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 * Hi Jamie, and welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that you've added external links to a slew of Marvel Comics articles.  I checked the links and none of them contain any information at all.  As well, the website, marveldatabase.com, seems to be controlled by youself.  As it stands, your additions are little more than link spam and will probably be removed shortly.  While I admire your moxy in wanting to create a Marvel database, perhaps you should wait until you have some content before adding links to Wikipedia's comic articles.   --NormanEinstein 03:57, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Marvel Database Project
I found this article marked for speedy delete, but thought it was worthy of moving to Votes for deletion. Please go to to Votes for deletion/Marvel Database Project if you want to defend it.-gadfium 06:19, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Just remarked this for speedy delete, it is empty, put a talk page notice that if expanded by creator before deletion then ok to kill my speedy delete tag Xaosflux 01:40, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Linkspamming
Stop linkspamming. If you continue to do so, you will be banned. &mdash;Lowellian (talk) 08:57, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

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DC Database link at Batman
Please note I have removed the DC Database link at Batman you placed. It doesn't meet WP:EL requirements, and also as you are involved in the enterprise it doesn't meet Spam. I note a warning from Lowellian above regarding link spamming; I shall contact him and discuss his reason for issuing the warning. At the moment please refrain from placing links to your projects on Wikipedia. A better place for them is DMOZ, an open source directory. Steve block talk 10:55, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey folks, in case you look here first...
 * I have replied at Steve block's talkpage... Cheers,
 * --JamieHari 16:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your considered response. Sadly I have to disagree.
 * Per WP:SPAM:
 * Wikipedia is not a space for the promotion of Web sites
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a link farm
 * The References section is for references...
 * Per WP:EL:
 * What should not be linked to:
 * Links that are added to promote a site, by the site operator or its affiliates
 * A website that you own or maintain (unless it is the official site of the subject of the article). If it is relevant and informative, mention it as a possible link on the talk page and wait for someone else to include it, or include the information directly in the article
 * Pages that contain a substantial fraction of factually inaccurate material or which contain unverified original research
 * In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of brilliant prose
 * Per WP:RS
 * Evaluate the reliability of online sources just as you would print or other more traditional sources. Neither online nor print sources deserve an automatic assumption of reliability by virtue of the medium they are printed in. All reports must be evaluated according to the processes and people that created them.
 * As you have to accept, given you are editor in chief, founder and possibly host of the site in question you are not best qualified to make the distinctions regarding your site. Your addition of links contravenes directions listed above, your site can't be considered a reliable source given the lack of sourcing, for example Air-Walker (Automaton), and your addition of links is clearly in breach of WP:SPAM given you state on my talk page you are linking to your benefit. Based upon the guidelines above, myself and a fellow administrator, Lowellian, have both agreed that your addition of such links is spamming and that if you consider to do so you will be blocked. Steve block  talk 16:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Steve,
 * I will totally agree that being the admin at the MDP/DCDP I may be biased to a degree. I however also want you to take my position into account: The point of having interwiki linking such as linking between Wikipedia and Wikiquotes or Wiktionary is that various references can be tied together to make a more complete 'big picture'. Let's be honest, Wikipedia is large with hundreds of thousands of users and articles. They simply don't have the ability to fine-tune the site to the specific needs of one topic. That is why the MediaWiki software is open-source... so others can help work together. I worked very hard to get our project added as inter-wiki 'sister-sites' to Wikipedia. Now that I am trying to interlace our project with Wikipedia with reciprocal links, we are being shunned. I appreciate that our site is still relatively new and isn't to the refined quality of Wikipedia, but we are getting there. We do, however, have several features and lots of information Wikipedia does not.


 * If this were a fansite or if in any way I profited financially, I would completely agree. The thing I don't get is how another Wikipedia 'sister-site' using the same MediaWiki software isn't able to share what we have with Wikipedia. I hesitate to say, I think of our site as an extension of the Wikipedia project, where we are able to accomplish things differently becuase of our focused nature. Do you not see value in our site? If the comics portal was sufficient to meet the needs of the comic community, there wouldn't be so many new sites popping up. Even Wikicities (A Wikimedia hosted project) has a new Marvel wiki!


 * My contention is that there should be some additional leeway be given to other reference sites, which are of good repute and good intent (especially wiki). I can also see how linking to sites with inaccurate information or malicious intent would be more detrimental to Wikipedia's goals... I can assure you our project strives to achieve the same level of accuracy as Wikipedia. Our ideals are very much in line with yours: To provide accurate information, without charge, to the world via the Internet. Our project has received GREAT recognition from IGN, Ain't It Cool News and Marvel themselves! Our Marvel site is being monitored by folks at Marvel. I personally have been in touch with several of their representatives over the course of the last year to ensure we are not stepping on any toes...


 * Please reconsider our case on an individual basis, as exception to the 'letter of the law', rather by the 'spirit of the law'. Please play the devil's advocate and see how our reciprocal interwiki links are of benefit to both projects and ultimately to the readers...


 * Thank you,


 * --JamieHari 18:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Your site should be treated like any other, and promotion of it across many articles is inappropriate. It doesn't matter if it is a non commercial site. As has been held in similar cases, please don't add links to any articles to your site. The spirit of the law is that Wikipedia is not to be used for promotional purposes. If your site is valuable enough it will be added to articles by other editors. But if that happens by one user or a bunch of anonymous editors it will obviously be a promotional effort. Please don't abuse Wikipedia in that way. If need be your site can be added to the spam filter so that no links may go to it. If your site really is non commercial, then it shouldn't need to be promoted in such a disruptive way, so please desist from promoting it in a manner that so many people have asked you to stop. - Taxman Talk 20:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you Taxman, but again such a spam-filter will not be necessary. I think I have been more than reasonable about your requests and will honour your wishes as requested. In the past, I have also tried to follow the appropriate steps, first having our project added as a sister-site, then only adding links where our site has some additional benefit to offer. By contrast, I think MANY other link-spammers have been far worse... It is unfortunate for me that you are unfaltering in your support of project policies and are unwilling or unable to see from any other point of view. I thank you for the chance to explain myself. Regards,
 * --JamieHari 22:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I think you'll find I'm unfailing in support of all of the project's policies, and I think that's a good thing. If you keep building your site who knows, it may be considered the premier source for its topic someday and then you won't have to promote it, everyone will agree links to it are warranted. Until then, thanks for being reasonable. Your site can carry a lot of material we don't want on Wikipedia and that's a good thing, maybe we can encourage people to send material that would be considered fancruft here to your site instead. As a side note, what is this "sister-site" thing you refer to? - Taxman Talk 22:54, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks Taxman. :)
 * I use the term 'sister-site' very loosely, tongue-in-cheek actually. Basically, you know how Wikipedia can inter-wiki link? ( Marvel Database Project ) It is when Wikipedia actually reserves a special 'namespace' shortcut to your project. To link to Wikipedia, you use [[Wikipedia:, ours is [[MarvelDatabase: and or [[DCDatabase: . Becauase I admin / host our project sites and they are relatively high-traffic, I deal frequently with Brion Vibber (MediaWiki software developer) to crush various bugs and make new software enhancements. A few of the new features coming to Wikipedia are partly my doing. I like to think the REAL contributions I make are not in the articles, but in the software itself. (I am a software dev myself, but am unfortunately too busy to contribute in any serious way) Anyways, that is what I mean by sister-site... A fellow wiki where many many links exists back and forth.  Cheers,
 * --JamieHari 23:35, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Marvel Database Project
I commented at the AFD, and on the talk page, also restored old histories for the purpose of the debate. In it's current form I don't really have a delete/keep opinion, but do think it shouldn't be speedily deleted. xaosflux Talk  / CVU  01:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you very kindly! --JamieHari 05:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed your reformatting of the Death (Marvel Comics) link to the Marvel Database Project wiki. I recently added a bunch of links to that site, but they were reverted back off as spam. I'm not asking you to put them back on for me, but maybe if you did a few I wouldn't seem like a lone nut... :) 24.136.11.242 07:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Please stop
As others have noted on this page, Wikipedia disallows links to other wikis, such as the Marvel Database Project. Please see the guidelines at Reliable sources/Examples, which state, among things, "Wikis, including Wikipedia and other wikis sponsored by the Wikimedia Foundation are not regarded as reliable sources." --Tenebrae 21:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems as if it's been discussed quite a bit above.
 * Please understand: You are doing something that's self-promotional in order to drive traffic to your site. No one else is adding these links. Only you.
 * No one can use Wikipedia as a vehicle for their self-promotion. And that's a whole other issue from the inappropriateness of linking to an outside wiki, let alone your own. --Tenebrae 00:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, I am NOT the only person adding links.
 * These links are not for any personal gain, they are for the purpose of allowing the user to read more information that is not available in the body of the Wikipedia article.
 * The Marvel Database links back to Wikipedia because it sometimes contains information not at the MDP, too.
 * Wikipedia will not add 100% of all comics, nor will they include all characters. The Marvel Database Project will, allowing for a more detailed reference.
 * These links are NO different than linking to Marvel.com.
 * I don't know if you have visited the MDP yet or not, but if you take a moment I hope you will find that the project very much strives to be a Wikipedia Jr. for Marvel Comics.
 * Will you please review the project and consider its merits, not just looking at the links?
 * --JamieHari 04:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I found someone else adding links using this template.
 * This person seems to be from Illinois(?). (I did an nslookup, but I can't tell for certain)
 * This was just one person, which took me a few seconds to find.
 * I'd think I can find more, if I were pressed to do so.
 * --JamieHari 05:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Nifty!
 * Wikipedia has a template that gives links for IP lookups... :)
 * It says the user is from Chicago. (I live in Canada)
 * Undoubtedly, this person also visits the MDP.
 * --JamieHari 05:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I am such a dunce. The person who is using the template even left me a message above!
 * --JamieHari 05:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Just dropping by to know if the Marvel Database Project is just a mirror site of all the marvel-related articles here in wikipedia. Meaning, just having the same content as here in wikipedia. Thanks! †B lo o d p ac k† 04:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Not at all!
 * It contains original research directly taken from 'original sources' (The comics themselves).
 * The project seeks to document it in the same fashion as Wikipedia, BUT Wikipedia won't have articles for EVERY comic ever printed, or those 'one appearance' characters, like "Joe" or "Sam"...
 * The Marvel Database Project DOES!
 * We have EXTENDED the research of Wikipedia.
 * We have experts who are veterans of the comic field and focus all their energy on the subject.
 * We have adapted the site more closely to suit the comic book subject matter as we don't have to generalize ourselves to fit ALL subject matters.
 * Please let me know if you have any other questions. :)
 * --JamieHari 05:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Your blatantly self-promotional sales pitch above is not what Wikipedia is about. You are being intellectually dishonest.
 * Anyone can post to your wiki. It is not an edited and vetted source.
 * Anyone can claim to have "experts." Anyone can claim to be an "expert." Please don't make a claim like that without providing documentation.
 * Your contributors are perfectly free to edit on Wikipedia, where WikiProject Comics has a vigorous peer review.
 * And pointing out one or two other people who link to your site does indicate any mass consensus. It also does not make your own adding dozens of links to your site any less self-serving. Please see Wikipedia: Conflict of Interest. --Tenebrae 02:55, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I am sorry you feel that way.
 * I assure the community is full of very knowledgeable people, who work very hard.
 * I am sure the same is true of the WikiProject Comics, but it certainly will never be able to go into the great detail because of Wikipedia's limiting restrictions on the notability of articles.
 * The Internet is a big place and certainly enough room for both. I hope the combination of all resources will eventually lead to the sum of all knowledge being made available for everyone to enjoy.
 * I will not add any more 'external links' to the MDP, as per WP:COI.
 * Regards,
 * --JamieHari 04:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)