User talk:JarrahTree/Archive 29

Kings Park
Hmmm. I see Gn and you warned him yesterday. I gave him 1 more chance then off with his head! &mdash;Moondyne 02:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps that it. &mdash;Moondyne 02:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hills related
Hey, apart from GE/GN Highway, Roe Highway, Toodyay Road and Kalamunda Road, we actually have no street or road articles covering the Hills region of Perth. Do you know of any that would be notable or could be made into interesting historical articles at some later point? (I'm thinking key streets in Guildford or Midland as well as regional roads) I'm only looking to make a list at this stage. Orderinchaos78 04:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha and was just reading the Bonk (condition) article too :) I'll add Mundaring Weir Road to our list to cover today (I'll probably do that one myself, loaded enough onto poor Daniel :)). Orderinchaos78 04:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * As a complete aside - Garden Island Highway is crazy. Daniel pointed out that the current edition Streetsmart (Map 579 D8-E9) appears to suggest that it is an 1.5km long cul-de-sac and is marked as a minor residential road. I'm going to have a look next time I'm down there. Orderinchaos78 04:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Maps oftentimes (hey I saw someone edit that out of an art this am - I thinks its nw states usage common) get it wrong. I had the misfortune once to know a map checker who was employed to out the rubbish from 'checking' - about him offline only SatuSuro 04:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that :) I'll do a few of those as stubs - btw was Old Northam Road a former alignment of the GE Highway or something? Orderinchaos78 04:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Re ISBN that's cool :) It was just the cite tag was unclosed so it was baring its intestines to the world at large. :) Orderinchaos78 04:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Whoops
lol - that is the first time i used speedy deletion. Strictly speaking it was perfectly legitimate use of the process - ie, no refs. I didn't actually think speedy would last - next time i will use prods again. The creator's red user page didn't help my opinion of the article. Merbabu 07:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Australia-Indonesia Relations
Re this article, i had no idea it existed. It is actually something that Imoeng and I talked about creating. we were going to start with mentioning ABoriginal contact 1000s of years ago, thru to Australia wharfies and Indonesian independence, Paul Keating and his security pact, thru to Schapelle Corby and Bali bombings. and others. Merbabu 09:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

AWB editor
I just came back but he seems to have stopped now. I left a notice anyway. &mdash;Moondyne 09:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You could always press the "hide minor edits" button for a day or so I suppose. Lets see. &mdash;Moondyne 10:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't! &mdash;Moondyne 10:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note on this. You're dead right - major error of judgment.HeartofaDog 13:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Bartlett
I have no idea. &mdash;Moondyne 13:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Bobby is definately a character and been around various blocks, wouldnt be suprised to see him pop up in as a candidate in the near future, worth an article? If theres enough Bio info available Gnangarra 13:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Re: Bob. I cannot stand the man.  There goes my NPOV stance if it ever gets up.   Are we not starting to scrape the barrel? &mdash;Moondyne 13:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You dont have to like him, is he notable enough now that he's not on air to warrant an article? Gnangarra 13:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Part of the radio issue is the sheer intense dislike between some of the radio guys themselves as well - I knew a newsreader at the abc who couldnt stand to even hear the names of some of the 6wf people - but the interesting thing is the people who used to work for 6IX on the esplanade in the 60's - are some of the long timers - I wont mention names here -until I can find reasonable refs. But the point by moondyne is a very valid one - some of the announcers of the past really inflame intense passion - as for notability - perhaps a good article on the history of radionin wa would bring up about 10 to 20 announcers/personalities since the start who would be worthy of arts - and amongst them would be some very mixed bunches -  I can think of a whole range who are not notable for good reason... but the story is a mix of my failing memory and lack of a good outside source that has good chronology and adequate spread over the decades - SatuSuro 14:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Henrietta has a result - Tried: (history and radio and western and australia) 139 results found. Sorted by Title - will pursue the list - some look great! SatuSuro 14:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I we should wait until these people create their own pages. Fred

Lists
I'm on it. Am about to create Category:Western Australia-related lists. Hesperian 02:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Snap! I was about to write the same exact thing to you. :P I see my talk page notice on the postcodes one went unanswered :( Oddly enough I've even got a foundation list of postcodes in WA and how they developed. In many cases they closely track gazettal of the suburbs - for instance, Carine and Stirling both first made their appearance in 1975, while the Hamersley Development Scheme suburbs all appeared first in 1971. Orderinchaos78 03:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:MOSDAB
I wholeheartedly agree. Imposing structure is a good thing. Keeping the high priority stuff at the top is a good thing too. But so is keeping the page reasonably clean and free of clutter! Hesperian 04:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

FoAaCI
It's all good. Hesperian 04:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

AWB Debacle
Thankyou for your patience, I've just come back then. Please allow me time to explain, and answer your questions. Dfrg.msc 1. 2 . Editor Review 04:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Response
Right. So:
 * Moondyne's away till the 20th.
 * I've been warned by SatuSuro, but is around. Will inform of response immediately.
 * HeartofaDog seconds that warning and looks to be around. Will inform of response immediately.

Trigger happy. Do you remember that HeartofaDog? Or is just a coincidence? Ah, well no matter. What is the matter, it seems, is my use of the tool: Auto Wiki Browser. First let me apologize to my lateness in response. I assure you, I do not run from confrontations and this is necessary to be resolved.

SatuSuro, what you need to do to and where you need to go to have an argument about this is to come on to my talk page, which you have done. Perhaps it was not still going, just running faster than your list could be updated. The machine is not to blame, I am. However, I would never choose disrupt and annoy. I only seek to edit for improvement.


 * Moondyne, I thank you for your good faith. I will never again use AWB for solely minor edits such as moving stub notices and removing blank lines.
 * HeartofaDog's Spades trump my Clubs. I thank HeartofaDog for inforiming me of the large spread of my actions.
 * AWB is an excellent tool, and I will use it responsibly and usefully.
 * I will impose upon myself a: one month ban and two month probationary period for the use of AWB.

Thankyou for your time, patience and concern. If there is any more that must be said or done, show no hesitations in contacting me. Regards, Dfrg.msc 1. 2 . Editor Review 05:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your understanding. I'll stay away from those Indonesian geography stubs. I only used.... that word, in response to Doomsday, but yeah, I'll cut back on the ol' profanity. I have been doing some work with articles recently, could you have a look through? Particularly at Rone, which I've been working quite a lot on, if your not too busy.

So far: Anything you could recommend or contribute would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Dfrg.msc 1. 2 . Editor Review 07:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Civilian
 * Dlux
 * Meek
 * Pslam
 * Sixten
 * Prism
 * Sync
 * Optic
 * Phibs
 * Ha-Ha
 * Vexta

Hey, thanks!
Thanks mate. I'll follow your advise closely. SatuSuro, your advice to me is invaluable. At least something good came out of the whole AWB thing.

Also, I want to include some pictures in the article. So: they would have to be scans or form the internet as I don't live in Melbourne. Taken by another person, the image would be free, as it is stenciled to a wall. What image license would the image be under? Cheers, Dfrg.msc 1. 2 . Editor Review 22:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok. Thanks again for your time and concern. Cheers, Dfrg.msc 1 . 2 . Editor Review 05:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Strive
SatuSuro, for Striving to be a positive force on Wikipedia and going above and beyond to help me - I award you the Strive banner. Wear it with pride. Cheers, Dfrg.msc 1. 2 . Editor Review 00:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:careful
Thanks for your reminder. However, I have been read the WP:Civility and WP:Etiquette thoroughly once after joined. All my works and responses are included verifiable supporting. It is better to remind your friend’s Comment "this isnt a cleanup article its a spam article used to advertise a tourist company. Gnangarra 12:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)" without any evidence. I certainly understand that “nothing we do on wikipedia is ours”. So, as an administrator, should not abuse of authority. I would very welcome criticism if it was treated as cleanups article rather than AfD from the beginning.--Alfeewusy 06:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please note that all other languages Wikipedia are based on English Wikipedia. So, the deletion policy and criteria are same. However, nothing was happened in the Chinese version! Isn’t it related to abuse of Authority?--Alfeewusy 10:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I have responded to these comments on User_talk:Alfeewusy if you have an questions then leave a message on my talk page, Gnangarra 14:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Island template
I think this is possible, but it needs one more field which isn't in there yet (Caniago 10:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC))
 * Island template is now used on the Maluku Archipelago. Re: Balikpapan, I think its like most almost all our city articles - it needs alot of work. (Caniago 07:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC))

Attention seeking behaviour
I admit I was trying to catch your attention. Great job with the lists. Do these suffer the attentions of deletionists? They are great for some of the individually minor, but notable, elements of WA. I think you do such a great job watching, editing and commenting, the work of several men, and that is just at WP:WA.

Will raise a glass with you soon. Fred 12:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Safe as milk
The other state project has a problem that got worse. Huh! sorry, no problem, time to log off! Fred

e 2 u Fred 14:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

London court
I think I might have enough info to do an art - thanks for the photo offer SatuSuro 13:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll look them out - get them onto commons with a cat and get the link to you. Is there a buildings in Perth category there do you know? SeanMack 13:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There wasn't a category but, after a mishap I created one - the pics are available here:
 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Buildings_in_Perth%2C_Australia
 * CheersSeanMack 15:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

interesting topics
If you are interested in picking up another topic to watch, Ranger Uranium Mine and Uranium mining controversy in Kakadu National Park seem to be getting some attention at the moment. I'm not sure if that's within your expertise or not. I know little beyond what I read, but I find quite different information in the references provided by another editor. --Scott Davis Talk 14:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:
Yeah that vandal seems to have a big problem forgiving and forgetting (he still hates me from giving a warning in October last year?!) Thanks for keeping an eye out. Graham 87 04:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's hard to do much with someone who's not logged on. There's usually a reason for userpage vandalism - I remember getting this (among others) from out of the blue; I couldn't figure out why until I got this message. As for archiving, yeah I'll archive most of it - I didn't realise it had grown to 56k. Yeah the new year is going well - I am now in the technology course I want to be in so that is good. Graham 87 06:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool thanks - I hate government websites which change addresses - they could at least have the decency to leave site redirects! Graham 87 15:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

DYK
Can you see anything in Beach Road, Perth that would lend itself to a DYK? Orderinchaos78 04:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Tis cool - I've still got to get a couple of photos of it, and probably fill it out a little more. Orderinchaos78 05:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Austriliean
I couldnt locate any articles for either the Australian Heritage Council or the Australian Heritage Commission. I'm sure they're needed. I'm certain they'd compliment the other heritage related articles we already have. -- Longhair\talk 05:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've got the ip under watch. Cheers. -- Longhair\talk 05:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It may be the heat here, or my fried brain, or a combination of the two ;) Email me with exact articles and I'll be happy to act where I can. I spent a good 5 minutes working out which Eureka article was the problem ;) Be sure to let me know you've sent me mail though so I can dig through the nonsense to find your message... -- Longhair\talk 06:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I despise linkspammers with a passion mate. Send em on ;) Reverted those two. -- Longhair\talk 08:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You're right - I've reverted every change they've made. :) -- Longhair\talk 09:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Final warning delivered. My next button is the big red one ;) -- Longhair\talk 09:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * .......................and blocked... -- Longhair\talk 10:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks like Gnangarra is already onto them. They've been blocked for 1 month at that ip. -- Longhair\talk 23:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Response
Hi I have warned - can't do anything til warned and reoffends after warning ... Regards (really still on a wikibreak) --Golden Wattle talk 05:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Whale Spammer
Hi, yup - we can but wait and see if he/ she continues - I have half an eye on the whale related pages so no worries ;) SammytheSeal 08:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Balikpapan
Yah, saya lihat artikelnya kok memalukan sekali ya. ;-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 11:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's okay. We have limited resources, compared to hundreds of WP:AUS contributors. Satu per satu bisa menjadi bukit. :-) &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 11:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

My new articles
Yeah, I've noticed that. Every time I edit an article some wikifairy comes along and tags the talk page into WP Australia! Just so long as you don't actually read the articles; that last one was a disaster! I live for the day when the whole world understands the difference between the South West region of Western Australia, Southwest Australia, the Southwest corner of Western Australia and the South West Botanical Province. :-( Hesperian 12:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Uh-oh, some of these haven't been tagged into the project yet.... Hesperian 12:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

AWB
Primarily using its find feature, and doing many of the changes manually. :) Orderinchaos78 14:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm just dealing with recalcitrant government departments who change their web addresses every 6 months. dola -> dli -> landgate, and Transperth have relocated their PDF timetables. I saw MWR earlier - good work! Orderinchaos78 14:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes most of Perth needs a makeover. :| Hence my to do list Orderinchaos78 14:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh take a look at Warrandyte Reserve, Western Australia (map is here) and Craigie Dunes - amazing what AWB picks up! Saw those churning through and thought "hold on... wha?!" :| Orderinchaos78 14:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I think I'll speedy Craigie Dunes (the first line gives it away tbh) and I've already whacked a merge notice on WR. Orderinchaos78 14:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Indonesian stuff
Hello. No problem :), I just love geography and try to somehow "manage" many areas throughout the world. Here are some points regarding Indonesian stuff. Take care and thank you for your nice work and all these tagging. - Darwinek 14:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Redirects, redirects, redirects. I think most people would look for "XY", instead of "Mount XY" or "Gunung XY", so I recommend all articles should be easily found. It also avoids future creation of same article under other name and subsequent problems with merger etc.
 * 2) Do you know Indonesian language? Are you Indonesian? I am asking because it would be nice to add some meanings of geographical features, like "Gunung XY, literally 'ghost mountain'" etc.
 * 3) Also some cleanup and maintenance tasks should be undertaken. Especially with Indonesian naming to avoid articles named in "Mount Gunung XY" way. I think all mountains are OK now but I don't know if it is consistent with rivers etc.

Historicity of reactionaryism to revolutionary inevitability in school lunch rooms.
I always told people who probed my political stance that I was a Marxist, "I would not join any club that would have me as a member". I would air my real position, but I believe that Costello (not the [intentional] comedian) renewed its illegality in a speech recently. Regards Fred 15:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and a request
Always glad to get support for new articles. Not sure if we need any on Sid Rumpo, Bakery, or Redhouse Roll Band for that matter. Rick Steele maybe, because of his kids :-)

By the way, speaking of Aussie music matters, would you like to give a third opinion on the debate I'm having at Talk:ARIA Charts? I will understand if you don't want to get involved. Cheers, Grant65 | Talk 15:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Kelud/Kelut
I think the names should redirecct (from Mount X, Gunung X, and just plain X), but they should be mentioned in the first sentence only if X is not the same (like Kelud and Kelut). I don't know that they need to say "Mount X (Indonesian:Gunung X)", although I certainly wouldn't remove it from those that have it. Darwinek does a lot of great work all around the world, as far as I can tell. Rigadoun (talk) 23:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry to butt in. I did create all those stub mount articles. The reason of using Mount X, instead of plain X, is to avoid disambiguities. There are a lot of name of mountains that are simply common names, for instance, Mount Ibu, Mount Patah, Mount Lurus. Thus, to have consistency, let's use Mount. It is also the same case in other places, for example, Mount St. Helens, instead of St. Helens. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 13:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Indon. There need to be redirects from the X and Gunung X articles to Mount X though. Regarding the need for the following text in every article "Mount X (Indonesian:Gunung X)", this is necessary to allow people using search engines (eg. Google) who are searching for the Indonesian term Gunung X to be able to find it. There are also variations of the Gunung word used for mountain, such as Bulu in Sulawesi, so it is necessary to provide the translation so people know what to call it in Indonesian. (Caniago 13:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC))

Hey
No problem. :) --WoohookittyWoohoo! 11:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Assessments
I quit already; onto other stuff; watch this space. You'll hate it. ;-) Hesperian 11:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Road boxes
what sort of problem? Orderinchaos78 12:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * More mail :) Orderinchaos78 13:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Interesting thing I discovered today so I thought I'd share... We both have talk page as sig but it shows up as simply bold text when we post on our own ... posting User:Orderinchaos78 (note the extra tilde) is one of many ways of getting around this. Orderinchaos78 22:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Your offer
I added a notice to my talk page and suggested that you are available for general queries and referred admin q to WP:AN thanks. Gnangarra 14:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Trains DYK items
Just a quick note... I've gone through the quick list you left on my talk page (now archived) for portal DYK items and added a few to the suggestions page so they can get rotated into the portal as appropriate. If there are others you'd like to see on the portal, check the guidelines on the suggestions page and add them to the list. Slambo (Speak) 19:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Just saying hi ...
Hi SatuSuro ... you may want to skim this thread (especially my post) since I make reference to your and my previous correspondence. Hope you're well, Keesiewonder 23:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC) P.S. This too. Thanks, Keesiewonder 01:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

As long as there is no sign of the isbn number under any circumstances - I would prefer a link back to the article about whitham SatuSuro 09:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Per your note

I just updated the/our/a citation solution with a link to Whitham ... Keesiewonder 09:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I just moved your note to my current talk from an archive page of mine. I guess maybe my archiving style is confusing or I archived this conversation too soon. No worries, though! :-) Keesiewonder 12:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The "M" word
His SatuSuro - I'll have a look, buyt yuou might want to contact someone else as well as back-up. I'm not sure how much time I'll get on the computer in the next few days (my sister-in-law is due to give birth very soon, and I'm likely to be on emergency babysitting duty for her other two kids any time). Grutness...wha?  23:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Maritime history
I was looking at it from the point of view of the List of basic history topics, which didn't have a History of transport article to link to, until I moved and hacked a pre-existing list. It seemed consistent with the other articles linked to divide the history of the subsidiary articles on the same basis. I haven't moved aviation history and I'll move back maritime history, because I don't particularly care. The main issue is how crappy the maritime history and History of road transport articles are compared to the aviation history or History of rail transport articles.--Grahamec 02:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Tags
One day (yet to come), hopefully I'll be able to revisit those articles and help finish them off ;) -- Longhair\talk 03:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure. Send me off to the relevant CfD discussions, or categories and I'll see if I can muster any useful input. What's your position on the categories? Do you want them kept or deleted? -- Longhair\talk 03:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletionism
I haven't started the categories yet. Maybe later today or tomorrow. Please see the bottom of Talk:Malays_%28ethnic_group%29 for a few AfDs you can vote on (Caniago 03:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC))


 * I'll wait until the CfD is listed at Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 19 before I'll have any input. They look to be a prime candidate for outright deletion though. -- Longhair\talk 06:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The following AfDs and a CFD need your input- here, here, here and Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_January_19. (Caniago 07:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC))


 * Your point taken. I'm watching from afar :) -- Longhair\talk 08:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * At times I think there's possibly a pest for every topic. Wikipedia is like flypaper for freaks some days ;) -- Longhair\talk 08:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Ornithology stubs
Thanks for grabbing my attention, I wasn't watching his talk page. Go there for my reply.Garrie 03:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Red bull AR
I think the air races on the swan river would be rather significant, where as the ones above Perth Water already have an article and only need just a mention in Sport in WA Gnangarra 08:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Penguins
Its okay, whenever. Im sure Gnangarra has some lying around :P. I am targeting Parks and Reserves over the next few weeks, so be prepared to see me around a lot! --Ali K 10:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC) Will check now. Fred
 * I dont believe *you* are Gnangarra... I'm only joking! Thanks Fred. --Ali K 10:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

All is explained at Freds talk page :) SatuSuro 12:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Now that is a bold claim! Fred
 * What, that it's explained or that it's at Fred's talk page? :) Email btw Orderinchaos78 13:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What's the goss re rds? (and why does this title remind me of "Penguins in the Desert" (Leitmotif) by Dredg? :)) Orderinchaos78 15:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, THOSE roads. My head was still in a different dimension on those. I think the decision reached is the best one (and we now have 42 extra stubs to play with, between my time being taken up elsewhere (see email) and Daniel's offline issues the rate slowed dramatically mid-week) Orderinchaos78 15:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had fun with it earlier tonight fixing Harvey-Waroona ones, which are probably on no-one's watchlist but mine. Makes routine repetitive changes very easy indeed, but you have to watch the damn thing like a hawk - it wanted to mangle a paragraph in the Harvey article and I had to paste it back in from the original in another window to thwart it :) Orderinchaos78 15:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Indonesian Music and blocked user
Hi. The IP was given test3 and test4 warnings here (13:51 UTC 17 January) and here (13:57 UTC 17 January) respectively. Vandalism recurred almost immediately] (14:07 UTC 17 January). The user was not blocked at this time. The edits to Music of Indonesia were made on 18 January at 11:05 and 11:09 UTC. The user was blocked, following those edits and a good deal of vandalism to Boer War at 11:46 UTC on 18th January. The unsigned test4 warning added to the user's talkpage at 11:46 was redundant; since the times don't resolve down to seconds I can't tell if that was added shortly before or shortly after the user was blocked. Is that OK? Regards, Tonywalton | Talk 13:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'd suggest reporting vandals on WP:AIV if appropriate, unless you happen to be 100% sure that an admin is a) online and b) not away from the keyboard as they're in the kitchen making themselves some toast, or something. A lot of admins keep an eye on WP:AIV; we're not all likely to be making a bit of toast at the same time! Regards, Tonywalton  | Talk 13:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry to take so long to get back to you, No, I wasn't making toast, I was reporting one of 81.109.164.2's edits to WP:OVERSIGHT as it contained an address and phone number. Yes, I see what you mean, however they've had a warning and haven't edited since. The problem with IP addresses is that for all anyone knows the person using that address may not be using it any more and a perfectly innocent person might be allocated it by their ISP next, so it's not necessarily a good idea to block an IP when they appear to have stopped editing. Any more vandalism from that address and it should be blocked!  If you see any, best to report it on WP:AIV as I'm likely to be going out soon to buy essential supplies! Regards, Tonywalton  | Talk 14:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

A little
HELP! R u around? Fred 16:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I wanted some guidance re amalas editing WP:WA page itself. A 20yo with a blunderbus - AWB. I reverted it. Thanks anyway.  Fred 01:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * it was late and coud wait, a bit annoyed at international bright young thing.


 * Code or cypher, gryptype. ... Moriaty.
 * (as sock puppet Fred 01:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC))
 * Not to mention the lists. I had better alert my new friend that such travesties exist beyond our cultural backwaters. Fred 02:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Re. transvestites. In Fr. is catastrophe. Fred

whales & stuff
Hi again,

Humpbacks? Dolphins? There´some seriously good whale shark trips out from Ningaloo ( a bit more north;) )- also worth a visit ;) Will fill out my user page eventually - been meaning to get onto it for ages - you know how it goes .. SammytheSeal 01:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Welcome
to the wikiproject for wester ... oh its you! Care for a baboon? President Fred Hoping Minnie Bannister will find it and have a conniption. I can't see a solution to all the kitty -s and lists would be problem. A fiendish scheme, eh Thynne! Fred
 * I asked for another opinion for your power house, I wonder if name worked in favour during nomination for 100 most powerful - Fred-T.F.

malays
I actually have no interest in developing this article - my only interest was correcting the falsehoods (which happened to be most of the article). lol Merbabu 07:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Archive
Alot of stuff left after you've archived, anyhow heres some more. Anything that needs to be looked at ? Gnangarra 07:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC) I'll email - cannot stand to pollute your talk page... SatuSuro 07:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC) yeah it looks so quiet over there, Gnangarra 08:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Yep
No worries. Just risking my life and limb by drastically editing the Aquinas article. I've already hacked SmartRider to pieces, risking the ire of railfans all over the metro. :) I'll be at a function tonight but can look at it tomorrow - feel free to send any details. Orderinchaos78 09:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh!
Yes, I think I saw that somewhere. Frednotthatnew

Anyone can edit
I think I put it there. No one supported it. I removed it. I didn't like the militaristic term, anyway. Now you want me to discuss things?! Fred 11:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Back
Aye, an awkward moment - I was going to say hello too! One of the first things I do on a return is to scan your talk page as it seems to be the centre of gravity for most things in my WP experience and itgives me a quick heads for the latest froth and bubble.

Rotto was good and I'm all primed up for a comprehensive featured article on each of the 16 wrecks to add to WP:AMH. Well, we'll see. &mdash;Moondyne 11:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Rotto on Australia Day - you're game! &mdash;Moondyne 11:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Tearooms sure have changed from boyhood memories. I spent $160 there last night for a very ordinary meal for five - RIP-OFF! You can't put a price on the view though - absolutely incredible.  We try to go every 2 or 3 years but it seems to be getting harder and more expensive to get in.  I went into the July ballot. &mdash;Moondyne 12:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Pigeon post
You've got mail! (Caniago 13:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC))

WPI cartography
I need your favor. I've put Advanced Usage in the WPI:Cartography with two cities on a map, but in my browser, I can't see the red dots, but it's there (I can hover my mouse and see the red dot image file). Can you see them? Thanks. &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 13:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

WP Tas
I was thinking that the last couple of days as well. I guess people are busy/away over summer. Once the format of the page is sorted we could then post on all the talk pages of everyone in Category:Wikipedians in Tasmania to get some more support. -- Chuq 22:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

No worries :)
Will keep an eye out. In the meantime, have a look at my most recent edits. The need for them to be updated every three months is, I think, a factor we should raise at the Perth Wikiproject as to whether we should even have them at all. Orderinchaos78 01:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Margret RoadKnight
Hi SatuSuro

Nice to hear from you on a topic so close to my heart!

FYI -- without name-dropping unnecessarily, I know Margret, have met her on many occasions and had the honour of roadie-ing for her and Ellen on their joint tour of Oz (dream come true, or what???!!), so I can assure that her name is spelled Margret (only one "a") RoadKnight (Kapital "K" in the middle). Cheers! I hope to do a page on her as soon as I get web access at my home again (been without 2 years + and can't wait to get it back!)

Dunks 07:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Dr Christopher Heathcote
Hi SatuSoro, I finally got Dr Christopher's book and checked out his links to Cultural Cringe, Sidney Nolan and many other art-related articles. I was quite surprised at the extent of his self-promotion, I hadn't looked at his contributions list and realised just how much he plugged himself. I checked his book and I don't think it is sufficiently relevant to any of the articles, so I removed references to his books from 27 articles and posted a spam notice on his talk page. I will keep an eye out and try and make sure he behaves. Phaedrus86 04:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

MHHS
The contact details in that article push the article towards reading like an advert. Best to leave them out and all spam issues move to the side :) Have you got a link to that local story on Wikipedia that made your innards crawl? -- Longhair\talk 11:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no rush. Enjoy your holiday. I'm off myself next week back home to see some family, and will be missing for a few days or more shortly. The rain has given us a break here finally. Boy did we get washed out. -- Longhair\talk 11:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that, I was just trying to get all the ones from the ISBN list from an Australian perspective and found most, but strangely neither NLA nor State Library TAS had an ISBN for it. I don't think it's absolutely essential to have one anyway. Orderinchaos78 13:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikibreak
I hope the holiday is going well. Can't keep away completely I see ;) (I know the feeling!) &mdash;Moondyne 13:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Various responses

 * 'Who', mostly harmless?
 * So, are you going to put them in alphabetical order?
 * Do you think my edit makes it any simpler for novices?
 * What are you doing here, I thought you were on holiday :]   Fred 12:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * ...and back. Fred


 * Re: Access all ages?

How about I redirect it to User talk:SatuSuro/Boot Camp.

Screenshot
As in a screen capture? I'm a bit confused :) Orderinchaos78 12:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should start an IRC channel on freenode. Orderinchaos78 13:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Mount Murchison
Fixed. SatuSuro 14:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC) If for any reason you really want to venture into those articles - please apply the same as has been put there - thank you SatuSuro 14:23, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Is that some sort of "direct order"? Give it a rest. It has taken you weeks to make a few simple corrections. Meanwhile I and others like me have made 100's of corrections to the isbn conversion process. You seem to have a basic problem in accepting the fact that if a page has a reference book cited and if an isbn is used, it is either correct or no isbn should be used. Any other reference source you care to attach to a reference book is yours to change. Just do not use and invalid isbn. Please don't bother me on this subject any further. Ekotkie 18:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The current version of Mount Murchison (Tasmania) looks good. I hope that people have not mortally offended one another in the process of getting there :-). EdJohnston 20:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

SatuSuro, I'm sorry this has been a less than pleasant experience for you. You and I came up with a good solution over 3 weeks ago; I do not understand why when Whitham was encountered when cleaning up ISBNs, we all didn't just use the solution I advertised as being acceptable. This evening I will update any articles I can find that do not yet use the preferred solution. We now have a way to list an Invalid ISBN w/o triggering SmackBot, but, we'll save that enhancement for the Tasmania related pages for another day. Keesiewonder talk 22:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it probably won't surprise you then that he and I don't seem to get along either ... ;-) ... Anyway, I fixed all the Whithams I could find. (Did it 'cause I wanted to ... sick of the quibble, etc. Plus it's nice to help someone else out.) I also removed some instances of bold font that seemed un-necessary here and there to me ... if you disagree, just put it back the way you like. I certainly don't feel strongly about it. I also tidied up a couple external links. Hope this helps. Stay in touch, and say hi to your land for me! The purple heart barnstar is for the Martin Luther mess I sustained. Keesiewonder talk 23:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * My opinions about Ekotkie can be found on Ed Johnsons, and Keesiwonders talk pages - SatuSuro 01:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And I would like to thank the editor Ekotkie for in fact seeing the west coast stubs defended by such elaborate referencing that they are now well insured against rogue Afd crazies - thank you SatuSuro 03:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * FYI 1. FYI 2. Keesiewonder talk 20:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey SatuSuro! You should at least be at par, or slightly above, after having met EdK and me! I've complimented you several times, all in sincerity. I think if possible, we're just going to need to let this particular event drift in to the past. Please let me know if you think I can help you with anything in the future. :-) Keesiewonder talk 00:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * See ... you're kinder than me! I cannot say that I see him as admin potential. Good Night! Keesiewonder talk 01:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Wesfarmers
Thanks for the cleanup - when I came acrosss it it looked like another company website derived pr piece with as about much understanding of the history as some of our 11 year old (!) editors's understanding of history....SatuSuro 02:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. Och I didn't do too much - I've recently obtained the 2007 Book of Lists for WA and am going to use it to add some nice referenced statements in a few articles. If I get enough time I will try to add a bit to the economy section of the WA article too. Cheers. SeanMack 02:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Gut feeling
You are so quick. I hope he reads that my advice of revert was only minutes later. I should stop being surprised to see you. :0 Cheers Fred
 * Again. Pls, pdh? Fred 04:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC) Ta.Fred
 * left response and had thought. As known in english over rules all else. Other names would have to be within main, not lead. Is this arrogant? Fred 04:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * my bloody opera (browser) just got melodramatic. I had the perfect response but the moment is gone. Along with all my tabbed windows. Are we watching out for ozy-oi edits today. Have there been probs in the past.

Fred 08:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried to wa=yep at Batavia but it is protected or something? Have you read the Dash book? Fred 10:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Australia
Yeah your right. i hadn't read those entries. Just responding to the people writing there. Have you been privy to these discussions? As i just noticed that on the Australia (country) page it says NZ is part of the Australian continent, but on the Australia (Continent) page it says it is not.Guavafruit 03:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah i read those two bottom ones. I didn't read the indo-australian plate one. I don't mean to get on your case about it but it's nice to pick someones brain about it and i fail to see how defining a continent by the plate it sits on is right. i mean it is the INDO-Australian plate!? The plates cut through continents. As far as i can see a continent is literally a continuous land mass. Oxford dictionary defines it as that. Also check this link http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001745.html. Yeah, it's prob not authoritative enough. but i think these people are all confused. As far as i can see even islands like Tasmania, UK, Jamaca etc are not actually part of any continent. They are islands, and continents are continents. It really depends on if one is talking politically or geographically if you are willing to divide Europe and Asia or Nth and Sth America. but the fact remains that definitionally a continent is a continuous land mass. No?Guavafruit 04:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Thanks SatuSuro. I think i'll just stay out of the argument. To much history there to get involved now. I do think that on the Australia (country) page it should be changed to exclude NZ (As part of continent australia), as this seems to be the consensus on the other page. I'm pretty new to all this anyway. not used to the language and dashes and dots necessary to put in. Getting there though. Tell me more about ths NZ project thingy what's that entail. Thanks again.Guavafruit 04:21, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Clans userbox
Done. Now all you have to do is fix the colours and if necessary image so they're appropriate to the project (I did it the cheap way by copying Wikiproject Perth and just pasting in a Scottish flag SVG) BTW what was needed for maritime project - pretty much the same thing? Orderinchaos78 11:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Bottom of page!
WA=yessiree @ Batavia pls. Fredadrift
 * yes thanks. Should be an email soon. No worries, we are both forward observers. There is bound to be some confusion. regards Fred
 * re. clanishness, "but I'm hopelessly lost. Hopefully someone else will come along and fix it up?? petedavo 08:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)" is justification enough. I am all bones so don't... well you know that rule :|  Fred

Batavia
No worries! How was Rotto? &mdash;Moondyne 12:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It was Bunbury and a very very quick trip to just short of Cape Leeuwin - I now have digital images for St Allouarn Islands/Cape Leeuwin Islands - at Bunb ury a huge number of town shots from the hills - and a whole range of the old harbour and the new harbour and the lechenault cut taken from the boat -  from the swimming with the dolphins cruise in koombana bay (it was so nice and cold in the water even with wetsuits on)  as well as a whole lot of rushed shots of parts of the bunbury to augusta highway - as well as the  flinders bay railway station site where I copied the whole of the historical society display about flinders bay jetty and In the deli/cafe on the wall there is, wait for it - a photo of me at about 1 year old in a pram in front of the post office bei ng pushed by the post mistress of 1952 - but thats a longer off wiki story....  go on which number is your DYK?  SatuSuro 12:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think we could weave an article around the baby photo - pre-1955 makes it public domain: we're half way there!  DYK: Not tellin' &mdash;Moondyne 12:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What is the Lechenault cut? I wasn't aware of that.  Presumably somewhere opposite Australind.  Why wasn't I told! &mdash;Moondyne 12:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC) Penny dropped - I was thinking of something new further north in the Leschenault inlet. &mdash;Moondyne 13:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I really have to do something with my Bunbury photos... I got shots of the new walkway between Usher and Dalyellup, quite a few up at Australind and Leschenault (including the ones presently on the Leschenault article) and a couple from the Bunbury Tower (which strangely doesn't overlook Bunbury but I got a good shot of the inlet, mine and Marlston Hill from it)... That was also the time I got the Harvey shots to spice up that article. Unfortunately it was very dull that day, I might have to go back on a sunny cool day and retake them! Orderinchaos78 13:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

To much like work
In fact - the more I look at all of this - if you stay around (dont pack your bags)- and if you actually get the way wikipedia works sufficiently worked out in your thinking - (yeah I know parts look really crazy or irritating) I wouldnt be suprised to see you end up an admin down the line - it looks like you have the tenacity to be a damned fine editor ! Best of luck with that! SatuSuro 00:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Absolutely, No thanks. That would be akin to going back to work and the pay here isn't all that special. Wiki will just have to remain as a "Work in Progress". Ekotkie 03:17, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Biblio...
No offense taken. I've barely begun looking at those articles and making a few very minor changes. (I have no ego invested in them.) There certainly is much that can be done to improve them! :) Aleta 04:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's impossible to do all that we want, and can be hard to do even the things we want to put at a high priority... Your edit wasvabout the ISBNs sounds really unpleasant - but when you want something right(and those are a clear matter of correct and incorrect), you want it right!  On an unrelated note, your photo from Sarah Island is beautiful! Aleta 05:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

"Once bitten, twice shy"? I think I understand what you're saying, and I hope I made it clear on the article talk page that I'm not intending to exclude any legimate infomation! In fact, if I see some other wikiproject that also seems relevant, I'll add that, too. Aleta 05:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hi
Looking at it now. Luna Santin 05:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * HEY GESS WHAT?! SCREW YOU. DON'T THREATEN ME. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean mc sean (talk • contribs)
 * SatuSuro, I'd say that's the final straw. One for Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents? Merbabu 06:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Already blocked for 31 hours. Luna Santin 06:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Round Earth
no problem, i would go through it more, it's really interesting, but i'm feeling kind of ADD right now, and can't really concentrate on any one article for more than a couple seconds. maybe i'll try to clean it up later. i'm also nervous about "fixing" things that might just be australian english standards. cheers! Murderbike 07:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

hey, i calmed myself down and went through the whole article. it's definitely not perfect, but i did what i could real quick. two questions, what's a "two hander" and an "add point"? stupid american media never teaches me foreign terminology. Murderbike 07:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

yeah, if you remember, send it my way. i'll be mostly offline for all of february and most of march, but if i don't get it before that, i'll see if it's still a mess when i get back into it. cheers! Murderbike 19:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * the old theatre companies are going to be difficult on internet, but i'll have a look sometime. just spent ages subcatting oz authors, must do something else... hope u had a good w/end. ben &rArr; bsnowball  14:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Images
Sounds like a great idea. I started a page at WP:AMH/Images. I gotta go out now too. Will look at Southern Ocean on return. Cheers &mdash;Moondyne 11:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Nymphs
Yeah I found out about that when I was researching the Eucla article :) I am not liking this heat, if you look at my contribs history today much of it is off with the fairies. Orderinchaos78 14:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Borobudur, kopassus and other things from my talk page
SatuSuro, my friend, you don't have to apology. Of course, I like if somebody post a message in my talk page. I just had to go immediately, after my conversation with Merbabu and left you and him talking in my talk page without my presence. I'll take a look at the kopassus page and the user you have mentioned. Thanks for your compliment about borobudur. Hope I can pass FA this quarter. I am still drawing detailed map (you'll be gawd at it :-), and draw ground plan and borobudur cross-section diagram. Ah, you have wait for that. ;-) In the meantime, I can put the page in the peer review and on GA nomination page (GA process can take 1 month). &mdash; Indon ( reply ) &mdash; 17:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

History portal and longevity
It's a pleasure to meet you, SatuSuro. I agree that the History portal should be protected; it seems to be drawing vandals like flies.

Now that you mention it, I guess I have been around awhile! Fortunately, I haven't had to confront difficult personalities directly, perhaps because I'm usually in the shadows, disambiguating or making small additions or adjustments to articles about which most people don't have strong feelings. My closest approach to trouble came while I was trying to sort out the various references to "Macedonia." A number of editors were railing at each other and changing the disambiguation page back and forth to reflect their differing national/political views. Because they couldn't have cared less which "Macedonia" was being referred to in articles, I managed to stay out of the line of fire.

It was unusual for me to be looking at recent changes and reverting vandalism; last night, for some reason, I found myself doing it. Never get discouraged! The good people like yourself outnumber the rest.

-- Flauto Dolce 22:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of haunted locations Your input would be welcome here... Thanks Ghostieguide 00:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Mount Murchison (Tasmania)
I revisited the article and used some templates to clean things up. I hope. As you probably noted a bot marked an ISBN as invalid and another editor tried to deal with it. Since you say its a published number I used the template to protect it. The bot should no mark it again. --Droll 02:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

State ref catalogue
I got the balingup ref from the state ref catalogue - its well worth a trawl in there if you havent used it for smaller stub like articles it helps keep them from getting tagged by busy body outsiders...if you can find a specific and good ref... SatuSuro 07:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks - can you give me a url for that catalogue? Very much appreciate your help. Callophylla 04:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Email
Back at ya! &mdash;Moondyne 06:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Suburbians
- Changed "Frankstoners" to the correct term of "Frankstonians" - does this remind you of "Winthropians" or am I alone here? :P Orderinchaos78 09:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Certainly seems that way :) My poor head is all Hamersleyed out (there, a new word!) It's up to 38k, 51 refs, and I've yet to finish History and Demographics. (My fingers nearly typed "Demon...") Orderinchaos78 09:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Template:Listed Invalid ISBN
I've started a discussion on Category talk:Articles with invalid ISBNs about this issue. This template was already in use. If you object to it's use it should have been discussed. I just became aware of the discussion on Template talk:Listed Invalid ISBN. It does not seem concussive. Please see my discussion about "hidden text" on the category discussion page. --Droll 09:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You accusation that I have "mucked around" with you is not called for. How could I have "mucked around" you if I was not even aware that there was a problem. What was the other time? --Droll 09:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I've been reading talk pages and I think I understand how you feel. I had the same sort of problem on WikiSource when I worked over there. I'll try to stay off your articles. If I mess up let me know. It will have been unintentional. --Droll 10:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I understand that you want things to be right. If I can help just let me know. --Droll 10:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome and restoring my talk page. RB972 10:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Joy!
Got your note ... let me get up to speed with the most recent issues. Keesiewonder talk 10:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes; I saw you two in dialogue! This edit seems fine. When you and I came up with my first proposal on my sub-user page, 1) I did not yet know about the tag for Amazon #s ; 2) the  did not yet exist. I have updated my sub-user page to reflect these tags.

If the 'published as invalid' ISBN had 10 or 13 digits, I expect it would display as a hyperlink. Since it has only 8, it just appears as normal, un-special text.

The new Listed Invalid ISBN tag is perfect for the 2003 edition of Whitham's book. The number that the publisher used is visible to the WP article reader, so they can jot that down and run to the library of your equivalent of the Chamber of Commerce or whatever to get the info they seek. Using this tag also protects the ISBN number embedded with it from future error tagging by SmackBot.

While I am glad this new tag exists, I have serious concerns about the general public using it. I have found that for say 19 out of 20 cases, when someone else says the number cannot be found, I can find it. Also, there's a subtle meaning to the essence the tag is getting at - If the the publisher really did publish a number that does not have a valid check-digit, then using the tag is appropriate. If someone just wants the world to think they have an ISBN for something when they do not, or if sincere but not yet adequately rigorous checks have been done to identify the proper ISBN or a true alternate catalog number such as an OCLC, then the "listed as invalid ISBNs" will just be the next category of things to clean up here ...

Confused yet? ;-) ... Keesiewonder talk 11:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Re: As always thank you very much for taking the time to explain - the very basic question - is should we change the listings that we have done in the articles to date at all? SatuSuro 11:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I do not think/feel it is necessary to change all of the Whitham articles we have updated to date. I am pretty confident that my first proposal, though not as tidy as what we can code today, will also not trigger error tags from SmackBot. If you, Droll, EdJ or someone else would like me to go back and tidy Whitham up to use the wiki-code behind this, I will. But, I don't think it is necessary. The next time Rich F. runs the process that identifies problematic ISBNs, we'll see what falls out that may be amidst the articles you frequent, and tidy those, if any, then. Sound ok? Keesiewonder talk 11:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey ... Is this: so far I have had to endure bad faith from a number of editors true, or is it only one editor amidst the ISBN crew? I think/feel/hope this is all set now ... but ... not everyone has read this early morning correspondence yet. Keesiewonder talk 12:08, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries. For all I know, it could have been true. Thanks for the clarification! So what are your favored techniques/tools for fighting vandals? I've dabbled in this but don't have a tool that I really like yet (popups, VandalProof, etc. just don't have an efficient interface for my brain). Keesiewonder talk 12:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Lets continue this discussion on Keesiewonder's talk page. --DRoll 12:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandals
Agreed; thanks for your perspective. I have reverted a fair amount myself in my relatively young history here. I have about 800 pages in my watch list. And have placed links to templates somewhere on my user page for easy access when I want to start leaving warnings on "new" "user's" pages. I have yet to identify a real 3RR ... but have been successful placing usernames or IPs at WP:AIV, and having them almost immediately blocked. Of course, the trick, is to have the warnings placed on the user's page first. Keesiewonder talk 13:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * !!! Thanks for keeping an eye out. 75.28.90.78 struck my user page 4 times and my talk page once, but, all while I was sleeping, thank God. Keesiewonder talk 09:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * How'd you figure it was ML related? The only thing I see that connects us is this. Doesn't really matter though; vandalism is vandalism. Keesiewonder talk 10:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Too gentle
G'day old friend. Nice to hear from you. I hope you and your family had a fantastic long weekend. Do you mean to say you think I was too gentle with Adam's friend? I was worried I was being too mean since he is new or at least new under that account. However, I suspect he's been around as an IP or with another account because he seems to know more about WP and the way things work than most people would have after only editing on two days. But I was worried about biting a possible newbie. Take care Satu, Sarah 13:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Late in Perth? You're going soft! It's after 1 am here in the Garden State. Sarah 14:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Uhh...
What was the significants of your messages on my talk page? ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit me  §   Contributions ♣ 01:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Userbox User WPAMH
I added a note to the project page. Cheers. &mdash;Moondyne 01:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe, 2 different things though. Feel free to do so if you think its worthwhile.  I'm not bothered. &mdash;Moondyne 01:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Meaning of life: I wondered if you'd notice! haha.  I'll post a note to the user re the article you mentioned. &mdash;Moondyne 03:05, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Keesie's Userpage
I do not know why the incidents have not been listed. I will request a block of the vandal if no one else gets to it before I do. Usually, other editors are quicker about that sort of thing than I am. I am sure all nonvandals have the best intentions. Everyone just assumed someone else was going to take care of it. 黒雲 01:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I forgot the template to use when requesting a block so you can go ahead and request it. :p Gee, I feel smart. I am patrolling RC as usual. Regarding my sig, it is Japanese kanji meaning 'dark cloud'. You can modify your sig in preferences. 黒雲 02:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC) 

has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Promotional Links
Dear Phaedrus86 & SatuSuro, There clearly are people/merchants out there who log into Wikipedia quite regularly looking for an opportunity to bang in a link to their own commercial website in order to promote/publicise their businesses. Take the page on Roger Kemp, which I typed in. I tagged it to alert me if it was changed. Less than a week later the alert went off, and when I checked a link had been put in to a commercial gallery which has some works by him for sale. A few weeks later the alert goes off again, and when I checked another link has been put in, this time to an art auctioneer's website. As I say, clearly some people are periodically checking, then slipping in a link if they see a chance to promote their business - it runs right through many of the entries/pages listing Australian artists. Of course you can't chech every link all the time. I'd suggest that you develop an re-editing schedule, and use it to periodically check the entries in certain categories/disciplines to clean out any dodgy links. Dr Christopher Heathcote 03:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Note to self - seen on a checkuser clerks talk page - Editors are welcome to contribute, but are discouraged from writing about themselves or groups they're involved with (see WP:AUTO and WP:COI), unless they can do so while citing reliable sources and can satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines while doing so. SatuSuro 04:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Henri'
Yeah, but I'd prefer HIM to do it! No offence taken BTW. &mdash;Moondyne 05:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * As I said, have a look at WT:WPSPAM. The guys there deserve big medals, because unlike the very reasonable editor above, most spam vandals adding commercial links will fight you every step of the way and have lots of tricks up theor sleeves.  Fortunately the spam police seem to keep on top of it, else we'd be drowning. &mdash;Moondyne 05:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ridge: Agree. &mdash;Moondyne 05:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalising WP
I really wonder whether the australian project needs a 'spokesperson' media liason sort of talking head to give someone at the jays a word to get off on something else other than vandalising wikipedia?

TBH I really doubt they would take much notice. It would probably only encourage them. I would advise to say nothing, and they will eventually get tired of it and talk about something else. And because it's so high-profile, it's hardly going to be a big problem (in terms of inaccurate info surviving for a long time). cheers, pfctdayelise (talk) 06:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

flack jacket and armoured backup
Where can I get them, I couldn't find them on WP:TOOLS! Haha - thanks for the advice. I'm more worried about these guys than some trolls upset I reverted their vandalism though. That was one of their pastors that threatened me on my talk page you may have noticed. They're not too happy to have their secrets on wikipedia to say the least ;) RB972 08:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Meeka
Evenin'. You seem to know a bit about railways. Can you do anything to confirm/deny/address the friendly comment at Talk:Meekatharra, Western Australia? Hesperian 11:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

J S Battye Library
Yeah some refs are always better than none. Only really noticed the article as I was looking for directions to it. Unfortunately I seem to know most cities I've lived in better by their pubs that their libraries. Hence the coords when I did find the location elsewhere. Couldn't help the refs template reflex when I was there.... SeanMack 13:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

:)
Oh dear... gotta love them politics and people getting all territorial. Meanwhile, I'm presently in a happy mood - I VERY unexpectedly found a reference to a key file I've seen in gazette entries on the SRO's catalogue. As you need to look directly for the file by number, and the system is inconsistent, it was a lucky fluke. I also found a heap of nomenclature resources that may be useful for other Perth and WA articles - will see what quality they are tomorrow I guess. I'm going to start with Wanneroo - I've found three suburbs in Wanneroo that were created then disappeared, with no mention *anywhere* other than a meaningless "Miscellaneous Plan" reference. Orderinchaos78 14:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The four-fingered typist has attacked your email box once again Orderinchaos78 14:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

That is
what I thought. And what they said to me. The national trust are the same. Do 'they' own the rights to version and not original. Bit of a crap attitude for a library. There would be no expenses incurred. I give up and do something else. I just keep getting tantilised. Clicking O78 request line. Fred 14:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

While we're doing "blue sky" thinking about Wikipedia
Time zone coverage would certainly be nice, but my personal fantasy is to have assigned editors for every article - at least two for minor articles, and four or so for major ones, who would be responsible for quality assurance, with "backup" editors by subject areas who are on call. There are significant obstacles to this, of course: Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy; WP:OWN, and the fact that there are a surprisingly (to me, at least) relatively few editors who are even marginally active: in October 2006, for example, there were only 43,000 editors who edited five times or more.

So perhaps a fair summary is that until the ratio of (active) editors to articles improves (if ever), Wikipedia is pretty much dependent on the watchlists of very active editors (the 4000+ with 100 or more edits per month) and the kindness of strangers (the millions of people who read Wikipedia articles and remove vandalism) to prevent this place from descending into chaos (which has been repeatedly predicted, and fortunately seems no closer at hand). -- John Broughton (☎☎) 14:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)