User talk:James.Portnow

exogenous
Back at the above page you added a "definition" that regards ludology. In it you used the term "MMO" which is incomprehensible to me, can you please add a more accessible term in its place. Also, who says that dollar denominated value of something isn't part of the game? In the case of poker, I can't see how it's not (a bets value in chips would be endogenous in your example, but the cash value of the chips would be exogenous). Similarly, given that people play various games for money, I can't see how the cash value isn't part of the game. Pdbailey 12:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I haven't used the discussion feature much, so if there is another format for this let me know.


 * Anyway...


 * Strictly speaking money is not inherent to the game of poker: though the game itself is terrible if you remove money from it, it remains a game. Poker is often discussed as the counter example without noting this fallacy.


 * (1) I formatted your reply so that it looks like what is typically done, if you don't like it, you can rv that portion of the edit. (2) you should probably sign you edits to this page with three tildes ~.
 * I'm not sure what the last sentence means, but while poker need not have money, it is often played with a focus on money. While the one is a valid form of poker, so is the other--I guess what I'm saying is that this usage of exogenous is so far from the others that this simple point bears pointing out. exogenous usually means outside of the system, when money is in the system, it's endogenous. Pdbailey 01:18, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I would refer you to the biology example, "present in but not originating from" money in poker is the same.
 * James.Portnow


 * Look, if it's part of the jargon, it's part of the jargon. Right or wrong. Pdbailey 21:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Please rephrase, I'm not sure I understand. Again I urge you to look at the example given by the biology section of the exogenous page, it clearly shows that something exogenous can be present in the thing it's exogenous to, but not originating from.  Much like money in poker. --James.Portnow 00:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)