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June 2023
Please do not use styles that are nonstandard, unusual, inappropriate or difficult to understand in articles, as you did in Vitex agnus-castus. There is a Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. ''Writing English grammar appears not to be within your competence for writing. Please consider editing in your native language; see List of Wikipedias.'' Zefr (talk) 15:03, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The information I added had value. If you thought that my sentence could be improved, you could have rephrased it. If you wanted me to improve, you could have pointed out what was wrong. Instead, you’ve chosen to delete the sentence and make a judgment of my language skills.
 * I am denied a discussion because you didn’t even say what was wrong. You felt entitled to discard my work and discredit me. On what grounds? My language might be affected by the fact I speak 6 but English is the first. I am not a writer but I am a doctor. I teach. I publish papers. I had the best intentions trying to improve that article but I have a family and a job. I don’t have time to study manuals in order to amend one sentence. English is also an international language of science and it cannot be patented by native speakers.
 * Where could I make a complaint about this? If there is so much discussion about Wikipedia being edited by white men, we need to start talking about situations like this one. JaneLuck (talk) 10:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not clear what white men have to do with this, I see no indication that User:Zefr is either. I can see that they have a Doctor of Philosophy degree in Physiology and is interested in medical articles but nothing more personal. I see that the sentence in question was "The active ingredient of Vitex agnus, casticine, is proven to inhibits prolactine release, thus help with infertility but is not recommended to breast-feeding women." Do you see any problems with it? I'm also wondering if you noticed that the last sentence of the article is "Use of vitex is discouraged for pregnant or breastfeeding women, and for children." Doug Weller  talk 05:42, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I also note that at Śmigus-dyngus you changed " and spanking them with pussy willows" to "Sometimes they also strike them gently". I don't see that in the source - nothing about "gently", and the source uses the word "whipping". Granted, it does mention a single person gently striking around 1965, but he seems to have been an outlier living in New York and this is an old Central European going back to the Middle Ages according to the source. The source also says "The Easter whipping custom still exists in Central Europe; Laszlo Lukacs cites variants in Poland, Hungary, and Germany.32 Whipping and other Dyngus Day customs are seldom observed in the older Polish communities of the United States, some of which date from the 1880s. Water splashing, however, is still done as a joke in southern Ontario, where a more recent group of Polish immigrants has settled.". It's very important not to change sourced material unless the source has been misrepresented. Btw, I admit to being an old white man. Doug Weller  talk 06:07, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The sentence which was deleted was incorrect. I got distracted and changed my idea of what I wanted to say in the middle of the sentence. The sentence was not corrected or pointed out as incorrect. Instead, someone said:  “Writing English grammar appears not to be within your competence for writing. Please consider editing in your native language” It is an attack on my writing skills in English. It is a very broad conclusion, not a signal that I posted an incorrect sentence. A person who feels entitled to say that must be used to a position in which throwing unjustified, hurtful judgments are granted to them as a right. This is related to being white men. I am sorry if you don’t see a problem, especially when it happens to someone who is new.
 * About Śmingus Dyngus: the article was misleading and led many people I know to wrong ideas about what the custom was so I tried to correct it. I know this custom from being practiced. I saw it in many counties and I practice it myself. I didn’t think about the fact that first-hand experience is not allowed so only published sources can be taken as an account of the truth. Careers allowing to publish are more available to white men. This feels like a massive source of bias.
 * Also, I wanted to join Wikipedia editors because I thought I could improve it but I don’t have a lot of time. White men have more time so they can spend it on overcomplicated rules and long manuals. Wikipedia gives an impression of being a democratic source of knowledge where everybody can contribute but in practice, it is for people who can become experts in editing Wikipedia. I cannot. I came with the best intentions and I am leaving with a feeling it is unfair. It made me doubt Wikipedia. I am sorry. I wish you all the best. Jane JaneLuck (talk) 19:15, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Your writing skills seem very good. Please don’t give up. We have many editors who aren’t white. We do have a mentorship program if you’re interested and other pages for new users to ask for advice. Doug Weller  talk 19:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)