User talk:Jane023/Archive 1

Let me add my welcome
Noticed your creation of Category:Pilgrim route. I think this is not one i'd have thought of, but is really an excellent category. It represents a different way to look at the topic and challenges one to find more pilgrims routes to add to the list. Well done. Hope to see more of your work - Williamborg 23:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Use of English
Hi Jane023. I noticed your emphasis on Dutch (esp. North Holland) topics. Because I also frequently contribute to the same topics, I really value your additions. Just a word of caution: I noticed that you frequently use Dutch terms that are not translated or explained, for example "geniedijk" and "rijksmonument". These are used as terms, not as names, and should therefore be translated as per WP:UE and to maintain a global perspective for WP (e.g. "engineering dike" and "national monument"). Contact me if you need some translation advice. -- P199 16:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Codex Calixtinus
Hi there! Just a friendly pointer about linking in articles: Per the manual of style, it is normal to link only the first occurrence of a term in an article, and not to link subsequent uses. Also, it is usual only to link terms which are relevant to the subject under discussion. These two style guidelines are to avoid 'overlinking' in articles, which can make them harder to read. Respectfully, &mdash; BillC talk 00:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

New Hampshire articles
Hello! I am enjoying the large amount of new information you've been adding to articles about places in the Conway, New Hampshire area, including your recent additions to Redstone, New Hampshire. It's great to see the wealth of interesting detail you've been finding. Thank you for your contributions! --Ken Gallager (talk) 14:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Coymans
Hello Jane, may me you like to add some of the information on Balthasar Coymans to Frans Hals. Please look here:, and here. I got a written permission to upload a small size Theodora Derksen, but for some reason, I haven't done it.

I'm interested what you have gathered about the Coymans family. I went to the Kennemer Archives a few months ago, but in my point of view I have not succeeded to make a good story out of it. It is not a biography, just information. Regards Taksen (talk) 21:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Taksen - I'll see what I can do - it's a nice article, and I just love that pair of portraits! Especially the way he only painted HALF of the rose. The last time I was working on the Frans Hals article I kept thinking that there isn't even one pair of marriage portraits on that page. I could also use the material for the Haarlem hofjes. I took a picture of the old Coymans regentenkamer not too long ago. This work on the Coymans family will come in handy for that too.Jane (talk) 18:56, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * According to: Rudi Ekkart and Quentin Buvelot (eds), Dutch Portraits, The Age of Rembrandt and Frans Hals, p. 130, Mauritshuis/National Gallery/Waanders Publishers, Zwolle, 2007,ISBN 9781857093629 (there is a Dutch edition too) the Washington Hals is of Willem Coymans, from a different branch of the family. Johnbod (talk) 00:23, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Flower painters
I've re-edited these a bit, as Merian was German & never lived in the Netherlands until she was 43, and did not paint in oils (notably anyway), which is what is normally meant by Dutch Golden Age painting. I think only one still life in oil & two flower watercolours are known from Leyster,(Slive, 129) who cannot properly be summarized as a flower painter. By the way, thanks for all the work you are doing creating redirects & so on for Netherlandish painters! It's a drag the way so many have been set up using the very full name - under WP:COMMON the ones you are setting up should be the article title in many or most cases. If you want to just WP:MOVE them, which will automatically create a redirect from the old name, I think this would be appropriate. Johnbod (talk) 00:18, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi John, thanks for your note. I did think about moving some of the names, but the problem is that if Wikipedia ever grows to the point of the Dutch wiki, then it will be handy to have those "Gerritsz" or "Simonsdr" middlenames with which you can discriminate from modern names. It's been quite difficult separating the old painters from the modern hockey, football, and TV celebrities. I expect that the redirects will all have to be moved to disambiguation pages eventually.

Actually, Judith Leyster is best known in Haarlem for her flower book, in the possession of the Frans Hals museum and the Teylers. She even painted some of those "bouquets in oils" that the other women are known for. I think women were all expected to be flower painters, which makes both Merian and Leyster special, because both of them branched out (Merian into insects and Leyster into genre works) into male fields. Though Merian was born and raised in Germany, her stepfather Jacob Marrel worked on the same sort of tulip books as Leyster. Merian visited Ruysch in Amsterdam and was an influence on Rachel. All of those artists were in close contact with each other, and I can imagine that the women were particularly interested in each other's work. In Houbraken's book there are still two other women mentioned who I haven't even gotten to yet, so the number may still grow!! Jane (talk) 07:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Stubs on them would be welcome! I can't find any mention of further named women in Slive - I've been expanding Dutch Golden Age painting (which I wish more of these bios linked to) & am going to do a section on women pointers, though the 3 are in there already. Slive says (p. 130) Houbraken has biographies of "about [!] a dozen women artists and mentions around the same number". It's Leyster's genre paintings that have made her wider reputation, plus the self-portrait in Washington.  Johnbod (talk) 11:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, I am trying to make stubs for ALL of the Houbraken entries, but I am sort attacking it first by checking what is out there on all other wikis first. I am pretty sure that his spelling is only accurate for painters from the "Randstad" - the triangle Dordrecht-Alkmaar-Utrecht. Anywhere outside that and I start to really question his authority. As I go I realize I am learning alot about the way the big paintings were constructed. Go ahead and start working on the women if you want - I put the links to the Houbraken entries on the page --Arnold Houbraken. Jane (talk) 19:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Adriaen Coorte
Cool! Adriaen Coorte made the real news here when a modern-day discovery of two of his paintings showed up in a taxation last month.Jane (talk) 07:12, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination
I nominated your article Willem Thibaut for DYK. Joe Chill (talk) 18:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I really like the article. Joe Chill (talk) 19:02, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Good news. Your article was approved. Joe Chill (talk) 00:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow! I like the ALT hook too. Certainly Haarlem doesn't do much to advertise that fact. When you go through that church in Gouda and see those windows, it really is a pretty awesome experience.

DYK for Willem Thibaut
Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I feel so proud! Thanks, I'll tell my mom. Jane (talk) 08:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

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Art history
Hello, I've noticed that you've made some changes to the pages on Cornelis de Bie and Arnold Houbraken and others. You are most welcome and I would like to thank you. I'm a researcher working on the oeuvre of Cornelis de Bie and have written a thesis on his Gulden Cabinet. I am also very interested in Houbraken. If by any means, we could work together to make these and related articles even better, that would be great. You should, however, be careful, because a lot of what Houbraken tells, comes in fact from De Bie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blakewiki (talk • contribs) 13:42, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Alexander Colyn
An edit you made to the page added a reference tag that is causing an error. Could you go back and fix it? Thanks. 24.34.148.49 (talk) 23:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Haarlem Museums
Hello Jane,

Sorry I didn't write back to you earlier - I didn't see your message until just now. I can certainly help answer your questions and see what kind of relationship could be brokered between your museum and Wikipedia but I think it would be easier if you spoke with someone nearby. I was at Den Haag with Europeana but am now in America. I can put you in touch with Wikimedia NL, several of whom live in Haarlem, and they will be better placed to help. Maarten Brinkerink is the person to ask. I can't find his wikipedia account at the moment but here is his twitter account: https://twitter.com/mbrinkerink


 * Thanks for the tip! I will contact Maarten. Jane (talk) 18:59, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Concert in the Egg
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Handel's collection of paintings
Dear Jane023, I need some support. I made a list this morning of painters under George Frideric Handel. Handel owned quit a few paintings which were sold in 1760 after his death. I was very surprised to see so many names I had never heard of. It does not list his collection of paintings, because that would be impossible to finish. Now there is someone from Sidney who likes Handel but obviously he is not interested in paintings and reverted it. Can you give your opinion? Taksen (talk) 13:16, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Taksen, I see what is going on. I agree with you that it is a fascinating list, and I think it does, in fact, add to the general body of knowledge on Handel - I had no idea he was an art collector, and if he had a Rembrandt and a Titian, not to mention the rest of the list, then the collection deserves a page of its own. On the other hand, as you have typed it in now, the reader has no idea what kind of stuff he was collecting, whereas some of these paintings and/or prints are probably out there on Commons today. My advice would be to do one of two things; 1) Create a page entitled List of artworks owned by George Frideric Handel (see an example at Abraham Blooteling), strip the current list of names down to the top three or four, and put a dablink on top or 2) Create the list in the form you found it on Wikisource under the English "Handel as author" page (or archive source or whoever made the list) and link to it from there. Hope it helps! Jane (talk) 13:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply. I appreciate your advise and moved your answer to the Handel talkpage. I am glad you liked the list too. It will be difficult to add more than names, as the information is very scarce.Taksen (talk) 16:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

T:TDYK
When you write articles that are beyond WP:STUB, like Gillis Schagen, please consider nominating your work at T:TDYK for a front-page exposure. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 2:20 pm, Today (UTC−5)
 * Thanks for the tip! I would do that except I can never think of a good hook! In this particular case I wouldn't nominate it because there is no picture - I would first feel obligated to go get one, etc. I'll keep it in mind though, because I have a bunch of painters to do that are already out there on commons. Unfortuately I can't find the sourced data to fill them in beyond stub class (like Bartholomäus Strobel, who I did more or less at the same time). Jane (talk) 19:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Pictures are not necessary for DYKs. Feel free to ask me for any DYK details; and in cases of Polish painters, ask on WT:POLAND - maybe we can dig up some Polish-language sources to help you out! (You may ask on other Wikiprojects/noticeboards for artists from other countries, too) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 02:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Observationes Medicae (Tulp)
Hi Jane,

I'm in the midst of doing some scholarly work that very peripherally touches on Nicolaes Tulp, and came across this page (which is fantastic- thanks for doing it). The story of Jan de Doot, whether or not it actually happened, is certainly in the original Latin of Observationes Medicae. In the digitized version at Google Books, it's on page 367 of 441 of the PDF. Didn't want to edit part of your original contribution but thought you might want to check it out.
 * OK, BigDukeSix, thanks for that tip! I am glad to hear someone is looking into those books, because they are truly fascinating. I still have my photos comparing the copies of the table of contents from both books (I started to make a similar list of English translations for the Latin and Dutch, but gave up after transcribing the Latin because it is such a large project). If you want, I can just go ahead and upload all of the pictures I took of both books (as I recall, I took pictures of all engravings and the table of contents of both books - the 1651 latin and the 1740 Dutch copies). Jane (talk) 09:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

I think pix of the Latin original would be a tremendous addition (I'm jealous you got to see one in person! And take pictures!). We should also edit out the factual inaccuracies... since the case is clearly in the original it cannot be "one of the newly added cases" in the Dutch translation. The 'urban legend' portion should also be removed, since there is no evidence that Tulp made up anything else
 * All right. I'll try to get those pictures uploaded soon. I didn't photograph the whole thing (as you pointed out, there is a copy in Google books), only the engravings and the table of contents. If you are ever in the Netherlands, you can easily view this book (I didn't even have to put gloves on!) at most of the older libraries, since it was such a popular book up to the 18th century. Jane (talk) 15:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Streets in Dutch version of Monopoly (Game)
Category:Streets in Dutch version of Monopoly (Game), which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Svick (talk) 03:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Re insurance article
Hi Jane. I know, that insurance article is a complete mess! It needs a lot of work and a combination of a lot of time and patience from a number of people... maybe I'll get round to attempting to clean it up in the next few weeks! Tom 11:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

erfgoed maillijst
Hallo Jane,

Is de erfgoed maillinglist misschien wat voor jou? 

Mvg, NL_Bas (talk) 11:00, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha Bas, dank voor de tip! Ik heb mij geabonneerd. gr, Jane (talk) 12:11, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Is this a free photo...
Hello Jane, we just discussed over the difficulties with pictures, isn't it? :-) --Ziko (talk) 16:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is precisely what I meant!! Something like that just sucks all the fun out it, somehow...Jane (talk) 17:10, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Found you here too, do you know how to add javascript to your vector.js file? Victuallers (talk) 12:11, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Good heavens, what a question! I am assuming this is just a question of opening the text file of user:jane023/vector.css (because I don't actually have a user:jane023/vector.js) is that what you mean? Jane (talk) 12:26, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Henry Hope
Dear Jane,

Is this anonymous edit correct? Just curious, S.I. Oliantigna (talk) 12:37, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it's nice to see that page is being watched! The edit looks fine - it's just a substitution of the full article name over the redirect, which happens pretty often. Jane (talk) 12:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

National Monuments in Spain
Hi Jane, I apologise for reverting some of your edits without discussing with you first. I think we look at these monuments rather differently, but there is probably a compromise possible. I think that the monuments formerly in the "national monuments" category probably are better described as national heritage sites, as you proposed for the Alhambra. However, the current monumentos sub-category is rather more specific in scope, and such monuments need to be set in the context of bienes de interés cultural, the overarching category for heritage sites including for example historic gardens. -Alan (talk) 14:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No Problem! I am glad to have someone helping me out here. So can you be more specific about "specific"? I am happy to have National Heritage Site (Spain) link to Bien de Interés Cultural, but does this then include historic gardens and historic buildings? Also, can you also confirm that this is indeed a term that is only used by Spain and no other Spanish speaking country? Because I need a page per country that can then link to the actual heritage lists of that country. Thx - Jane (talk) 19:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Another apology, this time for the delay in getting back to you! I overlooked the reply.


 * I think the term Bien de Interés Cultural is problematic. It is something of a "catch all" term.   As far as I am aware, it is confined to Spain.


 * I would prefer to see Bien de Interés Cultural translated, but I am not sure what would be the best translation. Yes, it does include gardens, prehistoric sites and all sorts of other things apart from buildings.  The "bienes" are assigned sub-categories so that you can see what type of heritage they are.  If you said monumento was best described as a national heritage site, this would leave open the question of how you designate, for example the conjunto histórico, which is often a complete village.  To be more specific, a monumento may be a building - a church, palace or whatever -  within the conjunto. -Alan (talk) 19:54, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem - I am in no hurry. It doesn't matter if Heritage Sites are hierarchical or split into different types at the same site (garden protected differently than the garden wall for example), it is just a question of calling the overall sites something per country that natives and visitors can both understand. I have no problem using the native term, since that is the clearest for the native wikipedia (which is probably the best place to keep the heritage lists themselves). The problem is that we now only have the UNESCO world heritage sites interwiki-linked and I need the national sites, whatever they are called in Spain. I also realize that some countries do not have central lists, which means that you have no choice but to link to some central "list holder" website of that country (in Europe usually the European Heritage Days).Jane (talk) 20:53, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Given that you haven't got a problem with a native term, I think Bien de Interés Cultural is probably best for the Spanish sites. The Spanish maintain a list at the Ministry of Culture, and you can check the sites on line.


 * You may have noticed that there is already a BIC template (which uses an English translation of the term). This has been used on a few articles (see the Alhambra for example). -Alan (talk) 21:40, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Sweet! I saw that template, but didn't look at the number for the bienes designation. I like the idea of a template, even though maintenance can be a problem. For the Dutch rijksmonument, we have a separate, unassuming template just for the Template:Rijksmonument number, and this is what I wanted to implement per country, because there are already nice templates out there for castles, windmills, canals, and other types of "monuments". By the way, on the Alhambra page it now says "Originally national monument, now..." and I would just delete that, since it's is confusingly looking like it *lost* its national monument status, while in fact you are just looking at a change in terminology, which isn't at all relevant here. Jane (talk) 07:27, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh and one more thing - the reason I switched "Monument (Spain)" to "National Heritage Site (Spain)" was because there is a problem now with the name. Using the (Spain) after a term means that it is the Spanish version of the term, which it is not. I mean for example that the Spanish monuments are a much broader category than the objects described on the monument page. I suggest renaming Monument (Spain) to Bien de Interés or Bien de Interés Cultural. I see a potential problem with the term in other Spanish speaking countries, but we can just disambig that the way the Germans have done with their denkmal - I still need to make that page! As for the conjunto históricos, I suggest dealing with them on a separate page. In English these are historcal zones and in the Netherlands, you may even have something protected called a historical view!! This means for example, that you can't build a building tall enough to block the view of a village church spire. Jane (talk) 07:49, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It's interesting what you say about the international context. I can see a case for integrating Spanish monuments into the BIC page. However, it would need some rewriting.  It would be a good idea to bring User:emijrp into the discussion as he has done a lot of work in this area.


 * I have amended the Alhambra page btw. -Alan (talk) 12:55, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I have iniciated ca:Patrimoni històric espanyol. I'm sorry I dont feel myself comfortable enough for writing it in English. "Patrimonio histórico español" is the Spanish term equivalent to National Heritage Site of Spain. The picture roughly is: The Spanish system is semi-federal and regions have their own registers. I hope this helps. --Vriullop (talk) 14:43, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Patrimonio histórico español
 * Bien de Interés Cultural (BIC), top class protection
 * Bienes inmuebles (non-movable heritage)
 * Monumento
 * Others (gardens, historic sites...)
 * Bienes muebles (movable heritage, that is arqueological pieces, works of art, archives...)
 * Bien inventariado, second class protection, regionally regulated (similar to French monument historique inscrit, but including monuments and movable heritage)
 * Thanks! I created the English page here Patrimonio històric español. Jane (talk) 22:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Roger de Piles' artists from Lombardy


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Merge discussion for Roger de Piles' artists from Lombardy
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 * Note: I have also proposed discussions for the sections on German/Low Country artists and French artists.
 * I suppose this is a good idea, and I would support it if you want to do it. I decided to break the book up into chapters precisely because I don't have the information you require, namely, the orginal publication from 1699. I am working from two copies, a French copy from 1715 and a Dutch translation from 1725. I have as yet been unable to get the information about the way the entire book was published, and from the Roger de Piles article it appears that the "balance" was first published as a separate document (it is in both of the copies I referenced). If you have this information, go ahead and make the book article, and then merge the lists in as subsections. That's fine with me. I have two more lists to go (Rome & Venice), so I will put those whereever you decide they need to go. Jane (talk) 15:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

QRpedia and Wiki loves monuments
Great news about the Antwerp Museum, I'd love to get a picture of their four different QR codes! I'm going to phone them and see if they'd like to come and see Derby which I estimate has 12 languages per item and in rare cases 100. I'm not "locked in" to Derby. My reason for concentating on it is to see what effect I can make to a museum. I plan to stop on September 3rd as I cannot push anymore technology in. (Not because it doesnt exist but I think they have reached the limit of their ability to change.) When I was at Wikimania we met a printer who said he could print QR codes that lasted for 70 years!! Now that is interesting I think. We intend to give this idea to Wikimedia and hope that it will be used by "Wiki loves monuments" to take Wikipedia to the people. The great! thing is that we can tag items that are arguably not notable! Victuallers (talk) 09:45, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

And the Childrens Museum in Indy has just put out a press release that mentions QRpedias as has the British Museum. I did make a post. Things are looking good. Victuallers (talk) 16:41, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Signpost request
Hi Jane, I'm writing to you regarding your request at the WikiProjects desk for coverage of the Wiki Loves Monuments project. This is not within the scope of the WikiProjects desk, but if you are keen, I can interview you for the Sister Projects section. Would you be interested? If you are, I'm aiming for publication on Monday 5 Sept. Drop me a note if you are on for this. Cheers. –SMasters (talk) 03:28, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That would be great. I would like you to interview our project "figureheads" though, not me. That would be Lodewijk and Maarten. Jane (talk) 16:36, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll get to work on this soon. Cheers. – SMasters (talk) 05:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, I sent them a mail, so they know you will be contacting them, thanks again! Jane (talk) 08:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Jane, I have invited both Lodewijk and Maarten. The interview is here. As you are the person responsible for setting this up on the English Wikipedia, perhaps you might also like to participate in the interview to give your perspective on things? You are most welcome to do so. Cheers. --SMasters (talk) 05:19, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! When I get a chance I will fill it in! Jane (talk) 08:48, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of List of beschermd erfgoed in Aywaille


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Beschermd erfgoed
Excellent work on those lists. I've left a note over at WikiProject Historic Sites about getting them incorporated into the historic site infobox. Mind having a look? I don't know enough about Flanders to make any constructive suggestions. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:43, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll take a look. I feel bad I got started on these lists so late, because we need them this month for Wiki Loves Monuments. I can't take any credit for the list structure either, since I am just copying them along with their category structure, from the NL wiki - someone already made them Dutch from the French original, and now I am adding the English. If you are interested and have time this month, I could use some help! There are 250 lists and I have barely finished 10% of them. Jane (talk) 17:33, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Please stop labelling things in Wallonia as "Beschermd erfgoed". Either use the English term or translation, or use the French term, but not the Dutch term for French-speaking sites (or vice-versa, I wouldn't support the French term to be used on Flemish sites in this Wikipedia either). Fram (talk) 13:16, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

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Nomination of Joseph Mulder for deletion
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Joseph Mulder
Thank you for your compliment. My thinking, based on my crude understanding of U.S. copyright law, is that any image of his work is copyright-free, since he died long before 1923. U.S. law applies since Wikipedia servers are located in the U.S. Accordingly, it would be legitimate, I think, to capture any good image of his work off the Internet and add it to the article. My understanding is that a photo of a two dimensional work of art published before 1923 is in the public domain, no matter what year the photo was taken. But then again, I could be wrong. What are your thoughts on the matter?  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  05:49, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Cullen, you are absolutely right! In this case, anything you can get your hands on would be welcome. The problem is often in the proper attribution. I get overenthusiastic at times and in the past have linked a picture to an artist's page only to find out that it wasn't by that artist at all. For high-traffic pages like Rembrandt or Frans Hals, mistakes like that get corrected quickly, but in this case it could last for years (which in the case I am remembering, did happen). Don't forget that there is a highly lucrative trade in prints, and I think sellers are only too eager to show that their print is on Wikipedia. For Mulder it would be great to get a high resolution image showing his specific hatchings, the way we do for other engravers, like the one for Cornelis de Visscher. If you have one go ahead! I will make the Commons category (I have a template to do that). Jane (talk) 06:39, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added a couple of images.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  06:18, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Forcing Languages on Users
Hi Jane, thanks for your reply! However, the point I made was that I do NOT live in Poland, and I also do NOT speak any Polish whatsoever! That's what you are unfortunately effing up with when you simply assume that someone's ISP equals his nationality or even the area where he lives. This here is Europe, with countries so close together and so well interacting by now, that such an assumption is simply BS. Sorry. You really should get back to allowing users to set their own preferred language and respect people's intelligence a bit ;-).Beniceer (talk) 16:07, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, actually the banners informing users of the Wiki Loves Monuments contest are only available to users who access Wikipedia from European-based ISP's. No one located in the States has even seen any of those banners. Though I live in the Netherlands, the banner message I see is in English, but when I click on the banner link, it takes me to the native Wiki Loves Monuments website of the Netherlands (which I can fortunately read). I am well aware that 23% of Wikipedia readers located in the Netherlands cannot read that website, so I personally helped create an English summary (which has barely been clicked on, so apparently it doesn't even help). When I want to upload pictures for places in Germany, I need to click on the multi-country link that I gave you. Cheers, Jane (talk) 16:49, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

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Here is the PDF catalog for the Dutch and Flemish Collection for more information on the work from the collection of the Utah Museum of Fine Arts. Cris Baczek (talk) 14:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

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Hello Jane023! My name is Aaron Muszalski, and work at the Wikimedia Foundation. Maryana suggested that you might like to share your story with us as part of our 2011 fundraiser. I'd love the opportunity to speak with you about Wikipedia, how you use it, and why it's important to you. These conversations typically last between 60 - 90 minutes, and can be conducted via Skype, telephone or even instant messaging. If you're interested, please contact me at amuszalski@wikimedia.org. Thank you! Aaron (WMF) (talk) 08:18, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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Hi Jane,

I discovered returning vandalism on List_of_Nobel_laureates_in_Chemistry where data was falsified and wrong images were added. I came across this by accident, and nobody noticed for quite a while - shocking, to be honest. I expect this vandal to keep going on (but if the article were protected, he would probably find other articles to vandalize in a similar way) so could you keep an eye out as well and put it on your watchlist? The vandal works both logged in and from his university IP addresses. effeietsanders 10:02, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem! Chemistry's not my thing, but it's on my watchlist now. Jane (talk) 10:09, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, don't be afraid, the vandalism likely won't touch on chemical details. Just changing names which you can easily check on www.nobel.se . It is just that I dont visit my watchlist here often enough to be sure I catch it quickly. Thanks! effeietsanders 10:18, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

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Teylers project
Hello Jane,

GLAM/Teylers: Here you can find the project page for the Teylers project.

Mvg, Basvb (talk) 20:45, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's a good idea to rate the articles related to the project with the usual rating system from en-wikipedia (the templates on the talk pages). Could you start that up? I believe you've created that for the WLM-2011 project page as well. Mvg, Basvb (talk) 21:20, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Bas, believe me, I am trying, but as I recall, this is not that easy to set up! Jane (talk) 14:04, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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Dag Jane023, als je dit kan plezieren. Prettige feestdagen! Lotje ツ (talk) 12:14, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ja, gewoon een pagina voor haar maken! Wat een trieste situatie. Het was al zeer droevig, en met mijn inmenging vind ik het alleen droeviger geworden. Dit is precies de reden waarom ik nauwelijks te vinden ben op de NL wikipedia. Is het discriminatie? Nee, gewoon onvriendelijk gedrag. En dat met de kerst!! Prettige feestdagen terug! Jane (talk) 14:02, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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