User talk:Jaredzimmerman (WMF)/Archives/2014/September

Beep
Bkfunk (talk) 21:34, 29 October 2013 (UTC) Ok, so on the page for Amoeboid, there's this sentence: "The former is basically a giant multinucleate amoeba, while the latter lives solitary until food runs out; in which a colony of these functions as a unit." This doesn't make any sense, and at the very least is punctuated incorrectly. But I don't know what the original author was trying to say. What should I do? How can I flag this particular sentence?


 * Jared Zimmerman (talk) 21:51, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * @Bkfunk, I would fix it as you know best, or try a tool like http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/wikiblame.php to find the change, and talk to the user who made the change.


 * Bkfunk (talk) 20:35, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hm. I wish there were a way to flag certain phrases/sections as unclear, such that any user who had edited that section would be notified.


 * Jared Zimmerman (talk) 21:22, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * @Bkfunk, you can put by adding  right after the paragraph in question, which will put it in a queue for people who want to go fix citations, but thats a bit different, If you can't figure out the original author's intent, i would just recommend rewriting yourself, you could copy the original text into the talk page so that its preserved, in case they come back and want to rewrite it themselves.

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User Experience Design Team
Hi, I am Gabriel Chi Hong Lee from zh.wikivoyage. I would like to help the design team. Although I am only a 13 kid who lives in Hong Kong, but I think I am experienced in mediawiki, I am admin on beta.wikiversity and zh.wikivoyage. Also, I am a bot runner on commons, zh.wikipedia and zh-yue.wikipedia. I would like to know how can I help. Thanks for your attention! My email is chihonglee777@gmail.com and please leave your reply in [|here], thanks!--Gabrielchihonglee (talk) 09:19, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Gabrielchihonglee, I'm traveling at the moment, but lets talk when i'm back in SF, are there particular things you'd like to focus on? have you taken a look at the design tagged bugs in bugzilla? Joining the design mailing list, or taking a look at some of our UX roadmap tasks? Jared Zimmerman (talk) 12:41, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Jared Zimmerman, thanks for your reply! I have join the mailing list and looked at the roadmap tasks, I can do anything you want me to do. :) --Gabrielchihonglee (talk) 14:36, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I am readdy to join :) --Gabrielchihonglee (talk) 12:49, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Gabrielchihonglee, you're here, you've already "joined" I'd just start going through the bugs here and tackling what you can. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=design&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=293000&order=priority%2Cchangeddate%20DESC%2Cvotes%20DESC%2Cbug_status%20DESC%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&query_based_on=&query_format=advanced&resolution=--- Jared Zimmerman (talk) 20:46, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * no problem, I already have a labs account and running a bot on it. I have asked others for how to fix bugs but failed to know. I only know that it is something related to the gerrit, can you tell me how to fix the bugs? Thanks! --Gabrielchihonglee (talk) 10:31, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Gabrielchihonglee perhaps reach out to the wikitech-l mailing list with the bug in questions, its a more technical list, and they might be able to help more than I can Jared Zimmerman (talk) 15:18, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Feedback needed on using special characters
Hello. Thank you for using VisualEditor! Having editors use it is the best way for the Wikimedia Foundation to develop it into the best tool it can be.

While we always welcome general feedback (please report any issues in Bugzilla in the "VisualEditor" product or drop your feedback on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org), the developers are especially interested right now in feedback on the special character inserter. This new tool is used for inserting special characters (including symbols like ₥, IPA pronunciation symbols, mathematics symbols, and characters with diacritics). It is intended to help people whose computers do not have good character inserters. For example, many Mac users prefer to use the extensive "Special Characters..." tool present at the bottom of the Edit menu in all applications or to learn the keyboard shortcuts for characters like ñ and ü.

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 * How often do you normally use Wikipedia's character inserters?
 * Which character sets are useful to you? Should it include all 18 of the character sets provided in the wikitext editor's newer toolbar at the English Wikipedia, the 10 present in the older editor toolbar, or some other combination of character sets?
 * How many special characters would you like to see at one time?
 * Should there be a "priority" or "favorites" section for the 10 or 12 characters that most editors need most often? Is it okay if you need an extra click to go beyond the limited priority set?
 * How should the sections be split up? Should they be nested? Ordered?
 * How should the sections be navigated? Should there be a drop-down? A nested menu?
 * The wikitext editor has never included many symbols and characters, like ℗ and ♀. Do you find that you need these missing characters?  If the character inserter in VisualEditor includes hundreds or thousands of special characters, will it be overwhelming? How will you find the character you want? What should be done for users without enough space to display more than a few dozen characters?
 * Should the character inserter be statically available until dismissed? Should it hover near the mouse? Should it go away on every selection or 10 seconds after a selection with no subsequent ones?
 * Some people believe that the toolbar already has too many options—how would you simplify it?

The developers are open to any thoughts on how the special character inserter can best be developed, even if this requires significant changes. Please leave your views on the central feedback page, or, if you'd prefer, you can contact me directly on my talk page. It would be really helpful if you can tell me how frequently you need to use special characters in your typical editing and what languages or other special characters are important to you.

Thank you again for your work with VisualEditor and for any feedback you can provide. I really do appreciate it.

P.S. You might be interested in the current ideas about improving citations, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Something to consider
Hi,

I was just reading this article on how to make Wikipedia more readable and I really liked the way it finally appeared. The overall look was simple, elegant and more futuristic and less in the 2000s as people sometimes consider Wikipedia to be.

Please do look at it, and see if we can actually implement some of these suggestions. It would be a real major improvement if WIkipedia does end up looking this good.

Thanks, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:10, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Ping Vibhabamba, Pginer

(Please ping me when you reply)

TheOriginalSoni, are you familiar with the typography Beta Feature? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Typography_refresh Jared Zimmerman (talk) 12:35, 24 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Not really, I'm sorry. Is there something in particular I should know about the Typography beta feature? Soni (talk) (Previously TheOriginalSoni) 09:59, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Soni, many of this idea brought up in "how to make Wikipedia more readable" have been in-progress from the typography beta feature for some time now. Jared Zimmerman (talk) 22:25, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I just wanted to inform you of this so something could be done. If there are already changes underway, then I'd love to see them happen soon. Soni (talk) (Previously TheOriginalSoni) 22:18, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Unable to comment on Community Design Trello board
Hey, I wanted to post to the Community Design board, but it doesn't look like I can. I'm not sure if I need to be invited to join it, or if there's a setting that needs to be changed? Anyway, I like the idea and would love to contribute. --Nicereddy (talk) 23:28, 22 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Nicereddy, ugh, annoying, I just did some research and it looks like trello has changed their product a bit, and made it impossible for users without accounts to make cards (only comment and vote) I've changed the settings, and you can now make a free account on trello to start adding cards to the board, you can use an email and password or google login. If I can figure out a better way I'll let you know and update the instruction on the Design page. I also did a quick hack, more work for me but thats ok, comment on an existing placeholder card and I'll make it a top level card. Jared Zimmerman (talk) 03:18, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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List of women art historians
Hi Jared--sorry that I reverted you. I'm following the AfD and it seems pretty clear that the more unlinked (or redlinked) entries there are, the more likely it is that the list as a whole will be deleted. First order of business, it seems to me, is to save this list. Second order of business is to expand it, obviously, but consensus across the project appears to be that for lists it's better to write them first and then add them, rather than add redlinks and then see if they turn blue. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:45, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Drmies, There were a few list items that had articles already, that simply hadn't been linked, in your rush to delete everything that wasn't linked I now lost the items which had articles already which had not been linked, I appreciate your intention, but a ping might have been useful prior to the removal of the data, or shifting a version to Draft: namespace… Jared Zimmerman (talk) 03:50, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I restored linked items, but not interwikilinked items. It's all still in the history. Did you look at the AfD? That article needs to be saved first by improving it along the lines of the suggestions made (and supported) in that AfD. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 14:13, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Drmies, you're not understanding, when I manually went through the list, item by item I discovered a couple items that already had articled on en.wiki, that just had not be linked yet, since you reverted my changed completely you lost this information. Jared Zimmerman (talk) 18:53, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * This is your edit. I went through every item. You added four entries with blue links; I did not count how many red links or links to wikis in other languages you added--dozens, at least. One you added was Coosje van Bruggen, who was already in the article (correctly, under B), another was Thelma Thomas, whose article redirects to Thelma Afford, and she does not appear to be an art historian. So that leaves, in that massive edit, two valid, bluelinked additions: Joanna Woodall and Sylvia Williams. Now, I don't want to make this personal at all, but I've been here for a while, and I think I know what those list articles should look like, and how to make an article survive an AfD discussion. So far I'm doing pretty well in that discussion and in the article, I think, and there is no need to put anything in Draft user space since this is Wikipedia: nothing is lost. It's right there in the history. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 21:07, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Drmies, Thank you for doing the work to find the items which were missing the links, and incorrectly removed, much appreciated. Jared Zimmerman (talk) 21:27, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Jared, I left a loooong comment on the article talk page. I hope you know we're on the same team. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:13, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

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Responsively sized images
Hi,

I came across your ""... eventually I'd love for us to move to responsively sized images..."" mentioned in passing (totally agree btw) and thought I should drop you a line.

This can be achieved with just a bit of css to get around wikimarkup's current idiotic thumbnail approach. See it in a "crude" form over on Wikisource HERE (uses s:Template:FreedImg in addition to defining some css classes). You can resize your browser window or adjust your browser settings all day long and the images will dynamically resize themselves accordingly. The only downside was the wait some folks had at first in order to load images at their actual dimensions - which is now pretty much moot thanks to MediaViewer doing the same. Prost -- George Orwell III (talk) 14:28, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Please pardon my rudeness interfering but perhaps THIS was intended rather than "HERE" (which kinda goes nowhere) above? AuFCL (talk) 00:47, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * George Orwell III, Perhaps you could comment on the bug? or even begin writing a patch for this? I think we'll have to have some intelligence around making sure images only take up half the width of the content body section, with a max width of 350px and a minimum width of ??? We'll want to make sure that the images switch to full width when we hit a tablet or phone breakpoint, or in the case of panoramic images on desktop, which should be responsive but also allow for full width. Jared Zimmerman (talk) 19:13, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Meh. Beside the fact I've forgotten which throw-away email account I registered under at Bugzilla, there is really not much else to it other than having the CSS definitions in place site-wide. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to make exactly what you've described a reality for both workstations & mobile devices - its just a bit beyond my skillset is all. I had hoped spreading it this limited first-step around would inspire a solution to the various agent-to-device issues; the recent MediaViewer fiasco presented an opportunity to float our premise again which is the real reason I spoke up here (fwiw, Pete Forsyth seems to think this has possibilities too). I should also make it clear that one would not be likely to be able to "fix" the current image thumbnail scheme. As it stands now, the current approach needs to be circumvented altogether and have 'the normal' HTML block & inline element behavior [re]applied to work as expected again thru the reinforcements defined via CSS. No .php, no .js, no nothing-else needed - just the ability to have multiple inline elements (SPAN, A, & finally IMG) inherit width & height dimensions from their parent block containing element(s) (DIV or P). Of course, formally making a module or extension out of any of this makes far more sense than some Gadget-like applied solution. Regardless, inline elements have always had a "hard time" successfully inheriting such values from other inline elements, thus the need to clearly 'spell it out for them' again in a CSS. But add to that the deficiency introduced with the incorporation of the srcset scheme to the thumbnail wiki-markup regime in place now (wtf were they thinking? Its in the alpha stage of HTML5 development at best) and you'll never get that 'cascade of inheriting' to happen across the board. Even the current thumbnail-caption w/magnification icon thingy causes a breakdown in "inheriting" properly for cris' sake.  In short - sorry; you're not likely to overcome all that without the usual christmas tree of coding & scripting in securing a "fix" (see MediaViewer development for an example). I don't see any benefit from this if it comes to that point.  Still, I'd be happy to help in anyway I can; just point the way. -- George Orwell III (talk) 21:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * George Orwell III, no need to apologize, the example is useful in of itself, I appreciate the interest, and the example can serve as an inspiration as to how it will (mostly) work in the future. Thanks again! Jared Zimmerman (talk) 23:44, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do think there is some good potential here -- glad to see the example is still getting some consideration. Thanks for the ping -- not sure there's much else I can offer beyond moral support, though! -Pete (talk) 20:11, 22 July 2014 (UTC)