a participant in the History of Science WikiProject. You may read the newsletter or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Yours in discourse--ragesoss 01:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Ali
Salam Alaykum.

Thanks God, finally I found one of my friend who is active in this month. I've done a lot of efforts i Ali article. But due to the fact that I'm not a native speaker of English there would be some grammatical mistakes. Can you please check that article before I nominate it as a good article. Thaks a lot. -- Sa.vakilian(t-c) 18:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

A contribution!
Thanks Jagged. It's good to see somebody other than me putting something on the History of economic thought page, and cheers for keeping the same format, etc. I've kind of run out of steam on it recently. You couldn't do some of the later stuff as well could you?  Wik idea  08:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

3RR violation on Aisha
You appear to have violated the 3RR on this article. A less committed editor who was not using the article talk page would have been blocked for this. Please cease edit warring on this article. I suggest that you continue your discussion on the talk page and reach a consensus for any changes you wish to make. Further disruption will result in a block. Thank you. Spartaz Humbug! 07:17, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Golden Age
Seeing your interest and edits in the Islamic Golden Age, I thought you might be interested in a related page that could use some attention as well: Golden age of Jewish culture in the Iberian Peninsula.--Tigeroo 21:09, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Empires
As someone who took part in the editing of List of largest empires, you might be interested in trying to help in this case. Thank you. PocketMoon 11:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Eid Mubarak
Your friendly neighborhood Muslim.

If you object to the above message, please remove it, accept my apologies and notify me on my talk page.

Leonardo
I've removed your last edits. It really is a bit of an overkill. There is reason to think that perhaps Leonardo's mother may have been Arabic. But we really know nothing about her background except that a document says that Ser Piero (Leonardo's father) own an Arabic Slave. This doesn't even mean that she was Arabic. Terms of that nature were often used very freely. Leonardo's employer, for example, was called "the Moor" which merely emplies that he had black hair and dark eyes.

We have been told that one of Leonardo's fingerprints has a form that is found in a percentage of Arabic people, but the article does not tell us which other among the world's peoples have this form and how frequently it occurs amongg Italians. Without that information, the article is meaningless.

So we really cannot say that Leonardo was an Arabic scientist, Arabic painter or anything else like that. You must have seen that there was no long list saying "Italian painter" Italian scientist etc etc etc, and since the man did not identify as Arabic in his writings it is inappropriate. Amandajm 03:03, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Antikythera mechanism
I apologize for accidentally erasing your edits. I've restored them in full. &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 07:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of History of West Eurasia
An article that you have been involved in editing, History of West Eurasia, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you.

Battle of Thermopylae GA sweeps review: On Hold
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the requirements of the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I have recently reviewed Battle of Thermopylae and have determined that it is in very good shape but need some assistance to remain a GA. I have put the article on hold for seven days until the issues on the talk page of the article are addressed. I wanted to mention it here since you have significantly edited the article in the past (determined by using WikiDashboard), and if interested, could assist in improving the article and help it to remain a GA. It currently has a few problems concerning inline citations and other general fixes. Additionally, I will be leaving messages on other WikiProjects and editors affiliated with the page to increase the number of participants assisting in the workload.

If you have any questions about what I've said here, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 23:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Gundeshapur (Jundishapar)
I'm impressed by the work you've been putting in at Islamic medicine. Since it looks as though you've done some study in this area, and have access to some quite good library resources, I'd be interested in anything you could add on Talk:Gundeshapur. Specifically, there seems to be an academic debate on whether there's any evidence of a medical "academy" at Jundishapar before the middle of the 8th century. Unfortunately, armed merely with Google books, I haven't been able to get to the substantive content of the discussion beyond the relatively superficial second and third-hand quotes I've posted there. I was wondering, do you have better access to the articles and literature I've seen cited, but haven't had a chance to examine? I'd be very interested to know more. (Completely apropos, it would also be nice to add a map reference to the presumed site).

Cheers, Jheald 23:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

DYK question
I just nominated your article, Muslim Agricultural Revolution, for October 21 but now I see that you have already nominated it for October 20. (Actually, the article history says October 21!) Anyway, do you want to move yours up to replace mine - because I do think the 21rst is the right date? Do you want to remove mine or leave my hook as an alternate hook? What ever you want. I'll help you in any way! Regards, -- Mattisse  20:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. I've already used a reference in your article in the Qanat article. -- Mattisse  20:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, whatever you want about the hook or hooks. Of course, he is credited with the nomination since he did nominate your article first. It is a great article. Going by the history, it was started on October 21, and that is to your advantage (not that you will need it) because it gives you one more day of eligibility. Does the other user know about the situation? If not, I can contact him if you want, or you can. Having alternate hooks never hurts. You probably should check the hooks for accuracy (at least mine)! Hooks can be tweaked over the next few days also. Frequently hook inspiration comes to me a day or so later! Between the three of use, there should be no hook inspiration problem!  -- Mattisse  21:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Need your help with Jagadish Chandra Bose
You may have noticed that Jagadish Chandra Bose recently had a GA review and it failed. The review comments are available at: Talk:Jagadish_Chandra_Bose. I have tried to address as many concerns as I can and still working on some. But there are a few areas which need input from the earlier references that were used.

I see that you contributed significantly to this article earlier. I'd request your help to address the concerns mentioned in the GA review. Let's collaborate to make this article a Good Article. Arman (Talk) 01:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Muslim scholar template
Salam, would you please add Template:Infobox Muslim scholars in the articles which you're editing. There's another template, Template:Infobox_Philosopher. But the later template doesn't include all issues which are important for us. Thanks-- Seyyed(t-c) 06:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Abu Mansour
Why did you remove Abu Mansour's Persian background with a misleading edit summery? = Iraq does not = Arab, the western region of Iran is also called Iraq, or the "Ajam Iraq", and it has nothing to do with the county of Iraq, but even the country of Iraq at that time was a mix of Arabs and Persians....please be more careful before making edits like that. Thanks. --07fan 09:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Islamic economic jurisprudence
Shouldn't much of the new text, such as Early Muslim commerce, be in Islamic economics in the world article? rather than Islamic economic jurisprudence? --BoogaLouie (talk) 21:49, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Point taken. I've moved the new text to Islamic economics in the world instead. Jagged 85 (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Avicenna
Salam,

I saw your edition here. I'm doubtful that he was Shia or Sunni or even non of them. I put a comment here. But if you want to add the name of some Sunni scholars in Sunni-Shia relations article who were Persian I can introduce them. For example Abu Hanifa an-Nu‘man, Muhammad al-Bukhari, Hakim al-Nishaburi, ibn Jarir al-Tabari, Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, Khayyam, Attar. -- Seyyed(t-c) 19:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I put several comment on the talk page of that article. I just want ask a question. I hope it doesn't bother you. To what extent do you familiar with theology and philosophy in Islam? I mean do you familiar with the main philosophical schools and their differences with the main theological schools? do you familiar with the differences in the methodology and goals of these two field of knowledge? I didn't ask these questions to humiliate you. Your surprising idea that Avecinna is a Mu'tazili theologian made me ask these questions. Pardon me, if I bothered you.-- Seyyed(t-c) 18:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I found an online version of Corbin's book which may be interesting for you. -- Seyyed(t-c) 18:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He could be but all of his importance is for his philosophical innovations. As I know he didn't write anything from Mu'tazili viewpoint such as theological books like Qazi Abdu al-Jabbar or tafsir like Zemakhshari or history like Ibn Abi al-Hadid and Masu'di. I'm familiar with Mu'tazili scholar and have never heared his name among them due to the fact that he didn't participate in theological discussions. However you can find a source for your claim.-- Seyyed(t-c) 19:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Islamic mathematics
Hi,

This page is supposed to be about Mathematics in Medieval Islamic World, not about modern mathematicians with Muslim background (such as L. A. Zadeh). Jahāngard (talk) 03:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Islamic issues
As may know we can recognize a field of knowledge as "Islamic field" when there is especial problems or answers or methods which relates to Islam. We can use the phrase of Islamic philosophy and Islamic theology due to the fact that there are many specific problems, answers or methods which relate to Islam as Nasr and Corbin show in their books like. But in the cases such as mathematics we can't use this phrase but we should use Muslim mathematics. -- Seyyed(t-c) 16:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

A comment for you
Salam again,

I put a comment for you here. I think it can help you in other articles which you work on. How would be great if my English were better or you were familiar with Persian and Arabic. I found a big lingual barrier. There are numerous Primary and secondary sources in Persian as well as new academic ones. In fact the light of wisdom never faded here and Iran and to some extent India were carried the heritage to modern world. But due to the political and religious gaps most of the people neglect this heritage. Can you believe there is a "polymath" in Qom who is similar to scholars of Islamic golden age?-- Seyyed(t-c) 04:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That polymath is "Hasan Hasan Zadeh Amoli" one of the students of Allameh Tabatabaei. You could find numerous information about him if he had political sermons. But unfortunately a few people pay attention to knowledge and few persons care about wisdom.-- Seyyed(t-c) 03:02, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Teleological argument and Ibn Rushd
I now understand why you moved the material in teleological argument and provided a separate section for Ibn Rushd (Averroes). My mistake in organizing it that way back in early 2006. I'm accustomed seeing Averroes and Maimonides included in the scholastic-era philosophical discussion, since their ideas fed one another and interacted so readily. But you are correct that Ibn Rushd wasn't part of what is generally regarded as scholasticism per se. Thanks. ... Kenosis 18:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Fire Cupping
I would like to solicite your help wih a vandal by the name of "I do not exist" who has displayed aclear bias towards anything Islamic. He has had other activity on Voodoo pages promoting homosexuality - all to give examples of his obvious bias. I am not so experienced and am finding it hard tp stop this person. Thanks. Go to Fire Cupping to see what I mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.226.7.46 (talk) 04:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Inventions in the Muslim world
Salam, Is this article ready to be nominated as a good article.-- Seyyed(t-c) 04:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I check it again carefully. It's more like a list, thus it should be nominated as a Featured list. GA wikiproject doesn't assess lists. I'll write my idea about the article in TODo template in the talk page En Sha Allah.-- Seyyed(t-c) 15:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Post Avicennism
Salam again, I completed that part of article. I intended to show how Islamic philosophy diverged after him from Aristotelianism toward Sufi philosophy or philosophical sufism(Transcendent theosophy) as Corbin describes in his book. But was I successful?-- Seyyed(t-c) 16:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Karz (film)
Since when did Rajkiran act in Karz instead of Rishi Kapoor ? -- User:Matuag 07:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies. Please disregard my previous message. I was under the assumption that you had mentioned Rajkiran as the musician. -- User:Matuag 07:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

December 2007
Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:Mauryan_map.gif
An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Mauryan_map.gif, has been listed at Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jusjih (talk • contribs) 04:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Islamic science
Salam Alaykum

As I know you like to work in this field. Thus I advise you to study Hossein Nasr's works. This is the introduction of his thysis and these his current ideas, -- Seyyed(t-c) 11:26, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:Islamic mathematics
Hello Jagged 85, I would just like to remind you that the highlighted mathematicians in the "mathematicians" section of Template:Islamic mathematics are to be only the most famous or influential Islamic mathematicians. You appear to have highlighted between a third and a half of all mathematicians in the list and so the point of having highlights has been lost. Please rectify this situation.

Take care. selfworm Talk ) 17:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

A comment for you
Salam.

I saw your last edition in Avicenna's article. As I've heared from the Islamic philosophers there is a difference between these two ideas. I put a comment for you in the talk page. But it was difficult for me to translate the issue into English. I'll ask Ali doostzadeh to help us with it.-- Seyyed(t-c) 06:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried to add another POV .-- Seyyed(t-c) 06:57, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Skyscraper
Hi,

Your recent edits are alright, but however we go according to Emporis and CTBUH rules, and, we cannot consider Burj Dubai as the World's Tallest skyscraper as it is still underconstruction. As also, There is already an article expressing Burj Dubai, and all the facts, figures and pictures are already in that article, so there's no need for further verififcation in Skyscraper. As for the skyline imagery, we only allow 16:9 or panoramic pictures. Huge ones will be removed as it causes layout problems and its unsightly. Just to let you have a brief history that the skyscraper article has been a prime target by many users to overload it with many pictures for over the past 5 years. GA Nominators aren't too happy about all this, so I'm very sorry if I had to reduce and clean up. Please assume good faith.

Thank you.

Someformofhuman Speak now!  02:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You had other edits?? Oh man... my apologies, I didn't realise that you had other edits made!! Sorry!! I'm so terribly sorry, damn to my brain... :) Maybe because all I see are the changes in images, but was blind enough not to look out for your smaller edits made to islamic architecture... My, my apologies...


 * Someformofhuman Speak now!  03:03, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, I see the problem too... All I know is that FireFox's browser engine is a total rebuild as compared to IE, so basically some of the elements can't be seen. All I know is that IE doesn't seem to cause such a "disappearing edit" link problem because of the way it was engineered I think. It happens to other articles too, if I'm using FF, so you're not alone. :) Anyway, I found a page regarding users editing with FF, Wikipedia:Text editor support. I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but I think you need extensions for this... But I agree, FF is a little screwed when it comes to Wiki editing.


 * Someformofhuman Speak now!  03:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Islamic astronomy
Assalamualaikum, (Peace be upon you)

You have tirelessly contributed to the article on Islamic astronomy. Your contributions have elevated the status of the article above a B-class assesment. Thus I'd like to, with your permission, nominate the article for GA status. Please share your thoughts with me on my talk page.Bless sins (talk) 18:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm trying to edit the article so as to make it continuous. One problem, as Itaqallah pointed out it that there may be a lot of small sections. I'm currently trying to fix that. I'm also thinking off splitting off the section Islamic_astronomy into a new article: "List of notable Muslim astronomy books", "Muslim astronomical literature". The reason is that the current section gives no sources. It also gives no background or even description or reason for being famous and notable. What do you think?Bless sins (talk) 20:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Template:User Islamic Philosophy
Salam Alaykum, What's your idea about this template:Template:User Islamic Philosophy. Of course, there is just few persons who involved in this issue and I don't think it isn't good idea to make a new task force.-- Seyyed(t-c) 15:11, 30 December 2007 (UTC)