User talk:Jamesontai/Archive 1

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RE:Florida Institute of Technology/College of Engineering
I still want this to be deleted and there are many reasons for this. First and foremost I see from your user page that you go to the school in question which brings up WP:NPOV and WP:COI. Although I try to assume good faith this is very difficult as it is discourage to greatly edit articles that you have a vested interest in. Now on to the content of the article. I believe that titling of the article is wrong, as I believe that you are not supposed to use sub-pages in the article mainspace (pretty sure, but not 100%). Also the article lacks any notability on why this should be cited in an encyclopedia and the hundreds and hundreds of other colleges that are part of universities are not here. Please see WP:Notability. Also Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information which is all that the listing of staff and the such is. Also the article mainspace is not for developing articles, you should create your own sandbox and make the page there, and when it reaches the article guidelines then create the page, because right now it does not have the merit to stay. Thanks and good luck editing! Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 07:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Copied to your talk page to preserve convo, I will watch your page so just reply here
 * Hey,


 * Thanks for letting me know your thoughts. Yes, I do attend there, but it's not like I'm getting money from them for writing anyways.  (trust me... I wish I did... haha)  I understand the NPOV and COI guidelines and I've been observing them very closely.  If you review the work I've done on the main article on the university, you'll see that I have not put any personal favortism or personal POV on things (in fact I've been the one cleaning up some of the NPOV issues)...


 * The notability issue: it'll be notable probably by the end of the night. I'm working on COE first, if you look at the Florida Institute of Technology article, the Academics section needs major work and I'm trying to deploy the new subarticles one by one.  COE just happens to be the first article of six on academics.  I'll work on the rest on my Sandbox, as I have done for User:Jamesontai/Sandbox01 for Student Organizations.  Regarding the namespace, I didn't know how to label an article as a "sub-article", in fact I don't really know if that's even possible.  I've been researching on different universities' individual college pages like (especially for this case): Gator Engineering.  The rest of the Florida Institute of Technology article I'm trying to model after MIT and Georgia Tech.  I'd appreciate any help in making this work for me.  Thanks again!  Jameson L. Tai 07:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The major issue here is notability, as just the fact that university has a college does not make it notable enough to be in an encyclopedia. I mean could you imagine if we had to put every college from every university in Wikipedia?  One suggestion I can give you is that if you create the article, first make sure it is acurate (of course) but the next most important aspect is adding the notability of the subject if it is not inherent to the reader.  This will keep people (like me lol) from putting it up for deletion right away, which then allows you to play with the article.  Another issue is the listing of departments and staff usually does not have enough merit to be included, as it is just a list of info, which wikipedia is not.  Another big worry of my is that you have no outside sources, all your sources are from the university's own website.  Again, the most pressing issue is notability.  Another thing I want to make clear was that i wasnt accusing you of anything, you just have to be very careful in editing articles that you have a bias for, since I assume you like the school you go to.  Feel free to ask me any questions, I've been around the block a few times so if you have any questions feel free to ask.  If the question doesnt relate to our deletion discussion here, then ask me on my talk page in a new section.  Otherwise you can just reply here for the discussion.  Thanks and good luck editing! Gonzo fan2007  talk ♦ contribs 07:49, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way...
If you want a page deleted that you were the only author, you can tag it with db-author. This will mark it for speedy deletion, under the "Author Request" criteria. You don't have to go through an AFD to get it deleted. (Of course, if you're not the only one to make major edits to the page, it will need to go through AFD.) Kesac 14:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Easy on the Twinkle trigger finger, mate ;)
Hey, about that Rayan Khan article - I was userfying it to the user's page, and was just about to delete it when you dropped that template on my talkpage. I know Twinkle's pretty cool for this sort of automated tagging and warning, but it's probably best to have a quick look in the history before you leave messages. Just a heads-up. Ta, ~ Riana ⁂ 13:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Quick suggestion...
Hi Jamesontai,

I just wanted to drop by and give you a quick tip when dealing with pages like Brittaney Spears, which you just tagged for deletion. I find that, more often than not, a simple redirect to the proper article will do the trick for you. As an added bonus, new users often don't know how to get at and edit these redirect pages, so the chances of them coming back and reverting your changes drop to almost nil.

Anyways, just a thought. Keep up the good work! --jonny-mt(t)(c) 14:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

speedys and notability
1. Speedy A7 for lack of notability is only for articles about people (or clubs or companies or web content) where there is no claim at all to importance or notability, according to WP:CSD. If you think there is insufficient notability, then use WP:PROD or WP:AFD. 2.The article on Dawoud Bey not only asserted notability through his prizes, but shows sufficient sources and awards that it probably is enough to demonstrate actual notability, by the standards of WP:N. 3. elemento Latino asserts important performances. I have no idea if they are enough to show notability, so i changed it to a PROD. If the tag is removed and you are not satisfied, check the Notability standards for musicians, and if warranted send to AFD 4.Zenabrillatol almost certainly should be deleted, but it does not fit any of the categories specified in WP:CSD A7. Another administrator correctly changed it to a PROD. 5.Elisabeth Irwin High School, though a very short article, is an acceptable stub according to WP:STUB. It is, by the way, a very famous school. Yet another administrator quite properly removed the tag. I tagged it as needing expansion. 6. Yet another admin changed the article on Council at Clermont to a redirect to the proper name, Council of Clermont for this famous historical event. It was clearly the intention of the editor to do such a cross-reference, but he apparently did not know how. 7.Topolchane, Sliven Province is a village. All inhabited places, even villages, however small, however inadequate the article, are considered notable in Wikipedia. ADVICE Many of the speedies you have marked are excellent, but you have been going much too fast and too carelessly. DGG (talk) 16:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Blair Maclean speedy delete
Thanks for catching the vandalism article on Blair MacLean, who was a legitimate musician and who will probably get his own article along side MacLean & MacLean. This particular user also vandalized that article and a couple of others, so he has been blocked for 24 hours. If he continues to vandalize I will permaban him. If the Blair MacLean article is recreated, please feel free to notify me. 23skidoo 16:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the Speedy!
Thanks for the speedy delete tag on the page I accidentally created instead of posting on a user's page! I gotta pay more attention... DukeEGR93 17:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:FlTechCOA.gif)
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WikiProject Dogs/Greyhound racing task force
Greyound racing is very popular and has been for hundreds of years they are many articles about it and I am guessing alot of wikipedians will join. Why have you placed a speedy deletion of the page?mattypc 00:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Next time, please give me the link to the article, as I perform new page patrol. I go through more than 100 articles per day and it was almost impossible to search your article out of the "haystack".  Go back to Talk:Editing Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs/Greyhound racing task force and you'll find my responce.  Jameson L. Tai 00:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Underlying hints of sarcasm in the edit summaries are deeply appreciated. Jameson L. Tai 00:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

regarding Soma triathlon
You had marked that article for speedy deletion, citing WP:CSD. In my opinion, that article clearly provided context. The example provided for A1 is "He is a funny man with a red car and makes people laugh". Compare that to. I removed the CSD template. — Ksero 01:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Wowza, Relax
I just created the article about...five seconds ago?...and you've already tagged it for deletion.

It's not spam, mate. It's a large chain that extends along the NC/SC coast. I just noticed it wasn't a page yet and created it -- I haven't even begun to work on it.

I appreciate your hawk-eyes, but seriously, give the system time to work!

Carson 12:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Please use the Wikipedia Sandbox when you are trying to create an article. I routinely perform new page patrols and I nominate articles that are not article-like or have major issues for speedy deletion.  In your case, it is not nominated for speedy deletion, only nominated for regular WP:AfD.  Please continue to work on your article and place   and   so that an admin doesn't delete your article while you're still editing.  At the time I nominated your article seemed nothing more than a "yellow pages" listing.  If you want to see that article survive, please expand the article and provide sources to justify why it is a notable article.  Good luck and happy editing!  :-)  Have a great day.  Jameson L. Tai 12:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Just because I have a different method of starting an article doesn't make it wrong. I understand that the first edit was a tad lacking, but wouldn't it have made more sense to actually try and verify the shop as opposed to just assuming it lacks notability and marking it? I'm sorry, I just disagree with your methods -- I feel new articles should be allowed to flesh out before being nominated for deletion.
 * I know you're just trying to help, but stuff like this really puts people off. Ease off a bit, not everyone is out to spam Wikipedia with useless articles. Check the user. Check the article. Dig in and at least Google the name before assuming the worse. Carson 12:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Some helpful tips
Hey Jameson, I have been watching your edits for a little bit and I have noticed you have run into some snags here and there, so I hoped that I could give you a few pointers so your editing experience can go a little smoother. First I want to say that you seem like a very dedicated editor, which is awesome, because we dont have a lot of those here. But there are some things that I think if you knew it would make things go a lot easier. So here a re some things that I have noticed: Thats all I can think about for now. I want you to know that I think you are a great contributor and that you are doing awesome so far, I just want to help you become even more Wiki-proficient. I think the most important thing to do, if you are truly serious about Wikipedia, is to get involved in discussions in many different areas of Wikipedia, all while doing basic edits and cleaning-up. Also remember that you can always ask me any questions or you can ask pretty much anyone that has experience here, especially any admins. Hope you keep up the great work and feel free to ask any questions! Gonzo fan2007 talk ♦ contribs 04:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Use the preview button when editing instead of editing the page multiple times. One thing I have noticed (especially on Florida Institute of Technology) is that you have made a lot of small edits.  What this does is clogs up the History page so its hard to go back and look at past versions.  In the future try and make a lot of changes in one single edit.  You can do this by just clicking the Preview button which will show you your changes, then you can keep on making changes, and when you are finished then you can click the Save Page button and it will only be one edit.
 * Always use the edit summary box, you can enable a prompt whenever you leave the box empty by going to "My Preferences" and click on the "Editing" tab and clicking the last box.
 * When writing articles, remember something that is notable to you, may not be notable to anyone else. Also remember that this is an encyclopedia, and just because there is information doesn't mean it should be here.  Try to remember that sometimes a short yet concise article on a subject is better than listing every little piece of information on a subject.  You have to remember that we are making this encyclopedia for the readers, so readability is very important.  No one wants to sit and read an article that just rambles on and on with lists of info.
 * When tagging articles for speedy delete or AfD'ing them, alway check your sources if the articles seems like it could be notable. Bad formatting or poorly written articles are not criteria for deletion.  Instead you should try to improve the article or tagging it with the appropriate formatting tags.  (You may be interested in WP:FRIENDLY)  Try to not be a hardcore deletionist.  Remember that someone will delete these pages, but very few people try to improve them.  An example of this would be Soma triathlon where you requested speedy deletion, whereas I easily just Wikified the article, tagged it with  and it is a viable stub.  Some people come on Wikipedia and notice an article is missing and they really want to be that person to create the article, but they may not know how or care about formatting the article properly.  If you tag their article for speedy deletion right away, it will turn off what could be a good editor from editing.
 * Try not to comment a lot on AfD's. If you are the nominator, then state your points and then let the community decide.  If someone asks a question or brings up a new idea, then you can reply, but those pages are not for discussion so much as they are for the consensus process.  There are times where there needs to be discussion, but try not write a lot, as it makes it hard for the deciding admin to go through all the comments to make a decision.
 * You do not need to copy and paste info all around Wikipedia. Just add a link if you need editors to reference comments.  You can even link directly to the section by typing this Article Name .  If you copy and paste comments from your talk page to AfD's and the talk page of articles, all you are doing is clogging up pages with words.
 * Of course try to read the policies thoroughly before doing things. Whenever you do something, make sure you know the consequences behind doing it.  Remember that there are millions of other editors, if you aren't sure about something, just move on or let someone who is more experienced deal with it.  You don't have be Superman and do everything.
 * I see that you are now using WP:TWINKLE which is good, but try and diversify your contributions with contributions other than tagging for deletion. Contributing to articles you are experienced with is of course the easiest and simplest way of editing, but your contributions will be more appreciated if you are contributing to many different types of articles.  A fun thing to do is just hit the random article button and try and make maybe once or twice a week a random article better by wikifying it, adding info, or adding sources, etc.
 * I see that you someday want to become an administrator, if so then make sure you know and understand the policies listed at Administrators' reading list along with the basic policies. Make sure that you don't rush into that and make sure that you feel confident that you can do well with the tools.    Most agree that 3000 edits and 3-6 months on Wikipedia is sufficient, but that is not always the case.  The more experience you have and the more positive interaction you have with other users will make you more and more trustworthy to the community.
 * This is just a suggestion, but you may want to change your signature so that someone can easily get to your talk page and contributions. If you need any help on formatting your signature, just ask.