User talk:Jakob.scholbach/Archives/2007/December

Small improvement to zeteo
The fastest way for me to input data is to get it from MathSciNet in BibTeX form and then import it into the database. The page numbers in mathscinet use TeX form (--) for en dashes. If zeteo could automatically change -- to &amp;ndash; or – in page ranges, I would be able to do the import without having to edit anything. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * This should actually already be the case. For example, look at http://zeteo.info/references.php?id=295. The page entry in the datbase "1055--1070" (with double hyphen, as it comes from MathScinet), but the citation template reads


 * (with an en dash). My idea behind was not to change the user's input (either manual or via parsing Bibtex etc.) in order to avoid confusion and possible maltransformations. Only the citation template output (which is effectively the only real purpose) gets formatted. Jakob.scholbach 22:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * (with an en dash). My idea behind was not to change the user's input (either manual or via parsing Bibtex etc.) in order to avoid confusion and possible maltransformations. Only the citation template output (which is effectively the only real purpose) gets formatted. Jakob.scholbach 22:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I didn't notice it gets changed when the citation tag is produced. The BibTeX import is very helpful, since as I said MathSciNet already has info for many papers.
 * Do you run a regular backup of zeteo? I would appreciate the opportunity to download a database backup from time to time, so there is an extra layer of redundancy in case you need to leave Wikipedia. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 14:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I need to figure out how to set up a good automatic backup. For the moment, I'v send you via email the contents of the database. Jakob.scholbach 19:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Adding blah
Hi. When adding references to articles, your links include a prepended interwiki en: that is unnecessary within english wikipedia (and also apparently causes problems with WP:AWB). You've also been adding these to references that already had working links (see for example and ). It seems like you have some sort of database you use, could you please modify things accordingly. Thanks. RobHar (talk) 23:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, btw. I've been using zeteo for all new references when available, and it is quite handy.  The en: thing I usually have to fix.  Another silly systematic problem is publisher=Cambridge University Press|place=Cambridge which happens to be a violation of section 3, subsection 46, paragraph 12 of Template:Citation which says not to include the place name if the place name is included in the name of the publisher and the publisher is a university press.  I don't know how you could have missed that one.


 * publication-place (or place): The city of publication. If more than one town/city is listed on the title page, give the first one or the location of the publisher's head office. If the city is not well-known, you may add a county, region, or state. States in the U.S. are denoted by a two-letter code; for example: place=Paris, TX (no period at the end). Where the publisher is a university and the place or location is included in the name of the university, do not use this parameter.
 * Thanks for zeteo, it has made it much easier to improve references (cost in my time of adding a reference much lower) and improved the consistency. JackSchmidt (talk) 00:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I see. I will omit the "en:" prefix when exporting the templates. (This was intended for later, when the database is hopefully serving not only the en.wikipedia, but also others. But for now it is clearly meaningless, I agree). As for the other problem with the location of publishers etc.: I cannot be responsible for the validity nor the formal adherence to every paragraph written in some guidelines. I imported the information from Wikipedia articles and some also from Bibtex files, so this information was there somewhere. So, Jack, if you come across such a problem, please just edit yourself the publisher, in this case CUP and delete the location parameter. The quality of the database is in need of some manual work. For example, if you look up all publishers "Cambridge" it gives you 18 publishers, 15 of which are effectively the same, namely CUP. Some of them do have a location in the name, some have abbreviations... You can help by redirecting the "malformatted" publishers to the one which is good. (To do so, edit the malformatted item, input Cambridge in the redirect field and choose the corresponding well-formatted item. Then, when exporting a publication of the malformatted one, the wikilink, name and (if existing) location of the well-formatted will be shown instead). Many thanks for your help! Jakob.scholbach (talk) 10:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I will endeavour to fix exisintg "en:"s, note that they are also being generated for some of the "...link =" arguments. Rich Farmbrough, 12:18 6 December 2007 (GMT).


 * I've fixed the problem. (I didn't know that AWB moves the blah links to the end.) Thank you, Rich, for cleaning the stuff up. Jakob.scholbach (talk) 16:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Discussion of bibliographic tools at WP:VPT
Hello Jakob. The Zeteo tool is one of those being discussed in this thread. EdJohnston (talk) 19:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

SICI, in case you don't see it there. :-) It's not good for regular users to be used in links, though. — Omegatron 06:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)