User talk:Janbur/Archive 1

A tag has been placed on Flowtracer, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add  on the top of the article and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. CobaltBlueTony 15:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC) Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the article. Thank you. - CobaltBlueTony
 * Please do not remove speedy deletion tags from articles. If you do not believe the article deserves to be deleted, then please do the following:
 * 1) Place   on the page. Please do not remove any existing speedy deletion tag(s).
 * 2) Make your case on the article's .

A tag has been placed on Runtime Design Automation requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding  to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. shoy 15:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Your request for help

 * All your pages were deleted by an administrator, called Number 57. You should ask him on his talkpage. I am sure, he will tell you why he made it and perhaps you can convince him to undo his deletion.--Thw1309 14:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * A user called User:Hersfold tried to move your request for help to this page. Your userpage, where you posted the helpme template, is there, only to discribe you. If you want to communicate with other users, please do so here (User talk:Janbur)or on the other editor's user talk, as I do now with you. What Hersfold made, was an impolite act, because we usually do not edit on each other's userpage. He should have only told you.--Thw1309 14:12, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it's generally standard to move discussions to the talk page so that the user is immediately notified of a response. As you can see, the response is below, it just took some time to type. I had no intention of being impolite and was only trying to offer help. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 14:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Naturally, Hersfold is right. He "was" helping and what he made, was one of the few exceptions of the general rule, not to edit someone else's userpage. Sometimes I should watch my mouth. But please remember only to communicate on talkpages.--Thw1309 14:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the confusion, Janbur. I hope the comments below help things out a bit. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 14:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Helpme
helpme

I have no clue if I'm doing this right. This Wiki stuff is very complicated. I have 3 pages that I have created that have been deleted:


 * Runtime Design Automation
 * Flowtracer
 * RTDA Network Computer

The first is a company that produces software that my company uses. The second is a piece of software that they produce that we use. I looked at one of their competitor's pages for an example so they would not come off as SPAM:


 * Platform Computing
 * Load Sharing Facility

The first is the company. The second is one of their products. Why can these pages be on there but the ones that I am trying to create are deleted?

Janbur


 * Hello, Janbur. According to the deletion logs, Runtime Design Automation was deleted not because it was seen as advertising, but because the company the article was about didn't seem to be notable. Criteria for Speedy Deletion A7 states that articles may be deleted without discussion if there is no assertion of importance or significance. In the case of Flowtracer, it was deleted under CSD G11, which is for blatant advertising. In both cases, you can generally fix the problem by providing adequate reliable sources. One criteria for notability is coverage in multiple independent non-trivial sources - if you can find some news articles where this company has been mentioned, you may be able to justify its notability. The other concern is that of neutrality. It's very easy to write something from a biased point of view, even when you're trying not to. You might want to check our pages on formatting and what Wikipedia is not for some more ideas on how to better write Flowtracer.
 * Unfortunately, I can't provide more specific comments, as I can't see what you wrote (I'm not an administrator). You might be able to talk to an admin on this page and ask them to restore a version of the articles to your user subpages, so you can work on them without fear of deletion. Reviewing some of the policies I've linked for you should help as well. If you need more help, feel free to put up another helpme template on your talk page (not your user page!), drop by my talk page, or stop by the Help desk or New Contributor's Help Page. Good luck with your articles, and happy editing as always! Hers fold  (t/a/c) 14:14, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Janbur. The first and third articles was deleted because they did not assert the notability of the subject, i.e. there were no independent third party references to prove that it is encyclopedia-worthy. If you can find other articles like this on Wikipedia, I suggest you tag them for deletion or as unreferenced as well. The other article read like an advertisement ("For more information, see RTDA's website"), failing WP:ADVERT, and also did not have any references. I'm sorry that you are finding Wikipedia frustrating, but there are rules on content. If you can find some unrelated sources for references on the subjects (such as a national newspaper or notable trade journal), then the articles can be rewritten. If you like, I can restore the two that were deleted for lack of notability to your userspace for you to work on, but there is little point resurrecting the one that was done for advertising - that one needs starting from scratch. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  20:39, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello. I'm glad there are rules, I'm just having a hard time learning this thing. Even the syntax is difficult (ticks, colons, square brackets, etc.). If you look at the Load Sharing Facility link above, it is almost identical to what I wrote for RTDA Network Computer. Why is it that this page can exist here with only a link to its own vendor page and my page was removed? Oh, and I guess I have no clue what "userspace" is, more Wiki stuff to learn I guess. Sigh...


 * I guess no-one noticed the Load Sharing Facility article when it was uploaded - most of the stuff which is tagged for speedy deletion is quite new. Feel free to tag it yourself if you agree it is non-notable.


 * Don't worry about not knowing you way around - we were all newbies once. Your "userspace" is stuff at User:Janbur and subpages. For example, you can create User:Janbur/Runtime Design Automation as a temporary article to work on and bring up to standard, and it won't get deleted as it is not in the "mainspace".  пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  21:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, and don't forget to sign your comments by typing four tildes (~) at the end. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  21:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I've searched everywhere, even Google, and can't figure out how to tag a page. Can you show me how? And silly me for not using the intuitive signature mechanism... :^P Janbur 13:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

or DON'T reply to me...
Did you even see this? Am I wasting my time trying to help? - CobaltBlueTony 19:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I did reply....
But I have no clue what I'm doing here. Did you see my reply? I took it that I did a bad thing by blanking the page and restored the contents from the history so it would no longer be an issue. All of this is overwhelming - not what I expected from a user-friendliness standpoint. It's like everything I do is being scrutinized the moment I do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Janbur (talk • contribs) 15:03, October 5, 2007


 * A reply would be what you just did above here. The courtesy of a reply is appreciated.  Unfortunately, you will find your work aggressively edited, altered, or deleted, because this is not a self-publishing site, but a community resource of knowledge.  Notability is paramount here, as not every little thing can or needs to be documented.  Any subject here has to have contributed to its related field of study/interest in some significant or unique way.


 * How many programs are there out there like the ones you are attempting to document here? What are their respective market shares?  What is the financial impact of the company?  Things like this tend to dictate how important a software package is.  There are tons and tons of programs and software manufacturers out there: a comparatively minute amount of them have done anything significant enough to merit mention.  The same logic applies to the principle that not every person who is alive or who has lived deserves an article here.  Also, I address the nature of your contributions below. - CobaltBlueTony 20:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Conflict of interest
According to Wikipedia's guidlines regarding conflict-of-interest, it may be inadvisable for you to edit articles about your employer, or your employer's competition. Additionally, I am struggling to understand the notability of any of your articles. If you could provide reliable third-party sources which clarify the importance/significance of these articles, I'm sure you'd find alot less challenges along the way. - CobaltBlueTony 20:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. On many keyboards, the tilde is entered by holding the Shift key, and pressing the key with the tilde pictured. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! - CobaltBlueTony 20:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, now that I know you can see my replies...
As for the pages that I'm trying to get published, I work for a company that uses these products. It was hard to find that they exist and we were struggling to get our jobs done until we discovered them. I was hoping to put these articles on Wikipedia so that other companies could learn that there is something out there that addresses these needs. There is nothing out there that is like Flowtracer that I'm aware of. There are some competing products out in the market for Network Computer, which is why I linked to that article from the Job scheduler category. As for market share and stuff, I have no clue because I'm a user, not the vendor nor a market analyst.

For your conflict of interest comment, again, I work for an aerospace company, not the vendor. Also, I tried to find good 3rd-party references (and I did) to put on the articles. EETimes alone is highly respected in the engineering community, so I figured that would be a good one. There was also a presentation from Berkeley, and some other online journals.

Finally, yes, I know about the signature thing. I'm trying to learn this thing and it's not easy to remember to do that at this point. I don't know why it's not just the default behavior to have everything signed if it's so important.

Crap, I had to edit this and go in and add the signature because I forgot... again... Janbur 20:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)