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September 2011
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October 2011
Hello Jamesingle. If you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article ‎Tongue Tied EP by Iwan Rheon, you may have a conflict of interest. In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy, edits where there is a conflict of interest, or where such a conflict might reasonably be inferred, are strongly discouraged. If you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid or exercise great caution when:
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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you. Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 13:05, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Tongue Tied EP by Iwan Rheon


The article Tongue Tied EP by Iwan Rheon has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * No claim of WP:NOTABILITY; artist's page is built around his acting, not singing

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Nat Gertler (talk) 15:15, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Nat - pasted below is a response to help from a Wikipedian having asked for help. I hope this makes sense to you and that you will remove the proposed deletion as a result, but please give me a hand if you feel it inappropriate as I am a first time user:
 * (for brevity I have removed a duplicate of the message to me below. JohnCD (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2011 (UTC))

Jamesingle (talk) 14:55, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Help request
You didn't ask a question, but if it is about the proposed deletion template, the reason for it is that Wikipedia does not expect to have an article for every record that is issued. The test for any article subject is called WP:Notability, for records in particular see WP:NALBUMS. What is needed is references to show significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources - the test is, have people not connected with the artist or the record company thought this EP worth writing about? JohnCD (talk) 16:22, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks John. I am a real first-timer here. I manage Iwan's music career. Yes - I agree that Wikipedia should not have an article on every record released. I asked for help because an editor proposed deletion of the article I made referring to Iwan's first recording on the grounds that his "artist page related to his acting rather than music". We made the decision before this first release not to promote it in any way other than organically - a Facebook page and Myspace was created to simply make his music available to those that wanted it. A year on, we have sold 15,000 downloads via iTunes and have 30,000 fans on facebook, so we added (and edited incorrect information regarding) his music section on his Wikipedia page, and I then added an article about The Tongue Tied EP, as there are now many people asking about his music online. We do feel that we have waited until there is significant interest in his music before doing this. Because we did not service press or radio with this release, there are not many reviews, save for iTunes and Amazon customer reviews. He has done TV and press interviews when asked and available (eg: http://www.buzzmag.co.uk/uncategorized/iwan-rheon-interview/ or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEb8tz5ssRI). Could you help us make the Tongue Tied article acceptable to Wikipedia? I would appreciate any help you can give us. Iwan has recorded his second EP, which will be released on October 10 and we now feel it is only fair that people can find out about his music career when we see between 500 and 2000 Wikipedia page views per day we don't want to let people down. Thanks a mill for your help.
 * Jamesingle (talk) 16:59, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry to be slow to respond. If you read the PROD template on the article, you will see that you are allowed to remove it yourself, and it cannot then be replaced; but that the article may then be nominated under another process, WP:Articles for deletion, which would start a debate lasting normally seven days.


 * You need to understand that Wikipedia is not for advertising or promotion of any kind, and is extremely resistant to being used in that way. As Iwan's manager you have, from our point of view, a WP:Conflict of interest. That means that you should preferably not edit on anything to do with him, but if you do you should obey the code of WP:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest - roughly speaking, declare your interest (as you have), suggest changes rather than make them, and accept what uninvolved users say; they will be very alert to any hint of promotion.


 * The test for an article about a record is basically the same as for any subject: has it been the subject of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. That way, we aren't making judgements about whether something is good, important, useful or whatever; we simply ask, have people unconnected with the subject found it important enough to write significant comment about? That is what the Proposed Deletion means by "notability", and that is the key issue. The independent coverage has to be about the record - the Buzzmag interview doesn't mention it, and Youtube is not considered a reliable source. Has it had any independent reviews?


 * Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your help John. No problem re: delay. I understand and welcome the fact that Wikipedia has to be reliable and relevant in that way. As I said in my last message, we didn't court reviews from press (for our own reasons), but i will see what is available online anyway. I suppose my question is "If a few thousand people discover Iwans music, become a "fan", and as a result post or talk about it, are they not unconnected?"

Thanks Jamesingle (talk) 20:12, 3 October 2011 (UTC)