User talk:JarrahTree/Archive 24

Re: clean Talk page
I got your message, I've just got in I've been stuck behind inner city road closures. Not wasting the opportunity I took the camera for a wander around the city got picts that'll be upload over the next few days. The road closures are useful though cause I could stand in the middle of the road an not get run while I took the photo. Got hay looking west from between peir and barrack, got murray looking west from peir, old fire station, salv house at 69 murray, st goerges looking west from victoria(lined with people) victoria north/south from st georges st(almost run over by police car) also got concert hall from both north and south(good sunlight on south side). There's a new statue of Stirling at the town hall got that(after 5-6 attempts mumble people humph!) both cathederals have scaffolding up as does the facarde of the original courts on hay. Also goverment printers on murray and pier, Also riverside drive looking east and some nice sunsets with the bell tower, kings park, river, barrack st jetties. Gnangarra 15:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a coffee later this week might be in order then, I've looked at the street picts not 100% happy especially if you've some I wont upload. buildings will be uploaded tonight, wondering if another skyline image is worth adding. Gnangarra 10:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Selection are now uploaded at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gnangarra/gallery Gnangarra 10:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

that
hmm, thanx for that. keep it at the back of my mind incase i can add to that important bit of oz lit... 'nickle queen' sounds great, almost have trouble believing even with that link :) &rArr; bsnowball  15:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * (accidently annon) added richardson, cld end 'colonising' the article:) perhaps little comments/summaries like that? or do u think it shld be paragraphed properly? &rArr;  bsnowball  14:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't tell if articles are in progress or not - many are just left as a few words. As you say, it's better to use the sandbox or a word processor program to produce an article that can be pasted more or less complete. Sorry if the deletion upset you, but I'm not clairvoyant, and it's not as if you lost pages of edits, thanks, jimfbleak 07:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

SUnday arvo
Seems you have been busy. I put one link from Indonesia from the "orphaned" article. Let me know what you think. No doubt I can find a few more. Nice work on the bio-stubs, but what would be even nicer, would be to see some of their work (cited of course!) appearing in Indonesia related articles. By the way, I put Indonesia up for peer review. I don't expect an awful lot from it but i see it as necessary before we go to GA. I think it deserves GA but i expect to get a lot of comments like "need more on terrorism, corruption, Indonesian and East Timor, etc, etc". All of these are mentioned but the article is so long already! --Merbabu 08:54, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * oh - um, re the Islam in SE Asia article, in its current form perhaps deletion is not underserved but I think it is a valid topic in principle. Just needs a lot of work, but i doubt that will happen - people don't want to do research. I merely reacted to the request for more wiki links in the vague hope it might draw eds towards it. I actually saved the Traditionalist Islam article in my sandbox for "spare parts". If you wanna delete this one too, there's probably some spares in it too. --Merbabu 09:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Maritime project
No problems, Satu. It looks really good, but I think maybe it needs a shortcut. My parents are very involved with the Nepean Historical Society at Sorrento in Victoria. The historical society runs a museum in the old Mechanics Institute building and a lot of their material is maritime history. Dad has a lot of books and information about the convict and trading ships that came to Victoria. I shall have to raid his library. :) Hope all is well. Cheers, Sarah Ewart 15:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Questionable place name spelling
Questionable place name spelling is a category of places who’s names have two or more published or recognized spellings. How does that offend you? Jeepday 23:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * No worries; who would have thunk so many of us would have Yalgoo on our watchlists. Hesperian 23:57, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

LOL, no problem. Thanks for your feed back. Jeepday 23:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Primary sources tag
I'm aiming for some balance in many of the articles im tagging with primarysources. Simply using the subjects own website as a refernece is bound to introduce a heavy amount of bias. It's only a push if you accept the challenge :) -- Longhair\talk 01:36, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Standards sure have risen here in a short space of time. If any article is hard pushed to find a valid external reference, one must question whether it's a valid article at all. Plenty to go ;)... -- Longhair\talk 01:42, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Work
Thanks. Until I focus myself and bring an article up to GA standard, I'm just tinkering around the edges. BTW, I started to clean up the Yamin page, but then realized that I've read much of the content before - it's been copied from []. Not sure if there is a copyright violation here or if the wikipedia contributor is also the author of the original content. Was too jaded at the time to chase it up. (Caniago 05:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC))

Yalgoo
I noticed that later, as Hesp said is was only the phrasing of the cat that "Questionable" that was the problem, current cat is fine. I'm just a little flat atm and cant get into any major writting at the moment so I'm just poking around. I'm starting to accumulate a list of todo articles. Gnangarra 07:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Deon
Yes, I do and so does Michael. Sarah Ewart 09:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I hear you, Satu. If anyone contacts him IRL, it would probably be best for Michael to as they are school friends (I believe). I know his name and where he lives, but would have to look his family up in the phonebook and I don't imagine that would be appreciated. I sent him an email and I'm just hoping he replies soon. Sarah Ewart 09:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No problems, Satu. I understand completely where you are coming from and I feel the same way. Sarah Ewart 09:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * replied via email. :) Sarah Ewart 01:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Indonesia
re culture, up to you. I am working all over the article at the moment but i will do section edits wherever possible so chances are won't be any edit conflicts. The important bit is to get it done. Did you see my commnets in the peer review? By the way, i am removing date links, but the automated peer review is a bit contradictory. But, i will go with link removal cos I don't see any point to most of them - except the year 1945 maybe. --Merbabu 10:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry - what do you mean regarding the peer review with In Indonesia, In Java and regional variation? please spell it out for the dummy that I am tonight. lol --Merbabu 10:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey mate - you live in sydnery? you aint dumb its my trying to follow too many threads at the same time - sorry. Indonesia article - and the peer review.  Separately my hobby geegee is regional variation, I tend to try to make sure there is no ignoring that SatuSuro 10:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Page moves
I tried to move Indonesian National Revolution to Indonesian War of Independence but couldn't. It is already created. How do we move it without copy and paste??? See apparent consensus:  If you know how, can you do it soon? I want to make this the collab - i promised User:Nielswik and I should keep my word. --Merbabu 10:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, i actually live in Yogya - moved from Jakarta last year. My wife and I have a development business. We are building some nice modern residential developments in a few places in Java. They are truely modernist but with Javanese influence - and with environmentally sustainable building technologies. Not just tacked on bits of Java, but design with Javanese sensibility from the bottom up.
 * OK - i will ask the admins you mention re the page move - i know at least two of them.
 * btw, i am of course talking complete bollocks about living in Indonesia with a development business. lol - just "dreaming out loud" as Bono would say. One day maybe. You are right - i live in Sydney - am a civil engineer. with Asian Stud degree too. cheers. --Merbabu 11:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Now i am really confused. I thought you asked me whether i lived in sydney!?! Must have been somewhere else. hmmm. --Merbabu 11:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't dish it. Sydney is a very special place - i love it. I know it has its problem (expensive, transport/traffic, chaotic at times, mediocre design - well, usually) but places like Vauclues, Darlinghurst and my own Mosman are perfect examples of what make Sydney amazing. --Merbabu 11:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm on GMT+8 so its just gone 2018 anyhow Sarah has already done the move. Gnangarra 12:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Collab
Hello there. For the next two weeks we have chosen >>>Indonesian War of Independence<<< for the Indonesia Collab. Also, please vote for the next fortnight. Maybe we should chose a stub article. So far, we have had already longish articles and they are therfore hard to expand. Here's a list of Indonesian underdeveloped articles:. Please let me know if you have any suggestions (or if you do not want me to message you about the collabs). kind regards --Merbabu 12:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * well - will you contribute? lol. if you can, why not nominate. but i like the idea of developing a stub. i think the problem with say Majapahit, is that there was already a fair bit there and everyone is just too lazy to research new. just endless copyedit and format. :( --Merbabu 12:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow! I just checked your suggestions and you are right - very underdeveloped. I was assuming a lot more had been done. Yes, both need work. So, of the two, forget which one is more important, but which would benefit the most from the collab process? Both good candidates. you should nominate one. --Merbabu 13:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Fine with me. How about list them in WikiProject_Indonesia/Collaboration, so we can vote. Nice to have more than one nominations. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 15:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Re your triple* nomination for the collab, i see it as funny rather than problematic. As for getting more people involved, do what you can. (*So far) --Merbabu 13:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

More oddness courtesy of Perth schoolchildren
diff - guess we can expect more of this in coming weeks! Now that my Melb stuff is beginning to wrap up and I've got realworld uni stuff happening, I'll actually be able to get back to my little project of improving all Perth suburb articles to start-class, and then taking selected ones beyond that. Did anything happen re the roads btw? Orderinchaos78 13:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be awesome re the photos! If I can help in any way let me know - I'll be studying all next year so will have occasional free time to go out and snap things. I've got about 120 shots from my Yanchep-Butler walk - am planning on going back to Alkimos (the future city) this week sometime when weather allows. Orderinchaos78 14:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Order, if you or anyone else reading this is going down Mandurah way in the next week or so, I need some shots of the Dawesville Cut. Else I'll go down myself in a couple of weekends time. &mdash;Moondyne 15:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Ricklefs
 Ricklefs, M.C, A History of Modern Indonesia 2002 Stanford University Press; 3rd ed, 512 pages, ISBN 0-8047-4479-3  DO you have this book? Is it worth buying? You also mentioned a multi-volume set. what was that? --Merbabu 13:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

If I could communicate with you by email at all? You are most welcome to email me - its up to you, email this user works for me. I am verging on trying to not wear my biog on my talk messages so much... :) SatuSuro 13:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Dictator
lol - you reverted b4 i go a chance to. that's a funny one isn't it. I mean, the guy was indeed a dictator, but it just doesn't seem right too put it there. to simplistic. I remember being told off for replacing "dictator" with "authoritarian" on his page. But, authoritarian, i believe, is still there. --Merbabu 15:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

--Merbabu 15:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Validation
So what is your favourite U2 album and why? Ie, your favourite U2 album does not have to contain your favourite U2 song - mine doesn't. ;-) --Merbabu 15:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * For me, Rattle and Hum: mix of studio and live recording, with Gospel/American influences. Even has a cover of a Beatles song, and a Hendrix style version of the US anthem. An eclectic but interesting mix of music styles. (Caniago 16:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC))


 * Gawd ansering on my own talk page - I have very special memories of when Joshua Tree used to play on the big speakers at the old 78 Records shop on Hay Street it was part of my youth I cannot even put a date to anymore SatuSuro 11:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Airports
Will be back later with some key sources of airport info (Caniago 16:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC))

Bdo
Don't worry about it, it was a poor attempt at humour. &mdash;Moondyne 01:57, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Another weak attempt at humour on my part. &mdash;Moondyne 13:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Please revert whatever you think is worthwhile, I just felt there was a lot of fluff there that needed to go - I'm not bothered if you do. I may have gone a bit overboard. &mdash;Moondyne 13:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't quite know how to handle the existing articles list. I just wanted to move them out of the to-do section.  &mdash;Moondyne 13:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm unsure about how or when to use an AMH category - I'm unsure if its appropriate WP categorisation tagging. I need to think about it a bit. &mdash;Moondyne 13:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Biographical article project?
Hi SatuSuro, Thanks for your welcome, is there a standards page or project for biographies of living people?Knobbly 05:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Bios
Best way to do this is to look at a few bios first. I would recommend C.Y. O'Connor, then try Bob Brown - you need to look at ones of living persons and the not so living ones, as well as contentious ones and the mild stubs like the one I started on Thomas Bather Moore - its best to see what mess editors can get up to - and usually on their talk pages there are links to other places to look at. Hope that helps. Please dont hesitate to ask anything. If I cant help there are plenty of places to go to...SatuSuro 07:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * See also, Biographies of living persons. -- Longhair\talk 08:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Excellent advice! SatuSuro 11:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Weh Island
Hey, thanks. It's easier to pass GA for a small non-contentious article. Oh, and I've been helped by Bwmodular, one of the best copyeditor. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 14:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Shopping Centres
Going quite well thanks, just plugging away at this myself and compiling the information which I know, including information on all the extensions through the years. Also am trying to come up with a list of what will be needed to make these complete articles. One thing I would like to know if you can help is how I can create a skeleton template for all articles i'm creating for all articles in this category? I've got my basic structure in a notepad file on my lappy, but there must be some template function i'm not yet aware of to apply this skeleton automatically for me? Additionally, if I update this skeleton i'd like to retroactivly apply it to existing pages automatically as it's updated. Any help? thewinchester 01:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * People who are much better at explaining this are the template king User:Orderinchaos78 - or if he's not  around - User:Moondyne, User:Gnangarra. User:Hesperian - they are worth meeting - all local, friendly eds (the last 3 are admins - always worth knowing for a lot of reasons) - hope that helps. SatuSuro 02:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)  BTW your signature is coming out black, not sure what you're up to there - are you using the 4 tildes ? SatuSuro 02:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Dam! sending messages on my own talk page again drat.! SatuSuro 02:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha... see his talk page. Small world indeed! Orderinchaos78 02:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nothing like belonging to a short-term intra-continental development project to cut your teeth on template stuff :) I'm trying to get my 82 articles up to my complete standard, and I'm thinking of going off and taking some photos today as it is such a nice day (BOM suggests it won't last). Orderinchaos78 02:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Some of my Yanchep-Butler photos are at the Alkimos and Eglinton articles. Sadly my Kinross one didn't work out as well as hoped so I'm thinking of retaking that today and going up Waukolup Hill (named for a certain mythical entity - the creation story is quite interesting) Orderinchaos78 02:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

DYK
Surely you jest. I've don't bother to count but I don't recall having more than five or so. Hesperian 02:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Perth/Hobart
Every city seems to be having this argument. Melbourne's gone for the "include everything" approach which has led to some weirdnesses like the towns of Koo Wee Rup and Lang Lang on the South Gippsland Highway, and the entire Mornington Peninsula, being regarded as "suburbs of Melbourne" when their situations are not really unlike Mandurah and Pinjarra, which WA has decided are not metro. Brisbane has its own tussle because people there seem to think "city" means "LGA" as their central (amalgamated) LGA is so large (contains over half of the metro population), but in any other city a contiguous suburb 15km from the CBD would be unquestionably metro. Fun and games. Orderinchaos78 02:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Belated response to this. I don't always respond when you point me at discussions, but I nearly always keep my eye on them; I like to know what's going on, but may not contribute if I've only got 2c worth to add. The heads-ups are much appreciated! Hesperian 23:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Javanese calendar
I had actually been meaning to start the article for a while, so it was nice to see it begun a bit. I have a question: Do you know what the year 0 was or why it was chosen? It seems like it must have been close to Saka era 0 (given the current year) but I couldn't find a reference to it in the external links. Rigadoun (talk) 18:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

tasmain Aboriginals
I've added to my watch list, you almost had a visitor last night but they change dinner spots from mahogany Inn at the last minute to some pizza place in mundaring, they where heading to http://www.australianwildlife.org/karakamia4.asp mumble mumble I didnt know what the place was so didnt have a camera with me mumble mumble Gnangarra 13:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

WPI on indonesian localities
No problem. Ideally a bot would go through and add the template to all our articles to avoid the manual labor. I believe there is a page where you can make requests for someone with a bot to do this sort of work. (Caniago 15:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC))
 * Not sure if Longhair does them manually or whether he has a bot - he adds most of the Australian ones. May be worth asking Orderinchaos78 00:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Dual history tag
Yeah that I am not sure of. While all the resources etc are listed at the exploration subpage, a link to that page makes sense. At some point if you want, we could seperate out the voyage expeditions (the exploration page is overly long already) and put them on a subpage of the maritime project page - then link from the exploration page to the maritime subpage. What tag to put on in that instance? Is two bad? Not sure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SauliH (talk • contribs) 15:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC).


 * ''Saulih and I are not 100% sure about having maritime/explorer article talk pages dual tagged - can you think of any issues that we might not be aware of if we do so? SatuSuro 22:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * None whatsoever. I think using dual tags is a much better idea than turf wars. Hesperian 23:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No turf war issues here. Happy to see the most logical organisation arise. At this stage dual tags make sense, and if we find a way to work it better than we could change. SatuSuro, what do you think of the subpage structure for voyages? Does it make sense to split the explorers/expeditions/voyages up? I am going to at least break the voyage expeditions out from the land into a seperate section on the page, but a subpage of the Maritime page could be the way to go? SauliH 02:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * In that instance (water/land) I think we make a judgement on what was the lead explorers main career - navigator or land explorer OR was the expedition predominately land or water. SauliH 02:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

South Perth
Gentlemen I parked up at the zoo between 10:00 and 14:00 today any requests ??? Gnangarra 23:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Second eye
Can you cast your eye at User talk:Orderinchaos78/Temp For Deletion (a reformulation of Gwelup, Western Australia) and let me know any thoughts you have on it - thanks :) (Any suggestions on improving the version on TFD is welcome)

It's all based on the Template:Australian Politics Suburb I've been working on to replace the odd manual boxes we've been seeing on some articles. Both of the above articles, btw, use the same template but in different modes. Orderinchaos78 00:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Table
Cheers! It's too bad there are no images for these old ships. One of these days we're going to have to get Gnangarra and his camera down to the old commissariat building! Hesperian 03:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikilogos
I've noticed you're very involved here, you might be interested in my proposal for Wikipedia use logo variations created by members of the wiki community to mark national and international awareness days, Remembrance Days, notable anniversaries, and observance days. Please comment on Village_pump_(proposals) and on my talk page. Thanks! frummer 03:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Nullarbor Nymph
No worries. People will do anything for publicity ... Was the page something like special:lonelypages? Or an Australian version of that somewhere. Yeah it's nice and relaxing now that school is over. Graham 87 03:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

cleanup-confusing
I get quite frustrated with people who see their role on Wikipedia as going around tagging articles for deletion/cleanup/merging/copyedit/etc. A lot of the time they don't know the first thing about the subject matter. (I'm not saying that has happened in this case.) I gave it a light copyedit and removed the copyedit tag. I haven't removed the cleanup-confusing tag, as I haven't time at the moment to tackle the article any further. Hesperian 06:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Photo wish list
Hi I created this to keep me occupied instead of just reading books while I wait please add anything you want to the list Gnangarra 13:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)