User talk:Jamen Somasu

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Recopa Sudamericana FLC
I think you may have jumped the gun by renominating straight away. When a featured nomination fails, it is useful to contact those who raised issues to ask whether they think the issues have been resolved. Otherwise, there is a risk that the same objections will be raised when it is renominated. Your idea of resolved might be different to that of the reviewer! A good method is to open a peer review, and politely ask those who raised issues to comment there. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Jamen, Oldelpaso is trying to help you. Saying that he "shot [...] down" your nomination is hardly going to help. You were indefinitely blocked and several members of the WP:FOOTBALL community came out to vote in favour of you getting another chance.  Don't blow it.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:24, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Jamen I've opposed it and I'm sorry to see this occur. Sandman888 (talk) 21:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Out of interest, Jamen Somasu, how does your creation of Copa América Champions today fit with your agreement on 26 June to stay away from templates? BencherliteTalk 21:33, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Jamen, quite reasonably imo, probably saw it as staying away of existing templates. I don't know if you can create a sandbox template, but he shd be so allowed. As long as he stays away from linking them on any articles w/o mentors permission. Sandman888 (talk) 21:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No hair, no soup, forget it. Good luck.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, Jamen, thanks for your reply. I don't think you quite understand the breach of guidelines here.  What you've done is put article content in the template namespace. That's a breach of Template namespace, specifically "Templates should not masquerade as article content in the main article namespace; instead, place the text directly into the article."  As for Sandman's reply to my question, it's not been used as a "sandbox" template at all.  Jamen's very first edit after replying to me was to add the template to Copa América, so without his mentor's permission (contrary to Sandman's hope). As for Sandman's suggestion that the limitation on Jamen's activity was only for existing templates, I don't think that Oldelpaso made such a limitation on the limitation in his words "So my first suggestion is to ignore the template namespace for now", did he? BencherliteTalk 22:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, a table like that one isn't something that should be implemented using templates. I've put the table directly in the article without the template, as is also done in similar articles like FIFA World Cup.


 * For what its worth, I would have no problem with Jamen sandboxing. For example, creating an example template at User:Jamen Somasu/Example, and then initiating talk page discussion about whether its inclusion would be appropriate. What I want to avoid is a situation where Jamen makes the same mistakes that got him blocked, that is, getting involved in edit wars on templates. I want him to get into the habit of discussing major changes, preferably before doing them. Oldelpaso (talk) 10:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

South Africa 2010 names
You added names in other languages. Do you have a source supporting that these country-year combinations are used for the 2010 FIFA World Cup in those languages? I couldn't confirm it with Google. I will post more details to Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:58, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:Copa América
What do you intend to do? If you are certain that no-one could reasonably object to your changes, go ahead, but if it is a major change or a potentially contentious one, it would be best to explain your reasoning at Template talk:Copa América. Oldelpaso (talk) 14:40, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Copa Libertadores
I'll be honest with you, that's not unusual in the least. Reviewers choose the articles they want to review, and they can't be forced to review others. A month isn't that long - I've had to wait over two months on occasion for reviews. I'm flattered you think I'm a "main reviewer" - I review only when I nominate an article myself to keep the backlog down. Is this something you've considered doing? Several reviewers will prioritise articles nominated by others who review regularly. A "quid pro quo" system so to speak. If there's less of a backlog, it's also more likely yours will get reviewed quickly. Articles do not need to be GA to be nominated at WP:FAC. It'd probably be a good idea to have your article undergo peer review first however. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 13:27, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it does not need to be GA to become an FA. No-one is in charge of the GAN page. If you wish to nominate your article at FAC, simply remove it from the GAN page yourself and go ahead. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 18:27, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I know the feeling. No problem. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 18:38, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I second above. I hate how a lot of recent reviewers are working from the bottom of the backlog instead of the top. The 5-6 oldest nominations have been the 5-6 oldest for weeks. My last nom actually was reviewed the next day, the reviewer couldn't understand why I was annoyed at that, lol. Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 21:56, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Copa Libertadores
Please review this edit Fasach Nua (talk) 20:24, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

YellowMonkey knows his stuff. Few are as experienced as him when it comes to both writing and reviewing featured sports articles, so it is usually well worth paying attention to his comments.

Useful resources on preparing articles for FAC include: Oldelpaso (talk) 14:25, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This guide to sourcing - the section on "Responding to queries about reliable sources" is particularly pertinent.
 * User:Dweller/Dweller,_on_Featured_Article_Candidates
 * Several of the pieces linked from Featured content dispatch workshop
 * and for a more irreverent outlook, User:Giano/A_fool's_guide_to_writing_a_featured_article
 * My feeble (and incomplete) attempt at making a football-specific guide is at User:Oldelpaso/On Football
 * It would depend on what the video is, and what it is being used as a reference for. There's nothing stopping a video being used as a reference, but it must meet the reliable sources guidelines like any other media.


 * The nomination looks as though it will fail I'm afraid. FAC is very a very demanding place, and it gets more demanding with every month that goes by. At a minimum the article needs a copyedit by a native English speaker (your English is very good, but there are several passages where the phrasing looks out of place, and FAC is very tough on that kind of thing). I'd advise holding off on nominating any more articles for a while, and we'll take a detailed look at what it needs for Copa Libertadores to have a successful nomination next time. I know you were frustrated by the wait for a GA review, but getting good quality feedback takes time, as reviewers are perennially in short supply. Preparation is everything at FAC, particularly when you are trying to get your first successful nomination. Once you have your first successful one under your belt, subsequent ones are much easier, as you have a better idea of what people are looking for. As a rule of thumb, it is only time to nominate when you think you cannot possibly do more to improve the article.


 * I'm short on time today, but either tomorrow or Thursday I'll start to go through the criteria in detail, and what Copa Libertadores will need to do to meet them. Perhaps sourcing would be a good one to start with, given that you were asking about it. Oldelpaso (talk) 14:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, so the featured article criteria look simple enough, but those few lines have all kinds of hidden complexities. I'll get a quick one out of the way first: images.


 * Argentina's short copyright term for photos means you have plenty of suitable free use images in the article. The only non-free image is the logo, and that has a suitable fair use rationale. Only one of the images looks like it requires further investigation, File:Internacional CL-2006.gif. This claims to be a Creative Commons image, but also indicates that it is from the CONMEBOL site. All images on CONMEBOL's site are marked all rights reserved, so it could well have been uploaded with an incorrect license.


 * On to sources (1c, 2c). Following the advice on sourcing in the first of the links I gave above leads me to ask for more information about how the following are reliable:
 * historiayfutbol.obolog.com is a blog. Is the author an established expert in the field, or anything like that?
 * Same for avoidingthedrop.com
 * historiadeboca.com.ar appears to be a fansite. What makes it a reliable source?


 * It isn't compulsory by any means, but putting the books used as references in a bibliography can be useful for readers. See Bert Trautmann for an example.


 * Make sure each of the links in the external links section is suitable per WP:EL. Oldelpaso (talk) 08:49, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've put my next batch of comments on article talk. These aren't about one specific area, just what came to mind as I read through the first couple of sections. Oldelpaso (talk) 14:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

UEFA Champions League
This article is not a featured list, so I don't know why you submitted it to WP:FLRC. Please be more careful in the future. The best place to discuss whether it is a list or an article is the talk page. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:06, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Purge your cache; it will disappear. Also, if an article or list is really featured, there will be a notice on the talk page that says so. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, just an old cached copy of the page. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean; that FLC has been open for 9 days; all FLCs are kept open for at least 10 days, and most are not closed until nearly three weeks have passed. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by "special consideration"? The nominations are independent of each other. Besides, you haven't addressed all of the comments in the current nomination. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Just wait a few days, There is no deadline. Similarly, don't demand at FLRC that lists get demoted RIGHT NOW, that will only antagonise people. The goal of FLRC is improvement, not removal, and the world will not end tomorrow. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:44, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
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RE:PROD
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be merged or deleted. On the contrary, I think there is a decent case for deletion, and if it went to a deletion discussion I would make the case for considering a merge. All I'm saying is that a change so big cannot be done without discussion. If you wish to pursue it, take it to WP:AfD, and explain (as you did in the PROD, to be fair) why you think a merge or deletion would be good for wikipedia. Regards, WFC (talk) 01:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

List of Copa Sudamericana winners nomination
No problemo. Give me some time, I'm quite new to the process (and I'm on summer vacation). Digirami (talk) 03:13, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:2009–10 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season/GA1
Hi, I note that this review is till open after a month. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 00:34, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I also note that did you didn't complete the review, just listed it. That really is not good enough. I shall nominate at WP:GAR

Regarding my recent FLC closure
Hi Jamen. I understand that you are frustrated over my recent archival of Featured list candidates/List of Recopa Sudamericana winners/archive2. I have opened a review of my action at WT:FLC, and would appreciate your input. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 14:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks like the FLC issue has blown over, but I was a bit concerned to see this thread. Do you really think I have a systemic bias? If you believe I do, I really do want to know so that we can work out any misconceptions. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Estudiantes and Boca Juniors Honours
Hi, I just saw your recent edits to the Estudiantes and Boca Juniors Honours sections and I was wondering how is it that some of the tournaments (Intercontinental Cup/ FIFA Club World Cup, Supercopa Masters, Copa de Oro and Interamerican Cup) were placed as Minor competitions, when the only way to qualify to those competitions was to win a Major title, wouldn't that make them Major titles as well? Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 05:46, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi again, sorry I didn't reply earlier, but I been a bit busy. I would like to say that although I see what you mean, but at the same time I would think that neither Boca or Estudiantes would call any of those Cups a Minor Cup, also by your standard only the Copa Libertadores would have any merit to be call Major, all in all this would probably fall under WP:POV, isn't better to called them just what they are International cups or tournaments. By the way I saw that you recently moved the Boca Juniors article to Club Atlético Boca Juniors and I was wondering, shouldn't there be a consensus before that move was made specially since there was a consensus at the talk page of the article? Anyways, My best Regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 18:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, I know that most feature articles don't have a full name, but rather the F.C. at the end of it, ex: Chelsea F.C., Everton F.C., Aston Villa F.C. just to name a few, in Boca's case that wouldn't work since it would be C.A. Boca Juniors, which would make it worse, that's why the consensus that was reach, decided to name it Boca Juniors as per common name, also more than 1,000 articles point to Boca Juniors. As for the 1968 Intercontinental Cup, I don't know much since it happen before my time, sorry. My regards --Bocafan76 (talk) 19:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

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Humberto Tozzi
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Tag
Yes you did with this edit here. 91.106.111.31 (talk) 23:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I know it's been added again. I put it back. 91.106.111.31 (talk) 23:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Intercontinental Cup 1968
Hi Jamen. I really don't want to get into an edit war with you over the citation needed tags on Intercontinental Cup 1968 article. Wikipedia policy (WP:CITE), states: "The policy on sourcing is Wikipedia:Verifiability, which requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged"; which in my opinion includes the information to which I added the tags. I'm going to raise this point on the appropriate discussion page, where we can discuss the issue further. Best, Tom (talk) 01:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Jamen, I look forward to watching the video, would you mind linking me to it when you have uploaded it? Until then, I've posted some more comments to the article discussion page. Thanks, Tom (talk) 02:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

When material is clearly contentious, you need to include explicit attribution in your sourcing. To take a couple of examples from a featured article on a match from the mid-20th Century, take a look at refs 49 and 55 in 1956 FA Cup Final. The first quotes the source directly in the text, the second provides the text from the source in the footnote. Either method would be preferable to the approach you are taking now. Oldelpaso (talk) 03:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Firstly, you agreed to endeavour to maintain 1RR when you were unblocked, but I'm not seeing that here. Secondly, and this point seems to be being ignored, contentious material such as that you are adding needs proper inline citations. The external links section is meant for further reading, and is not meant for use in lieu of inline citations. Oldelpaso (talk) 15:03, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

You really need to read WP:PRIMARY properly. It clearly states that primary sources are not appropriate on their own, especially when secondary sources are available. – PeeJay 09:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Youtube Video
What exactly is the youtube video supposed to be proving? I've watched it, but what information are you using the video to verify? Tom (talk) 11:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Blocked
You spoiled your last chance. Also. Further investigation revealed that you are a soc-puppet of indef-blocked. Rettetast (talk) 12:40, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm not inclined to deal with the unblock request (at least, not in a way that would be favourable to you) but to answer some of your questions, in case you want to amend or expand your existing request:
 * Your IP address is irrelevant for deciding whether to unblock you. Only those with the checkuser right can see whether you're correct or not, and checkuser isn't used to verify claims of innocence.
 * Of course...and Kuru has that capability.


 * You'd be surprised how stupid people using Wikipedia can be, so the fact that your Youtube name is the same as a previously blocked WP user who also had an interest in football does not of itself mean that you couldn't be the same person.
 * Well, I am not that stupid. I can tell you that much. For example, in that Linda Dolloff case any idiot with half a brain could know she didn't try killing her husband. Likewise, I ask for common sense to be used here. Really, it doesn't take much.


 * Why not also try addressing in your unblock request the fact that you were unblocked on a 1RR restriction by which you've spectacularly failed to abide?
 * Because I gave notice to my mentor, before the supposed 1RR (which was really trying to put factual and source information coming from primary sources) might be a problem because a user was trying to censor the information. The matter has been resolved for 2 days minimum.

Regards, BencherliteTalk 14:24, 20 July 2010 (UTC) Jamen Somasu (talk) 14:37, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

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Nomination of Copa América Finals for deletion
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