User talk:Jaksmata/Archive 2008

LDS Temples
Thought you might like this page I made that has pictures of the temples in ascending order by height. Works best on a monitor with over 1500px width. -- Trödel 00:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks :-) –  j ak s mata  14:27, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Looks like consensus on the village pump is to move the data pages to the template namespace (or template talk namespace - I'm really sure what some people mean). I would propose that we move it to LDS Temple/name of temple and not include the word data - but wanted to get your thoughts. We should also put an explanation at LDS Temple with a #REDIRECT to LDS Temple list - so that if someone uses LDS Temple they will get list template, and also if someone clicks the up a level link on the subpage they will get a message letting them know some detail and pointing them to the project page. Sorry I didn't listen to you back in April - I had forgotten that I had advocated that location so strongly - like I said at VP - your comments must have persuaded me because I've been thinking they should be in the template namespace for a while now. -- Trödel 15:06, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. I say we go ahead and move them. I think there was some confusion about the namespace name, but we should move them to "template", not "template_talk". I'm kinda busy with non-WP stuff, so I probably won't be able to help until Saturday (Jan. 5). –  j ak s mata  16:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Moving them to LDS Temple/name of temple sounds fine to me. –  j ak s mata  16:47, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I was hoping we could find a bot to move them :) - I've got soccer practice ans some other commitments on Sat but should be able to do some this weekend also. -- Trödel 05:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, I have asked a few people on Flickr that have great pictures "all rights reserved" to allow me to use their picture on Wikipedia or change the licensing to cc-sa-by - but have only been successful once. Have you had any luck doing something similar - flickr seems to be the best bet for getting a comprehensive group of pictures for the temples, but too many people reserve all rights on their photos - some not really realizing, I don't think what it means - there is one set of pics from 2005, where the photographer says he likes these pictures he took and wants to share them with everyone but marked them (C) and now I think he has moved on because no newer pics have been posted and there is no response to any email.

Anyway - any good ideas you have on how to get more pics of the temples we don't have pics for would be appreciated. -- Trödel 15:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't have any ideas right now, but it seems like a lot of pictures are around - from what I can tell, temples are popular subjects for amateur LDS photographers. –  j ak s mata  16:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree - it is a favorite subject - unfortunately they all copyright (or mark at non-commercial) their stuff instead of licensing it freely :( -- Trödel 05:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow - all those moves manually - thanks alot - sorry I haven't been around. -- Trödel 22:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. (The moves weren't as time consuming as fixing all the redirects!) –   j ak s mata  22:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my cut 'n paste error on Template:LDS Temple/Draper Utah Temple - I looked, and looked, and...missed the caption! MeekMark (talk) 23:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:MemberOfCongressReligion
A tag has been placed on Template:MemberOfCongressReligion requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

If the template is intended to be substituted, please feel free to remove the speedy deletion tag and please consider putting a note on the template's page indicating that it is substituted so as to avoid any future mistakes (&lt;noinclude>&#123;{transclusionless}}&lt;/noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Rollback
I looked through your contributions and I believe that when you have reverted edits, you have done so appropriately. So, I have added rollback rights to your account. Please note that rollback should be used only for blatant vandalism and does not leave a useful edit summary. I hope you find it useful, but if not, just ask and I will remove it. —Remember the dot (talk) 22:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks! There are actually a lot of articles that I watch for vandalism, and that could be handy. –   j ak s mata  22:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

LDS Temples under construction
FYI - I believe I have under construction temples working with the data template - I have created the LDS Temple/Curitiba Brazil Temple data page. Let me know if you see any problems. -- Trödel 04:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it works great. I like the idea of using one template that changes behavior based on the temple's status. –   j ak s mata  16:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh Noes!


WarthogDemon has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message. - Warthog Demon  19:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Leonard Dembo
Changes I appreciate your changes to the contribution by Ishe Chinyoka, which i think were in good faith. However, i think it was not cool for you to make those changes in the first, why??? Well, there are some things that are common knowledge in Zimbabwe. We people from Zimbabwe, we know this, but nobody has ever written anything about it, hence there is no way to quote it. i.e: Ask anybody from Zimbabwe, they know that Dembo was known throughout the country as Musoro Wenyoka. That is redundant common knowledge in Zimbabwe.

That said, i will go ahead and try to salvage the article by making relevant corrections, formatting it etc. I will be doing that in the next few weeks.

I feel that it is CRIMINAL to delete anything from Wikipedia. It is always good to modify/add/contribute. If you can't edit the page, ask other users like us from Zimbabwe who know issues about this article. (i created this page). Here in Zimbabwe, information is difficult to get, so i feel that when somebody has added something, it should be protected (edit to meet the standards) rather than deleted. I think the writer provided valuable information, and i think it is sad to delete it because the formatting is bad or such. I agree with the concerns you raised on the sources, which i will sort out as time goes on.

Samwise Gamgee 00:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Conclusion: Image placeholders centralized discussion
Hi. I'm sending this to you because you participated in the Centralized discussion on image placeholders that ended on 23 April.

That discussion must produce a conclusion.

We originally asked  "Should the addition of this box [example right] ''be allowed? Does the placeholder system and graphic image need to be improved to satisfy policies and guidelines for inclusion? Is it appropriate to some kinds of biographies, but not to others?" '' (See introduction).

Conclusions to centralized discussions are either marked as 'policy', 'guideline', 'endorsed', 'rejected', 'no consensus', or 'no change' etc. We should now decide for this discussion.

Please read and approve or disapprove the section here: Conclusion --Kleinzach (talk) 11:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Please note this message conforms to WP:CANVASSING and has not been sent to anyone has not already participated in the centralized discussion.

Image Placeholders
I give up. I'm taking it off my watchlist. Best of luck to you. I hope it works out.Northwesterner1 (talk) 00:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Vondelpark
Thank you for you comment to the Vondelpark article entry on Template talk:Did you know. I further expanded the section about the facilities in the park. How much work does the article still need to meet the requirements to be eligible for Did you know? – Ilse@ 20:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The current article meets the requirements, and I'll note that at DYK. By the way, I think you've written a very interesting article. –  j ak s mata  21:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Although there are still many things to do ofcourse :-) – Ilse@ 21:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Ali Saleem
Thanks for pointing out the deniable factuality [obfuscation of reality :), although it was a misreading of the external resource by me] in the DYK I submitted. I have added another reference and have changed the DYK slightly to be adjusted to more factual certainty. Please check. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 03:51, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't verify the other source due to internet filtering where I'm at right now. Yes, it's frustrating, but there's nothing I can do about it. Someone else will have to check it. Sorry. –  j ak s mata  16:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, anyway. Keep up the good work. Cheers! Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 21:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Coordinates
Saw that you added seperate coordinate variables to some of the temple templates - rather than try to read through the template code to see what impact it has :) I thought I'd just ask what the benefit is - I can see you've already updated the instruction page - thanks! -- Trödel  17:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There were already coordinates on about half of the temple pages, and I wanted to add the rest. The benefit of having the separate parameters is that we can use different display templates depending on the use. On the individual temple pages, the coordinates will appear in the top right, but because of the way it's setup, the coordinates can appear in a list if we're inclined to add the column (I've done that on my big temple grid).


 * Google maps just added a feature to show map markings and popup windows of Wikipedia articles where coordinates are given. I'm hoping that what I've done will put the rest of the temples on the map. –   j ak s mata  18:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That's awesome - I wonder if we can automatically update a google earth map based on info in the different temple templates :) -- Trödel 23:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Shchedryk and Carol of the Bells
The only discussion took place at Talk:Carol of the Bells, and there was no objection. I'd say that there is consensus to merge the articles. —Michael Z. 2008-06-26 18:28 z 
 * There were objections. On that talk page, an IP user user said they "should stay separate." The next (unsigned) comment starts out "I agree." The only signed user (Bandurist) who commented didn't make his position obvious, but to me his comments sound like he thought they should stay separate.
 * If you want to restart the merge discussion, go ahead, but I will object to the merge on the grounds that they are two different songs that share the same tune. –  j ak s mata  19:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking at the talk page history, what I thought was an unsigned comment and the comment from Bandurist are both the same; he must have forgotten to indent the second paragraph. –  j ak s mata  20:16, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Oops, sorry. I assumed the first comment was by the nominator of the merge request, and misread it.  Never mind. —Michael Z. 2008-06-26 20:51 z 

Removing image placeholders
I imagine, like me, you'd like to forget all the ugliness behind the debate on placeholders but I was recently made aware of a bot request to remove all instances of the image placeholders. I have sent this message to inform you of it as well since I recall you as an active participant in the discussion and should be able to shed some light on the wisdom of the bot request. Regards, Double Blue  (Talk) 21:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the news. –  j ak s mata

mathematical jokes
I agree with your evaluation, and deletion, of the recently posted mathematical jokes. However, could you move them to the talk page instead of deleting them (if it is not too incovnenient), so they can more easily be accessed in case of need as examples to illustrate some future principal in the main article? I know they can still be accessed, but it might be useful to group them on the talk page for future use. Tautologist (talk) 21:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't actually "delete" any jokes, I just deleted an inappropriate link to an external website - see WP:EL for guidelines. In my opinion, the site in question was spammy (not much content, lots of adds). Also, it appears to be some sort of wiki-like site, but it does not look like it has many users or history. For these reasons, I don't think that adding the link to the talk page would be a good idea either. (Also, talk pages aren't supposed to be places to keep information unsuitable for articles.) –   j ak s mata  21:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, my lazy error. I didn't know just a link, which i agree is innapropriate for talk (unless it is being discussed i nsome way).  My contrib on computer math jokes is also Wiki-marginal, but I hope it is not deleted as it so elegantly swallows those lengthy monsters. Tautologist (talk) 23:31, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Prop 8 protests
With respect, you must not watch or read the news much. I saw the prop 8 protests covered by CNN twice, and read several articles in the Salt Lake Tribune, including a very lengthy one on the protests in front of the Salt Lake temple. In fact, nearly every major newspaper and television news station has covered them - I would call that substantial. Try going to google news and search for "proposition 8 salt lake temple". The first result is from the Trib - and there are over 2,000 news articles on the topic.

Fact is, some people are calling these protests the Stonewall riots for the new generation of LGTB people. --Descartes1979 (talk) 01:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You're right. I didn't look very thoroughly.  However, It's not that I don't believe the protests happened, I just don't think they were a significant event. I'm sure thousands and thousands of newsworthy events have happened outside the doors of the Salt Lake Temple, but that doesn't mean that they should all be listed in Salt Lake Temple. (I seriously doubt your Stonewall riots assessment will prove to be accurate in the long run.) –   j ak s mata  14:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)