User talk:Jane Emily Herbert

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HELP!

I have no idea what on earth I am doing here. I thought I had to have the name Jane Emily Herbert in order to write about her so got the name today on gmail. I am not related or connected in any way other than I came across several articles in 1840 and 1850s old Irish newspapers while researching O'Shea ancestors that really jumped out at me as she was a women in a man's world writing about Irish history and in verse if you don't mind. When I looked around I didn't see a whole lot on her so from one woman to another I firmly believe she should have her place in history. I had to do a lot of research on ancestry to discover what I did so I will cry if you don't allow me to write about her. So what do I do now? Should I register under my own name and start all over again (please, please don't say I have to do that). I'm sorry if I broke the rules but I didn't think to read them as I wasn't stealing anyone's work just writing about the work of someone who died over 130 years ago

Please advice me what to do,

Thanks,

Maria Jane Emily Herbert (talk) 00:32, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Jane Emily Herbert! Thanks for contributing to the encyclopedia, your edits are very well welcomed! Even if you are not related to the person named in the article, for a number of reasons it is still advised to change your username so that it doesn't appear connected to any specific article or person/company/organization. In theory you could use your real name, but my personal suggestion is to choose something that wouldn't help other people to find your real identity; anonymity has its own advantages, on the Internet. I invite you to read this policy about the kind of usernames that you should avoid. After you've read it and you have chosen a policy-compliant username that sounds good to you, just reply to me here and I'll guide you to make the change. Cheers! ► LowLevel (talk) 02:31, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Jane Emily Herbert! Did you perhaps had a chance to read my recommendation above about the change of your username? This should be the first move to make, regardless of the article. I saw that you wrote to me on my user page, but that's my personal page and it's better to talk here, on your talk page. Let me know if you have read the policy that I've linked above. Cheers! ► LowLevel (talk) 12:06, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

About the article Jane Emily Herbert
Hello Jane Emily Herbert, I've taken the liberty to move the message that you wrote to me, from my user page to here. Here it follows... ► LowLevel (talk) 12:18, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Good morning LowLevel73


 * Thank you for replying to my very loud cry for help. I have tried to figure out how to lay out the page according to the wikipedia rules and just can't get my head around it so any help would be most welcome. I have proof of the articles/quotes I refer to as had to puchase an account with newspaperarchives, irishnewspaerarchives and genealaogybank in order to have then but saw no point in directing people to the addresses where I sourced them as they too would have to purchase the articles in question. I am working on a Jane Emily Herbert website today so I could link the quotes to that as I will upload the articles there. Phew...I thought it would be soooooooooooo much easier to have a page on wikipedia, though I fully understand your need to protect the rights of other people.


 * When I received the message yesterday alerting me to the fact there may have been a conflict of interest in my writing about someone who I shared a name with (though thankfully we have established the reason I share her name and the fact there is no conflict of interest)I reuploaded the article for review under another username of cancerjourneyofdiscovery but I have not verified my email address on I as wasn't sure I could even do that.


 * I really badly need your help in order to format the page in accordance with the policy rules. I am not out to bend them or to portray a false image of someone, I just want to give a brilliant writer of her day (not my quote but those of literary experts of her time)the recognition she so richly deserves. Lord knows there are enough no-talents out there with pages galore...imho


 * Thanks in advance for your much needed help


 * Jane Emily Herbert (talk) 10:12, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * How do I make the page adhere to the rules?

Good morning LowLevel73

I have deleted the user page on my account as it is conflicting with the article on Jane Emily Herbert who is the 19th centuary Irish poet I wrote the article on. I originally wrote it up in the completely wrong place by displaying it on my user page. I noted after the fact that only an administator can actually delete a page so can you please advise me what to do next. I want the article to be read but not on the user page as well as that is surely confusing. Thank you Jane Emily Herbert (talk) 09:53, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, I happened to see this conversation so I hope you'll excuse my dropping in. First about your user account, the name isn't a problem but please don't create multiple accounts.  I accept it's done in all innocence but too often on Wikipedia there is misuse of multiple accounts (know as WP:Sockpuppetry) and it can lead to all accounts being blocked from editing.  So if you can tell me what other accounts you have created, which one you want to carry on using and I'll block all the others (I am an administrator) to prevent any possible action for socking.  It's not something that is going to be held adversely against you if you reveal now what you've accidentally done, so please don't worry about this.
 * As for the article, Jane Emily Herbert, it's absolutely a subject on which an article is needed. Poets and female poets especially are hugely under-represented on Wikipedia, you've made a great start which can be built on.  The layout is nt a huge issue, if you look at a Featured article like Stella Gibbons then you'll see an example of how to lay the article out.  It doesn't have to exactly the same but you get the gist.  You'v found a huge number of references to Jane Emily's work so what is needed is greater precision over those, so if we take, for example, the reviews of Poetical Recollections of Irish History, you've mentioned the Edinburgh Advertiser, the Monitor and Weekly Warden but we need things like dates, issue numbers, page numbers (if possible) so that anyone who wants to either verify what is claimed or wants to read more fo the review has a fairly specific set of information to start searching for the source document.  Even better if is the source is available on line then where?  Another element that needs referencing  are statements lke the one made in the opening sentence; who, in her time, was hailed as the legitimate successor, in the female line, to the laurel vacant since the death of Felicia Hemans  Who said so?  When? Where?  And, to be honest, some explanation of what the accolade means.  The way it reads at the moment suggests that it's almost a formal post she should have been promoted to which I suspect is not quite the case?
 * I also think there is benefit in brief summaries of the works themselves as they don't have article themselves. So Poetical Recollections of Irish History How big a volume is it? What sort of topics does it cover?  What prompted her to write it?  All of this adds to the strength and interest of the article but needs to be supported by references.
 * Keep up the great start and leave any replies here, I will see them. Nthep (talk) 11:29, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much for responding Nthep. I initially thought I couldn't use Jane Emily Herbert as a username (thought it would be nice tribute to her without realising the conflict of interest it could have caused. I honestly just thought I would write up something on her and perhaps someone might just see it). Of course I rather stupidly included in my username page first then had to move it (thank you for deleting it). In the meantime I decided to use a different username of Macushla44 so as not to appear to others that I had some sort of bias because I haven't as I happened across her work by pure accident. Unfortunately it seems in doing so I have inadvertantly broken another rule so I am very sorry about that. Perhaps best to stick to the username of Macushla44 only now I can't remember what email address I used or if it is the same one as Jane Emily Herbert. There are way too many things going on in my heard right now so this is turning out to be much more complicated than I expected or indeed hoped. I guess anything is only easy when you know how.

As for the references and articles I can only link them to the website I have created for Jane Emily Herbert as I had to purchase the articles myself so if I link to the place where I purshased them then others will be asked to do likewise then they will think I am part of a scam. It has taken me hours upon hours to create the website but every single quote, including the opening line, can be verified and explained by following the links I provided. I could say how many pages in each book, the publisher etc but that too is on the website. Am I wrong to link to her website in order to better provide this information?

I will have to spend the remainder of the evening going back over the kind replies I have received thus far as they provide steps I have to take to make my article more wikepedia friendly so I need to get my head around them.

Thanks again to you, and also everyone else, for the much needed help Jane Emily Herbert (talk) 18:18, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


 * If the only place most of the references are found online is your own website, best not to link to that. References to paper copies are sufficient, them being online is added bonus not mandatory.
 * You can check which email address you are using on User:Macushla44 by going to Special:Preferences and seeing what address you used to register the account. I'll give you some time to check it out but then I'll block User:Jane Emily Herbert and User:Cancerjourneyofdiscovery (unless you ask otherwise). Nthep (talk) 18:48, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you again. I checked that so I now know what I used so I will stick to Macushla44, thanks. This won't delete the article will it? I will check through the article later and where I haven't included the date of the refs/quote then I will do so. However I won't get this done until much later and perhaps not until tomorrow. Is this ok? Jane Emily Herbert (talk) 18:58, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The article is (pretty) safe from deletion, there's more than enough there to establish notability and the user accounts are irrelevant to that. There's no rush to do anything so take your time. Nthep (talk) 19:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)